Guest guest Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Dear all, You can read more about these misconceptions and scary myths from http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm Regards Pandit S.P.Tata - "Hasmukhrai Mehta" <astroclinik <> Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:02 AM Re: Re: THE WORST FORM OF KALA SARPA,, HELP PLEASE... > Dear Ash, > > I did not mean to negate the existence of "Kalsarpa Yoga" and its results.The purpose of my posting was to know the source or the astrologer who discovered this yoga. Even after all we know about it, my query still remains unanswered. > > Good luck. > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Sriganeshh, Hasmukhrai and list members, > > The source might not be known but think about the application. > When planets all 7 planets are on one side of the chart then the SAV > distribution might pan out in such a way that one side of the chart > has contiguous houses with > 28 bindus or benefic and othe other side > will have less than 28 bindus or altest a serise of contigious houses > with more points and a seriese with less than 28. > > In that case when Malefics transit over such houses the results will > be prolonged till it hits say a house with more points. > So such charts are special and commonsense dictates that when a > person is faced with prolonged periods of unhappiness however > whichever way you may define happiness, one can get spiritual and may > look for hope from the divine. > > Just because its not been given in standard texts it does not mean > that such a thing may not exist. Even a great classic like BPHS is > not complete and there are chapters missing. > > Yes there can be that some money hungry or faud's in the garb of > astrologers may use such fear causing names or celesital phenemons > to instill fear in a person and try to make money off such people. > Similar is the case with Sade-Sati or Kuja Dosha etc. Yes such > things do exists but not necessarily bad in all cases. > > Just my 2 cents. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , "sriganeshh" > <sriganeshh> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > source is not known...but will try to post whenever i come > > across...but the case on thread....does not have kalasarpa yoga. > > Basically kalasarpa or kalaamrit yoga means all the planets are > > placed in between the rahu and ketu or ketu and rahu > > respectively...My personal view is one need not worry about > kalasarpa > > yoga as it is not bad as it made out to be...so many successful > > people have kalasarpa yoga on their chart....only concerned person > > have to be very careful during the dasa period (maha/antar) of > either > > of sarpa planets. This is in fact gives one success after much > > effort..that is all... > > > > One more personal view is almost all planets are good only and no > > planet is bad as such...it all depends on your past karma...it > plays. > > If one understands it...does follow his customs and practices to > the > > core...none of the planets harm one...like brahmins do trikala > > sandhya vandhanam....which protects them from all planets. > > > > may be my view is based on overall...consideration...please dont > > panic and get tension. > > > > sriganeshh > > > > , Hasmukhrai Mehta > > <astroclinik> wrote: > > > Hi members, > > > > > > Not a single classical authority including Varah Mihir, > Parashara, > > Vaidyanatha, Mantreshwar, Kallyana Verma and Bhattotpala has > > mentioned this "Kalasarpa Yoga" in his works. Will somebody give > the > > source of this yoga ? > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > mssodhi_in <mssodhi_in> wrote: > > > Sir, I am a novice, I would say nobody for this field but one > thing > > I > > > can say for sure panic (posting repeatedly at short intervals) > does > > > not bring any good effects also I feel that you should thank for > > what > > > you have, as many in this world are even deprived of that,lastly > > > think about the stars under which lord > > > ShriKrishna was born with parents in jail, mamma thirsty for his > > > blood and so on. > > > Have faith there are lot of learned people here and I am sure > some > > > will definitely guide. > > > Regards. > > > Manjeet. > > > > i have the worst form of kala- sarpa dosha with all planets > > between > > > > rahu in ninth to ketu in third. > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ascendent or First House is Scorpio > > > > The Sign of my Second House is Sagittarius > > > > The Sign of my Third House is Capricorn > > > > The Sign of my Forth House is Aquarius > > > > The Sign of my Fifth House is Pisces > > > > The Sign of my Sixth House is Aries > > > > The Sign of my Seventh House is Taurus > > > > The Sign of my Eighth House is Gemini > > > > The Sign of my Ninth House is Cancer > > > > The Sign of my Tenth House is Leo > > > > The Sign of my Eleventh House is Virgo > > > > The Sign of my Twelfth House is Libra > > > > > > > > Sun, Uranus is/are located in my First House. > > > > Neptune, Venus is/are located in my Second House. > > > > Ketu is/are located in my Third House. > > > > Rahu is/are located in my Ninth House. > > > > Mars is/are located in my Tenth House. > > > > Saturn is/are located in my Eleventh House. > > > > Jupiter, Mercury, Moon, Pluto is/are located in my Twelfth > House. > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL THE EFFECTS OD SUCH A HOROSCOPE > > > > AND REMEDY TOO. > > > > THANKS A LOT. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Hello Everyone, Nice link given by Tata ji maybe Ash should have a look at the section for Kal Sarpa Yoga. The section clearly states Tata ji`s experience also "From practical point of view this is not found to be a hindrance to progress. I have the horoscopes of a lot of people who have this so called dosha and are doing quite well in life. One of the most notable exceptions is the horoscope of Jawaharlal Nehru, the late prime minister of India. If someone can rise to that level with kalasarpa yoga, then its not a bad one really!!" Tata ji a small question for you if you dont mind. As stated by Ash (in his analysis based on Ashtakavarga system "such charts are special and commonsense dictates that when a person is faced with prolonged periods of unhappiness, one can get spiritual and may look for hope from the divine") is it ascertain that due to KS yoga analysis(based on Ashtakavarga system) all people will have prolonged periods of unhappiness? P.S- Ash i myself dont deny the existense but the experience is more profound analysis. Gaurav , <sptata@a...> wrote: > Dear all, > You can read more about these misconceptions and scary myths from > http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm > Regards > Pandit S.P.Tata > - > "Hasmukhrai Mehta" <astroclinik> > <> > Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:02 AM > Re: Re: THE WORST FORM OF KALA SARPA,, HELP PLEASE... > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > I did not mean to negate the existence of "Kalsarpa Yoga" and its > results.The purpose of my posting was to know the source or the astrologer > who discovered this yoga. Even after all we know about it, my query still > remains unanswered. > > > > Good luck. > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > Dear Sriganeshh, Hasmukhrai and list members, > > > > The source might not be known but think about the application. > > When planets all 7 planets are on one side of the chart then the SAV > > distribution might pan out in such a way that one side of the chart > > has contiguous houses with > 28 bindus or benefic and othe other side > > will have less than 28 bindus or altest a serise of contigious houses > > with more points and a seriese with less than 28. > > > > In that case when Malefics transit over such houses the results will > > be prolonged till it hits say a house with more points. > > So such charts are special and commonsense dictates that when a > > person is faced with prolonged periods of unhappiness however > > whichever way you may define happiness, one can get spiritual and may > > look for hope from the divine. > > > > Just because its not been given in standard texts it does not mean > > that such a thing may not exist. Even a great classic like BPHS is > > not complete and there are chapters missing. > > > > Yes there can be that some money hungry or faud's in the garb of > > astrologers may use such fear causing names or celesital phenemons > > to instill fear in a person and try to make money off such people. > > Similar is the case with Sade-Sati or Kuja Dosha etc. Yes such > > things do exists but not necessarily bad in all cases. > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , "sriganeshh" > > <sriganeshh> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > source is not known...but will try to post whenever i come > > > across...but the case on thread....does not have kalasarpa yoga. > > > Basically kalasarpa or kalaamrit yoga means all the planets are > > > placed in between the rahu and ketu or ketu and rahu > > > respectively...My personal view is one need not worry about > > kalasarpa > > > yoga as it is not bad as it made out to be...so many successful > > > people have kalasarpa yoga on their chart....only concerned person > > > have to be very careful during the dasa period (maha/antar) of > > either > > > of sarpa planets. This is in fact gives one success after much > > > effort..that is all... > > > > > > One more personal view is almost all planets are good only and no > > > planet is bad as such...it all depends on your past karma...it > > plays. > > > If one understands it...does follow his customs and practices to > > the > > > core...none of the planets harm one...like brahmins do trikala > > > sandhya vandhanam....which protects them from all planets. > > > > > > may be my view is based on overall...consideration...please dont > > > panic and get tension. > > > > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > , Hasmukhrai Mehta > > > <astroclinik> wrote: > > > > Hi members, > > > > > > > > Not a single classical authority including Varah Mihir, > > Parashara, > > > Vaidyanatha, Mantreshwar, Kallyana Verma and Bhattotpala has > > > mentioned this "Kalasarpa Yoga" in his works. Will somebody give > > the > > > source of this yoga ? > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > mssodhi_in <mssodhi_in> wrote: > > > > Sir, I am a novice, I would say nobody for this field but one > > thing > > > I > > > > can say for sure panic (posting repeatedly at short intervals) > > does > > > > not bring any good effects also I feel that you should thank for > > > what > > > > you have, as many in this world are even deprived of that,lastly > > > > think about the stars under which lord > > > > ShriKrishna was born with parents in jail, mamma thirsty for his > > > > blood and so on. > > > > Have faith there are lot of learned people here and I am sure > > some > > > > will definitely guide. > > > > Regards. > > > > Manjeet. > > > > > i have the worst form of kala- sarpa dosha with all planets > > > between > > > > > rahu in ninth to ketu in third. > > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ascendent or First House is Scorpio > > > > > The Sign of my Second House is Sagittarius > > > > > The Sign of my Third House is Capricorn > > > > > The Sign of my Forth House is Aquarius > > > > > The Sign of my Fifth House is Pisces > > > > > The Sign of my Sixth House is Aries > > > > > The Sign of my Seventh House is Taurus > > > > > The Sign of my Eighth House is Gemini > > > > > The Sign of my Ninth House is Cancer > > > > > The Sign of my Tenth House is Leo > > > > > The Sign of my Eleventh House is Virgo > > > > > The Sign of my Twelfth House is Libra > > > > > > > > > > Sun, Uranus is/are located in my First House. > > > > > Neptune, Venus is/are located in my Second House. > > > > > Ketu is/are located in my Third House. > > > > > Rahu is/are located in my Ninth House. > > > > > Mars is/are located in my Tenth House. > > > > > Saturn is/are located in my Eleventh House. > > > > > Jupiter, Mercury, Moon, Pluto is/are located in my Twelfth > > House. > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL THE EFFECTS OD SUCH A HOROSCOPE > > > > > AND REMEDY TOO. > > > > > THANKS A LOT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ Dear List Members, I don't know from where KSY originated or in which ancient scripture it is given. It is not mentioned in any of the standard texts. But KSY and KAY do exist and these are not common. If one is not aware of the exceptions, then you can find more than 30% of the population in KSY / KAY. I will list out some exceptions. 1) If any of node (Rahu / Ketu) conjoins any other planet, that conjoining planet will break KSY / KAY. 2) If any planet other than Rahu / Ketu is present in 1st or 7th house of the chart, the KSY / KAY will break. Regards, Neeraj Gupta --- sptata wrote: > Dear all, > You can read more about these misconceptions and > scary myths from > http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm > Regards > Pandit S.P.Tata > - > "Hasmukhrai Mehta" <astroclinik > <> > Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:02 AM > Re: Re: THE WORST FORM OF KALA SARPA,, > HELP PLEASE... > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > I did not mean to negate the existence of > "Kalsarpa Yoga" and its > results.The purpose of my posting was to know the > source or the astrologer > who discovered this yoga. Even after all we know > about it, my query still > remains unanswered. > > > > Good luck. > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Sriganeshh, Hasmukhrai and list members, > > > > The source might not be known but think about the > application. > > When planets all 7 planets are on one side of the > chart then the SAV > > distribution might pan out in such a way that one > side of the chart > > has contiguous houses with > 28 bindus or benefic > and othe other side > > will have less than 28 bindus or altest a serise > of contigious houses > > with more points and a seriese with less than 28. > > > > In that case when Malefics transit over such > houses the results will > > be prolonged till it hits say a house with more > points. > > So such charts are special and commonsense > dictates that when a > > person is faced with prolonged periods of > unhappiness however > > whichever way you may define happiness, one can > get spiritual and may > > look for hope from the divine. > > > > Just because its not been given in standard texts > it does not mean > > that such a thing may not exist. Even a great > classic like BPHS is > > not complete and there are chapters missing. > > > > Yes there can be that some money hungry or faud's > in the garb of > > astrologers may use such fear causing names or > celesital phenemons > > to instill fear in a person and try to make money > off such people. > > Similar is the case with Sade-Sati or Kuja Dosha > etc. Yes such > > things do exists but not necessarily bad in all > cases. > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , > "sriganeshh" > > <sriganeshh> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > source is not known...but will try to post > whenever i come > > > across...but the case on thread....does not have > kalasarpa yoga. > > > Basically kalasarpa or kalaamrit yoga means all > the planets are > > > placed in between the rahu and ketu or ketu and > rahu > > > respectively...My personal view is one need not > worry about > > kalasarpa > > > yoga as it is not bad as it made out to be...so > many successful > > > people have kalasarpa yoga on their > chart....only concerned person > > > have to be very careful during the dasa period > (maha/antar) of > > either > > > of sarpa planets. This is in fact gives one > success after much > > > effort..that is all... > > > > > > One more personal view is almost all planets are > good only and no > > > planet is bad as such...it all depends on your > past karma...it > > plays. > > > If one understands it...does follow his customs > and practices to > > the > > > core...none of the planets harm one...like > brahmins do trikala > > > sandhya vandhanam....which protects them from > all planets. > > > > > > may be my view is based on > overall...consideration...please dont > > > panic and get tension. > > > > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > , > Hasmukhrai Mehta > > > <astroclinik> wrote: > > > > Hi members, > > > > > > > > Not a single classical authority including > Varah Mihir, > > Parashara, > > > Vaidyanatha, Mantreshwar, Kallyana Verma and > Bhattotpala has > > > mentioned this "Kalasarpa Yoga" in his works. > Will somebody give > > the > > > source of this yoga ? > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > mssodhi_in <mssodhi_in> wrote: > > > > Sir, I am a novice, I would say nobody for > this field but one > > thing > > > I > > > > can say for sure panic (posting repeatedly at > short intervals) > > does > > > > not bring any good effects also I feel that > you should thank for > > > what > > > > you have, as many in this world are even > deprived of that,lastly > > > > think about the stars under which lord > > > > ShriKrishna was born with parents in jail, > mamma thirsty for his > > > > blood and so on. > > > > Have faith there are lot of learned people > here and I am sure > > some > > > > will definitely guide. > > > > Regards. > > > > Manjeet. > > > > > i have the worst form of kala- sarpa dosha > with all planets > > > between > > > > > rahu in ninth to ketu in third. > > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ascendent or First House is > Scorpio > > > > > The Sign of my Second House is Sagittarius > > > > > The Sign of my Third House is Capricorn > > > > > The Sign of my Forth House is Aquarius > > > > > The Sign of my Fifth House is Pisces > > > > > The Sign of my Sixth House is Aries > > > > > The Sign of my Seventh House is Taurus > > > > > The Sign of my Eighth House is Gemini > > > > > The Sign of my Ninth House is Cancer > > > > > The Sign of my Tenth House is Leo > > > > > The Sign of my Eleventh House is Virgo > > > > > The Sign of my Twelfth House is Libra > > > > > > > > > > Sun, Uranus is/are located in my First > House. > > > > > Neptune, Venus is/are located in my Second > House. > > > > > Ketu is/are located in my Third House. > > > > > Rahu is/are located in my Ninth House. > > > > > Mars is/are located in my Tenth House. > > > > > Saturn is/are located in my Eleventh House. > > > > > Jupiter, Mercury, Moon, Pluto is/are located > in my Twelfth > > House. > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL THE EFFECTS OD SUCH A HOROSCOPE > > > > > AND REMEDY TOO. > === message truncated === ===== http://www.neerajgupta.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ Dear List Members, I don't know from where KSY originated or in which ancient scripture it is given. It is not mentioned in any of the standard texts. But KSY and KAY do exist and these are not common. If one is not aware of the exceptions, then you can find more than 30% of the population in KSY / KAY. I will list out some exceptions. 1) If any of node (Rahu / Ketu) conjoins any other planet, that conjoining planet will break KSY / KAY. 2) If any planet other than Rahu / Ketu is present in 1st or 7th house of the chart, the KSY / KAY will break. Regards, Neeraj Gupta --- sptata wrote: > Dear all, > You can read more about these misconceptions and > scary myths from > http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm > Regards > Pandit S.P.Tata > - > "Hasmukhrai Mehta" <astroclinik > <> > Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:02 AM > Re: Re: THE WORST FORM OF KALA SARPA,, > HELP PLEASE... > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > I did not mean to negate the existence of > "Kalsarpa Yoga" and its > results.The purpose of my posting was to know the > source or the astrologer > who discovered this yoga. Even after all we know > about it, my query still > remains unanswered. > > > > Good luck. > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Sriganeshh, Hasmukhrai and list members, > > > > The source might not be known but think about the > application. > > When planets all 7 planets are on one side of the > chart then the SAV > > distribution might pan out in such a way that one > side of the chart > > has contiguous houses with > 28 bindus or benefic > and othe other side > > will have less than 28 bindus or altest a serise > of contigious houses > > with more points and a seriese with less than 28. > > > > In that case when Malefics transit over such > houses the results will > > be prolonged till it hits say a house with more > points. > > So such charts are special and commonsense > dictates that when a > > person is faced with prolonged periods of > unhappiness however > > whichever way you may define happiness, one can > get spiritual and may > > look for hope from the divine. > > > > Just because its not been given in standard texts > it does not mean > > that such a thing may not exist. Even a great > classic like BPHS is > > not complete and there are chapters missing. > > > > Yes there can be that some money hungry or faud's > in the garb of > > astrologers may use such fear causing names or > celesital phenemons > > to instill fear in a person and try to make money > off such people. > > Similar is the case with Sade-Sati or Kuja Dosha > etc. Yes such > > things do exists but not necessarily bad in all > cases. > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , > "sriganeshh" > > <sriganeshh> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > source is not known...but will try to post > whenever i come > > > across...but the case on thread....does not have > kalasarpa yoga. > > > Basically kalasarpa or kalaamrit yoga means all > the planets are > > > placed in between the rahu and ketu or ketu and > rahu > > > respectively...My personal view is one need not > worry about > > kalasarpa > > > yoga as it is not bad as it made out to be...so > many successful > > > people have kalasarpa yoga on their > chart....only concerned person > > > have to be very careful during the dasa period > (maha/antar) of > > either > > > of sarpa planets. This is in fact gives one > success after much > > > effort..that is all... > > > > > > One more personal view is almost all planets are > good only and no > > > planet is bad as such...it all depends on your > past karma...it > > plays. > > > If one understands it...does follow his customs > and practices to > > the > > > core...none of the planets harm one...like > brahmins do trikala > > > sandhya vandhanam....which protects them from > all planets. > > > > > > may be my view is based on > overall...consideration...please dont > > > panic and get tension. > > > > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > , > Hasmukhrai Mehta > > > <astroclinik> wrote: > > > > Hi members, > > > > > > > > Not a single classical authority including > Varah Mihir, > > Parashara, > > > Vaidyanatha, Mantreshwar, Kallyana Verma and > Bhattotpala has > > > mentioned this "Kalasarpa Yoga" in his works. > Will somebody give > > the > > > source of this yoga ? > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > mssodhi_in <mssodhi_in> wrote: > > > > Sir, I am a novice, I would say nobody for > this field but one > > thing > > > I > > > > can say for sure panic (posting repeatedly at > short intervals) > > does > > > > not bring any good effects also I feel that > you should thank for > > > what > > > > you have, as many in this world are even > deprived of that,lastly > > > > think about the stars under which lord > > > > ShriKrishna was born with parents in jail, > mamma thirsty for his > > > > blood and so on. > > > > Have faith there are lot of learned people > here and I am sure > > some > > > > will definitely guide. > > > > Regards. > > > > Manjeet. > > > > > i have the worst form of kala- sarpa dosha > with all planets > > > between > > > > > rahu in ninth to ketu in third. > > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ascendent or First House is > Scorpio > > > > > The Sign of my Second House is Sagittarius > > > > > The Sign of my Third House is Capricorn > > > > > The Sign of my Forth House is Aquarius > > > > > The Sign of my Fifth House is Pisces > > > > > The Sign of my Sixth House is Aries > > > > > The Sign of my Seventh House is Taurus > > > > > The Sign of my Eighth House is Gemini > > > > > The Sign of my Ninth House is Cancer > > > > > The Sign of my Tenth House is Leo > > > > > The Sign of my Eleventh House is Virgo > > > > > The Sign of my Twelfth House is Libra > > > > > > > > > > Sun, Uranus is/are located in my First > House. > > > > > Neptune, Venus is/are located in my Second > House. > > > > > Ketu is/are located in my Third House. > > > > > Rahu is/are located in my Ninth House. > > > > > Mars is/are located in my Tenth House. > > > > > Saturn is/are located in my Eleventh House. > > > > > Jupiter, Mercury, Moon, Pluto is/are located > in my Twelfth > > House. > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL THE EFFECTS OD SUCH A HOROSCOPE > > > > > AND REMEDY TOO. > === message truncated === ===== http://www.neerajgupta.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Namashkar bandhugan, Not a classic but Shri Rattanlal's book on nadi techniques has some interesting information on KSY and its link to sarthaka and vyartha jeevan yogas-alongwith other intersting info and hints on nakshatras in jyotish. Like most books of this kind, one needs a bit of studying and hunting around through the book to really juice it, but being a tiny pocket-book type publication, that is doable over a couple of evenings. Rohiniranjan , Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > Dear List Members, > > I don't know from where KSY originated or in which > ancient scripture it is given. It is not mentioned in > any of the standard texts. But KSY and KAY do exist > and these are not common. If one is not aware of the > exceptions, then you can find more than 30% of the > population in KSY / KAY. > > I will list out some exceptions. > > 1) If any of node (Rahu / Ketu) conjoins any other > planet, that conjoining planet will break KSY / KAY. > > 2) If any planet other than Rahu / Ketu is present in > 1st or 7th house of the chart, the KSY / KAY will > break. > > Regards, > > Neeraj Gupta > > --- sptata@a... wrote: > > Dear all, > > You can read more about these misconceptions and > > scary myths from > > http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm > > Regards > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > - > > "Hasmukhrai Mehta" <astroclinik> > > <> > > Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:02 AM > > Re: Re: THE WORST FORM OF KALA SARPA,, > > HELP PLEASE... > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I did not mean to negate the existence of > > "Kalsarpa Yoga" and its > > results.The purpose of my posting was to know the > > source or the astrologer > > who discovered this yoga. Even after all we know > > about it, my query still > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Sriganeshh, Hasmukhrai and list members, > > > > > > The source might not be known but think about the > > application. > > > When planets all 7 planets are on one side of the > > chart then the SAV > > > distribution might pan out in such a way that one > > side of the chart > > > has contiguous houses with > 28 bindus or benefic > > and othe other side > > > will have less than 28 bindus or altest a serise > > of contigious houses > > > with more points and a seriese with less than 28. > > > > > > In that case when Malefics transit over such > > houses the results will > > > be prolonged till it hits say a house with more > > points. > > > So such charts are special and commonsense > > dictates that when a > > > person is faced with prolonged periods of > > unhappiness however > > > whichever way you may define happiness, one can > > get spiritual and may > > > look for hope from the divine. > > > > > > Just because its not been given in standard texts > > it does not mean > > > that such a thing may not exist. Even a great > > classic like BPHS is > > > not complete and there are chapters missing. > > > > > > Yes there can be that some money hungry or faud's > > in the garb of > > > astrologers may use such fear causing names or > > celesital phenemons > > > to instill fear in a person and try to make money > > off such people. > > > Similar is the case with Sade-Sati or Kuja Dosha > > etc. Yes such > > > things do exists but not necessarily bad in all > > cases. