Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 Hi Surya, If I may make a suggestion - try reading PV Narasimha Rao's "Vedic Astrology - An Integrated Approach." Solid explanations of Parasara and Jaimini principles with detailed logical analysis to tie it all together. Like you, I prefer to understand the principles and then apply them, rather than try to memorize hundreds of combinations without using any intelligence to decipher the whys. PVR is a software engineer by trade, and I think you'll enjoy his analytical style. I also enjoy his Guru, Sanjay Rath's style, especially the various examples that he uses to illustrative subtle points. Sincerely, Venkatarama , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Hey Inder ... > > I fully agree with you ... but what are these basic > principles is my question ... and confusion .. and > whose set of principles are the ones that we should > follow??? is it like a good chef a good astrologer > should have his own pointers to flavors based on > guidelines of recepies?? the trouble is then it > becomes a local recipie and loses universal appeal !! > > > Just one more thing .. I am not sure that 2 babies are > born every minute ... in fact I think it;s very rare > that two kids (unless twins) are born in the same > minute ... I think they somehow calculate the number > of babies born based on population rise and divide it > by the number of minutes in a selected time frame !! > > Otherwise we should have at least 2 bill gates 2 > saddams etc (incidentally are there really 2 saddams > ) > > > I am actually disheartened Inder, because to me it';s > too damn irritating to find books listing 100's of > yogas .. I would rather find a set of reliable > principles to predict .. I am making my own list of > how it should go .. any inputs from u would be very > very deeply appreciated !! > > > > > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > My views on this issue are like this: > > I feel that astrological forecasts is not atall > > concerned with > > stastical analysis, where number of parameters are > > not so vast as in > > astrology. > > Astrological analysis is more of question of > > accurate analysis based > > on certain principles. > > This analysis is very very complex and we are not > > able to go to > > uniqueness of each chart. > > Even accurate chart preparation at minute level is > > not possible. Say > > for example at any point of time in the city of > > Bangalore two babies > > are born at a distance of 10 km apart from each > > other , they should > > have separate charts at minute level but we can have > > only one same > > chart only for both of them. > > Yogas etc are only simplification of complex > > situation to serve some > > perposes . > > Inder > > -- In , surya > > vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > Thanks for your valuable input. For a few days I > > did > > > spend time in disillusionment over my bad memory > > and > > > so much to learn syndrome ... > > > > > > It also depressed me to think that astrology is > > > probably just like statistics where you collect > > past > > > data to prove future possibilities .. and just > > like > > > every branch that depends on statistics this might > > > make astrology prone to more errors than hits !! > > > > > > What also distresses me is this .. for a brief > > period > > > of time I had taken the route of exploring the > > > different bhavas and what each planet might > > represent > > > in them .. this let me to astrology which was more > > > psychological than predicting future ... and > > although > > > both are interrelated I do believe its a lot of > > hard > > > work to put them both in prespective ... > > > > > > Thank you again, > > > Surya. > > > > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > Testing of each and every rule and factor and > > > > studying astrology > > > > using the scientific method is a very ambitious > > > > pursuit which will > > > > take huge amounts of human and other resources > > and a > > > > lot of time. > > > > This cannot be done unless one is independently > > > > wealthy or has a > > > > large team of coworkers. Obviously, I do not > > think > > > > that approach is > > > > possible for most of us, given our limitations. > > I do > > > > insist though > > > > that people do not casually and callously make > > > > statements which seem > > > > to indicate that a given factor or combination > > is > > > > rigorously tested > > > > when it is clearly not so. Let us say someone > > sees a > > > > combination in > > > > a few charts and then convinced of its > > > > infalliability makes a strong > > > > statement to that effect. This can be > > misleading, > > > > can it not? Adding > > > > more cases would invariably bring forth some > > cases > > > > which will fail > > > > on the kasauti (test bench) and the rule would > > have > > > > to be modified > > > > and thus knowledge would grow and evolve. > > Hopefully, > > > > in my > > > > statements I have been careful in not giving the > > > > impression that any > > > > combination I am describing or discussing has a > > > > probability attached > > > > to it and that is not '1'. > > > > > > > > When a statement about a certain combination is > > made > > > > I ask for > > > > illustrations not to challenge such a statement > > but > > > > out of curiosity > > > > and for my own practical learning. Invariably, > > or in > > > > a very very > > > > large number of cases, my requests have met with > > > > silence or too few > > > > examples that proved not to be clean examples > > > > (alternate > > > > explanations worked) -- so I continue to keep > > > > asking. Due to a > > > > variety of reasons, some touched upon earlier, a > > > > large very large > > > > body of astrology is empirical > > (observation-based) > > > > and resplendent > > > > with anecdotal evidence which is not very well > > > > documented and > > > > essentially represents a lost opportunity. We > > all > > > > have been guilty > > > > of that to some extent at some time in our life. > > > > > > > > Very early on in my training, I had become quite > > > > disillusioned by a > > > > large number of yogas because they did not work > > too > > > > well. Instead of > > > > using those as a mainstay, I have always used > > the > > > > many principles > > > > that are given in texts readily available but > > > > waiting to be explored > > > > widely. In contrast to my early days, these days > > > > software allows one > > > > to quickly inventory many yogas in charts and > > though > > > > not very useful > > > > for researching across several charts, such > > software > > > > are a great > > > > tool for examining the yogas and getting > > > > disillusioned sooner, > > > > rather than the painstaking manner that someone > > like > > > > me had to go > > > > through in my early jyotish days. > > > > > > > > Oh and I do not believe any one