Addiction.....Get Rid of It

June 28, 2004

Dear friends,

Another thought of mine. Again not very astrological but a reality,

a truth.....writing from experience and observation...

ADDICTION...GET RID OF IT:

I always wonder, why there is an emptiness sometimes in our lives,

the gap that we cannot fill, the pain of missing something? And when

I go deep, I find that it's probably caused by the desire to fulfil

the unfulfilled desires in our lives which has taken the shape of an

addiction and we cannot give it up. This addiction becomes a part of

our life though we know that it may lead us to destruction. But, it

gives us that momentary pleasure, without which we feel the

emptiness and we don't want to give it up. We like doing certain

things so much that the thought of leaving that habit scares us.

To give some examples...

We love to think about the pleasant past. We get addicted to trying

to fulfil our unfulfilled desires of the past in our thoughts. This

addiction leads one to misery and agony. we know that past is an

illusion, but we still cannot give up this addiction of living in

the past in our thoughts as it gives us momentary illusive

satisfaction, a FALSE pleasure.......or not?

To give another example to explain a little more.....

The addiction to fame, addiction to praises can lead a person to

lies and pretensions. The person cannot tolerate criticism and

behaves abnormally. He loses his sense to judge the good and the

bad. It's only running after the praises, the desire to listen to

the good in oneself, to satisfy the hunger for fame that matters

then. Totally destructive as this addiction can be, makes one an

egoistic and blind person.

Similarly, the addiction to reach the top......Oh! another race,

another craving to win and only win.It makes a person dangerous. He

doesn't then bother about anyone else except for himself.

Ít's hard to give up these addictions. We try to run after the

dreams which could not materialize. We try to make them real in our

thoughts. we know that the dream is far from reality and there are

other priorities which are more important but we try to fulfil our

desires and are never able to give them up. But the question

remains... how can we conquer these addictions? It's only and only

our will power which is capable of conquering our so long nurtured

addictions.To face the challenge is the key to conquer it. We do all

know our limits and capabilities. To try to fulfil our dreams is

definitely not wrong but to get addicted to a fantasy, an idea or a

self-destructive concept and to run after it only leads to false

hopes and misery. Let's not run after a mirage, let's recognize the

Truth and have the courage to accept the reality.

--Manoshi

June 28, 2004

Dear Manoshi,

you wrote:

Another thought of mine. Again not very astrological but a reality,

a truth.....writing from experience and observation...

ADDICTION...GET RID OF IT:

I always wonder, why there is an emptiness sometimes in our lives,

the gap that we cannot fill, the pain of missing something?

- It comes from the mental structure that you have constructed and which allows

you to see yourself separated from the Universe.

All the rest that you have written about, is a description of how you have

elaborated this mental structure ( containing concepts, beliefs, emotions),

in your own mind.

And when I go deep, I find that it's probably caused by the desire to fulfil

the unfulfilled desires in our lives which has taken the shape of an

addiction and we cannot give it up. This addiction becomes a part of

our life though we know that it may lead us to destruction. But, it

gives us that momentary pleasure, without which we feel the

emptiness and we don't want to give it up.

- No it only allows you to not face what is real in your life right now. It

nourrishes your illusion.

We like doing certain things so much that the thought of leaving that habit

scares us.

- Yes, exactly, because it takes courage to face what makes us suffers, to

accept the fact that we are responsible for that suffering.

If you nourish the habit, you nourish your suffering. It is a choice that you

make again and again. At first it might appears as uncouncious

choice or uncontrolable, but it remains a personnal choice. You have to work on

that choice making. You have to consider those choices

as external objects and with practice you can learn to evacuate them from your

mental structure and by doing so the mental structure itself will

be weaken and eventually it will vanish, and you will find yourself free,

directly connected with your essence.

To give some examples...

We love to think about the pleasant past. We get addicted to trying

to fulfil our unfulfilled desires of the past in our thoughts. This

addiction leads one to misery and agony. we know that past is an

illusion, but we still cannot give up this addiction of living in

the past in our thoughts as it gives us momentary illusive

satisfaction, a FALSE pleasure.......or not?

To give another example to explain a little more.....

The addiction to fame, addiction to praises can lead a person to

lies and pretensions. The person cannot tolerate criticism and

behaves abnormally. He loses his sense to judge the good and the

bad. It's only running after the praises, the desire to listen to

the good in oneself, to satisfy the hunger for fame that matters

then. Totally destructive as this addiction can be, makes one an

egoistic and blind person.

Similarly, the addiction to reach the top......Oh! another race,

another craving to win and only win.It makes a person dangerous. He

doesn't then bother about anyone else except for himself.

- Good examples of how a mind can get lost into illusions and mental patterns,

and worst get identify with those illusions.

Ít's hard to give up these addictions.

- Each time you tell yourself it is hard to give up those addictions, you plant

the seed in your mind that will allows you to have the excuse of not being able

to give up those addictions. So everytime you tell yourself it is difficult, you

should tell yourself 10 times, but it is possible, but it is possible...