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , > > "sriganeshh" > > > <sriganeshh> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > source is not known...but will try to post > > whenever i come > > > > across...but the case on thread....does not have > > kalasarpa yoga. > > > > Basically kalasarpa or kalaamrit yoga means all > > the planets are > > > > placed in between the rahu and ketu or ketu and > > rahu > > > > respectively...My personal view is one need not > > worry about > > > kalasarpa > > > > yoga as it is not bad as it made out to be...so > > many successful > > > > people have kalasarpa yoga on their > > chart....only concerned person > > > > have to be very careful during the dasa period > > (maha/antar) of > > > either > > > > of sarpa planets. This is in fact gives one > > success after much > > > > effort..that is all... > > > > > > > > One more personal view is almost all planets are > > good only and no > > > > planet is bad as such...it all depends on your > > past karma...it > > > plays. > > > > If one understands it...does follow his customs > > and practices to > > > the > > > > core...none of the planets harm one...like > > brahmins do trikala > > > > sandhya vandhanam....which protects them from > > all planets. > > > > > > > > may be my view is based on > > overall...consideration...please dont > > > > panic and get tension. > > > > > > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > > > , > > Hasmukhrai Mehta > > > > <astroclinik> wrote: > > > > > Hi members, > > > > > > > > > > Not a single classical authority including > > Varah Mihir, > > > Parashara, > > > > Vaidyanatha, Mantreshwar, Kallyana Verma and > > Bhattotpala has > > > > mentioned this "Kalasarpa Yoga" in his works. > > Will somebody give > > > the > > > > source of this yoga ? > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > mssodhi_in <mssodhi_in> wrote: > > > > > Sir, I am a novice, I would say nobody for > > this field but one > > > thing > > > > I > > > > > can say for sure panic (posting repeatedly at > > short intervals) > > > does > > > > > not bring any good effects also I feel that > > you should thank for > > > > what > > > > > you have, as many in this world are even > > deprived of that,lastly > > > > > think about the stars under which lord > > > > > ShriKrishna was born with parents in jail, > > mamma thirsty for his > > > > > blood and so on. > > > > > Have faith there are lot of learned people > > here and I am sure > > > some > > > > > will definitely guide. > > > > > Regards. > > > > > Manjeet. > > > > > > i have the worst form of kala- sarpa dosha > > with all planets > > > > between > > > > > > rahu in ninth to ketu in third. > > > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ascendent or First House is > > Scorpio > > > > > > The Sign of my Second House is Sagittarius > > > > > > The Sign of my Third House is Capricorn > > > > > > The Sign of my Forth House is Aquarius > > > > > > The Sign of my Fifth House is Pisces > > > > > > The Sign of my Sixth House is Aries > > > > > > The Sign of my Seventh House is Taurus > > > > > > The Sign of my Eighth House is Gemini > > > > > > The Sign of my Ninth House is Cancer > > > > > > The Sign of my Tenth House is Leo > > > > > > The Sign of my Eleventh House is Virgo > > > > > > The Sign of my Twelfth House is Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, Uranus is/are located in my First > > House. > > > > > > Neptune, Venus is/are located in my Second > > House. > > > > > > Ketu is/are located in my Third House. > > > > > > Rahu is/are located in my Ninth House. > > > > > > Mars is/are located in my Tenth House. > > > > > > Saturn is/are located in my Eleventh House. > > > > > > Jupiter, Mercury, Moon, Pluto is/are located > > in my Twelfth > > > House. > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL THE EFFECTS OD SUCH A HOROSCOPE > > > > > > AND REMEDY TOO. > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > http://www.neerajgupta.com > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Dear Gaurav, Tata and list memebers, Tata : I just went through your link. Yes, its a wonderful article. It reflects what I was trying to say. Thank you. Gaurav : I am not talking of such yogs by name. Call it Kal Sarp Yog or Kal Amrit Yog. My reference was planets on one side of the horoscopes. Rahu and Ketu are not planets. They are shadowy grahas. Hence I have mentioned only 7 planets. Now lets take Nehrus chart. The data I have is November 14, 1889, 11:21 pm 81E52 25N28 If you cast the chart this chart demonstrates what I was talking about in my mail using Krushnas Ashtakvarg System. If you see SAV points from 11th house to 4th house i.e 6 contigious houses the points are greater than 30 i.e. 35,30,30,31,33,30. After that you get 5th house with 22 points and then 6th house again goes up to 32 bindus. >From 7th through 10th house the bindus are low i.e. 18, 24, 26, 26. So here when planets are transitting house with more than 28 bindus they will give good results.. and here there are 6 houses one after the other so it will give good results for prolong period depending on planets transitting. On the flip side when planets transit over Nehrus 7th through 10th house i.e 4 houses it will give more difficult results or rather prolonged. SAV (Sarvashtakvarg) automatically takes care of such things and actually we dont have to consider yogs or their contras atleast when using Ashtakvarg system. Now compare this chart of Nehru with the chart that was given in the first thread. I think it will be clear. DOB--24 NOV 1981 TIME - 07-10 AM PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. Here in this chart if u see points from 12th through 7th except for 4th house i.e. from 12th house he has 22, 26, 23, 24, 34, 26, 26, 27. Other factors in the above chart is the Venus to Sun distance is > 43deg20, Guru in libra, Shani with moon, Venus in dwshaba rashi, 6th lord in 10th etc etc... Its was a good discussion. Thanks. Cheers !!! Ash , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > Hello Everyone, > Nice link given by Tata ji maybe Ash should have a > look at the section for Kal Sarpa Yoga. The section clearly states > Tata ji`s experience also > > "From practical point of view this is not found to be a hindrance to > progress. I have the horoscopes of a lot of people who have this so > called dosha and are doing quite well in life. One of the most > notable exceptions is the horoscope of Jawaharlal Nehru, the late > prime minister of India. If someone can rise to that level with > kalasarpa yoga, then its not a bad one really!!" > > Tata ji a small question for you if you dont mind. As stated by Ash > (in his analysis based on Ashtakavarga system "such charts are > special and commonsense dictates that when a person is faced with > prolonged periods of unhappiness, one can get spiritual and may look > for hope from the divine") is it ascertain that due to KS yoga > analysis(based on Ashtakavarga system) all people will have prolonged > periods of unhappiness? > > P.S- Ash i myself dont deny the existense but the experience is more > profound analysis. > > > Gaurav > > > , <sptata@a...> wrote: > > Dear all, > > You can read more about these misconceptions and scary myths from > > http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm > > Regards > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > - > > "Hasmukhrai Mehta" <astroclinik> > > <> > > Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:02 AM > > Re: Re: THE WORST FORM OF KALA SARPA,, HELP PLEASE... > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I did not mean to negate the existence of "Kalsarpa Yoga" and its > > results.The purpose of my posting was to know the source or the > astrologer > > who discovered this yoga. Even after all we know about it, my query > still > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > Dear Sriganeshh, Hasmukhrai and list members, > > > > > > The source might not be known but think about the application. > > > When planets all 7 planets are on one side of the chart then the > SAV > > > distribution might pan out in such a way that one side of the > chart > > > has contiguous houses with > 28 bindus or benefic and othe other > side > > > will have less than 28 bindus or altest a serise of contigious > houses > > > with more points and a seriese with less than 28. > > > > > > In that case when Malefics transit over such houses the results > will > > > be prolonged till it hits say a house with more points. > > > So such charts are special and commonsense dictates that when a > > > person is faced with prolonged periods of unhappiness however > > > whichever way you may define happiness, one can get spiritual and > may > > > look for hope from the divine. > > > > > > Just because its not been given in standard texts it does not mean > > > that such a thing may not exist. Even a great classic like BPHS is > > > not complete and there are chapters missing. > > > > > > Yes there can be that some money hungry or faud's in the garb of > > > astrologers may use such fear causing names or celesital > phenemons > > > to instill fear in a person and try to make money off such people. > > > Similar is the case with Sade-Sati or Kuja Dosha etc. Yes such > > > things do exists but not necessarily bad in all cases. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , "sriganeshh" > > > <sriganeshh> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > source is not known...but will try to post whenever i come > > > > across...but the case on thread....does not have kalasarpa yoga. > > > > Basically kalasarpa or kalaamrit yoga means all the planets are > > > > placed in between the rahu and ketu or ketu and rahu > > > > respectively...My personal view is one need not worry about > > > kalasarpa > > > > yoga as it is not bad as it made out to be...so many successful > > > > people have kalasarpa yoga on their chart....only concerned > person > > > > have to be very careful during the dasa period (maha/antar) of > > > either > > > > of sarpa planets. This is in fact gives one success after much > > > > effort..that is all... > > > > > > > > One more personal view is almost all planets are good only and > no > > > > planet is bad as such...it all depends on your past karma...it > > > plays. > > > > If one understands it...does follow his customs and practices to > > > the > > > > core...none of the planets harm one...like brahmins do trikala > > > > sandhya vandhanam....which protects them from all planets. > > > > > > > > may be my view is based on overall...consideration...please dont > > > > panic and get tension. > > > > > > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > > > , Hasmukhrai Mehta > > > > <astroclinik> wrote: > > > > > Hi members, > > > > > > > > > > Not a single classical authority including Varah Mihir, > > > Parashara, > > > > Vaidyanatha, Mantreshwar, Kallyana Verma and Bhattotpala has > > > > mentioned this "Kalasarpa Yoga" in his works. Will somebody give > > > the > > > > source of this yoga ? > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > mssodhi_in <mssodhi_in> wrote: > > > > > Sir, I am a novice, I would say nobody for this field but one > > > thing > > > > I > > > > > can say for sure panic (posting repeatedly at short intervals) > > > does > > > > > not bring any good effects also I feel that you should thank > for > > > > what > > > > > you have, as many in this world are even deprived of > that,lastly > > > > > think about the stars under which lord > > > > > ShriKrishna was born with parents in jail, mamma thirsty for > his > > > > > blood and so on. > > > > > Have faith there are lot of learned people here and I am sure > > > some > > > > > will definitely guide. > > > > > Regards. > > > > > Manjeet. > > > > > > i have the worst form of kala- sarpa dosha with all planets > > > > between > > > > > > rahu in ninth to ketu in third. > > > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ascendent or First House is Scorpio > > > > > > The Sign of my Second House is Sagittarius > > > > > > The Sign of my Third House is Capricorn > > > > > > The Sign of my Forth House is Aquarius > > > > > > The Sign of my Fifth House is Pisces > > > > > > The Sign of my Sixth House is Aries > > > > > > The Sign of my Seventh House is Taurus > > > > > > The Sign of my Eighth House is Gemini > > > > > > The Sign of my Ninth House is Cancer > > > > > > The Sign of my Tenth House is Leo > > > > > > The Sign of my Eleventh House is Virgo > > > > > > The Sign of my Twelfth House is Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, Uranus is/are located in my First House. > > > > > > Neptune, Venus is/are located in my Second House. > > > > > > Ketu is/are located in my Third House. > > > > > > Rahu is/are located in my Ninth House. > > > > > > Mars is/are located in my Tenth House. > > > > > > Saturn is/are located in my Eleventh House. > > > > > > Jupiter, Mercury, Moon, Pluto is/are located in my Twelfth > > > House. > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL THE EFFECTS OD SUCH A HOROSCOPE > > > > > > AND REMEDY TOO. > > > > > > THANKS A LOT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Dear Ash, I also wasnt referring to any particular yoga discussed in your reply my meaning was when planets are one side(according to S.A.V depending upon the bindus). And there are also medium effects which i hope you are aware of, the defination and the meaning. And thanks for letting me know, Rahu and Ketu are not planets and they are shadowy grahas. I would have never come to know about the same until your intervention. Gaurav , "ashsam73" <ashsam73> wrote: > Dear Gaurav, Tata and list memebers, > > Tata : I just went through your link. Yes, its a wonderful article. > It reflects what I was trying to say. Thank you. > > Gaurav : I am not talking of such yogs by name. Call it Kal Sarp Yog > or Kal Amrit Yog. My reference was planets on one side of the > horoscopes. Rahu and Ketu are not planets. They are shadowy > grahas. Hence I have mentioned only 7 planets. > > Now lets take Nehrus chart. The data I have is > > November 14, 1889, > 11:21 pm > 81E52 > 25N28 > > If you cast the chart this chart demonstrates what I was talking > about in my mail using Krushnas Ashtakvarg System. > > If you see SAV points from 11th house to 4th house i.e 6 contigious > houses the points are greater than 30 i.e. 35,30,30,31,33,30. > > After that you get 5th house with 22 points and then 6th house again > goes up to 32 bindus. > > From 7th through 10th house the bindus are low i.e. 18, 24, 26, 26. > > So here when planets are transitting house with more than 28 bindus > they will give good results.. and here there are 6 houses one after > the other so it will give good results for prolong period depending > on planets transitting. > > On the flip side when planets transit over Nehrus 7th through 10th > house i.e 4 houses it will give more difficult results or rather > prolonged. > > SAV (Sarvashtakvarg) automatically takes care of such things and > actually we dont have to consider yogs or their contras atleast when > using Ashtakvarg system. > > Now compare this chart of Nehru with the chart that was given in the > first thread. I think it will be clear. > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > TIME - 07-10 AM > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > Here in this chart if u see points from 12th through 7th except for > 4th house i.e. from 12th house he has 22, 26, 23, 24, 34, 26, 26, 27. > > Other factors in the above chart is the Venus to Sun distance is > > 43deg20, Guru in libra, Shani with moon, Venus in dwshaba rashi, 6th > lord in 10th etc etc... > > Its was a good discussion. Thanks. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > <gauravkom> wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > Nice link given by Tata ji maybe Ash should have a > > look at the section for Kal Sarpa Yoga. The section clearly states > > Tata ji`s experience also > > > > "From practical point of view this is not found to be a hindrance > to > > progress. I have the horoscopes of a lot of people who have this so > > called dosha and are doing quite well in life. One of the most > > notable exceptions is the horoscope of Jawaharlal Nehru, the late > > prime minister of India. If someone can rise to that level with > > kalasarpa yoga, then its not a bad one really!!" > > > > Tata ji a small question for you if you dont mind. As stated by Ash > > (in his analysis based on Ashtakavarga system "such charts are > > special and commonsense dictates that when a person is faced with > > prolonged periods of unhappiness, one can get spiritual and may > look > > for hope from the divine") is it ascertain that due to KS yoga > > analysis(based on Ashtakavarga system) all people will have > prolonged > > periods of unhappiness? > > > > P.S- Ash i myself dont deny the existense but the experience is > more > > profound analysis. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > , <sptata@a...> wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > You can read more about these misconceptions and scary myths from > > > http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm > > > Regards > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > - > > > "Hasmukhrai Mehta" <astroclinik> > > > <> > > > Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:02 AM > > > Re: Re: THE WORST FORM OF KALA SARPA,, HELP > PLEASE... > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > I did not mean to negate the existence of "Kalsarpa Yoga" and > its > > > results.The purpose of my posting was to know the source or the > > astrologer > > > who discovered this yoga. Even after all we know about it, my > query > > still > > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > Dear Sriganeshh, Hasmukhrai and list members, > > > > > > > > The source might not be known but think about the application. > > > > When planets all 7 planets are on one side of the chart then > the > > SAV > > > > distribution might pan out in such a way that one side of the > > chart > > > > has contiguous houses with > 28 bindus or benefic and othe > other > > side > > > > will have less than 28 bindus or altest a serise of contigious > > houses > > > > with more points and a seriese with less than 28. > > > > > > > > In that case when Malefics transit over such houses the results > > will > > > > be prolonged till it hits say a house with more points. > > > > So such charts are special and commonsense dictates that when a > > > > person is faced with prolonged periods of unhappiness however > > > > whichever way you may define happiness, one can get spiritual > and > > may > > > > look for hope from the divine. > > > > > > > > Just because its not been given in standard texts it does not > mean > > > > that such a thing may not exist. Even a great classic like BPHS > is > > > > not complete and there are chapters missing. > > > > > > > > Yes there can be that some money hungry or faud's in the garb of > > > > astrologers may use such fear causing names or celesital > > phenemons > > > > to instill fear in a person and try to make money off such > people. > > > > Similar is the case with Sade-Sati or Kuja Dosha etc. Yes such > > > > things do exists but not necessarily bad in all cases. > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , "sriganeshh" > > > > <sriganeshh> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > source is not known...but will try to post whenever i come > > > > > across...but the case on thread....does not have kalasarpa > yoga. > > > > > Basically kalasarpa or kalaamrit yoga means all the planets > are > > > > > placed in between the rahu and ketu or ketu and rahu > > > > > respectively...My personal view is one need not worry about > > > > kalasarpa > > > > > yoga as it is not bad as it made out to be...so many > successful > > > > > people have kalasarpa yoga on their chart....only concerned > > person > > > > > have to be very careful during the dasa period (maha/antar) of > > > > either > > > > > of sarpa planets. This is in fact gives one success after much > > > > > effort..that is all... > > > > > > > > > > One more personal view is almost all planets are good only > and > > no > > > > > planet is bad as such...it all depends on your past karma...it > > > > plays. > > > > > If one understands it...does follow his customs and practices > to > > > > the > > > > > core...none of the planets harm one...like brahmins do trikala > > > > > sandhya vandhanam....which protects them from all planets. > > > > > > > > > > may be my view is based on overall...consideration...please > dont > > > > > panic and get tension. > > > > > > > > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > > > > > , Hasmukhrai Mehta > > > > > <astroclinik> wrote: > > > > > > Hi members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a single classical authority including Varah Mihir, > > > > Parashara, > > > > > Vaidyanatha, Mantreshwar, Kallyana Verma and Bhattotpala has > > > > > mentioned this "Kalasarpa Yoga" in his works. Will somebody > give > > > > the > > > > > source of this yoga ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > mssodhi_in <mssodhi_in> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, I am a novice, I would say nobody for this field but > one > > > > thing > > > > > I > > > > > > can say for sure panic (posting repeatedly at short > intervals) > > > > does > > > > > > not bring any good effects also I feel that you should > thank > > for > > > > > what > > > > > > you have, as many in this world are even deprived of > > that,lastly > > > > > > think about the stars under which lord > > > > > > ShriKrishna was born with parents in jail, mamma thirsty > for > > his > > > > > > blood and so on. > > > > > > Have faith there are lot of learned people here and I am > sure > > > > some > > > > > > will definitely guide. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Manjeet. > > > > > > > i have the worst form of kala- sarpa dosha with all > planets > > > > > between > > > > > > > rahu in ninth to ketu in third. > > > > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > > > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > > > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ascendent or First House is Scorpio > > > > > > > The Sign of my Second House is Sagittarius > > > > > > > The Sign of my Third House is Capricorn > > > > > > > The Sign of my Forth House is Aquarius > > > > > > > The Sign of my Fifth House is Pisces > > > > > > > The Sign of my Sixth House is Aries > > > > > > > The Sign of my Seventh House is Taurus > > > > > > > The Sign of my Eighth House is Gemini > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ninth House is Cancer > > > > > > > The Sign of my Tenth House is Leo > > > > > > > The Sign of my Eleventh House is Virgo > > > > > > > The Sign of my Twelfth House is Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, Uranus is/are located in my First House. > > > > > > > Neptune, Venus is/are located in my Second House. > > > > > > > Ketu is/are located in my Third House. > > > > > > > Rahu is/are located in my Ninth House. > > > > > > > Mars is/are located in my Tenth House. > > > > > > > Saturn is/are located in my Eleventh House. > > > > > > > Jupiter, Mercury, Moon, Pluto is/are located in my Twelfth > > > > House. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL THE EFFECTS OD SUCH A HOROSCOPE > > > > > > > AND REMEDY TOO. > > > > > > > THANKS A LOT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Dear Gaurav, My intention about my comment on Rahu and Ketu was that I do not consider their BAV or SAV. I have come across some sites where BAV of Rahu and Ketu have been given !!! Appologies, if it offended you. Cheers !!! Ash , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > Dear Ash, > I also wasnt referring to any particular yoga discussed in > your reply my meaning was when planets are one side(according to > S.A.V depending upon the bindus). And there are also medium effects > which i hope you are aware of, the defination and the meaning. > > And thanks for letting me know, Rahu and Ketu are not planets and > they are shadowy grahas. I would have never come to know about the > same until your intervention. > > > Gaurav > > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73> > wrote: > > Dear Gaurav, Tata and list memebers, > > > > Tata : I just went through your link. Yes, its a wonderful > article. > > It reflects what I was trying to say. Thank you. > > > > Gaurav : I am not talking of such yogs by name. Call it Kal Sarp > Yog > > or Kal Amrit Yog. My reference was planets on one side of the > > horoscopes. Rahu and Ketu are not planets. They are shadowy > > grahas. Hence I have mentioned only 7 planets. > > > > Now lets take Nehrus chart. The data I have is > > > > November 14, 1889, > > 11:21 pm > > 81E52 > > 25N28 > > > > If you cast the chart this chart demonstrates what I was talking > > about in my mail using Krushnas Ashtakvarg System. > > > > If you see SAV points from 11th house to 4th house i.e 6 contigious > > houses the points are greater than 30 i.e. 35,30,30,31,33,30. > > > > After that you get 5th house with 22 points and then 6th house > again > > goes up to 32 bindus. > > > > From 7th through 10th house the bindus are low i.e. 18, 24, 26, > 26. > > > > So here when planets are transitting house with more than 28 bindus > > they will give good results.. and here there are 6 houses one after > > the other so it will give good results for prolong period depending > > on planets transitting. > > > > On the flip side when planets transit over Nehrus 7th through 10th > > house i.e 4 houses it will give more difficult results or rather > > prolonged. > > > > SAV (Sarvashtakvarg) automatically takes care of such things and > > actually we dont have to consider yogs or their contras atleast > when > > using Ashtakvarg system. > > > > Now compare this chart of Nehru with the chart that was given in > the > > first thread. I think it will be clear. > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > Here in this chart if u see points from 12th through 7th except for > > 4th house i.e. from 12th house he has 22, 26, 23, 24, 34, 26, 26, > 27. > > > > Other factors in the above chart is the Venus to Sun distance is > > > 43deg20, Guru in libra, Shani with moon, Venus in dwshaba rashi, > 6th > > lord in 10th etc etc... > > > > Its was a good discussion. Thanks. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > Hello Everyone, > > > Nice link given by Tata ji maybe Ash should have a > > > look at the section for Kal Sarpa Yoga. The section clearly > states > > > Tata ji`s experience also > > > > > > "From practical point of view this is not found to be a hindrance > > to > > > progress. I have the horoscopes of a lot of people who have this > so > > > called dosha and are doing quite well in life. One of the most > > > notable exceptions is the horoscope of Jawaharlal Nehru, the late > > > prime minister of India. If someone can rise to that level with > > > kalasarpa yoga, then its not a bad one really!!" > > > > > > Tata ji a small question for you if you dont mind. As stated by > Ash > > > (in his analysis based on Ashtakavarga system "such charts are > > > special and commonsense dictates that when a person is faced with > > > prolonged periods of unhappiness, one can get spiritual and may > > look > > > for hope from the divine") is it ascertain that due to KS yoga > > > analysis(based on Ashtakavarga system) all people will have > > prolonged > > > periods of unhappiness? > > > > > > P.S- Ash i myself dont deny the existense but the experience is > > more > > > profound analysis. > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > , <sptata@a...> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > You can read more about these misconceptions and scary myths > from > > > > http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm > > > > Regards > > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > - > > > > "Hasmukhrai Mehta" <astroclinik> > > > > <> > > > > Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:02 AM > > > > Re: Re: THE WORST FORM OF KALA SARPA,, HELP > > PLEASE... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > I did not mean to negate the existence of "Kalsarpa Yoga" and > > its > > > > results.The purpose of my posting was to know the source or the > > > astrologer > > > > who discovered this yoga. Even after all we know about it, my > > query > > > still > > > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sriganeshh, Hasmukhrai and list members, > > > > > > > > > > The source might not be known but think about the application. > > > > > When planets all 7 planets are on one side of the chart then > > the > > > SAV > > > > > distribution might pan out in such a way that one side of the > > > chart > > > > > has contiguous houses with > 28 bindus or benefic and othe > > other > > > side > > > > > will have less than 28 bindus or altest a serise of > contigious > > > houses > > > > > with more points and a seriese with less than 28. > > > > > > > > > > In that case when Malefics transit over such houses the > results > > > will > > > > > be prolonged till it hits say a house with more points. > > > > > So such charts are special and commonsense dictates that when > a > > > > > person is faced with prolonged periods of unhappiness however > > > > > whichever way you may define happiness, one can get spiritual > > and > > > may > > > > > look for hope from the divine. > > > > > > > > > > Just because its not been given in standard texts it does not > > mean > > > > > that such a thing may not exist. Even a great classic like > BPHS > > is > > > > > not complete and there are chapters missing. > > > > > > > > > > Yes there can be that some money hungry or faud's in the garb > of > > > > > astrologers may use such fear causing names or celesital > > > phenemons > > > > > to instill fear in a person and try to make money off such > > people. > > > > > Similar is the case with Sade-Sati or Kuja Dosha etc. Yes > such > > > > > things do exists but not necessarily bad in all cases. > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , "sriganeshh" > > > > > <sriganeshh> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > source is not known...but will try to post whenever i come > > > > > > across...but the case on thread....does not have kalasarpa > > yoga. > > > > > > Basically kalasarpa or kalaamrit yoga means all the planets > > are > > > > > > placed in between the rahu and ketu or ketu and rahu > > > > > > respectively...My personal view is one need not worry about > > > > > kalasarpa > > > > > > yoga as it is not bad as it made out to be...so many > > successful > > > > > > people have kalasarpa yoga on their chart....only concerned > > > person > > > > > > have to be very careful during the dasa period (maha/antar) > of > > > > > either > > > > > > of sarpa planets. This is in fact gives one success after > much > > > > > > effort..that is all... > > > > > > > > > > > > One more personal view is almost all planets are good only > > and > > > no > > > > > > planet is bad as such...it all depends on your past > karma...it > > > > > plays. > > > > > > If one understands it...does follow his customs and > practices > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > core...none of the planets harm one...like brahmins do > trikala > > > > > > sandhya vandhanam....which protects them from all planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > may be my view is based on overall...consideration...please > > dont > > > > > > panic and get tension. > > > > > > > > > > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > > > > > > > , Hasmukhrai Mehta > > > > > > <astroclinik> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a single classical authority including Varah Mihir, > > > > > Parashara, > > > > > > Vaidyanatha, Mantreshwar, Kallyana Verma and Bhattotpala has > > > > > > mentioned this "Kalasarpa Yoga" in his works. Will somebody > > give > > > > > the > > > > > > source of this yoga ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mssodhi_in <mssodhi_in> wrote: > > > > > > > Sir, I am a novice, I would say nobody for this field but > > one > > > > > thing > > > > > > I > > > > > > > can say for sure panic (posting repeatedly at short > > intervals) > > > > > does > > > > > > > not bring any good effects also I feel that you should > > thank > > > for > > > > > > what > > > > > > > you have, as many in this world are even deprived of > > > that,lastly > > > > > > > think about the stars under which lord > > > > > > > ShriKrishna was born with parents in jail, mamma thirsty > > for > > > his > > > > > > > blood and so on. > > > > > > > Have faith there are lot of learned people here and I am > > sure > > > > > some > > > > > > > will definitely guide. > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > Manjeet. > > > > > > > > i have the worst form of kala- sarpa dosha with all > > planets > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > rahu in ninth to ketu in third. > > > > > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > > > > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > > > > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ascendent or First House is Scorpio > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Second House is Sagittarius > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Third House is Capricorn > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Forth House is Aquarius > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Fifth House is Pisces > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Sixth House is Aries > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Seventh House is Taurus > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Eighth House is Gemini > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ninth House is Cancer > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Tenth House is Leo > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Eleventh House is Virgo > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Twelfth House is Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, Uranus is/are located in my First House. > > > > > > > > Neptune, Venus is/are located in my Second House. > > > > > > > > Ketu is/are located in my Third House. > > > > > > > > Rahu is/are located in my Ninth House. > > > > > > > > Mars is/are located in my Tenth House. > > > > > > > > Saturn is/are located in my Eleventh House. > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Mercury, Moon, Pluto is/are located in my > Twelfth > > > > > House. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL THE EFFECTS OD SUCH A HOROSCOPE > > > > > > > > AND REMEDY TOO. > > > > > > > > THANKS A LOT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Dear Rohiniji, Where is Rattan Lal's book on Nadi techniques available, I mean which publication or book store. Inder -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Namashkar bandhugan, > > Not a classic but Shri Rattanlal's book on nadi techniques has some > interesting information on KSY and its link to sarthaka and vyartha > jeevan yogas-alongwith other intersting info and hints on nakshatras > in jyotish. Like most books of this kind, one needs a bit of studying > and hunting around through the book to really juice it, but being a > tiny pocket-book type publication, that is doable over a couple of > evenings. > > Rohiniranjan > > , Neeraj Gupta > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > I don't know from where KSY originated or in which > > ancient scripture it is given. It is not mentioned in > > any of the standard texts. But KSY and KAY do exist > > and these are not common. If one is not aware of the > > exceptions, then you can find more than 30% of the > > population in KSY / KAY. > > > > I will list out some exceptions. > > > > 1) If any of node (Rahu / Ketu) conjoins any other > > planet, that conjoining planet will break KSY / KAY. > > > > 2) If any planet other than Rahu / Ketu is present in > > 1st or 7th house of the chart, the KSY / KAY will > > break. > > > > Regards, > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > --- sptata@a... wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > You can read more about these misconceptions and > > > scary myths from > > > http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm > > > Regards > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > - > > > "Hasmukhrai Mehta" <astroclinik> > > > <> > > > Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:02 AM > > > Re: Re: THE WORST FORM OF KALA SARPA,, > > > HELP PLEASE... > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > I did not mean to negate the existence of > > > "Kalsarpa Yoga" and its > > > results.The purpose of my posting was to know the > > > source or the astrologer > > > who discovered this yoga. Even after all we know > > > about it, my query still > > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > Dear Sriganeshh, Hasmukhrai and list members, > > > > > > > > The source might not be known but think about the > > > application. > > > > When planets all 7 planets are on one side of the > > > chart then the SAV > > > > distribution might pan out in such a way that one > > > side of the chart > > > > has contiguous houses with > 28 bindus or benefic > > > and othe other side > > > > will have less than 28 bindus or altest a serise > > > of contigious houses > > > > with more points and a seriese with less than 28. > > > > > > > > In that case when Malefics transit over such > > > houses the results will > > > > be prolonged till it hits say a house with more > > > points. > > > > So such charts are special and commonsense > > > dictates that when a > > > > person is faced with prolonged periods of > > > unhappiness however > > > > whichever way you may define happiness, one can > > > get spiritual and may > > > > look for hope from the divine. > > > > > > > > Just because its not been given in standard texts > > > it does not mean > > > > that such a thing may not exist. Even a great > > > classic like BPHS is > > > > not complete and there are chapters missing. > > > > > > > > Yes there can be that some money hungry or faud's > > > in the garb of > > > > astrologers may use such fear causing names or > > > celesital phenemons > > > > to instill fear in a person and try to make money > > > off such people. > > > > Similar is the case with Sade-Sati or Kuja Dosha > > > etc. Yes such > > > > things do exists but not necessarily bad in all > > > cases. > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > , > > > "sriganeshh" > > > > <sriganeshh> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > source is not known...but will try to post > > > whenever i come > > > > > across...but the case on thread....does not have > > > kalasarpa yoga. > > > > > Basically kalasarpa or kalaamrit yoga means all > > > the planets are > > > > > placed in between the rahu and ketu or ketu and > > > rahu > > > > > respectively...My personal view is one need not > > > worry about > > > > kalasarpa > > > > > yoga as it is not bad as it made out to be...so > > > many successful > > > > > people have kalasarpa yoga on their > > > chart....only concerned person > > > > > have to be very careful during the dasa period > > > (maha/antar) of > > > > either > > > > > of sarpa planets. This is in fact gives one > > > success after much > > > > > effort..that is all... > > > > > > > > > > One more personal view is almost all planets are > > > good only and no > > > > > planet is bad as such...it all depends on your > > > past karma...it > > > > plays. > > > > > If one understands it...does follow his customs > > > and practices to > > > > the > > > > > core...none of the planets harm one...like > > > brahmins do trikala > > > > > sandhya vandhanam....which protects them from > > > all planets. > > > > > > > > > > may be my view is based on > > > overall...consideration...please dont > > > > > panic and get tension. > > > > > > > > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > > > > > , > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta > > > > > <astroclinik> wrote: > > > > > > Hi members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a single classical authority including > > > Varah Mihir, > > > > Parashara, > > > > > Vaidyanatha, Mantreshwar, Kallyana Verma and > > > Bhattotpala has > > > > > mentioned this "Kalasarpa Yoga" in his works. > > > Will somebody give > > > > the > > > > > source of this yoga ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > mssodhi_in <mssodhi_in> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, I am a novice, I would say nobody for > > > this field but one > > > > thing > > > > > I > > > > > > can say for sure panic (posting repeatedly at > > > short intervals) > > > > does > > > > > > not bring any good effects also I feel that > > > you should thank for > > > > > what > > > > > > you have, as many in this world are even > > > deprived of that,lastly > > > > > > think about the stars under which lord > > > > > > ShriKrishna was born with parents in jail, > > > mamma thirsty for his > > > > > > blood and so on. > > > > > > Have faith there are lot of learned people > > > here and I am sure > > > > some > > > > > > will definitely guide. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Manjeet. > > > > > > > i have the worst form of kala- sarpa dosha > > > with all planets > > > > > between > > > > > > > rahu in ninth to ketu in third. > > > > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > > > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > > > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ascendent or First House is > > > Scorpio > > > > > > > The Sign of my Second House is Sagittarius > > > > > > > The Sign of my Third House is Capricorn > > > > > > > The Sign of my Forth House is Aquarius > > > > > > > The Sign of my Fifth House is Pisces > > > > > > > The Sign of my Sixth House is Aries > > > > > > > The Sign of my Seventh House is Taurus > > > > > > > The Sign of my Eighth House is Gemini > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ninth House is Cancer > > > > > > > The Sign of my Tenth House is Leo > > > > > > > The Sign of my Eleventh House is Virgo > > > > > > > The Sign of my Twelfth House is Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, Uranus is/are located in my First > > > House. > > > > > > > Neptune, Venus is/are located in my Second > > > House. > > > > > > > Ketu is/are located in my Third House. > > > > > > > Rahu is/are located in my Ninth House. > > > > > > > Mars is/are located in my Tenth House. > > > > > > > Saturn is/are located in my Eleventh House. > > > > > > > Jupiter, Mercury, Moon, Pluto is/are located > > > in my Twelfth > > > > House. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL THE EFFECTS OD SUCH A HOROSCOPE > > > > > > > AND REMEDY TOO. > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > ===== > > http://www.neerajgupta.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Dear Inder, Good question but it is a vast subject to be discussed in a forum. Here is a small effort to discuss the meaning of it. First some basics before we discuss about the effects. Karma first came into being as a concept in Hinduism, largely based on the Vedas and Upanishads. One of the first and most dramatic illustrations of Karma can be found in the great Hindu epic, the Mahabharata. The original Hindu concept of karma was later enhanced by several other movements within the religion, most notably Vedanta, Yoga, and Tantra. Hinduism sees karma as immutable law with involuntary and voluntary acts being part of a more intricate system of cause and effect that is often not comprehensible to one bound by karma. It is the goal of the Hindu, as expressed succinctly in the Bhagavad Gita, to embrace a 'sattvic' lifestyle and thus avoid creating more karma (karma is not qualified as good or bad). By ceasing to create more karma, the jiva-atma or individual soul is able to move closer to moksha, or liberation. To the Hindu, karma is the law of the phenomenal cosmos that is part and parcel of living within the dimensions of time and space. All actions, thoughts, vibrations of any sort, are governed by a law that demands perfect rebound. So all jiva-atmas (individual souls) must experience karma if they live and experience the phenomenal universe. To escape the cycle of life, death and rebirth, one must exhaust one's karma and realize one's true Self as the highest truth of Oneness that is Brahman (or for dvaitists(dualists) bliss with the Supreme Godhead). In Hinduism, karma is of three kinds: Prarabadha Karma This karma is unchangeable within the scope of one life, since it is the 'setup' for the life in question. It is the karma of one's past lives. After death, the atma leaves the body, as the casting off of old vestments, and carries with it the samskaras (impressions) of the past life of thoughts and actions and events. These samskaras manifest themselves in the unchangeable situation into which one is born and certain key events in one's life. These include one's time of death (seen as governed by an allotment from birth of the total number of one's breaths for that life), one's economic status, one's family (or lack of family), one's body type and look: essentially, the setting of one's birth, the initial base. Samchita Karma The samskaras that one inherits from the last lives create one's personality, inclinations, talents, the things that make up one's persona. One's likings, abilities, attitudes and inclinations are based on the thoughts and actions of past lives. One's samchita karma is somewhat alterable through practice and effort towards change. This might be seen through the Hindu system of yoga and the dynamic of the gunas. An example would be someone who, through meditation, slowly evolved into a more stable personality. Agami Karma Agami karma is the karma of the present life over which the soul has complete control. Through it one creates one's karma in the present for the future of the current life and in life-times to come. The Hindu cannot say, sometimes, if a major event in life is the doing of Prarabadha or Agami Karma. The idea of "bad things happening to good people" is seen by the Hindu as a result of Prarabadha Karma, more simply understood as karma from a past life. In Hinduism, karma works within a cyclical framework that sees the phenomenal universe being created and eventually dissolving back into itself, back into realization that it was nothing other than Maya imposed on the truth of Brahman. So Karma will eventually be worked out. Karma does allow for anirudh (Divine Grace). Through exceeding devotion and love of God, the Hindu believes one can be helped to speed through Karma phal (Karmic fruit). By developing 'vairagya' or 'detachment' from the fruits of one's karma, as Lord Krishna most famously summarized, one can transcend karma and be liberated. One is aided by love of God. All the Yogas of Hinduism seek to transcend karma through different means of realization. Now coming to the question of (strong) Karmic effect,in simple terms (e.g KS yoga) it means that the person is likely to face events which may come all of a sudden. Now pointers to these events is reflected in the types of KS yoga. We get indicators (like possibility of court cases) for a specific type of KS yoga. The answer in preventing such a change taking place lies in the expressions of each individual. The expression of a thought is the expression of a feeling which is answered through Understanding. Understanding and counter- acting the effects of Kala Sarpa Yoga needs a person to move towards his higher self. KS yoga is one such consideration for such an effect. There are other instances also which form a strong Karmic effect. And it is better to let the topic stay inside boundaries, for if we try to explore then it will go towards the horizon. Gaurav , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Please forgive me once again and please tell me what is the meaning > of Karmic effect. I really dont know. What is strong current of > Karmic effect. Is it applicable to KS yoga only?? > Inder > > -- In , "Gaurav Sharma" > <gauravkom> wrote: > > Dear Inder, > > First of all there are two indications that needs to be > > understood. The karmic effects is a general effect of the KS yoga > > irrespective of the type of it. And the types of the yoga are only > > indications to a certain direction, it does not necassarily mean > that > > he will suffer from court cases upto a certain age. I hope you get > > the difference between the general explaination and a pointer to a > > specific kind of KS yoga. Moreover i dont consider it as bad as > Karma > > is not to be ignorned whether strong or medium or normal. The > person > > who is facing it should realize the importance of it. > > > > To the specific question of court cases, naturally the yoga exists > > from birth but that doesnt mean that the person will be facing > such > > issues from birth. Other aspects in the chart should also be > examined > > and only then we can come to a period of time where the chances of > > facing the above issues are more. I also have mentioned the > benefic > > planets in 1 and 7 can reduce the effects to some extent. The > > patterns of the Dashas also play an important role. More > importantly > > regarding age my reference was not towards the specific type of KS > > yoga but in general(as i mentioned in the previous post that it > can > > vary). If you really want to find the age for such issues there is > a > > host of other varga charts also which should be taken into full > > consideration. If anyone predict the age of such issues from the > > Rashi chart without seeing the effects of other varga`s then it > will > > be too general. And funny also. I hope you have understood what i > > mean to say. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > , "Inder" > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > Excuse me for my ignorence. > > > Please explain what is the meaning of " strong effects of Karmic > > > current in life". > > > You mean to say that the person is suffering or will be > suffering > > > court cases upto the age of 38 years.This looks funny. Are you > sure. > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > -- In , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > Hello Inder, > > > > First of all regarding KS Yoga some basic > > information > > > > first > > > > > > > > Savya Kala Sarpa Dosha: > > > > > > > > From Rahu to Ketu all the houses are filled it is Savya > Kalasarpa > > > > Dosha > > > > > > > > Apasavya Kala Sarpa Dosha > > > > > > > > From Ketu to Rahu all the houses are filled, it is called > > Apasavya > > > > Kala Sarpa Dosha. > > > > > > > > Some people also call the above as KalaSarpa Yoga and Kala > > Amritha > > > > Yoga respectively. The yogas existing in the horoscope is also > > > judged > > > > for the natural benefic planet in the first or seventh house > (as > > > they > > > > are pretty important houses). The effect is said to reduce the > > the > > > > venom of the snakes(in a way to reduce the bad effects). > > > > > > > > Now coming back to the KS yoga, it should not be considered as > > > really > > > > bad or bad as some people say but the person is said to have > > > strong > > > > effects of karmic currents in the life. One more important > thing > > > the > > > > KS yoga breaks or the effect reduces considerably after > sometime > > > > depending on the placement of the Rahu and Ketu(the axis is > said > > > to > > > > break at age starting from 38 yrs and it can vary). > > > > > > > > For the chart provided below the person is effected by the KS > > > yoga. > > > > The type of the effected yoga is Sheshnag Kalsarpa Yoga when > Rahu > > > > occupies the 12th house and ketu the 6th house this yoga > arises. > > > The > > > > effect of this combination is specific to some areas only. In > > > > particular it causes problems relating to litigation(and > ofcourse > > > if > > > > you have those issues then there are bound be some people who > are > > > > your enemies). In short the above yoga excercises issues > > > pertaining > > > > to the above discussed field. > > > > > > > > The remedies are already discussed in the forum before. In > this > > > case > > > > specific remedy can be ascertained by studying the position of > > > other > > > > planets also. > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > Dear frieds, > > > > > Big discussion on Kala Sarpa yoga. > > > > > But nobody telling what is its results and when. > > > > > What type of unhappiness and when. > > > > > If Yogs is broken, than what? > > > > > I have following chart with such KSY; > > > > > Male 12th Oct 1980, Karnal [Haryana] Time of birth 04:16 AM > > > > > He is an engineer and persuing MBA course/programme. > > > > > What can I predict for him,when he is likely to be /happy/or > > > > > unhappy, if atall, and what problems he is likely to face? > > > > > I donot have a clue. > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > -- In , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neeraj, > > > > > > The exceptions for breaking of KS are really > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > Are you quoting from any references for the exceptions of > the > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > If yes, do let us know(especially the second exception). > If > > > no, > > > > > then > > > > > > what do you think could be the possible reasons for such > > > > > exceptions. > > > > > > Indeed after suffering we can attribute success, be it > > > spiritual > > > > > or > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > , Neeraj Gupta > > > > > > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > > > > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry I missed out some points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) The horoscope of Jawahar Lal Nehru doesn't have > > > > > > > KSY, rather it is KAY (Kaal Amrita Dosha) which gives > > > > > > > good success after sufferings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Sadhesati is not bad for all, there are different > > > > > > > Padas for Sadehsati, the gold, silver, tamra an Lauha > > > > > > > (iron), the first two are very good, gold one the best > > > > > > > and the last one (iron) is dreadful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > > > > > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know from where KSY originated or in which > > > > > > > > ancient scripture it is given. It is not mentioned > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > any of the standard texts. But KSY and KAY do exist > > > > > > > > and these are not common. If one is not aware of the > > > > > > > > exceptions, then you can find more than 30% of the > > > > > > > > population in KSY / KAY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will list out some exceptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If any of node (Rahu / Ketu) conjoins any other > > > > > > > > planet, that conjoining planet will break KSY / KAY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) If any planet other than Rahu / Ketu is present > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 1st or 7th house of the chart, the KSY / KAY will > > > > > > > > break. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- sptata@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > You can read more about these misconceptions and > > > > > > > > > scary myths from > > > > > > > > > http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > "Hasmukhrai Mehta" <astroclinik> > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:02 AM > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: THE WORST FORM OF KALA > > > > > > > > SARPA,, > > > > > > > > > HELP PLEASE... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not mean to negate the existence of > > > > > > > > > "Kalsarpa Yoga" and its > > > > > > > > > results.The purpose of my posting was to know the > > > > > > > > > source or the astrologer > > > > > > > > > who discovered this yoga. Even after all we know > > > > > > > > > about it, my query still > > > > > > > > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sriganeshh, Hasmukhrai and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The source might not be known but think about > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > application. > > > > > > > > > > When planets all 7 planets are on one side of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > chart then the SAV > > > > > > > > > > distribution might pan out in such a way that > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > side of the chart > > > > > > > > > > has contiguous houses with > 28 bindus or > > > > > > > > benefic > > > > > > > > > and othe other side > > > > > > > > > > will have less than 28 bindus or altest a serise > > > > > > > > > of contigious houses > > > > > > > > > > with more points and a seriese with less than > > > > > > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case when Malefics transit over such > > > > > > > > > houses the results will > > > > > > > > > > be prolonged till it hits say a house with more > > > > > > > > > points. > > > > > > > > > > So such charts are special and commonsense > > > > > > > > > dictates that when a > > > > > > > > > > person is faced with prolonged periods of > > > > > > > > > unhappiness however > > > > > > > > > > whichever way you may define happiness, one can > > > > > > > > > get spiritual and may > > > > > > > > > > look for hope from the divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because its not been given in standard > > > > > > > > texts > > > > > > > > > it does not mean > > > > > > > > > > that such a thing may not exist. Even a great > > > > > > > > > classic like BPHS is > > > > > > > > > > not complete and there are chapters missing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there can be that some money hungry or > > > > > > > > faud's > > > > > > > > > in the garb of > > > > > > > > > > astrologers may use such fear causing names or > > > > > > > > > celesital phenemons > > > > > > > > > > to instill fear in a person and try to make > > > > > > > > money > > > > > > > > > off such people. > > > > > > > > > > Similar is the case with Sade-Sati or Kuja Dosha > > > > > > > > > etc. Yes such > > > > > > > > > > things do exists but not necessarily bad in all > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > "sriganeshh" > > > > > > > > > > <sriganeshh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > source is not known...but will try to post > > > > > > > > > whenever i come > > > > > > > > > > > across...but the case on thread....does not > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > kalasarpa yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > Basically kalasarpa or kalaamrit yoga means > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > the planets are > > > > > > > > > > > placed in between the rahu and ketu or ketu > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > respectively...My personal view is one need > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > worry about > > > > > > > > > > kalasarpa > > > > > > > > > > > yoga as it is not bad as it made out to > > > > > > > > be...so > > > > > > > > > many successful > > > > > > > > > > > people have kalasarpa yoga on their > > > > > > > > > chart....only concerned person > > > > > > > > > > > have to be very careful during the dasa period > > > > > > > > > (maha/antar) of > > > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > > > of sarpa planets. This is in fact gives one > > > > > > > > > success after much > > > > > > > > > > > effort..that is all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more personal view is almost all planets > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > good only and no > > > > > > > > > > > planet is bad as such...it all depends on your > > > > > > > > > past karma...it > > > > > > > > > > plays. > > > > > > > > > > > If one understands it...does follow his > > > > > > > > customs > > > > > > > > > and practices to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > core...none of the planets harm one...like > > > > > > > > > brahmins do trikala > > > > > > > > > > > sandhya vandhanam....which protects them from > > > > > > > > > all planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be my view is based on > > > > > > > > > overall...consideration...please dont > > > > > > > > > > > panic and get tension. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > <astroclinik> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a single classical authority including > > > > > > > > > Varah Mihir, > > > > > > > > > > Parashara, > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidyanatha, Mantreshwar, Kallyana Verma and > > > > > > > > > Bhattotpala has > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned this "Kalasarpa Yoga" in his works. > > > > > > > > > Will somebody give > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > source of this yoga ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mssodhi_in <mssodhi_in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, I am a novice, I would say nobody for > > > > > > > > > this field but one > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > can say for sure panic (posting repeatedly > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > short intervals) > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > not bring any good effects also I feel that > > > > > > > > > you should thank for > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > you have, as many in this world are even > > > > > > > > > deprived of that,lastly > > > > > > > > > > > > think about the stars under which lord > > > > > > > > > > > > ShriKrishna was born with parents in jail, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > http://www.neerajgupta.