factor, > > including > > > > one's nakshatra > > > > necessarily defines one's central theme ;-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , surya > > > > vishnubhotla > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan, > > > > > > > > > > For sometime I have been wanting to ask you > > ... > > > > > > > > > > From what I could gather from your approach (I > > do > > > > > believe that imitation is the best way of > > learning > > > > > until you develop the ability to be original - > > I > > > > would > > > > > like to learn by imitation right now) .. you > > seem > > > > to > > > > > take a rule, test it with hazar cases and then > > > > accept > > > > > the validity of the statement ... > > > > > > > > > > While I think this is the correct approach to > > any > > > > > field .. what happens when you lay down a set > > of > > > > > principles as a culmination of all your > > learning > > > > and > > > > > someone else wants to reinvent the rules > > ignoring > > > > what > > > > > you have learnt??? How do you mark a balance > > > > between > > > > > accepting something and testing out the same?? > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 I will surely try this out (I hope this is widely available?) Thanks for your input ! --- venkatarama_sastry <venkatarama_sastry wrote: > Hi Surya, > > If I may make a suggestion - try reading PV > Narasimha Rao's "Vedic > Astrology - An Integrated Approach." Solid > explanations of Parasara > and Jaimini principles with detailed logical > analysis to tie it all > together. Like you, I prefer to understand the > principles and then > apply them, rather than try to memorize hundreds of > combinations > without using any intelligence to decipher the whys. > PVR is a > software engineer by trade, and I think you'll enjoy > his analytical > style. I also enjoy his Guru, Sanjay Rath's style, > especially the > various examples that he uses to illustrative subtle > points. > > Sincerely, > Venkatarama > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Hey Inder ... > > > > I fully agree with you ... but what are these > basic > > principles is my question ... and confusion .. and > > whose set of principles are the ones that we > should > > follow??? is it like a good chef a good astrologer > > should have his own pointers to flavors based on > > guidelines of recepies?? the trouble is then it > > becomes a local recipie and loses universal appeal > !! > > > > > > Just one more thing .. I am not sure that 2 babies > are > > born every minute ... in fact I think it;s very > rare > > that two kids (unless twins) are born in the same > > minute ... I think they somehow calculate the > number > > of babies born based on population rise and divide > it > > by the number of minutes in a selected time frame > !! > > > > Otherwise we should have at least 2 bill gates 2 > > saddams etc (incidentally are there really 2 > saddams > > ) > > > > > > I am actually disheartened Inder, because to me > it';s > > too damn irritating to find books listing 100's of > > yogas .. I would rather find a set of reliable > > principles to predict .. I am making my own list > of > > how it should go .. any inputs from u would be > very > > very deeply appreciated !! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > > My views on this issue are like this: > > > I feel that astrological forecasts is not atall > > > concerned with > > > stastical analysis, where number of parameters > are > > > not so vast as in > > > astrology. > > > Astrological analysis is more of question of > > > accurate analysis based > > > on certain principles. > > > This analysis is very very complex and we are > not > > > able to go to > > > uniqueness of each chart. > > > Even accurate chart preparation at minute level > is > > > not possible. Say > > > for example at any point of time in the city of > > > Bangalore two babies > > > are born at a distance of 10 km apart from each > > > other , they should > > > have separate charts at minute level but we can > have > > > only one same > > > chart only for both of them. > > > Yogas etc are only simplification of complex > > > situation to serve some > > > perposes . > > > Inder > > > -- In , surya > > > vishnubhotla > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your valuable input. For a few days > I > > > did > > > > spend time in disillusionment over my bad > memory > > > and > > > > so much to learn syndrome ... > > > > > > > > It also depressed me to think that astrology > is > > > > probably just like statistics where you > collect > > > past > > > > data to prove future possibilities .. and just > > > like > > > > every branch that depends on statistics this > might > > > > make astrology prone to more errors than hits > !! > > > > > > > > What also distresses me is this .. for a brief > > > period > > > > of time I had taken the route of exploring the > > > > different bhavas and what each planet might > > > represent > > > > in them .. this let me to astrology which was > more > > > > psychological than predicting future ... and > > > although > > > > both are interrelated I do believe its a lot > of > > > hard > > > > work to put them both in prespective ... > > > > > > > > Thank you again, > > > > Surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Testing of each and every rule and factor > and > > > > > studying astrology > > > > > using the scientific method is a very > ambitious > > > > > pursuit which will > > > > > take huge amounts of human and other > resources > > > and a > > > > > lot of time. > > > > > This cannot be done unless one is > independently > > > > > wealthy or has a > > > > > large team of coworkers. Obviously, I do not > > > think > > > > > that approach is > > > > > possible for most of us, given our > limitations. > > > I do > > > > > insist though > > > > > that people do not casually and callously > make > > > > > statements which seem > > > > > to indicate that a given factor or > combination > > > is > > > > > rigorously tested > > > > > when it is clearly not so. Let us say > someone > > > sees a > > > > > combination in > > > > > a few charts and then convinced of its > > > > > infalliability makes a strong > > > > > statement to that effect. This can be > > > misleading, > > > > > can it not? Adding > > > > > more cases would invariably bring forth some > > > cases > > > > > which will fail > > > > > on the kasauti (test bench) and the rule > would > > > have > > > > > to be modified > > > > > and thus knowledge would grow and evolve. > > > Hopefully, > > > > > in my > > > > > statements I have been careful in not giving > the > > > > > impression that any > > > > > combination I am describing or discussing > has a > > > > > probability attached > > > > > to it and that is not '1'. > === message truncated === Mail is new and improved - Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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