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Thanks dear, Thankyou very much. Inder -- In , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > Dear Inder, > Good question but it is a vast subject to be discussed in > a forum. Here is a small effort to discuss the meaning of it. First > some basics before we discuss about the effects. Karma first came > into being as a concept in Hinduism, largely based on the Vedas and > Upanishads. One of the first and most dramatic illustrations of Karma > can be found in the great Hindu epic, the Mahabharata. The original > Hindu concept of karma was later enhanced by several other movements > within the religion, most notably Vedanta, Yoga, and Tantra. > > Hinduism sees karma as immutable law with involuntary and voluntary > acts being part of a more intricate system of cause and effect that > is often not comprehensible to one bound by karma. It is the goal of > the Hindu, as expressed succinctly in the Bhagavad Gita, to embrace > a 'sattvic' lifestyle and thus avoid creating more karma (karma is > not qualified as good or bad). By ceasing to create more karma, the > jiva-atma or individual soul is able to move closer to moksha, or > liberation. To the Hindu, karma is the law of the phenomenal cosmos > that is part and parcel of living within the dimensions of time and > space. All actions, thoughts, vibrations of any sort, are governed by > a law that demands perfect rebound. So all jiva-atmas (individual > souls) must experience karma if they live and experience the > phenomenal universe. To escape the cycle of life, death and rebirth, > one must exhaust one's karma and realize one's true Self as the > highest truth of Oneness that is Brahman (or for dvaitists (dualists) > bliss with the Supreme Godhead). > > In Hinduism, karma is of three kinds: > > Prarabadha Karma > This karma is unchangeable within the scope of one life, since it is > the 'setup' for the life in question. It is the karma of one's past > lives. After death, the atma leaves the body, as the casting off of > old vestments, and carries with it the samskaras (impressions) of the > past life of thoughts and actions and events. These samskaras > manifest themselves in the unchangeable situation into which one is > born and certain key events in one's life. These include one's time > of death (seen as governed by an allotment from birth of the total > number of one's breaths for that life), one's economic status, one's > family (or lack of family), one's body type and look: essentially, > the setting of one's birth, the initial base. > > Samchita Karma > The samskaras that one inherits from the last lives create one's > personality, inclinations, talents, the things that make up one's > persona. One's likings, abilities, attitudes and inclinations are > based on the thoughts and actions of past lives. One's samchita karma > is somewhat alterable through practice and effort towards change. > This might be seen through the Hindu system of yoga and the dynamic > of the gunas. An example would be someone who, through meditation, > slowly evolved into a more stable personality. > > Agami Karma > Agami karma is the karma of the present life over which the soul has > complete control. Through it one creates one's karma in the present > for the future of the current life and in life-times to come. > > The Hindu cannot say, sometimes, if a major event in life is the > doing of Prarabadha or Agami Karma. The idea of "bad things happening > to good people" is seen by the Hindu as a result of Prarabadha Karma, > more simply understood as karma from a past life. > > In Hinduism, karma works within a cyclical framework that sees the > phenomenal universe being created and eventually dissolving back into > itself, back into realization that it was nothing other than Maya > imposed on the truth of Brahman. So Karma will eventually be worked > out. Karma does allow for anirudh (Divine Grace). Through exceeding > devotion and love of God, the Hindu believes one can be helped to > speed through Karma phal (Karmic fruit). By developing 'vairagya' > or 'detachment' from the fruits of one's karma, as Lord Krishna most > famously summarized, one can transcend karma and be liberated. One is > aided by love of God. All the Yogas of Hinduism seek to transcend > karma through different means of realization. > > Now coming to the question of (strong) Karmic effect,in simple terms > (e.g KS yoga) it means that the person is likely to face events which > may come all of a sudden. Now pointers to these events is reflected > in the types of KS yoga. We get indicators (like possibility of court > cases) for a specific type of KS yoga. The answer in preventing such > a change taking place lies in the expressions of each individual. The > expression of a thought is the expression of a feeling which is > answered through Understanding. Understanding and counter- acting the > effects of Kala Sarpa Yoga needs a person to move towards his higher > self. > > KS yoga is one such consideration for such an effect. There are other > instances also which form a strong Karmic effect. And it is better to > let the topic stay inside boundaries, for if we try to explore then > it will go towards the horizon. > > > Gaurav > > > , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Please forgive me once again and please tell me what is the meaning > > of Karmic effect. I really dont know. What is strong current of > > Karmic effect. Is it applicable to KS yoga only?? > > Inder > > > > -- In , "Gaurav Sharma" > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > Dear Inder, > > > First of all there are two indications that needs to > be > > > understood. The karmic effects is a general effect of the KS yoga > > > irrespective of the type of it. And the types of the yoga are > only > > > indications to a certain direction, it does not necassarily mean > > that > > > he will suffer from court cases upto a certain age. I hope you > get > > > the difference between the general explaination and a pointer to > a > > > specific kind of KS yoga. Moreover i dont consider it as bad as > > Karma > > > is not to be ignorned whether strong or medium or normal. The > > person > > > who is facing it should realize the importance of it. > > > > > > To the specific question of court cases, naturally the yoga > exists > > > from birth but that doesnt mean that the person will be facing > > such > > > issues from birth. Other aspects in the chart should also be > > examined > > > and only then we can come to a period of time where the chances > of > > > facing the above issues are more. I also have mentioned the > > benefic > > > planets in 1 and 7 can reduce the effects to some extent. The > > > patterns of the Dashas also play an important role. More > > importantly > > > regarding age my reference was not towards the specific type of > KS > > > yoga but in general(as i mentioned in the previous post that it > > can > > > vary). If you really want to find the age for such issues there > is > > a > > > host of other varga charts also which should be taken into full > > > consideration. If anyone predict the age of such issues from the > > > Rashi chart without seeing the effects of other varga`s then it > > will > > > be too general. And funny also. I hope you have understood what i > > > mean to say. > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > Excuse me for my ignorence. > > > > Please explain what is the meaning of " strong effects of > Karmic > > > > current in life". > > > > You mean to say that the person is suffering or will be > > suffering > > > > court cases upto the age of 38 years.This looks funny. Are you > > sure. > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > Hello Inder, > > > > > First of all regarding KS Yoga some basic > > > information > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > Savya Kala Sarpa Dosha: > > > > > > > > > > From Rahu to Ketu all the houses are filled it is Savya > > Kalasarpa > > > > > Dosha > > > > > > > > > > Apasavya Kala Sarpa Dosha > > > > > > > > > > From Ketu to Rahu all the houses are filled, it is called > > > Apasavya > > > > > Kala Sarpa Dosha. > > > > > > > > > > Some people also call the above as KalaSarpa Yoga and Kala > > > Amritha > > > > > Yoga respectively. The yogas existing in the horoscope is > also > > > > judged > > > > > for the natural benefic planet in the first or seventh house > > (as > > > > they > > > > > are pretty important houses). The effect is said to reduce > the > > > the > > > > > venom of the snakes(in a way to reduce the bad effects). > > > > > > > > > > Now coming back to the KS yoga, it should not be considered > as > > > > really > > > > > bad or bad as some people say but the person is said to have > > > > strong > > > > > effects of karmic currents in the life. One more important > > thing > > > > the > > > > > KS yoga breaks or the effect reduces considerably after > > sometime > > > > > depending on the placement of the Rahu and Ketu(the axis is > > said > > > > to > > > > > break at age starting from 38 yrs and it can vary). > > > > > > > > > > For the chart provided below the person is effected by the KS > > > > yoga. > > > > > The type of the effected yoga is Sheshnag Kalsarpa Yoga when > > Rahu > > > > > occupies the 12th house and ketu the 6th house this yoga > > arises. > > > > The > > > > > effect of this combination is specific to some areas only. In > > > > > particular it causes problems relating to litigation(and > > ofcourse > > > > if > > > > > you have those issues then there are bound be some people who > > are > > > > > your enemies). In short the above yoga excercises issues > > > > pertaining > > > > > to the above discussed field. > > > > > > > > > > The remedies are already discussed in the forum before. In > > this > > > > case > > > > > specific remedy can be ascertained by studying the position > of > > > > other > > > > > planets also. > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > Dear frieds, > > > > > > Big discussion on Kala Sarpa yoga. > > > > > > But nobody telling what is its results and when. > > > > > > What type of unhappiness and when. > > > > > > If Yogs is broken, than what? > > > > > > I have following chart with such KSY; > > > > > > Male 12th Oct 1980, Karnal [Haryana] Time of birth 04:16 AM > > > > > > He is an engineer and persuing MBA course/programme. > > > > > > What can I predict for him,when he is likely to > be /happy/or > > > > > > unhappy, if atall, and what problems he is likely to face? > > > > > > I donot have a clue. > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Neeraj, > > > > > > > The exceptions for breaking of KS are really > > > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > Are you quoting from any references for the exceptions of > > the > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > If yes, do let us know(especially the second exception). > > If > > > > no, > > > > > > then > > > > > > > what do you think could be the possible reasons for such > > > > > > exceptions. > > > > > > > Indeed after suffering we can attribute success, be it > > > > spiritual > > > > > > or > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Neeraj Gupta > > > > > > > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > > > > > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry I missed out some points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) The horoscope of Jawahar Lal Nehru doesn't have > > > > > > > > KSY, rather it is KAY (Kaal Amrita Dosha) which gives > > > > > > > > good success after sufferings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Sadhesati is not bad for all, there are different > > > > > > > > Padas for Sadehsati, the gold, silver, tamra an Lauha > > > > > > > > (iron), the first two are very good, gold one the best > > > > > > > > and the last one (iron) is dreadful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know from where KSY originated or in which > > > > > > > > > ancient scripture it is given. It is not mentioned > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > any of the standard texts. But KSY and KAY do exist > > > > > > > > > and these are not common. If one is not aware of the > > > > > > > > > exceptions, then you can find more than 30% of the > > > > > > > > > population in KSY / KAY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will list out some exceptions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) If any of node (Rahu / Ketu) conjoins any other > > > > > > > > > planet, that conjoining planet will break KSY / KAY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) If any planet other than Rahu / Ketu is present > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 1st or 7th house of the chart, the KSY / KAY will > > > > > > > > > break. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- sptata@a... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > You can read more about these misconceptions and > > > > > > > > > > scary myths from > > > > > > > > > > http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > "Hasmukhrai Mehta" <astroclinik> > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:02 AM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: THE WORST FORM OF KALA > > > > > > > > > SARPA,, > > > > > > > > > > HELP PLEASE... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not mean to negate the existence of > > > > > > > > > > "Kalsarpa Yoga" and its > > > > > > > > > > results.The purpose of my posting was to know the > > > > > > > > > > source or the astrologer > > > > > > > > > > who discovered this yoga. Even after all we know > > > > > > > > > > about it, my query still > > > > > > > > > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sriganeshh, Hasmukhrai and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The source might not be known but think about > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > application. > > > > > > > > > > > When planets all 7 planets are on one side of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart then the SAV > > > > > > > > > > > distribution might pan out in such a way that > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > side of the chart > > > > > > > > > > > has contiguous houses with > 28 bindus or > > > > > > > > > benefic > > > > > > > > > > and othe other side > > > > > > > > > > > will have less than 28 bindus or altest a serise > > > > > > > > > > of contigious houses > > > > > > > > > > > with more points and a seriese with less than > > > > > > > > > 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case when Malefics transit over such > > > > > > > > > > houses the results will > > > > > > > > > > > be prolonged till it hits say a house with more > > > > > > > > > > points. > > > > > > > > > > > So such charts are special and commonsense > > > > > > > > > > dictates that when a > > > > > > > > > > > person is faced with prolonged periods of > > > > > > > > > > unhappiness however > > > > > > > > > > > whichever way you may define happiness, one can > > > > > > > > > > get spiritual and may > > > > > > > > > > > look for hope from the divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because its not been given in standard > > > > > > > > > texts > > > > > > > > > > it does not mean > > > > > > > > > > > that such a thing may not exist. Even a great > > > > > > > > > > classic like BPHS is > > > > > > > > > > > not complete and there are chapters missing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there can be that some money hungry or > > > > > > > > > faud's > > > > > > > > > > in the garb of > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers may use such fear causing names or > > > > > > > > > > celesital phenemons > > > > > > > > > > > to instill fear in a person and try to make > > > > > > > > > money > > > > > > > > > > off such people. > > > > > > > > > > > Similar is the case with Sade-Sati or Kuja Dosha > > > > > > > > > > etc. Yes such > > > > > > > > > > > things do exists but not necessarily bad in all > > > > > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > "sriganeshh" > > > > > > > > > > > <sriganeshh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > source is not known...but will try to post > > > > > > > > > > whenever i come > > > > > > > > > > > > across...but the case on thread....does not > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > kalasarpa yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically kalasarpa or kalaamrit yoga means > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > the planets are > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in between the rahu and ketu or ketu > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > respectively...My personal view is one need > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > worry about > > > > > > > > > > > kalasarpa > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga as it is not bad as it made out to > > > > > > > > > be...so > > > > > > > > > > many successful > > > > > > > > > > > > people have kalasarpa yoga on their > > > > > > > > > > chart....only concerned person > > > > > > > > > > > > have to be very careful during the dasa period > > > > > > > > > > (maha/antar) of > > > > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > > > > of sarpa planets. This is in fact gives one > > > > > > > > > > success after much > > > > > > > > > > > > effort..that is all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more personal view is almost all planets > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > good only and no > > > > > > > > > > > > planet is bad as such...it all depends on your > > > > > > > > > > past karma...it > > > > > > > > > > > plays. > > > > > > > > > > > > If one understands it...does follow his > > > > > > > > > customs > > > > > > > > > > and practices to > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > core...none of the planets harm one...like > > > > > > > > > > brahmins do trikala > > > > > > > > > > > > sandhya vandhanam....which protects them from > > > > > > > > > > all planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be my view is based on > > > > > > > > > > overall...consideration...please dont > > > > > > > > > > > > panic and get tension. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > <astroclinik> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a single classical authority including > > > > > > > > > > Varah Mihir, > > > > > > > > > > > Parashara, > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaidyanatha, Mantreshwar, Kallyana Verma and > > > > > > > > > > Bhattotpala has > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned this "Kalasarpa Yoga" in his works. > > > > > > > > > > Will somebody give > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > source of this yoga ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mssodhi_in <mssodhi_in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, I am a novice, I would say nobody for > > > > > > > > > > this field but one > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > can say for sure panic (posting repeatedly > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > short intervals) > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > not bring any good effects also I feel that > > > > > > > > > > you should thank for > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have, as many in this world are even > > > > > > > > > > deprived of that,lastly > > > > > > > > > > > > > think about the stars under which lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > ShriKrishna was born with parents in jail, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > http://www.neerajgupta.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Actually -- the lunar nodes are not even 'shadowy' planets as stated in classics, but mere mathematical points. Even shadow has a body, which nodes do not! ;-) RR , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > Dear Ash, > I also wasnt referring to any particular yoga discussed in > your reply my meaning was when planets are one side(according to > S.A.V depending upon the bindus). And there are also medium effects > which i hope you are aware of, the defination and the meaning. > > And thanks for letting me know, Rahu and Ketu are not planets and > they are shadowy grahas. I would have never come to know about the > same until your intervention. > > > Gaurav > > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73> > wrote: > > Dear Gaurav, Tata and list memebers, > > > > Tata : I just went through your link. Yes, its a wonderful > article. > > It reflects what I was trying to say. Thank you. > > > > Gaurav : I am not talking of such yogs by name. Call it Kal Sarp > Yog > > or Kal Amrit Yog. My reference was planets on one side of the > > horoscopes. Rahu and Ketu are not planets. They are shadowy > > grahas. Hence I have mentioned only 7 planets. > > > > Now lets take Nehrus chart. The data I have is > > > > November 14, 1889, > > 11:21 pm > > 81E52 > > 25N28 > > > > If you cast the chart this chart demonstrates what I was talking > > about in my mail using Krushnas Ashtakvarg System. > > > > If you see SAV points from 11th house to 4th house i.e 6 contigious > > houses the points are greater than 30 i.e. 35,30,30,31,33,30. > > > > After that you get 5th house with 22 points and then 6th house > again > > goes up to 32 bindus. > > > > From 7th through 10th house the bindus are low i.e. 18, 24, 26, > 26. > > > > So here when planets are transitting house with more than 28 bindus > > they will give good results.. and here there are 6 houses one after > > the other so it will give good results for prolong period depending > > on planets transitting. > > > > On the flip side when planets transit over Nehrus 7th through 10th > > house i.e 4 houses it will give more difficult results or rather > > prolonged. > > > > SAV (Sarvashtakvarg) automatically takes care of such things and > > actually we dont have to consider yogs or their contras atleast > when > > using Ashtakvarg system. > > > > Now compare this chart of Nehru with the chart that was given in > the > > first thread. I think it will be clear. > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > Here in this chart if u see points from 12th through 7th except for > > 4th house i.e. from 12th house he has 22, 26, 23, 24, 34, 26, 26, > 27. > > > > Other factors in the above chart is the Venus to Sun distance is > > > 43deg20, Guru in libra, Shani with moon, Venus in dwshaba rashi, > 6th > > lord in 10th etc etc... > > > > Its was a good discussion. Thanks. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > Hello Everyone, > > > Nice link given by Tata ji maybe Ash should have a > > > look at the section for Kal Sarpa Yoga. The section clearly > states > > > Tata ji`s experience also > > > > > > "From practical point of view this is not found to be a hindrance > > to > > > progress. I have the horoscopes of a lot of people who have this > so > > > called dosha and are doing quite well in life. One of the most > > > notable exceptions is the horoscope of Jawaharlal Nehru, the late > > > prime minister of India. If someone can rise to that level with > > > kalasarpa yoga, then its not a bad one really!!" > > > > > > Tata ji a small question for you if you dont mind. As stated by > Ash > > > (in his analysis based on Ashtakavarga system "such charts are > > > special and commonsense dictates that when a person is faced with > > > prolonged periods of unhappiness, one can get spiritual and may > > look > > > for hope from the divine") is it ascertain that due to KS yoga > > > analysis(based on Ashtakavarga system) all people will have > > prolonged > > > periods of unhappiness? > > > > > > P.S- Ash i myself dont deny the existense but the experience is > > more > > > profound analysis. > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > , <sptata@a...> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > You can read more about these misconceptions and scary myths > from > > > > http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm > > > > Regards > > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > - > > > > "Hasmukhrai Mehta" <astroclinik> > > > > <> > > > > Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:02 AM > > > > Re: Re: THE WORST FORM OF KALA SARPA,, HELP > > PLEASE... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > I did not mean to negate the existence of "Kalsarpa Yoga" and > > its > > > > results.The purpose of my posting was to know the source or the > > > astrologer > > > > who discovered this yoga. Even after all we know about it, my > > query > > > still > > > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sriganeshh, Hasmukhrai and list members, > > > > > > > > > > The source might not be known but think about the application. > > > > > When planets all 7 planets are on one side of the chart then > > the > > > SAV > > > > > distribution might pan out in such a way that one side of the > > > chart > > > > > has contiguous houses with > 28 bindus or benefic and othe > > other > > > side > > > > > will have less than 28 bindus or altest a serise of > contigious > > > houses > > > > > with more points and a seriese with less than 28. > > > > > > > > > > In that case when Malefics transit over such houses the > results > > > will > > > > > be prolonged till it hits say a house with more points. > > > > > So such charts are special and commonsense dictates that when > a > > > > > person is faced with prolonged periods of unhappiness however > > > > > whichever way you may define happiness, one can get spiritual > > and > > > may > > > > > look for hope from the divine. > > > > > > > > > > Just because its not been given in standard texts it does not > > mean > > > > > that such a thing may not exist. Even a great classic like > BPHS > > is > > > > > not complete and there are chapters missing. > > > > > > > > > > Yes there can be that some money hungry or faud's in the garb > of > > > > > astrologers may use such fear causing names or celesital > > > phenemons > > > > > to instill fear in a person and try to make money off such > > people. > > > > > Similar is the case with Sade-Sati or Kuja Dosha etc. Yes > such > > > > > things do exists but not necessarily bad in all cases. > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > , "sriganeshh" > > > > > <sriganeshh> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > source is not known...but will try to post whenever i come > > > > > > across...but the case on thread....does not have kalasarpa > > yoga. > > > > > > Basically kalasarpa or kalaamrit yoga means all the planets > > are > > > > > > placed in between the rahu and ketu or ketu and rahu > > > > > > respectively...My personal view is one need not worry about > > > > > kalasarpa > > > > > > yoga as it is not bad as it made out to be...so many > > successful > > > > > > people have kalasarpa yoga on their chart....only concerned > > > person > > > > > > have to be very careful during the dasa period (maha/antar) > of > > > > > either > > > > > > of sarpa planets. This is in fact gives one success after > much > > > > > > effort..that is all... > > > > > > > > > > > > One more personal view is almost all planets are good only > > and > > > no > > > > > > planet is bad as such...it all depends on your past > karma...it > > > > > plays. > > > > > > If one understands it...does follow his customs and > practices > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > core...none of the planets harm one...like brahmins do > trikala > > > > > > sandhya vandhanam....which protects them from all planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > may be my view is based on overall...consideration...please > > dont > > > > > > panic and get tension. > > > > > > > > > > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > > > > > > > , Hasmukhrai Mehta > > > > > > <astroclinik> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a single classical authority including Varah Mihir, > > > > > Parashara, > > > > > > Vaidyanatha, Mantreshwar, Kallyana Verma and Bhattotpala has > > > > > > mentioned this "Kalasarpa Yoga" in his works. Will somebody > > give > > > > > the > > > > > > source of this yoga ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mssodhi_in <mssodhi_in> wrote: > > > > > > > Sir, I am a novice, I would say nobody for this field but > > one > > > > > thing > > > > > > I > > > > > > > can say for sure panic (posting repeatedly at short > > intervals) > > > > > does > > > > > > > not bring any good effects also I feel that you should > > thank > > > for > > > > > > what > > > > > > > you have, as many in this world are even deprived of > > > that,lastly > > > > > > > think about the stars under which lord > > > > > > > ShriKrishna was born with parents in jail, mamma thirsty > > for > > > his > > > > > > > blood and so on. > > > > > > > Have faith there are lot of learned people here and I am > > sure > > > > > some > > > > > > > will definitely guide. > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > Manjeet. > > > > > > > > i have the worst form of kala- sarpa dosha with all > > planets > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > rahu in ninth to ketu in third. > > > > > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > > > > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > > > > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ascendent or First House is Scorpio > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Second House is Sagittarius > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Third House is Capricorn > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Forth House is Aquarius > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Fifth House is Pisces > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Sixth House is Aries > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Seventh House is Taurus > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Eighth House is Gemini > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ninth House is Cancer > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Tenth House is Leo > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Eleventh House is Virgo > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Twelfth House is Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, Uranus is/are located in my First House. > > > > > > > > Neptune, Venus is/are located in my Second House. > > > > > > > > Ketu is/are located in my Third House. > > > > > > > > Rahu is/are located in my Ninth House. > > > > > > > > Mars is/are located in my Tenth House. > > > > > > > > Saturn is/are located in my Eleventh House. > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Mercury, Moon, Pluto is/are located in my > Twelfth > > > > > House. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL THE EFFECTS OD SUCH A HOROSCOPE > > > > > > > > AND REMEDY TOO. > > > > > > > > THANKS A LOT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Well to talk about karma effects...in this forum itself it was said once that all the 'phal' is predestined and to get those predestined 'phal' people do predestined 'karma'. Isnt that right? Manoshi , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Actually -- the lunar nodes are not even 'shadowy' planets as stated > in classics, but mere mathematical points. Even shadow has a body, > which nodes do not! ;-) > > RR > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > <gauravkom> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I also wasnt referring to any particular yoga discussed in > > your reply my meaning was when planets are one side(according to > > S.A.V depending upon the bindus). And there are also medium effects > > which i hope you are aware of, the defination and the meaning. > > > > And thanks for letting me know, Rahu and Ketu are not planets and > > they are shadowy grahas. I would have never come to know about the > > same until your intervention. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" <ashsam73> > > wrote: > > > Dear Gaurav, Tata and list memebers, > > > > > > Tata : I just went through your link. Yes, its a wonderful > > article. > > > It reflects what I was trying to say. Thank you. > > > > > > Gaurav : I am not talking of such yogs by name. Call it Kal Sarp > > Yog > > > or Kal Amrit Yog. My reference was planets on one side of the > > > horoscopes. Rahu and Ketu are not planets. They are shadowy > > > grahas. Hence I have mentioned only 7 planets. > > > > > > Now lets take Nehrus chart. The data I have is > > > > > > November 14, 1889, > > > 11:21 pm > > > 81E52 > > > 25N28 > > > > > > If you cast the chart this chart demonstrates what I was talking > > > about in my mail using Krushnas Ashtakvarg System. > > > > > > If you see SAV points from 11th house to 4th house i.e 6 > contigious > > > houses the points are greater than 30 i.e. 35,30,30,31,33,30. > > > > > > After that you get 5th house with 22 points and then 6th house > > again > > > goes up to 32 bindus. > > > > > > From 7th through 10th house the bindus are low i.e. 18, 24, 26, > > 26. > > > > > > So here when planets are transitting house with more than 28 > bindus > > > they will give good results.. and here there are 6 houses one > after > > > the other so it will give good results for prolong period > depending > > > on planets transitting. > > > > > > On the flip side when planets transit over Nehrus 7th through > 10th > > > house i.e 4 houses it will give more difficult results or rather > > > prolonged. > > > > > > SAV (Sarvashtakvarg) automatically takes care of such things and > > > actually we dont have to consider yogs or their contras atleast > > when > > > using Ashtakvarg system. > > > > > > Now compare this chart of Nehru with the chart that was given in > > the > > > first thread. I think it will be clear. > > > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > Here in this chart if u see points from 12th through 7th except > for > > > 4th house i.e. from 12th house he has 22, 26, 23, 24, 34, 26, 26, > > 27. > > > > > > Other factors in the above chart is the Venus to Sun distance is > > > > > 43deg20, Guru in libra, Shani with moon, Venus in dwshaba rashi, > > 6th > > > lord in 10th etc etc... > > > > > > Its was a good discussion. Thanks. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > Nice link given by Tata ji maybe Ash should have > a > > > > look at the section for Kal Sarpa Yoga. The section clearly > > states > > > > Tata ji`s experience also > > > > > > > > "From practical point of view this is not found to be a > hindrance > > > to > > > > progress. I have the horoscopes of a lot of people who have > this > > so > > > > called dosha and are doing quite well in life. One of the most > > > > notable exceptions is the horoscope of Jawaharlal Nehru, the > late > > > > prime minister of India. If someone can rise to that level with > > > > kalasarpa yoga, then its not a bad one really!!" > > > > > > > > Tata ji a small question for you if you dont mind. As stated by > > Ash > > > > (in his analysis based on Ashtakavarga system "such charts are > > > > special and commonsense dictates that when a person is faced > with > > > > prolonged periods of unhappiness, one can get spiritual and may > > > look > > > > for hope from the divine") is it ascertain that due to KS yoga > > > > analysis(based on Ashtakavarga system) all people will have > > > prolonged > > > > periods of unhappiness? > > > > > > > > P.S- Ash i myself dont deny the existense but the experience is > > > more > > > > profound analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > , <sptata@a...> wrote: > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > You can read more about these misconceptions and scary myths > > from > > > > > http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm > > > > > Regards > > > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > > - > > > > > "Hasmukhrai Mehta" <astroclinik> > > > > > <> > > > > > Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:02 AM > > > > > Re: Re: THE WORST FORM OF KALA SARPA,, HELP > > > PLEASE... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not mean to negate the existence of "Kalsarpa Yoga" > and > > > its > > > > > results.The purpose of my posting was to know the source or > the > > > > astrologer > > > > > who discovered this yoga. Even after all we know about it, my > > > query > > > > still > > > > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sriganeshh, Hasmukhrai and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > The source might not be known but think about the > application. > > > > > > When planets all 7 planets are on one side of the chart > then > > > the > > > > SAV > > > > > > distribution might pan out in such a way that one side of > the > > > > chart > > > > > > has contiguous houses with > 28 bindus or benefic and othe > > > other > > > > side > > > > > > will have less than 28 bindus or altest a serise of > > contigious > > > > houses > > > > > > with more points and a seriese with less than 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case when Malefics transit over such houses the > > results > > > > will > > > > > > be prolonged till it hits say a house with more points. > > > > > > So such charts are special and commonsense dictates that > when > > a > > > > > > person is faced with prolonged periods of unhappiness > however > > > > > > whichever way you may define happiness, one can get > spiritual > > > and > > > > may > > > > > > look for hope from the divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because its not been given in standard texts it does > not > > > mean > > > > > > that such a thing may not exist. Even a great classic like > > BPHS > > > is > > > > > > not complete and there are chapters missing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there can be that some money hungry or faud's in the > garb > > of > > > > > > astrologers may use such fear causing names or celesital > > > > phenemons > > > > > > to instill fear in a person and try to make money off such > > > people. > > > > > > Similar is the case with Sade-Sati or Kuja Dosha etc. Yes > > such > > > > > > things do exists but not necessarily bad in all cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sriganeshh" > > > > > > <sriganeshh> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > source is not known...but will try to post whenever i come > > > > > > > across...but the case on thread....does not have > kalasarpa > > > yoga. > > > > > > > Basically kalasarpa or kalaamrit yoga means all the > planets > > > are > > > > > > > placed in between the rahu and ketu or ketu and rahu > > > > > > > respectively...My personal view is one need not worry > about > > > > > > kalasarpa > > > > > > > yoga as it is not bad as it made out to be...so many > > > successful > > > > > > > people have kalasarpa yoga on their chart....only > concerned > > > > person > > > > > > > have to be very careful during the dasa period > (maha/antar) > > of > > > > > > either > > > > > > > of sarpa planets. This is in fact gives one success after > > much > > > > > > > effort..that is all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more personal view is almost all planets are good > only > > > and > > > > no > > > > > > > planet is bad as such...it all depends on your past > > karma...it > > > > > > plays. > > > > > > > If one understands it...does follow his customs and > > practices > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > core...none of the planets harm one...like brahmins do > > trikala > > > > > > > sandhya vandhanam....which protects them from all planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be my view is based on > overall...consideration...please > > > dont > > > > > > > panic and get tension. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Hasmukhrai Mehta > > > > > > > <astroclinik> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a single classical authority including Varah Mihir, > > > > > > Parashara, > > > > > > > Vaidyanatha, Mantreshwar, Kallyana Verma and Bhattotpala > has > > > > > > > mentioned this "Kalasarpa Yoga" in his works. Will > somebody > > > give > > > > > > the > > > > > > > source of this yoga ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mssodhi_in <mssodhi_in> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, I am a novice, I would say nobody for this field > but > > > one > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > can say for sure panic (posting repeatedly at short > > > intervals) > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not bring any good effects also I feel that you should > > > thank > > > > for > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > you have, as many in this world are even deprived of > > > > that,lastly > > > > > > > > think about the stars under which lord > > > > > > > > ShriKrishna was born with parents in jail, mamma > thirsty > > > for > > > > his > > > > > > > > blood and so on. > > > > > > > > Have faith there are lot of learned people here and I > am > > > sure > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > will definitely guide. > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > Manjeet. > > > > > > > > > i have the worst form of kala- sarpa dosha with all > > > planets > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > rahu in ninth to ketu in third. > > > > > > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > > > > > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > > > > > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ascendent or First House is Scorpio > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Second House is Sagittarius > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Third House is Capricorn > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Forth House is Aquarius > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Fifth House is Pisces > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Sixth House is Aries > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Seventh House is Taurus > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Eighth House is Gemini > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ninth House is Cancer > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Tenth House is Leo > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Eleventh House is Virgo > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Twelfth House is Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, Uranus is/are located in my First House. > > > > > > > > > Neptune, Venus is/are located in my Second House. > > > > > > > > > Ketu is/are located in my Third House. > > > > > > > > > Rahu is/are located in my Ninth House. > > > > > > > > > Mars is/are located in my Tenth House. > > > > > > > > > Saturn is/are located in my Eleventh House. > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Mercury, Moon, Pluto is/are located in my > > Twelfth > > > > > > House. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL THE EFFECTS OD SUCH A HOROSCOPE > > > > > > > > > AND REMEDY TOO. > > > > > > > > > THANKS A LOT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Dear Gaurav, This has been put quite well, I am impressed! There is however one sheard of confusion in me tghat I would like to put forward .. Are we saying that our present life is a sum total of all karmas? or saying that the present life is one of the lives we have to have before we expreience all the past karma?? The issue is deeper than I am presenting it just think it over because it has it's own implications as we try to answer this ... Just to share my own view: Prarabhda karma is something that we get by indulging in activities that are decidedly right or wrong when judged from the point of view of dharma .. and like justice this cannot be altered Sanchita karma is activities we were involved in which impressions of bad or good have been gathered (samskaras as u say) but out actions were not either directly wrong or right ... and hence the effect can be modified to a good degree ... Kriyamana karma is our free will to take current actions to change our current life situation. Agama Karma – This is our free will to make a plan or set an intention to take an action in the future. The bottomline is .. if the impressions on the mind vanish ... so does the karma ... if impressions cease to be formed on the mind so does karma cease to form !! this is the bottomline of most yogas ... both sat and ku karmas should be destroyed for liberation !! good show ! --- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom wrote: > Dear Inder, > Good question but it is a vast subject to > be discussed in > a forum. Here is a small effort to discuss the > meaning of it. First > some basics before we discuss about the effects. > Karma first came > into being as a concept in Hinduism, largely based > on the Vedas and > Upanishads. One of the first and most dramatic > illustrations of Karma > can be found in the great Hindu epic, the > Mahabharata. The original > Hindu concept of karma was later enhanced by several > other movements > within the religion, most notably Vedanta, Yoga, and > Tantra. > > Hinduism sees karma as immutable law with > involuntary and voluntary > acts being part of a more intricate system of cause > and effect that > is often not comprehensible to one bound by karma. > It is the goal of > the Hindu, as expressed succinctly in the Bhagavad > Gita, to embrace > a 'sattvic' lifestyle and thus avoid creating more > karma (karma is > not qualified as good or bad). By ceasing to create > more karma, the > jiva-atma or individual soul is able to move closer > to moksha, or > liberation. To the Hindu, karma is the law of the > phenomenal cosmos > that is part and parcel of living within the > dimensions of time and > space. All actions, thoughts, vibrations of any > sort, are governed by > a law that demands perfect rebound. So all > jiva-atmas (individual > souls) must experience karma if they live and > experience the > phenomenal universe. To escape the cycle of life, > death and rebirth, > one must exhaust one's karma and realize one's true > Self as the > highest truth of Oneness that is Brahman (or for > dvaitists(dualists) > bliss with the Supreme Godhead). > > In Hinduism, karma is of three kinds: > > Prarabadha Karma > This karma is unchangeable within the scope of one > life, since it is > the 'setup' for the life in question. It is the > karma of one's past > lives. After death, the atma leaves the body, as the > casting off of > old vestments, and carries with it the samskaras > (impressions) of the > past life of thoughts and actions and events. These > samskaras > manifest themselves in the unchangeable situation > into which one is > born and certain key events in one's life. These > include one's time > of death (seen as governed by an allotment from > birth of the total > number of one's breaths for that life), one's > economic status, one's > family (or lack of family), one's body type and > look: essentially, > the setting of one's birth, the initial base. > > Samchita Karma > The samskaras that one inherits from the last lives > create one's > personality, inclinations, talents, the things that > make up one's > persona. One's likings, abilities, attitudes and > inclinations are > based on the thoughts and actions of past lives. > One's samchita karma > is somewhat alterable through practice and effort > towards change. > This might be seen through the Hindu system of yoga > and the dynamic > of the gunas. An example would be someone who, > through meditation, > slowly evolved into a more stable personality. > > Agami Karma > Agami karma is the karma of the present life over > which the soul has > complete control. Through it one creates one's karma > in the present > for the future of the current life and in life-times > to come. > > The Hindu cannot say, sometimes, if a major event in > life is the > doing of Prarabadha or Agami Karma. The idea of "bad > things happening > to good people" is seen by the Hindu as a result of > Prarabadha Karma, > more simply understood as karma from a past life. > > In Hinduism, karma works within a cyclical framework > that sees the > phenomenal universe being created and eventually > dissolving back into > itself, back into realization that it was nothing > other than Maya > imposed on the truth of Brahman. So Karma will > eventually be worked > out. Karma does allow for anirudh (Divine Grace). > Through exceeding > devotion and love of God, the Hindu believes one can > be helped to > speed through Karma phal (Karmic fruit). By > developing 'vairagya' > or 'detachment' from the fruits of one's karma, as > Lord Krishna most > famously summarized, one can transcend karma and be > liberated. One is > aided by love of God. All the Yogas of Hinduism seek > to transcend > karma through different means of realization. > > Now coming to the question of (strong) Karmic > effect,in simple terms > (e.g KS yoga) it means that the person is likely to > face events which > may come all of a sudden. Now pointers to these > events is reflected > in the types of KS yoga. We get indicators (like > possibility of court > cases) for a specific type of KS yoga. The answer in > preventing such > a change taking place lies in the expressions of > each individual. The > expression of a thought is the expression of a > feeling which is > answered through Understanding. Understanding and > counter- acting the > effects of Kala Sarpa Yoga needs a person to move > towards his higher > self. > > KS yoga is one such consideration for such an > effect. There are other > instances also which form a strong Karmic effect. > And it is better to > let the topic stay inside boundaries, for if we try > to explore then > it will go towards the horizon. > > > Gaurav > > > , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Please forgive me once again and please tell me > what is the meaning > > of Karmic effect. I really dont know. What is > strong current of > > Karmic effect. Is it applicable to KS yoga only?? > > Inder > > > > -- In , "Gaurav > Sharma" > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > Dear Inder, > > > First of all there are two > indications that needs to > be > > > understood. The karmic effects is a general > effect of the KS yoga > > > irrespective of the type of it. And the types of > the yoga are > only > > > indications to a certain direction, it does not > necassarily mean > > that > > > he will suffer from court cases upto a certain > age. I hope you > get > > > the difference between the general explaination > and a pointer to > a > > > specific kind of KS yoga. Moreover i dont > consider it as bad as > > Karma > > > is not to be ignorned whether strong or medium > or normal. The > > person > > > who is facing it should realize the importance > of it. > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Dear Surya, The different levels of karmas and their nature, satvic, rajasic or tamasic, have to be taken into consideration. Besides the four different types and three different qualities of karmas, there is also three variable intensities of karmas : Dridha karma which is fixed and extremely difficult to avoid, Dridha-Adridha karma which is changeable through consistent efforts and finally there is the Adridha karma which is easily changeable through simple actions. The four types of karmas are: 1) sanchita karma : is the sum of all past actions performed in this lifetime and past lives. 2) prarabdha karma : is the part of sanchita karma which is going to be experienced during this lifetime. 3) kriyamana karma : is what we are currently creating through our choices right now. It is our creativity that is unfolding, it is our « free will ». 4) agama karma : is the actions that we are planning for the future. Actions that will or will not be achieved depending on the choices that we are making now and those that we have made in the past. This might answer and complete Gaurav's email Best regards Yves Decarie coordinator www.yajna.com - "surya vishnubhotla" <surya_prakashv <> Monday, July 05, 2004 10:15 AM Re: Re: Myths & Misconceptions in astrology > Dear Gaurav, > > This has been put quite well, I am impressed! > > There is however one sheard of confusion in me tghat I > would like to put forward .. > > Are we saying that our present life is a sum total of > all karmas? or saying that the present life is one of > the lives we have to have before we expreience all the > past karma?? The issue is deeper than I am presenting > it just think it over because it has it's own > implications as we try to answer this ... > > Just to share my own view: > Prarabhda karma is something that we get by indulging > in activities that are decidedly right or wrong when > judged from the point of view of dharma .. and like > justice this cannot be altered > > Sanchita karma is activities we were involved in which > impressions of bad or good have been gathered > (samskaras as u say) but out actions were not either > directly wrong or right ... and hence the effect can > be modified to a good degree ... > > Kriyamana karma is our free will to take current > actions to change our current life situation. > > Agama Karma - This is our free will to make a plan or > set an intention to take an action in the future. > > The bottomline is .. if the impressions on the mind > vanish ... so does the karma ... if impressions cease > to be formed on the mind so does karma cease to form > !! > this is the bottomline of most yogas ... both sat and > ku karmas should be destroyed for liberation !! > > good show ! > > > > > --- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom wrote: > > Dear Inder, > > Good question but it is a vast subject to > > be discussed in > > a forum. Here is a small effort to discuss the > > meaning of it. First > > some basics before we discuss about the effects. > > Karma first came > > into being as a concept in Hinduism, largely based > > on the Vedas and > > Upanishads. One of the first and most dramatic > > illustrations of Karma > > can be found in the great Hindu epic, the > > Mahabharata. The original > > Hindu concept of karma was later enhanced by several > > other movements > > within the religion, most notably Vedanta, Yoga, and > > Tantra. > > > > Hinduism sees karma as immutable law with > > involuntary and voluntary > > acts being part of a more intricate system of cause > > and effect that > > is often not comprehensible to one bound by karma. > > It is the goal of > > the Hindu, as expressed succinctly in the Bhagavad > > Gita, to embrace > > a 'sattvic' lifestyle and thus avoid creating more > > karma (karma is > > not qualified as good or bad). By ceasing to create > > more karma, the > > jiva-atma or individual soul is able to move closer > > to moksha, or > > liberation. To the Hindu, karma is the law of the > > phenomenal cosmos > > that is part and parcel of living within the > > dimensions of time and > > space. All actions, thoughts, vibrations of any > > sort, are governed by > > a law that demands perfect rebound. So all > > jiva-atmas (individual > > souls) must experience karma if they live and > > experience the > > phenomenal universe. To escape the cycle of life, > > death and rebirth, > > one must exhaust one's karma and realize one's true > > Self as the > > highest truth of Oneness that is Brahman (or for > > dvaitists(dualists) > > bliss with the Supreme Godhead). > > > > In Hinduism, karma is of three kinds: > > > > Prarabadha Karma > > This karma is unchangeable within the scope of one > > life, since it is > > the 'setup' for the life in question. It is the > > karma of one's past > > lives. After death, the atma leaves the body, as the > > casting off of > > old vestments, and carries with it the samskaras > > (impressions) of the > > past life of thoughts and actions and events. These > > samskaras > > manifest themselves in the unchangeable situation > > into which one is > > born and certain key events in one's life. These > > include one's time > > of death (seen as governed by an allotment from > > birth of the total > > number of one's breaths for that life), one's > > economic status, one's > > family (or lack of family), one's body type and > > look: essentially, > > the setting of one's birth, the initial base. > > > > Samchita Karma > > The samskaras that one inherits from the last lives > > create one's > > personality, inclinations, talents, the things that > > make up one's > > persona. One's likings, abilities, attitudes and > > inclinations are > > based on the thoughts and actions of past lives. > > One's samchita karma > > is somewhat alterable through practice and effort > > towards change. > > This might be seen through the Hindu system of yoga > > and the dynamic > > of the gunas. An example would be someone who, > > through meditation, > > slowly evolved into a more stable personality. > > > > Agami Karma > > Agami karma is the karma of the present life over > > which the soul has > > complete control. Through it one creates one's karma > > in the present > > for the future of the current life and in life-times > > to come. > > > > The Hindu cannot say, sometimes, if a major event in > > life is the > > doing of Prarabadha or Agami Karma. The idea of "bad > > things happening > > to good people" is seen by the Hindu as a result of > > Prarabadha Karma, > > more simply understood as karma from a past life. > > > > In Hinduism, karma works within a cyclical framework > > that sees the > > phenomenal universe being created and eventually > > dissolving back into > > itself, back into realization that it was nothing > > other than Maya > > imposed on the truth of Brahman. So Karma will > > eventually be worked > > out. Karma does allow for anirudh (Divine Grace). > > Through exceeding > > devotion and love of God, the Hindu believes one can > > be helped to > > speed through Karma phal (Karmic fruit). By > > developing 'vairagya' > > or 'detachment' from the fruits of one's karma, as > > Lord Krishna most > > famously summarized, one can transcend karma and be > > liberated. One is > > aided by love of God. All the Yogas of Hinduism seek > > to transcend > > karma through different means of realization. > > > > Now coming to the question of (strong) Karmic > > effect,in simple terms > > (e.g KS yoga) it means that the person is likely to > > face events which > > may come all of a sudden. Now pointers to these > > events is reflected > > in the types of KS yoga. We get indicators (like > > possibility of court > > cases) for a specific type of KS yoga. The answer in > > preventing such > > a change taking place lies in the expressions of > > each individual. The > > expression of a thought is the expression of a > > feeling which is > > answered through Understanding. Understanding and > > counter- acting the > > effects of Kala Sarpa Yoga needs a person to move > > towards his higher > > self. > > > > KS yoga is one such consideration for such an > > effect. There are other > > instances also which form a strong Karmic effect. > > And it is better to > > let the topic stay inside boundaries, for if we try > > to explore then > > it will go towards the horizon. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > , "Inder" > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > Please forgive me once again and please tell me > > what is the meaning > > > of Karmic effect. I really dont know. What is > > strong current of > > > Karmic effect. Is it applicable to KS yoga only?? > > > Inder > > > > > > -- In , "Gaurav > > Sharma" > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > First of all there are two > > indications that needs to > > be > > > > understood. The karmic effects is a general > > effect of the KS yoga > > > > irrespective of the type of it. And the types of > > the yoga are > > only > > > > indications to a certain direction, it does not > > necassarily mean > > > that > > > > he will suffer from court cases upto a certain > > age. I hope you > > get > > > > the difference between the general explaination > > and a pointer to > > a > > > > specific kind of KS yoga. Moreover i dont > > consider it as bad as > > > Karma > > > > is not to be ignorned whether strong or medium > > or normal. The > > > person > > > > who is facing it should realize the importance > > of it. > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > Links > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Dear Surya, Some good thoughts but try to ponder on the possibility on a person if he/she remembers all the past actions in the previos births. Perhaps the answer lies in the question itself. Now coming to your questions -Are we saying that our present life is a sum total of all karmas? or saying that the present life is one of the lives we have to have before we expreience all the past karma?? Karma means that whatever actions an individual has undertaken both in this lifetime and in previous lives', he or she will experience the results of those actions in the present or later. Essentially, karma is part of a cosmic law which states that whatever efforts a person puts out to the world, (including his or her interactions with others) these efforts will be returned to that person for better or worse, depending on the attitude and behavior that the person originally expressed.We are constantly creating new karmas through our current actions and reaping the benefits of past karmas, as well as paying the price for actions of the past. -both sat and ku karmas should be destroyed for liberation Indeed a good thought but it needs to be explored for more deeper meaning. The Mandal 10 Sukta 129 of Rigveda speaks – "Na Sat Aseet Na Asat Aseet, Na Mrituyu Aseet Na Amritam." This is the description after the final destruction of the universe and before the next creation, i.e. of the time gap where no creation existed. That is why the God preaches in this Mantra that there was no Sat, i.e. Almighty God was there but His power, which is called "Sat" here, was not in action to create universe. And therefore, Asat didn't exist there. Asat means that the previous creation, that is, earth, moon, air, space, etc. because it was the time gap after the previous final destruction of the universe and before the next creation. "Na Mrityuhu Asset Na Amritam". Amritam means final liberation of the soul. When there was no birth and death, therefore, there was no question of any salvation. Again the mantra says "Tat Ekam" i.e. one truth (God). "Swadhya" i.e. Swayambhu. "Avatum" i.e. without requiring air etc. to live upon. "Aaseet" i.e. was there. Its meaning is that between the gap stated above, there was only Almighty God present who requires nothing to live upon, neither requires any assistance of organs etc. To see, listen and walk etc. and especially because God is called swadhya (Swayambhu) which means that nobody has made the God and therefore God Himself is without reasoning. Almighty God has clearly preached that universe is made of non-alive Prakriti, souls get bodies in accordance with their karmas and God is within souls, and prakriti made the universe. In the mantra 3 of the Sukta 129(Yajurveda), there was another eternal truth called (Aabhu Aseet) "AABHU" (Prakriti) which is the cause of creation of universe. That is called AABHU (Prakirti) a substance was also there, which is used for creation. "Tat Mahina" i.e. from this ABHU (Prakirti), a Mahat (mind) originated which was the first substance created at the time of beginning of the earth. Mandal 10 of Rigveda Mantra cited above further says, in Mantra 5, Sukta 129 – "Retodhana Aasan". "Ret" means the first seed of desire orinated in mind (Mann in Hindi) at the beginning of the earth, as stated in Mantra 4, Sukta 129. "Retodhaha" means orinally the desire are held by alive souls. So the mantra says that the second truth, before creation, was alive souls and souls were "Mahimaanaha Aasan" i.e. souls were countless, "Eshan Rashmihi" i.e. the souls were bound with previous karmas, therefore were waiting for the next birth in new creation. So this is the second eternal truth called souls. Creation from Prakriti and final destruction at the stipulated time is called "Sansar Chakra" and this Chakra according to Yajurveda Mantra 31/3 remains in one part (Padah Asya Vishwa Bhutani) power of Almighty God, as also said in Geeta Shloka 10/42. In this Sansaar Chakra, the eternal soul due to attachment with worldly affairs made of Prakriti, is wandering (birth and death) in sorrows, problem, etc. A spiritual master when preaches the aspirant, then only the soul recollect his eternal stage. You should have got some insight to the answer to your question. Talking about liberation is another aspect. Now some texts do describe the path to liberation. Beliefs as to how moksha may be achieved differ considerably from tradition to tradition. Overall, three distinct approaches or margas (Sanskrit: paths) are recognized: Karma Marga ("the path of action"): This path draws its inspiration from the Vedas and the teachings of Brahmans. It does not require one to pay visit to a temple or shrine or anything of the sort. All that is required is behaviour that results in the resolution of one's karma. Jnana Marga ("the path of knowledge"): intense meditation and self- reflection. This path draws its inspiration from the Upanishads and the gurus that teach them. Bhakti Marga ("the path of devotion"): this breed is more popular than the difficult second path. It is the identification of a worshipper with a particular God. In effect, it is the total devotion to a single God, usually Rama or Krishna. The first great text of "devotionalism" is the Bhagavad Gita ("The Song of God"). Krishna appears in this text and says: "only with love can you come to me". The discussion can go on but the meaning is that we might have lost our previous memories but is that important. Or should that be the only standpoint for also erasing our previous karma. Gaurav , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Dear Gaurav, > > This has been put quite well, I am impressed! > > There is however one sheard of confusion in me tghat I > would like to put forward .. > > Are we saying that our present life is a sum total of > all karmas? or saying that the present life is one of > the lives we have to have before we expreience all the > past karma?? The issue is deeper than I am presenting > it just think it over because it has it's own > implications as we try to answer this ... > > Just to share my own view: > Prarabhda karma is something that we get by indulging > in activities that are decidedly right or wrong when > judged from the point of view of dharma .. and like > justice this cannot be altered > > Sanchita karma is activities we were involved in which > impressions of bad or good have been gathered > (samskaras as u say) but out actions were not either > directly wrong or right ... and hence the effect can > be modified to a good degree ... > > Kriyamana karma is our free will to take current > actions to change our current life situation. > > Agama Karma – This is our free will to make a plan or > set an intention to take an action in the future. > > The bottomline is .. if the impressions on the mind > vanish ... so does the karma ... if impressions cease > to be formed on the mind so does karma cease to form > !! > this is the bottomline of most yogas ... both sat and > ku karmas should be destroyed for liberation !! > > good show ! > > > > > --- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom> wrote: > > Dear Inder, > > Good question but it is a vast subject to > > be discussed in > > a forum. Here is a small effort to discuss the > > meaning of it. First > > some basics before we discuss about the effects. > > Karma first came > > into being as a concept in Hinduism, largely based > > on the Vedas and > > Upanishads. One of the first and most dramatic > > illustrations of Karma > > can be found in the great Hindu epic, the > > Mahabharata. The original > > Hindu concept of karma was later enhanced by several > > other movements > > within the religion, most notably Vedanta, Yoga, and > > Tantra. > > > > Hinduism sees karma as immutable law with > > involuntary and voluntary > > acts being part of a more intricate system of cause > > and effect that > > is often not comprehensible to one bound by karma. > > It is the goal of > > the Hindu, as expressed succinctly in the Bhagavad > > Gita, to embrace > > a 'sattvic' lifestyle and thus avoid creating more > > karma (karma is > > not qualified as good or bad). By ceasing to create > > more karma, the > > jiva-atma or individual soul is able to move closer > > to moksha, or > > liberation. To the Hindu, karma is the law of the > > phenomenal cosmos > > that is part and parcel of living within the > > dimensions of time and > > space. All actions, thoughts, vibrations of any > > sort, are governed by > > a law that demands perfect rebound. So all > > jiva-atmas (individual > > souls) must experience karma if they live and > > experience the > > phenomenal universe. To escape the cycle of life, > > death and rebirth, > > one must exhaust one's karma and realize one's true > > Self as the > > highest truth of Oneness that is Brahman (or for > > dvaitists(dualists) > > bliss with the Supreme Godhead). > > > > In Hinduism, karma is of three kinds: > > > > Prarabadha Karma > > This karma is unchangeable within the scope of one > > life, since it is > > the 'setup' for the life in question. It is the > > karma of one's past > > lives. After death, the atma leaves the body, as the > > casting off of > > old vestments, and carries with it the samskaras > > (impressions) of the > > past life of thoughts and actions and events. These > > samskaras > > manifest themselves in the unchangeable situation > > into which one is > > born and certain key events in one's life. These > > include one's time > > of death (seen as governed by an allotment from > > birth of the total > > number of one's breaths for that life), one's > > economic status, one's > > family (or lack of family), one's body type and > > look: essentially, > > the setting of one's birth, the initial base. > > > > Samchita Karma > > The samskaras that one inherits from the last lives > > create one's > > personality, inclinations, talents, the things that > > make up one's > > persona. One's likings, abilities, attitudes and > > inclinations are > > based on the thoughts and actions of past lives. > > One's samchita karma > > is somewhat alterable through practice and effort > > towards change. > > This might be seen through the Hindu system of yoga > > and the dynamic > > of the gunas. An example would be someone who, > > through meditation, > > slowly evolved into a more stable personality. > > > > Agami Karma > > Agami karma is the karma of the present life over > > which the soul has > > complete control. Through it one creates one's karma > > in the present > > for the future of the current life and in life-times > > to come. > > > > The Hindu cannot say, sometimes, if a major event in > > life is the > > doing of Prarabadha or Agami Karma. The idea of "bad > > things happening > > to good people" is seen by the Hindu as a result of > > Prarabadha Karma, > > more simply understood as karma from a past life. > > > > In Hinduism, karma works within a cyclical framework > > that sees the > > phenomenal universe being created and eventually > > dissolving back into > > itself, back into realization that it was nothing > > other than Maya > > imposed on the truth of Brahman. So Karma will > > eventually be worked > > out. Karma does allow for anirudh (Divine Grace). > > Through exceeding > > devotion and love of God, the Hindu believes one can > > be helped to > > speed through Karma phal (Karmic fruit). By > > developing 'vairagya' > > or 'detachment' from the fruits of one's karma, as > > Lord Krishna most > > famously summarized, one can transcend karma and be > > liberated. One is > > aided by love of God. All the Yogas of Hinduism seek > > to transcend > > karma through different means of realization. > > > > Now coming to the question of (strong) Karmic > > effect,in simple terms > > (e.g KS yoga) it means that the person is likely to > > face events which > > may come all of a sudden. Now pointers to these > > events is reflected > > in the types of KS yoga. We get indicators (like > > possibility of court > > cases) for a specific type of KS yoga. The answer in > > preventing such > > a change taking place lies in the expressions of > > each individual. The > > expression of a thought is the expression of a > > feeling which is > > answered through Understanding. Understanding and > > counter- acting the > > effects of Kala Sarpa Yoga needs a person to move > > towards his higher > > self. > > > > KS yoga is one such consideration for such an > > effect. There are other > > instances also which form a strong Karmic effect. > > And it is better to > > let the topic stay inside boundaries, for if we try > > to explore then > > it will go towards the horizon. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > , "Inder" > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > Please forgive me once again and please tell me > > what is the meaning > > > of Karmic effect. I really dont know. What is > > strong current of > > > Karmic effect. Is it applicable to KS yoga only?? > > > Inder > > > > > > -- In , "Gaurav > > Sharma" > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > First of all there are two > > indications that needs to > > be > > > > understood. The karmic effects is a general > > effect of the KS yoga > > > > irrespective of the type of it. And the types of > > the yoga are > > only > > > > indications to a certain direction, it does not > > necassarily mean > > > that > > > > he will suffer from court cases upto a certain > > age. I hope you > > get > > > > the difference between the general explaination > > and a pointer to > > a > > > > specific kind of KS yoga. Moreover i dont > > consider it as bad as > > > Karma > > > > is not to be ignorned whether strong or medium > > or normal. The > > > person > > > > who is facing it should realize the importance > > of it. > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 I could be wrong, Manoshi, but it is my faith that human beings were vested with the ability to consider options and to choose. Therefore, there is a point in time when the human being decides and acts. Perhaps, thereafter, the consequences of such action become less and less dependent or amenable to being modified, but without such a framework in place, I find it difficult to justify the need for or existence of jyotish or for remedies -- two themes on which this group is founded upon and most discussions herein, as well. The very use of 'phal' or fruit for this phenomenon indicates to me that it is a very organic, very growing and live facet of the universe of human experience. The 'seed' and the fruit are inseparable, but still linearly or sequentially connected. It is not egoism if we choose to take the responsibility for our actions and to modify our baser instincts over time as we discipline our thoughts, speech and actions and improve our selves, our beings, our essence. I would much rather have that than the escapism that is inherent in the thinking that we are puppets and have neither a responsibility nor some control or power over what cards we are dealt in life. RR , "khallopapa" <khallopapa> wrote: > Well to talk about karma effects...in this forum itself it was said > once that all the 'phal' is predestined and to get those > predestined 'phal' people do predestined 'karma'. Isnt that right? > > Manoshi > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Actually -- the lunar nodes are not even 'shadowy' planets as > stated > > in classics, but mere mathematical points. Even shadow has a body, > > which nodes do not! ;-) > > > > RR > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > I also wasnt referring to any particular yoga discussed > in > > > your reply my meaning was when planets are one side(according to > > > S.A.V depending upon the bindus). And there are also medium > effects > > > which i hope you are aware of, the defination and the meaning. > > > > > > And thanks for letting me know, Rahu and Ketu are not planets > and > > > they are shadowy grahas. I would have never come to know about > the > > > same until your intervention. > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" > <ashsam73> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Gaurav, Tata and list memebers, > > > > > > > > Tata : I just went through your link. Yes, its a wonderful > > > article. > > > > It reflects what I was trying to say. Thank you. > > > > > > > > Gaurav : I am not talking of such yogs by name. Call it Kal > Sarp > > > Yog > > > > or Kal Amrit Yog. My reference was planets on one side of the > > > > horoscopes. Rahu and Ketu are not planets. They are shadowy > > > > grahas. Hence I have mentioned only 7 planets. > > > > > > > > Now lets take Nehrus chart. The data I have is > > > > > > > > November 14, 1889, > > > > 11:21 pm > > > > 81E52 > > > > 25N28 > > > > > > > > If you cast the chart this chart demonstrates what I was > talking > > > > about in my mail using Krushnas Ashtakvarg System. > > > > > > > > If you see SAV points from 11th house to 4th house i.e 6 > > contigious > > > > houses the points are greater than 30 i.e. 35,30,30,31,33,30. > > > > > > > > After that you get 5th house with 22 points and then 6th house > > > again > > > > goes up to 32 bindus. > > > > > > > > From 7th through 10th house the bindus are low i.e. 18, 24, > 26, > > > 26. > > > > > > > > So here when planets are transitting house with more than 28 > > bindus > > > > they will give good results.. and here there are 6 houses one > > after > > > > the other so it will give good results for prolong period > > depending > > > > on planets transitting. > > > > > > > > On the flip side when planets transit over Nehrus 7th through > > 10th > > > > house i.e 4 houses it will give more difficult results or > rather > > > > prolonged. > > > > > > > > SAV (Sarvashtakvarg) automatically takes care of such things > and > > > > actually we dont have to consider yogs or their contras > atleast > > > when > > > > using Ashtakvarg system. > > > > > > > > Now compare this chart of Nehru with the chart that was given > in > > > the > > > > first thread. I think it will be clear. > > > > > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > > > Here in this chart if u see points from 12th through 7th > except > > for > > > > 4th house i.e. from 12th house he has 22, 26, 23, 24, 34, 26, > 26, > > > 27. > > > > > > > > Other factors in the above chart is the Venus to Sun distance > is > > > > > > > 43deg20, Guru in libra, Shani with moon, Venus in dwshaba > rashi, > > > 6th > > > > lord in 10th etc etc... > > > > > > > > Its was a good discussion. Thanks. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > > Nice link given by Tata ji maybe Ash should > have > > a > > > > > look at the section for Kal Sarpa Yoga. The section clearly > > > states > > > > > Tata ji`s experience also > > > > > > > > > > "From practical point of view this is not found to be a > > hindrance > > > > to > > > > > progress. I have the horoscopes of a lot of people who have > > this > > > so > > > > > called dosha and are doing quite well in life. One of the > most > > > > > notable exceptions is the horoscope of Jawaharlal Nehru, the > > late > > > > > prime minister of India. If someone can rise to that level > with > > > > > kalasarpa yoga, then its not a bad one really!!" > > > > > > > > > > Tata ji a small question for you if you dont mind. As stated > by > > > Ash > > > > > (in his analysis based on Ashtakavarga system "such charts > are > > > > > special and commonsense dictates that when a person is faced > > with > > > > > prolonged periods of unhappiness, one can get spiritual and > may > > > > look > > > > > for hope from the divine") is it ascertain that due to KS > yoga > > > > > analysis(based on Ashtakavarga system) all people will have > > > > prolonged > > > > > periods of unhappiness? > > > > > > > > > > P.S- Ash i myself dont deny the existense but the experience > is > > > > more > > > > > profound analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , <sptata@a...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > You can read more about these misconceptions and scary > myths > > > from > > > > > > http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > > > - > > > > > > "Hasmukhrai Mehta" <astroclinik> > > > > > > <> > > > > > > Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:02 AM > > > > > > Re: Re: THE WORST FORM OF KALA SARPA,, HELP > > > > PLEASE... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not mean to negate the existence of "Kalsarpa > Yoga" > > and > > > > its > > > > > > results.The purpose of my posting was to know the source > or > > the > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > who discovered this yoga. Even after all we know about it, > my > > > > query > > > > > still > > > > > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sriganeshh, Hasmukhrai and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The source might not be known but think about the > > application. > > > > > > > When planets all 7 planets are on one side of the chart > > then > > > > the > > > > > SAV > > > > > > > distribution might pan out in such a way that one side > of > > the > > > > > chart > > > > > > > has contiguous houses with > 28 bindus or benefic and > othe > > > > other > > > > > side > > > > > > > will have less than 28 bindus or altest a serise of > > > contigious > > > > > houses > > > > > > > with more points and a seriese with less than 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case when Malefics transit over such houses the > > > results > > > > > will > > > > > > > be prolonged till it hits say a house with more points. > > > > > > > So such charts are special and commonsense dictates that > > when > > > a > > > > > > > person is faced with prolonged periods of unhappiness > > however > > > > > > > whichever way you may define happiness, one can get > > spiritual > > > > and > > > > > may > > > > > > > look for hope from the divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because its not been given in standard texts it > does > > not > > > > mean > > > > > > > that such a thing may not exist. Even a great classic > like > > > BPHS > > > > is > > > > > > > not complete and there are chapters missing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there can be that some money hungry or faud's in the > > garb > > > of > > > > > > > astrologers may use such fear causing names or > celesital > > > > > phenemons > > > > > > > to instill fear in a person and try to make money off > such > > > > people. > > > > > > > Similar is the case with Sade-Sati or Kuja Dosha etc. > Yes > > > such > > > > > > > things do exists but not necessarily bad in all cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sriganeshh" > > > > > > > <sriganeshh> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > source is not known...but will try to post whenever i > come > > > > > > > > across...but the case on thread....does not have > > kalasarpa > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > Basically kalasarpa or kalaamrit yoga means all the > > planets > > > > are > > > > > > > > placed in between the rahu and ketu or ketu and rahu > > > > > > > > respectively...My personal view is one need not worry > > about > > > > > > > kalasarpa > > > > > > > > yoga as it is not bad as it made out to be...so many > > > > successful > > > > > > > > people have kalasarpa yoga on their chart....only > > concerned > > > > > person > > > > > > > > have to be very careful during the dasa period > > (maha/antar) > > > of > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > of sarpa planets. This is in fact gives one success > after > > > much > > > > > > > > effort..that is all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more personal view is almost all planets are good > > only > > > > and > > > > > no > > > > > > > > planet is bad as such...it all depends on your past > > > karma...it > > > > > > > plays. > > > > > > > > If one understands it...does follow his customs and > > > practices > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > core...none of the planets harm one...like brahmins do > > > trikala > > > > > > > > sandhya vandhanam....which protects them from all > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be my view is based on > > overall...consideration...please > > > > dont > > > > > > > > panic and get tension. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Hasmukhrai > Mehta > > > > > > > > <astroclinik> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a single classical authority including Varah > Mihir, > > > > > > > Parashara, > > > > > > > > Vaidyanatha, Mantreshwar, Kallyana Verma and > Bhattotpala > > has > > > > > > > > mentioned this "Kalasarpa Yoga" in his works. Will > > somebody > > > > give > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > source of this yoga ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mssodhi_in <mssodhi_in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sir, I am a novice, I would say nobody for this > field > > but > > > > one > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > can say for sure panic (posting repeatedly at short > > > > intervals) > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not bring any good effects also I feel that you > should > > > > thank > > > > > for > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > you have, as many in this world are even deprived of > > > > > that,lastly > > > > > > > > > think about the stars under which lord > > > > > > > > > ShriKrishna was born with parents in jail, mamma > > thirsty > > > > for > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > blood and so on. > > > > > > > > > Have faith there are lot of learned people here and > I > > am > > > > sure > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > will definitely guide. > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > Manjeet. > > > > > > > > > > i have the worst form of kala- sarpa dosha with > all > > > > planets > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > rahu in ninth to ketu in third. > > > > > > > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > > > > > > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > > > > > > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ascendent or First House is Scorpio > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Second House is Sagittarius > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Third House is Capricorn > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Forth House is Aquarius > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Fifth House is Pisces > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Sixth House is Aries > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Seventh House is Taurus > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Eighth House is Gemini > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ninth House is Cancer > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Tenth House is Leo > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Eleventh House is Virgo > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Twelfth House is Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, Uranus is/are located in my First House. > > > > > > > > > > Neptune, Venus is/are located in my Second House. > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is/are located in my Third House. > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is/are located in my Ninth House. > > > > > > > > > > Mars is/are located in my Tenth House. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is/are located in my Eleventh House. > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Mercury, Moon, Pluto is/are located in my > > > Twelfth > > > > > > > House. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL THE EFFECTS OD SUCH A HOROSCOPE > > > > > > > > > > AND REMEDY TOO. > > > > > > > > > > THANKS A LOT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 "It is not egoism if we choose to take the responsibility for our actions and to modify our baser instincts over time as we discipline our thoughts, speech and actions and improve our selves, our beings, our essence. I would much rather have that than the escapism that is inherent in the thinking that we are puppets and have neither a responsibility nor some control or power over what cards we are dealt in life." ---Sure, anytime Kaku. Manoshi , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > I could be wrong, Manoshi, but it is my faith that human beings were > vested with the ability to consider options and to choose. Therefore, > there is a point in time when the human being decides and acts. > Perhaps, thereafter, the consequences of such action become less and > less dependent or amenable to being modified, but without such a > framework in place, I find it difficult to justify the need for or > existence of jyotish or for remedies -- two themes on which this > group is founded upon and most discussions herein, as well. The very > use of 'phal' or fruit for this phenomenon indicates to me that it is > a very organic, very growing and live facet of the universe of human > experience. The 'seed' and the fruit are inseparable, but still > linearly or sequentially connected. > > It is not egoism if we choose to take the responsibility for our > actions and to modify our baser instincts over time as we discipline > our thoughts, speech and actions and improve our selves, our beings, > our essence. I would much rather have that than the escapism that is > inherent in the thinking that we are puppets and have neither a > responsibility nor some control or power over what cards we are dealt > in life. > > RR > > , "khallopapa" > <khallopapa> wrote: > > Well to talk about karma effects...in this forum itself it was said > > once that all the 'phal' is predestined and to get those > > predestined 'phal' people do predestined 'karma'. Isnt that right? > > > > Manoshi > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > Actually -- the lunar nodes are not even 'shadowy' planets as > > stated > > > in classics, but mere mathematical points. Even shadow has a > body, > > > which nodes do not! ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > I also wasnt referring to any particular yoga > discussed > > in > > > > your reply my meaning was when planets are one side (according > to > > > > S.A.V depending upon the bindus). And there are also medium > > effects > > > > which i hope you are aware of, the defination and the meaning. > > > > > > > > And thanks for letting me know, Rahu and Ketu are not planets > > and > > > > they are shadowy grahas. I would have never come to know about > > the > > > > same until your intervention. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" > > <ashsam73> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Gaurav, Tata and list memebers, > > > > > > > > > > Tata : I just went through your link. Yes, its a wonderful > > > > article. > > > > > It reflects what I was trying to say. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav : I am not talking of such yogs by name. Call it Kal > > Sarp > > > > Yog > > > > > or Kal Amrit Yog. My reference was planets on one side of > the > > > > > horoscopes. Rahu and Ketu are not planets. They are shadowy > > > > > grahas. Hence I have mentioned only 7 planets. > > > > > > > > > > Now lets take Nehrus chart. The data I have is > > > > > > > > > > November 14, 1889, > > > > > 11:21 pm > > > > > 81E52 > > > > > 25N28 > > > > > > > > > > If you cast the chart this chart demonstrates what I was > > talking > > > > > about in my mail using Krushnas Ashtakvarg System. > > > > > > > > > > If you see SAV points from 11th house to 4th house i.e 6 > > > contigious > > > > > houses the points are greater than 30 i.e. > 35,30,30,31,33,30. > > > > > > > > > > After that you get 5th house with 22 points and then 6th > house > > > > again > > > > > goes up to 32 bindus. > > > > > > > > > > From 7th through 10th house the bindus are low i.e. 18, 24, > > 26, > > > > 26. > > > > > > > > > > So here when planets are transitting house with more than 28 > > > bindus > > > > > they will give good results.. and here there are 6 houses one > > > after > > > > > the other so it will give good results for prolong period > > > depending > > > > > on planets transitting. > > > > > > > > > > On the flip side when planets transit over Nehrus 7th > through > > > 10th > > > > > house i.e 4 houses it will give more difficult results or > > rather > > > > > prolonged. > > > > > > > > > > SAV (Sarvashtakvarg) automatically takes care of such things > > and > > > > > actually we dont have to consider yogs or their contras > > atleast > > > > when > > > > > using Ashtakvarg system. > > > > > > > > > > Now compare this chart of Nehru with the chart that was given > > in > > > > the > > > > > first thread. I think it will be clear. > > > > > > > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > > > > > Here in this chart if u see points from 12th through 7th > > except > > > for > > > > > 4th house i.e. from 12th house he has 22, 26, 23, 24, 34, 26, > > 26, > > > > 27. > > > > > > > > > > Other factors in the above chart is the Venus to Sun distance > > is > > > > > > > > > 43deg20, Guru in libra, Shani with moon, Venus in dwshaba > > rashi, > > > > 6th > > > > > lord in 10th etc etc... > > > > > > > > > > Its was a good discussion. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > > > Nice link given by Tata ji maybe Ash should > > have > > > a > > > > > > look at the section for Kal Sarpa Yoga. The section clearly > > > > states > > > > > > Tata ji`s experience also > > > > > > > > > > > > "From practical point of view this is not found to be a > > > hindrance > > > > > to > > > > > > progress. I have the horoscopes of a lot of people who have > > > this > > > > so > > > > > > called dosha and are doing quite well in life. One of the > > most > > > > > > notable exceptions is the horoscope of Jawaharlal Nehru, > the > > > late > > > > > > prime minister of India. If someone can rise to that level > > with > > > > > > kalasarpa yoga, then its not a bad one really!!" > > > > > > > > > > > > Tata ji a small question for you if you dont mind. As > stated > > by > > > > Ash > > > > > > (in his analysis based on Ashtakavarga system "such charts > > are > > > > > > special and commonsense dictates that when a person is > faced > > > with > > > > > > prolonged periods of unhappiness, one can get spiritual and > > may > > > > > look > > > > > > for hope from the divine") is it ascertain that due to KS > > yoga > > > > > > analysis(based on Ashtakavarga system) all people will have > > > > > prolonged > > > > > > periods of unhappiness? > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S- Ash i myself dont deny the existense but the > experience > > is > > > > > more > > > > > > profound analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , <sptata@a...> > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > You can read more about these misconceptions and scary > > myths > > > > from > > > > > > > http://www.astrojyoti.com/misconceptions.htm > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > "Hasmukhrai Mehta" <astroclinik> > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > Sunday, July 04, 2004 7:02 AM > > > > > > > Re: Re: THE WORST FORM OF KALA SARPA,, HELP > > > > > PLEASE... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not mean to negate the existence of "Kalsarpa > > Yoga" > > > and > > > > > its > > > > > > > results.The purpose of my posting was to know the source > > or > > > the > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > who discovered this yoga. Even after all we know about > it, > > my > > > > > query > > > > > > still > > > > > > > remains unanswered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sriganeshh, Hasmukhrai and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The source might not be known but think about the > > > application. > > > > > > > > When planets all 7 planets are on one side of the chart > > > then > > > > > the > > > > > > SAV > > > > > > > > distribution might pan out in such a way that one side > > of > > > the > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > has contiguous houses with > 28 bindus or benefic and > > othe > > > > > other > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > will have less than 28 bindus or altest a serise of > > > > contigious > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > with more points and a seriese with less than 28. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case when Malefics transit over such houses the > > > > results > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be prolonged till it hits say a house with more points. > > > > > > > > So such charts are special and commonsense dictates > that > > > when > > > > a > > > > > > > > person is faced with prolonged periods of unhappiness > > > however > > > > > > > > whichever way you may define happiness, one can get > > > spiritual > > > > > and > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > look for hope from the divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because its not been given in standard texts it > > does > > > not > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > that such a thing may not exist. Even a great classic > > like > > > > BPHS > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not complete and there are chapters missing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there can be that some money hungry or faud's in > the > > > garb > > > > of > > > > > > > > astrologers may use such fear causing names or > > celesital > > > > > > phenemons > > > > > > > > to instill fear in a person and try to make money off > > such > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Similar is the case with Sade-Sati or Kuja Dosha etc. > > Yes > > > > such > > > > > > > > things do exists but not necessarily bad in all cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sriganeshh" > > > > > > > > <sriganeshh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > source is not known...but will try to post whenever i > > come > > > > > > > > > across...but the case on thread....does not have > > > kalasarpa > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > Basically kalasarpa or kalaamrit yoga means all the > > > planets > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > placed in between the rahu and ketu or ketu and rahu > > > > > > > > > respectively...My personal view is one need not worry > > > about > > > > > > > > kalasarpa > > > > > > > > > yoga as it is not bad as it made out to be...so many > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > people have kalasarpa yoga on their chart....only > > > concerned > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > have to be very careful during the dasa period > > > (maha/antar) > > > > of > > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > > > of sarpa planets. This is in fact gives one success > > after > > > > much > > > > > > > > > effort..that is all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more personal view is almost all planets are good > > > only > > > > > and > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > planet is bad as such...it all depends on your past > > > > karma...it > > > > > > > > plays. > > > > > > > > > If one understands it...does follow his customs and > > > > practices > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > core...none of the planets harm one...like brahmins > do > > > > trikala > > > > > > > > > sandhya vandhanam....which protects them from all > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be my view is based on > > > overall...consideration...please > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > panic and get tension. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sriganeshh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Hasmukhrai > > Mehta > > > > > > > > > <astroclinik> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not a single classical authority including Varah > > Mihir, > > > > > > > > Parashara, > > > > > > > > > Vaidyanatha, Mantreshwar, Kallyana Verma and > > Bhattotpala > > > has > > > > > > > > > mentioned this "Kalasarpa Yoga" in his works. Will > > > somebody > > > > > give > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > source of this yoga ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mssodhi_in <mssodhi_in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir, I am a novice, I would say nobody for this > > field > > > but > > > > > one > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > can say for sure panic (posting repeatedly at short > > > > > intervals) > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not bring any good effects also I feel that you > > should > > > > > thank > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > you have, as many in this world are even deprived > of > > > > > > that,lastly > > > > > > > > > > think about the stars under which lord > > > > > > > > > > ShriKrishna was born with parents in jail, mamma > > > thirsty > > > > > for > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > blood and so on. > > > > > > > > > > Have faith there are lot of learned people here and > > I > > > am > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > will definitely guide. > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > Manjeet. > > > > > > > > > > > i have the worst form of kala- sarpa dosha with > > all > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > rahu in ninth to ketu in third. > > > > > > > > > > > DOB--24 NOV 1981 > > > > > > > > > > > TIME - 07-10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > PLACE....NEW DELHI,, INDIA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ascendent or First House is Scorpio > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Second House is Sagittarius > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Third House is Capricorn > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Forth House is Aquarius > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Fifth House is Pisces > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Sixth House is Aries > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Seventh House is Taurus > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Eighth House is Gemini > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Ninth House is Cancer > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Tenth House is Leo > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Eleventh House is Virgo > > > > > > > > > > > The Sign of my Twelfth House is Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, Uranus is/are located in my First House. > > > > > > > > > > > Neptune, Venus is/are located in my Second House. > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is/are located in my Third House. > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is/are located in my Ninth House. > > > > > > > > > > > Mars is/are located in my Tenth House. > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is/are located in my Eleventh House. > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Mercury, Moon, Pluto is/are located in > my > > > > Twelfth > > > > > > > > House. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL THE EFFECTS OD SUCH A HOROSCOPE > > > > > > > > > > > AND REMEDY TOO. > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS A LOT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 If remembering original actions was important, more of us would have retained longer memories. Obviously memories are not important or of consequence. Karma dissipates in the black-hole of detachment... RR , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Dear Gaurav, > > This has been put quite well, I am impressed! > > There is however one sheard of confusion in me tghat I > would like to put forward .. > > Are we saying that our present life is a sum total of > all karmas? or saying that the present life is one of > the lives we have to have before we expreience all the > past karma?? The issue is deeper than I am presenting > it just think it over because it has it's own > implications as we try to answer this ... > > Just to share my own view: > Prarabhda karma is something that we get by indulging > in activities that are decidedly right or wrong when > judged from the point of view of dharma .. and like > justice this cannot be altered > > Sanchita karma is activities we were involved in which > impressions of bad or good have been gathered > (samskaras as u say) but out actions were not either > directly wrong or right ... and hence the effect can > be modified to a good degree ... > > Kriyamana karma is our free will to take current > actions to change our current life situation. > > Agama Karma – This is our free will to make a plan or > set an intention to take an action in the future. > > The bottomline is .. if the impressions on the mind > vanish ... so does the karma ... if impressions cease > to be formed on the mind so does karma cease to form > !! > this is the bottomline of most yogas ... both sat and > ku karmas should be destroyed for liberation !! > > good show ! > > > > > --- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom> wrote: > > Dear Inder, > > Good question but it is a vast subject to > > be discussed in > > a forum. Here is a small effort to discuss the > > meaning of it. First > > some basics before we discuss about the effects. > > Karma first came > > into being as a concept in Hinduism, largely based > > on the Vedas and > > Upanishads. One of the first and most dramatic > > illustrations of Karma > > can be found in the great Hindu epic, the > > Mahabharata. The original > > Hindu concept of karma was later enhanced by several > > other movements > > within the religion, most notably Vedanta, Yoga, and > > Tantra. > > > > Hinduism sees karma as immutable law with > > involuntary and voluntary > > acts being part of a more intricate system of cause > > and effect that > > is often not comprehensible to one bound by karma. > > It is the goal of > > the Hindu, as expressed succinctly in the Bhagavad > > Gita, to embrace > > a 'sattvic' lifestyle and thus avoid creating more > > karma (karma is > > not qualified as good or bad). By ceasing to create > > more karma, the > > jiva-atma or individual soul is able to move closer > > to moksha, or > > liberation. To the Hindu, karma is the law of the > > phenomenal cosmos > > that is part and parcel of living within the > > dimensions of time and > > space. All actions, thoughts, vibrations of any > > sort, are governed by > > a law that demands perfect rebound. So all > > jiva-atmas (individual > > souls) must experience karma if they live and > > experience the > > phenomenal universe. To escape the cycle of life, > > death and rebirth, > > one must exhaust one's karma and realize one's true > > Self as the > > highest truth of Oneness that is Brahman (or for > > dvaitists(dualists) > > bliss with the Supreme Godhead). > > > > In Hinduism, karma is of three kinds: > > > > Prarabadha Karma > > This karma is unchangeable within the scope of one > > life, since it is > > the 'setup' for the life in question. It is the > > karma of one's past > > lives. After death, the atma leaves the body, as the > > casting off of > > old vestments, and carries with it the samskaras > > (impressions) of the > > past life of thoughts and actions and events. These > > samskaras > > manifest themselves in the unchangeable situation > > into which one is > > born and certain key events in one's life. These > > include one's time > > of death (seen as governed by an allotment from > > birth of the total > > number of one's breaths for that life), one's > > economic status, one's > > family (or lack of family), one's body type and > > look: essentially, > > the setting of one's birth, the initial base. > > > > Samchita Karma > > The samskaras that one inherits from the last lives > > create one's > > personality, inclinations, talents, the things that > > make up one's > > persona. One's likings, abilities, attitudes and > > inclinations are > > based on the thoughts and actions of past lives. > > One's samchita karma > > is somewhat alterable through practice and effort > > towards change. > > This might be seen through the Hindu system of yoga > > and the dynamic > > of the gunas. An example would be someone who, > > through meditation, > > slowly evolved into a more stable personality. > > > > Agami Karma > > Agami karma is the karma of the present life over > > which the soul has > > complete control. Through it one creates one's karma > > in the present > > for the future of the current life and in life-times > > to come. > > > > The Hindu cannot say, sometimes, if a major event in > > life is the > > doing of Prarabadha or Agami Karma. The idea of "bad > > things happening > > to good people" is seen by the Hindu as a result of > > Prarabadha Karma, > > more simply understood as karma from a past life. > > > > In Hinduism, karma works within a cyclical framework > > that sees the > > phenomenal universe being created and eventually > > dissolving back into > > itself, back into realization that it was nothing > > other than Maya > > imposed on the truth of Brahman. So Karma will > > eventually be worked > > out. Karma does allow for anirudh (Divine Grace). > > Through exceeding > > devotion and love of God, the Hindu believes one can > > be helped to > > speed through Karma phal (Karmic fruit). By > > developing 'vairagya' > > or 'detachment' from the fruits of one's karma, as > > Lord Krishna most > > famously summarized, one can transcend karma and be > > liberated. One is > > aided by love of God. All the Yogas of Hinduism seek > > to transcend > > karma through different means of realization. > > > > Now coming to the question of (strong) Karmic > > effect,in simple terms > > (e.g KS yoga) it means that the person is likely to > > face events which > > may come all of a sudden. Now pointers to these > > events is reflected > > in the types of KS yoga. We get indicators (like > > possibility of court > > cases) for a specific type of KS yoga. The answer in > > preventing such > > a change taking place lies in the expressions of > > each individual. The > > expression of a thought is the expression of a > > feeling which is > > answered through Understanding. Understanding and > > counter- acting the > > effects of Kala Sarpa Yoga needs a person to move > > towards his higher > > self. > > > > KS yoga is one such consideration for such an > > effect. There are other > > instances also which form a strong Karmic effect. > > And it is better to > > let the topic stay inside boundaries, for if we try > > to explore then > > it will go towards the horizon. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > , "Inder" > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > Please forgive me once again and please tell me > > what is the meaning > > > of Karmic effect. I really dont know. What is > > strong current of > > > Karmic effect. Is it applicable to KS yoga only?? > > > Inder > > > > > > -- In , "Gaurav > > Sharma" > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > First of all there are two > > indications that needs to > > be > > > > understood. The karmic effects is a general > > effect of the KS yoga > > > > irrespective of the type of it. And the types of > > the yoga are > > only > > > > indications to a certain direction, it does not > > necassarily mean > > > that > > > > he will suffer from court cases upto a certain > > age. I hope you > > get > > > > the difference between the general explaination > > and a pointer to > > a > > > > specific kind of KS yoga. Moreover i dont > > consider it as bad as > > > Karma > > > > is not to be ignorned whether strong or medium > > or normal. The > > > person > > > > who is facing it should realize the importance > > of it. > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Very interesting discussion!! My 2 cents: My perception is that there is another "layer" on top of the commonly-accepted view of Karma, that you reap what you sow. This "layer" is grace, or the compassion of the Divine spirit - I feel that we only suffer the consequences of about half or even less of our sins, while we get twice as much credit for our few good acts! How else can we explain the number of sins that the average person commits and still manages to live a fairly decent life! Speaking for myself, I can see for sure, that without that "boost" that I don't really "deserve", I would never be where I am now! Venkatarama > , surya vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > This has been put quite well, I am impressed! > > > > There is however one sheard of confusion in me tghat I > > would like to put forward .. > > > > Are we saying that our present life is a sum total of > > all karmas? or saying that the present life is one of > > the lives we have to have before we expreience all the > > past karma?? The issue is deeper than I am presenting > > it just think it over because it has it's own > > implications as we try to answer this ... > > > > Just to share my own view: > > Prarabhda karma is something that we get by indulging > > in activities that are decidedly right or wrong when > > judged from the point of view of dharma .. and like > > justice this cannot be altered > > > > Sanchita karma is activities we were involved in which > > impressions of bad or good have been gathered > > (samskaras as u say) but out actions were not either > > directly wrong or right ... and hence the effect can > > be modified to a good degree ... > > > > Kriyamana karma is our free will to take current > > actions to change our current life situation. > > > > Agama Karma – This is our free will to make a plan or > > set an intention to take an action in the future. > > > > The bottomline is .. if the impressions on the mind > > vanish ... so does the karma ... if impressions cease > > to be formed on the mind so does karma cease to form > > !! > > this is the bottomline of most yogas ... both sat and > > ku karmas should be destroyed for liberation !! > > > > good show ! > > > > > > > > > > --- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom> wrote: > > > Dear Inder, > > > Good question but it is a vast subject to > > > be discussed in > > > a forum. Here is a small effort to discuss the > > > meaning of it. First > > > some basics before we discuss about the effects. > > > Karma first came > > > into being as a concept in Hinduism, largely based > > > on the Vedas and > > > Upanishads. One of the first and most dramatic > > > illustrations of Karma > > > can be found in the great Hindu epic, the > > > Mahabharata. The original > > > Hindu concept of karma was later enhanced by several > > > other movements > > > within the religion, most notably Vedanta, Yoga, and > > > Tantra. > > > > > > Hinduism sees karma as immutable law with > > > involuntary and voluntary > > > acts being part of a more intricate system of cause > > > and effect that > > > is often not comprehensible to one bound by karma. > > > It is the goal of > > > the Hindu, as expressed succinctly in the Bhagavad > > > Gita, to embrace > > > a 'sattvic' lifestyle and thus avoid creating more > > > karma (karma is > > > not qualified as good or bad). By ceasing to create > > > more karma, the > > > jiva-atma or individual soul is able to move closer > > > to moksha, or > > > liberation. To the Hindu, karma is the law of the > > > phenomenal cosmos > > > that is part and parcel of living within the > > > dimensions of time and > > > space. All actions, thoughts, vibrations of any > > > sort, are governed by > > > a law that demands perfect rebound. So all > > > jiva-atmas (individual > > > souls) must experience karma if they live and > > > experience the > > > phenomenal universe. To escape the cycle of life, > > > death and rebirth, > > > one must exhaust one's karma and realize one's true > > > Self as the > > > highest truth of Oneness that is Brahman (or for > > > dvaitists(dualists) > > > bliss with the Supreme Godhead). > > > > > > In Hinduism, karma is of three kinds: > > > > > > Prarabadha Karma > > > This karma is unchangeable within the scope of one > > > life, since it is > > > the 'setup' for the life in question. It is the > > > karma of one's past > > > lives. After death, the atma leaves the body, as the > > > casting off of > > > old vestments, and carries with it the samskaras > > > (impressions) of the > > > past life of thoughts and actions and events. These > > > samskaras > > > manifest themselves in the unchangeable situation > > > into which one is > > > born and certain key events in one's life. These > > > include one's time > > > of death (seen as governed by an allotment from > > > birth of the total > > > number of one's breaths for that life), one's > > > economic status, one's > > > family (or lack of family), one's body type and > > > look: essentially, > > > the setting of one's birth, the initial base. > > > > > > Samchita Karma > > > The samskaras that one inherits from the last lives > > > create one's > > > personality, inclinations, talents, the things that > > > make up one's > > > persona. One's likings, abilities, attitudes and > > > inclinations are > > > based on the thoughts and actions of past lives. > > > One's samchita karma > > > is somewhat alterable through practice and effort > > > towards change. > > > This might be seen through the Hindu system of yoga > > > and the dynamic > > > of the gunas. An example would be someone who, > > > through meditation, > > > slowly evolved into a more stable personality. > > > > > > Agami Karma > > > Agami karma is the karma of the present life over > > > which the soul has > > > complete control. Through it one creates one's karma > > > in the present > > > for the future of the current life and in life-times > > > to come. > > > > > > The Hindu cannot say, sometimes, if a major event in > > > life is the > > > doing of Prarabadha or Agami Karma. The idea of "bad > > > things happening > > > to good people" is seen by the Hindu as a result of > > > Prarabadha Karma, > > > more simply understood as karma from a past life. > > > > > > In Hinduism, karma works within a cyclical framework > > > that sees the > > > phenomenal universe being created and eventually > > > dissolving back into > > > itself, back into realization that it was nothing > > > other than Maya > > > imposed on the truth of Brahman. So Karma will > > > eventually be worked > > > out. Karma does allow for anirudh (Divine Grace). > > > Through exceeding > > > devotion and love of God, the Hindu believes one can > > > be helped to > > > speed through Karma phal (Karmic fruit). By > > > developing 'vairagya' > > > or 'detachment' from the fruits of one's karma, as > > > Lord Krishna most > > > famously summarized, one can transcend karma and be > > > liberated. One is > > > aided by love of God. All the Yogas of Hinduism seek > > > to transcend > > > karma through different means of realization. > > > > > > Now coming to the question of (strong) Karmic > > > effect,in simple terms > > > (e.g KS yoga) it means that the person is likely to > > > face events which > > > may come all of a sudden. Now pointers to these > > > events is reflected > > > in the types of KS yoga. We get indicators (like > > > possibility of court > > > cases) for a specific type of KS yoga. The answer in > > > preventing such > > > a change taking place lies in the expressions of > > > each individual. The > > > expression of a thought is the expression of a > > > feeling which is > > > answered through Understanding. Understanding and > > > counter- acting the > > > effects of Kala Sarpa Yoga needs a person to move > > > towards his higher > > > self. > > > > > > KS yoga is one such consideration for such an > > > effect. There are other > > > instances also which form a strong Karmic effect. > > > And it is better to > > > let the topic stay inside boundaries, for if we try > > > to explore then > > > it will go towards the horizon. > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Please forgive me once again and please tell me > > > what is the meaning > > > > of Karmic effect. I really dont know. What is > > > strong current of > > > > Karmic effect. Is it applicable to KS yoga only?? > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > -- In , "Gaurav > > > Sharma" > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > First of all there are two > > > indications that needs to > > > be > > > > > understood. The karmic effects is a general > > > effect of the KS yoga > > > > > irrespective of the type of it. And the types of > > > the yoga are > > > only > > > > > indications to a certain direction, it does not > > > necassarily mean > > > > that > > > > > he will suffer from court cases upto a certain > > > age. I hope you > > > get > > > > > the difference between the general explaination > > > and a pointer to > > > a > > > > > specific kind of KS yoga. Moreover i dont > > > consider it as bad as > > > > Karma > > > > > is not to be ignorned whether strong or medium > > > or normal. The > > > > person > > > > > who is facing it should realize the importance > > > of it. > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 yes this is my belief too. , "venkatarama_sastry" <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > Very interesting discussion!! > > My 2 cents: My perception is that there is another "layer" on top of > the commonly-accepted view of Karma, that you reap what you sow. > This "layer" is grace, or the compassion of the Divine spirit - I > feel that we only suffer the consequences of about half or even less > of our sins, while we get twice as much credit for our few good acts! > How else can we explain the number of sins that the average person > commits and still manages to live a fairly decent life! Speaking for > myself, I can see for sure, that without that "boost" that I don't > really "deserve", I would never be where I am now! > > Venkatarama > > > , surya vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > > > This has been put quite well, I am impressed! > > > > > > There is however one sheard of confusion in me tghat I > > > would like to put forward .. > > > > > > Are we saying that our present life is a sum total of > > > all karmas? or saying that the present life is one of > > > the lives we have to have before we expreience all the > > > past karma?? The issue is deeper than I am presenting > > > it just think it over because it has it's own > > > implications as we try to answer this ... > > > > > > Just to share my own view: > > > Prarabhda karma is something that we get by indulging > > > in activities that are decidedly right or wrong when > > > judged from the point of view of dharma .. and like > > > justice this cannot be altered > > > > > > Sanchita karma is activities we were involved in which > > > impressions of bad or good have been gathered > > > (samskaras as u say) but out actions were not either > > > directly wrong or right ... and hence the effect can > > > be modified to a good degree ... > > > > > > Kriyamana karma is our free will to take current > > > actions to change our current life situation. > > > > > > Agama Karma – This is our free will to make a plan or > > > set an intention to take an action in the future. > > > > > > The bottomline is .. if the impressions on the mind > > > vanish ... so does the karma ... if impressions cease > > > to be formed on the mind so does karma cease to form > > > !! > > > this is the bottomline of most yogas ... both sat and > > > ku karmas should be destroyed for liberation !! > > > > > > good show ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > Good question but it is a vast subject to > > > > be discussed in > > > > a forum. Here is a small effort to discuss the > > > > meaning of it. First > > > > some basics before we discuss about the effects. > > > > Karma first came > > > > into being as a concept in Hinduism, largely based > > > > on the Vedas and > > > > Upanishads. One of the first and most dramatic > > > > illustrations of Karma > > > > can be found in the great Hindu epic, the > > > > Mahabharata. The original > > > > Hindu concept of karma was later enhanced by several > > > > other movements > > > > within the religion, most notably Vedanta, Yoga, and > > > > Tantra. > > > > > > > > Hinduism sees karma as immutable law with > > > > involuntary and voluntary > > > > acts being part of a more intricate system of cause > > > > and effect that > > > > is often not comprehensible to one bound by karma. > > > > It is the goal of > > > > the Hindu, as expressed succinctly in the Bhagavad > > > > Gita, to embrace > > > > a 'sattvic' lifestyle and thus avoid creating more > > > > karma (karma is > > > > not qualified as good or bad). By ceasing to create > > > > more karma, the > > > > jiva-atma or individual soul is able to move closer > > > > to moksha, or > > > > liberation. To the Hindu, karma is the law of the > > > > phenomenal cosmos > > > > that is part and parcel of living within the > > > > dimensions of time and > > > > space. All actions, thoughts, vibrations of any > > > > sort, are governed by > > > > a law that demands perfect rebound. So all > > > > jiva-atmas (individual > > > > souls) must experience karma if they live and > > > > experience the > > > > phenomenal universe. To escape the cycle of life, > > > > death and rebirth, > > > > one must exhaust one's karma and realize one's true > > > > Self as the > > > > highest truth of Oneness that is Brahman (or for > > > > dvaitists(dualists) > > > > bliss with the Supreme Godhead). > > > > > > > > In Hinduism, karma is of three kinds: > > > > > > > > Prarabadha Karma > > > > This karma is unchangeable within the scope of one > > > > life, since it is > > > > the 'setup' for the life in question. It is the > > > > karma of one's past > > > > lives. After death, the atma leaves the body, as the > > > > casting off of > > > > old vestments, and carries with it the samskaras > > > > (impressions) of the > > > > past life of thoughts and actions and events. These > > > > samskaras > > > > manifest themselves in the unchangeable situation > > > > into which one is > > > > born and certain key events in one's life. These > > > > include one's time > > > > of death (seen as governed by an allotment from > > > > birth of the total > > > > number of one's breaths for that life), one's > > > > economic status, one's > > > > family (or lack of family), one's body type and > > > > look: essentially, > > > > the setting of one's birth, the initial base. > > > > > > > > Samchita Karma > > > > The samskaras that one inherits from the last lives > > > > create one's > > > > personality, inclinations, talents, the things that > > > > make up one's > > > > persona. One's likings, abilities, attitudes and > > > > inclinations are > > > > based on the thoughts and actions of past lives. > > > > One's samchita karma > > > > is somewhat alterable through practice and effort > > > > towards change. > > > > This might be seen through the Hindu system of yoga > > > > and the dynamic > > > > of the gunas. An example would be someone who, > > > > through meditation, > > > > slowly evolved into a more stable personality. > > > > > > > > Agami Karma > > > > Agami karma is the karma of the present life over > > > > which the soul has > > > > complete control. Through it one creates one's karma > > > > in the present > > > > for the future of the current life and in life-times > > > > to come. > > > > > > > > The Hindu cannot say, sometimes, if a major event in > > > > life is the > > > > doing of Prarabadha or Agami Karma. The idea of "bad > > > > things happening > > > > to good people" is seen by the Hindu as a result of > > > > Prarabadha Karma, > > > > more simply understood as karma from a past life. > > > > > > > > In Hinduism, karma works within a cyclical framework > > > > that sees the > > > > phenomenal universe being created and eventually > > > > dissolving back into > > > > itself, back into realization that it was nothing > > > > other than Maya > > > > imposed on the truth of Brahman. So Karma will > > > > eventually be worked > > > > out. Karma does allow for anirudh (Divine Grace). > > > > Through exceeding > > > > devotion and love of God, the Hindu believes one can > > > > be helped to > > > > speed through Karma phal (Karmic fruit). By > > > > developing 'vairagya' > > > > or 'detachment' from the fruits of one's karma, as > > > > Lord Krishna most > > > > famously summarized, one can transcend karma and be > > > > liberated. One is > > > > aided by love of God. All the Yogas of Hinduism seek > > > > to transcend > > > > karma through different means of realization. > > > > > > > > Now coming to the question of (strong) Karmic > > > > effect,in simple terms > > > > (e.g KS yoga) it means that the person is likely to > > > > face events which > > > > may come all of a sudden. Now pointers to these > > > > events is reflected > > > > in the types of KS yoga. We get indicators (like > > > > possibility of court > > > > cases) for a specific type of KS yoga. The answer in > > > > preventing such > > > > a change taking place lies in the expressions of > > > > each individual. The > > > > expression of a thought is the expression of a > > > > feeling which is > > > > answered through Understanding. Understanding and > > > > counter- acting the > > > > effects of Kala Sarpa Yoga needs a person to move > > > > towards his higher > > > > self. > > > > > > > > KS yoga is one such consideration for such an > > > > effect. There are other > > > > instances also which form a strong Karmic effect. > > > > And it is better to > > > > let the topic stay inside boundaries, for if we try > > > > to explore then > > > > it will go towards the horizon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > Please forgive me once again and please tell me > > > > what is the meaning > > > > > of Karmic effect. I really dont know. What is > > > > strong current of > > > > > Karmic effect. Is it applicable to KS yoga only?? > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > -- In , "Gaurav > > > > Sharma" > > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > > > First of all there are two > > > > indications that needs to > > > > be > > > > > > understood. The karmic effects is a general > > > > effect of the KS yoga > > > > > > irrespective of the type of it. And the types of > > > > the yoga are > > > > only > > > > > > indications to a certain direction, it does not > > > > necassarily mean > > > > > that > > > > > > he will suffer from court cases upto a certain > > > > age. I hope you > > > > get > > > > > > the difference between the general explaination > > > > and a pointer to > > > > a > > > > > > specific kind of KS yoga. Moreover i dont > > > > consider it as bad as > > > > > Karma > > > > > > is not to be ignorned whether strong or medium > > > > or normal. The > > > > > person > > > > > > who is facing it should realize the importance > > > > of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 "Karma dissipates in the black-hole of detachment..." Beautifully put, as long as we remember that detachment is not a reason to shirk our duties ... --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > If remembering original actions was important, more > of us would have > retained longer memories. Obviously memories are not > important or of > consequence. > > Karma dissipates in the black-hole of detachment... > > RR > > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > This has been put quite well, I am impressed! > > > > There is however one sheard of confusion in me > tghat I > > would like to put forward .. > > > > Are we saying that our present life is a sum total > of > > all karmas? or saying that the present life is one > of > > the lives we have to have before we expreience all > the > > past karma?? The issue is deeper than I am > presenting > > it just think it over because it has it's own > > implications as we try to answer this ... > > > > Just to share my own view: > > Prarabhda karma is something that we get by > indulging > > in activities that are decidedly right or wrong > when > > judged from the point of view of dharma .. and > like > > justice this cannot be altered > > > > Sanchita karma is activities we were involved in > which > > impressions of bad or good have been gathered > > (samskaras as u say) but out actions were not > either > > directly wrong or right ... and hence the effect > can > > be modified to a good degree ... > > > > Kriyamana karma is our free will to take current > > actions to change our current life situation. > > > > Agama Karma – This is our free will to make a plan > or > > set an intention to take an action in the future. > > > > The bottomline is .. if the impressions on the > mind > > vanish ... so does the karma ... if impressions > cease > > to be formed on the mind so does karma cease to > form > > !! > > this is the bottomline of most yogas ... both sat > and > > ku karmas should be destroyed for liberation !! > > > > good show ! > > > > > > > > > > --- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom> wrote: > > > Dear Inder, > > > Good question but it is a vast > subject to > > > be discussed in > > > a forum. Here is a small effort to discuss the > > > meaning of it. First > > > some basics before we discuss about the effects. > > > Karma first came > > > into being as a concept in Hinduism, largely > based > > > on the Vedas and > > > Upanishads. One of the first and most dramatic > > > illustrations of Karma > > > can be found in the great Hindu epic, the > > > Mahabharata. The original > > > Hindu concept of karma was later enhanced by > several > > > other movements > > > within the religion, most notably Vedanta, Yoga, > and > > > Tantra. > > > > > > Hinduism sees karma as immutable law with > > > involuntary and voluntary > > > acts being part of a more intricate system of > cause > > > and effect that > > > is often not comprehensible to one bound by > karma. > > > It is the goal of > > > the Hindu, as expressed succinctly in the > Bhagavad > > > Gita, to embrace > > > a 'sattvic' lifestyle and thus avoid creating > more > > > karma (karma is > > > not qualified as good or bad). By ceasing to > create > > > more karma, the > > > jiva-atma or individual soul is able to move > closer > > > to moksha, or > > > liberation. To the Hindu, karma is the law of > the > > > phenomenal cosmos > > > that is part and parcel of living within the > > > dimensions of time and > > > space. All actions, thoughts, vibrations of any > > > sort, are governed by > > > a law that demands perfect rebound. So all > > > jiva-atmas (individual > > > souls) must experience karma if they live and > > > experience the > > > phenomenal universe. To escape the cycle of > life, > > > death and rebirth, > > > one must exhaust one's karma and realize one's > true > > > Self as the > > > highest truth of Oneness that is Brahman (or for > > > dvaitists(dualists) > > > bliss with the Supreme Godhead). > > > > > > In Hinduism, karma is of three kinds: > > > > > > Prarabadha Karma > > > This karma is unchangeable within the scope of > one > > > life, since it is > > > the 'setup' for the life in question. It is the > > > karma of one's past > > > lives. After death, the atma leaves the body, as > the > > > casting off of > > > old vestments, and carries with it the samskaras > > > (impressions) of the > > > past life of thoughts and actions and events. > These > > > samskaras > > > manifest themselves in the unchangeable > situation > > > into which one is > > > born and certain key events in one's life. These > > > include one's time > > > of death (seen as governed by an allotment from > > > birth of the total > > > number of one's breaths for that life), one's > > > economic status, one's > > > family (or lack of family), one's body type and > > > look: essentially, > > > the setting of one's birth, the initial base. > > > > > > Samchita Karma > > > The samskaras that one inherits from the last > lives > > > create one's > > > personality, inclinations, talents, the things > that > > > make up one's > > > persona. One's likings, abilities, attitudes and > > > inclinations are > > > based on the thoughts and actions of past lives. > > > One's samchita karma > > > is somewhat alterable through practice and > effort > > > towards change. > > > This might be seen through the Hindu system of > yoga > > > and the dynamic > > > of the gunas. An example would be someone who, > > > through meditation, > > > slowly evolved into a more stable personality. > > > > > > Agami Karma > > > Agami karma is the karma of the present life > over > > > which the soul has > > > complete control. Through it one creates one's > karma > > > in the present > > > for the future of the current life and in > life-times > > > to come. > > > > > > The Hindu cannot say, sometimes, if a major > event in > === message truncated === New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 How very true for so many of us !! I believe that the purpose of creation is to take you back to the source and use Karma etc as a means of making you realise without making it evident .. so as long as there is sincerity in your prayer god is always benevolent !! --- venkatarama_sastry <venkatarama_sastry wrote: > Very interesting discussion!! > > My 2 cents: My perception is that there is another > "layer" on top of > the commonly-accepted view of Karma, that you reap > what you sow. > This "layer" is grace, or the compassion of the > Divine spirit - I > feel that we only suffer the consequences of about > half or even less > of our sins, while we get twice as much credit for > our few good acts! > How else can we explain the number of sins that the > average person > commits and still manages to live a fairly decent > life! Speaking for > myself, I can see for sure, that without that > "boost" that I don't > really "deserve", I would never be where I am now! > > Venkatarama > > > , surya > vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > > > This has been put quite well, I am impressed! > > > > > > There is however one sheard of confusion in me > tghat I > > > would like to put forward .. > > > > > > Are we saying that our present life is a sum > total of > > > all karmas? or saying that the present life is > one of > > > the lives we have to have before we expreience > all the > > > past karma?? The issue is deeper than I am > presenting > > > it just think it over because it has it's own > > > implications as we try to answer this ... > > > > > > Just to share my own view: > > > Prarabhda karma is something that we get by > indulging > > > in activities that are decidedly right or wrong > when > > > judged from the point of view of dharma .. and > like > > > justice this cannot be altered > > > > > > Sanchita karma is activities we were involved in > which > > > impressions of bad or good have been gathered > > > (samskaras as u say) but out actions were not > either > > > directly wrong or right ... and hence the effect > can > > > be modified to a good degree ... > > > > > > Kriyamana karma is our free will to take current > > > actions to change our current life situation. > > > > > > Agama Karma – This is our free will to make a > plan or > > > set an intention to take an action in the > future. > > > > > > The bottomline is .. if the impressions on the > mind > > > vanish ... so does the karma ... if impressions > cease > > > to be formed on the mind so does karma cease to > form > > > !! > > > this is the bottomline of most yogas ... both > sat and > > > ku karmas should be destroyed for liberation !! > > > > > > good show ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > Dear Inder, > > > > Good question but it is a vast > subject to > > > > be discussed in > > > > a forum. Here is a small effort to discuss the > > > > meaning of it. First > > > > some basics before we discuss about the > effects. > > > > Karma first came > > > > into being as a concept in Hinduism, largely > based > > > > on the Vedas and > > > > Upanishads. One of the first and most dramatic > > > > illustrations of Karma > > > > can be found in the great Hindu epic, the > > > > Mahabharata. The original > > > > Hindu concept of karma was later enhanced by > several > > > > other movements > > > > within the religion, most notably Vedanta, > Yoga, and > > > > Tantra. > > > > > > > > Hinduism sees karma as immutable law with > > > > involuntary and voluntary > > > > acts being part of a more intricate system of > cause > > > > and effect that > > > > is often not comprehensible to one bound by > karma. > > > > It is the goal of > > > > the Hindu, as expressed succinctly in the > Bhagavad > > > > Gita, to embrace > > > > a 'sattvic' lifestyle and thus avoid creating > more > > > > karma (karma is > > > > not qualified as good or bad). By ceasing to > create > > > > more karma, the > > > > jiva-atma or individual soul is able to move > closer > > > > to moksha, or > > > > liberation. To the Hindu, karma is the law of > the > > > > phenomenal cosmos > > > > that is part and parcel of living within the > > > > dimensions of time and > > > > space. All actions, thoughts, vibrations of > any > > > > sort, are governed by > > > > a law that demands perfect rebound. So all > > > > jiva-atmas (individual > > > > souls) must experience karma if they live and > > > > experience the > > > > phenomenal universe. To escape the cycle of > life, > > > > death and rebirth, > > > > one must exhaust one's karma and realize one's > true > > > > Self as the > > > > highest truth of Oneness that is Brahman (or > for > > > > dvaitists(dualists) > > > > bliss with the Supreme Godhead). > > > > > > > > In Hinduism, karma is of three kinds: > > > > > > > > Prarabadha Karma > > > > This karma is unchangeable within the scope of > one > > > > life, since it is > > > > the 'setup' for the life in question. It is > the > > > > karma of one's past > > > > lives. After death, the atma leaves the body, > as the > > > > casting off of > > > > old vestments, and carries with it the > samskaras > > > > (impressions) of the > > > > past life of thoughts and actions and events. > These > > > > samskaras > > > > manifest themselves in the unchangeable > situation > > > > into which one is > > > > born and certain key events in one's life. > These > > > > include one's time > > > > of death (seen as governed by an allotment > from > > > > birth of the total > > > > number of one's breaths for that life), one's > > > > economic status, one's > > > > family (or lack of family), one's body type > and > > > > look: essentially, > > > > the setting of one's birth, the initial base. > > > > > > > > Samchita Karma > > > > The samskaras that one inherits from the last > lives > > > > create one's > > > > personality, inclinations, talents, the things > that > > > > make up one's > > > > persona. One's likings, abilities, attitudes > and > > > > inclinations are > > > > based on the thoughts and actions of past > lives. > > > > One's samchita karma > > > > is somewhat alterable through practice and > effort > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 Gaurav, The previous memories might be wiped off .. but the impressions they leave on the mind (or subconscious if thats a better word) wont leave you irrespective of many births ... It is these samskaras and impressions I believe that form the invisible frameworks that we work in ... each new birth erases the memories but keeps the impressions and leaves it to us to correct them !!! .. this is the surest sign of gods benevolence!! Thanks for sharing so much !!! --- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom wrote: > Dear Surya, > Some good thoughts but try to ponder on > the possibility on > a person if he/she remembers all the past actions in > the previos > births. Perhaps the answer lies in the question > itself. Now coming to > your questions > > -Are we saying that our present life is a sum total > of all karmas? or > saying that the present life is one of the lives we > have to have > before we expreience all the past karma?? > > Karma means that whatever actions an individual has > undertaken both > in this lifetime and in previous lives', he or she > will experience > the results of those actions in the present or > later. Essentially, > karma is part of a cosmic law which states that > whatever efforts a > person puts out to the world, (including his or her > interactions with > others) these efforts will be returned to that > person for better or > worse, depending on the attitude and behavior that > the person > originally expressed.We are constantly creating new > karmas through > our current actions and reaping the benefits of past > karmas, as well > as paying the price for actions of the past. > > > -both sat and ku karmas should be destroyed for > liberation > > Indeed a good thought but it needs to be explored > for more deeper > meaning. The Mandal 10 Sukta 129 of Rigveda speaks – > "Na Sat Aseet Na > Asat Aseet, Na Mrituyu Aseet Na Amritam." This is > the description > after the final destruction of the universe and > before the next > creation, i.e. of the time gap where no creation > existed. That is why > the God preaches in this Mantra that there was no > Sat, i.e. Almighty > God was there but His power, which is called "Sat" > here, was not in > action to create universe. And therefore, Asat > didn't exist there. > Asat means that the previous creation, that is, > earth, moon, air, > space, etc. because it was the time gap after the > previous final > destruction of the universe and before the next > creation. "Na > Mrityuhu Asset Na Amritam". Amritam means final > liberation of the > soul. When there was no birth and death, therefore, > there was no > question of any salvation. Again the mantra says > "Tat Ekam" i.e. one > truth (God). "Swadhya" i.e. Swayambhu. "Avatum" i.e. > without > requiring air etc. to live upon. "Aaseet" i.e. was > there. Its meaning > is that between the gap stated above, there was only > Almighty God > present who requires nothing to live upon, neither > requires any > assistance of organs etc. To see, listen and walk > etc. and especially > because God is called swadhya (Swayambhu) which > means that nobody has > made the God and therefore God Himself is without > reasoning. > > Almighty God has clearly preached that universe is > made of non-alive > Prakriti, souls get bodies in accordance with their > karmas and God is > within souls, and prakriti made the universe. > > In the mantra 3 of the Sukta 129(Yajurveda), there > was another > eternal truth called (Aabhu Aseet) "AABHU" > (Prakriti) which is the > cause of creation of universe. That is called AABHU > (Prakirti) a > substance was also there, which is used for > creation. "Tat Mahina" > i.e. from this ABHU (Prakirti), a Mahat (mind) > originated which was > the first substance created at the time of beginning > of the earth. > Mandal 10 of Rigveda Mantra cited above further > says, in Mantra 5, > Sukta 129 – "Retodhana Aasan". > > "Ret" means the first seed of desire orinated in > mind (Mann in Hindi) > at the beginning of the earth, as stated in Mantra > 4, Sukta > 129. "Retodhaha" means orinally the desire are held > by alive souls. > So the mantra says that the second truth, before > creation, was alive > souls and souls were "Mahimaanaha Aasan" i.e. souls > were > countless, "Eshan Rashmihi" i.e. the souls were > bound with previous > karmas, therefore were waiting for the next birth in > new creation. So > this is the second eternal truth called souls. > > Creation from Prakriti and final destruction at the > stipulated time > is called "Sansar Chakra" and this Chakra according > to Yajurveda > Mantra 31/3 remains in one part (Padah Asya Vishwa > Bhutani) power of > Almighty God, as also said in Geeta Shloka 10/42. In > this Sansaar > Chakra, the eternal soul due to attachment with > worldly affairs made > of Prakriti, is wandering (birth and death) in > sorrows, problem, etc. > A spiritual master when preaches the aspirant, then > only the soul > recollect his eternal stage. > > You should have got some insight to the answer to > your question. > Talking about liberation is another aspect. > > Now some texts do describe the path to liberation. > Beliefs as to how > moksha may be achieved differ considerably from > tradition to > tradition. Overall, three distinct approaches or > margas (Sanskrit: > paths) are recognized: > > Karma Marga ("the path of action"): This path draws > its inspiration > from the Vedas and the teachings of Brahmans. It > does not require one > to pay visit to a temple or shrine or anything of > the sort. All that > is required is behaviour that results in the > resolution of one's > karma. > > Jnana Marga ("the path of knowledge"): intense > meditation and self- > reflection. This path draws its inspiration from the > Upanishads and > the gurus that teach them. > > Bhakti Marga ("the path of devotion"): this breed is > more popular > than the difficult second path. It is the > identification of a > worshipper with a particular God. In effect, it is > the total devotion > to a single God, usually Rama or Krishna. The first > great text > of "devotionalism" is the Bhagavad Gita ("The Song > of God"). Krishna > appears in this text and says: "only with love can > you come to me". > > The discussion can go on but the meaning is that we > might have lost > our previous memories but is that important. Or > should that be the > only standpoint for also erasing our previous karma. > > > Gaurav > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Dear Gaurav, > > > > This has been put quite well, I am impressed! > > > > There is however one sheard of confusion in me > tghat I > > would like to put forward .. > > > > Are we saying that our present life is a sum total > of > > all karmas? or saying that the present life is one > of > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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