We try to run after the

dreams which could not materialize. We try to make them real in our

thoughts. we know that the dream is far from reality and there are

other priorities which are more important but we try to fulfil our

desires and are never able to give them up. But the question

remains... how can we conquer these addictions? It's only and only

our will power which is capable of conquering our so long nurtured

addictions.To face the challenge is the key to conquer it.

- Not so much a matter of Will, but a matter of the attention of consciouness on

the fact that it is an illusion, that the mental structure gives them birth. If

you make it a question of WILL,

you want to fight it, you give reality to it and enforce its reality and

consequently enforce your separation from the Wholeness. If there is a

separation to create, it is between

the addiction and yourself.

We do all

know our limits and capabilities.

- I don't think so. Otherwise there wouldn't be any running after mirages.

To try to fulfil our dreams is

definitely not wrong but to get addicted to a fantasy, an idea or a

self-destructive concept and to run after it only leads to false

hopes and misery. Let's not run after a mirage, let's recognize the

Truth and have the courage to accept the reality.

- The process of growing is more important then achieving anything. The Truth

find itself in the growing process not in an achieving process.

Achieving is only a toy to play with for sometimes, you have to let it go to go

back to the growing process. If we would not do that we would all still crawling

and not walking yet.

Yves

~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

Sponsor

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June 28, 2004

Dear Yves,

Let me clarify one thing....I am not an evolved being. I write from

a very ordinary person's point of view which any normal person can

relate to. I have had experiences in life and my interaction with

people which inspire me to write (as a very ordinary person)...

It's not MY mental set up but ask any ORDINARY person who tries to

find out the answers to his questions will answer the same. What you

have written is very beautiful, I wish every body could follow the

path suggested by you. But important is to judge our own faults and

try to correct them. Even if you say that we dont know our

disabilities...I dont agree. We all know inside what are our

weaknesses, it's a diffrent thing that we dont want to admit ot

recognize them because of our ego.

As you said....

>Each time you tell yourself it is hard to give up those addictions,

you plant the seed in your mind that will allows you to have the

excuse of not being able to give up those addictions. So everytime

you tell yourself it is difficult, you should tell yourself 10

times, but it is possible, but it is possible...

TRUE, Very true. Thats what I am saying...develop your will power.

....face the challenge...right? Don't run away from it.

Anyways, nice churning. Loved it

regards

Manoshi

, Yves Décarie <yves>

wrote:

> Dear Manoshi,

>

> you wrote:

>

> Another thought of mine. Again not very astrological but a

reality,

> a truth.....writing from experience and observation...

>

> ADDICTION...GET RID OF IT:

>

> I always wonder, why there is an emptiness sometimes in our lives,

> the gap that we cannot fill, the pain of missing something?

>

> - It comes from the mental structure that you have constructed and

which allows you to see yourself separated from the Universe.

> All the rest that you have written about, is a description of how

you have elaborated this mental structure ( containing concepts,

beliefs, emotions),

> in your own mind.

>

> And when I go deep, I find that it's probably caused by the desire

to fulfil

> the unfulfilled desires in our lives which has taken the shape of

an

> addiction and we cannot give it up. This addiction becomes a part

of

> our life though we know that it may lead us to destruction. But,

it

> gives us that momentary pleasure, without which we feel the

> emptiness and we don't want to give it up.

>

> - No it only allows you to not face what is real in your life

right now. It nourrishes your illusion.

>

> We like doing certain things so much that the thought of leaving

that habit scares us.

>

> - Yes, exactly, because it takes courage to face what makes us

suffers, to accept the fact that we are responsible for that

suffering.

> If you nourish the habit, you nourish your suffering. It is a

choice that you make again and again. At first it might appears as

uncouncious

> choice or uncontrolable, but it remains a personnal choice. You

have to work on that choice making. You have to consider those

choices

> as external objects and with practice you can learn to evacuate

them from your mental structure and by doing so the mental structure

itself will

> be weaken and eventually it will vanish, and you will find

yourself free, directly connected with your essence.

>

> To give some examples...

>

> We love to think about the pleasant past. We get addicted to

trying

> to fulfil our unfulfilled desires of the past in our thoughts.

This

> addiction leads one to misery and agony. we know that past is an

> illusion, but we still cannot give up this addiction of living in

> the past in our thoughts as it gives us momentary illusive

> satisfaction, a FALSE pleasure.......or not?

>

> To give another example to explain a little more.....

>

> The addiction to fame, addiction to praises can lead a person to

> lies and pretensions. The person cannot tolerate criticism and

> behaves abnormally. He loses his sense to judge the good and the

> bad. It's only running after the praises, the desire to listen to

> the good in oneself, to satisfy the hunger for fame that matters

> then. Totally destructive as this addiction can be, makes one an

> egoistic and blind person.

>

> Similarly, the addiction to reach the top......Oh! another race,

> another craving to win and only win.It makes a person dangerous.

He

> doesn't then bother about anyone else except for himself.

>

> - Good examples of how a mind can get lost into illusions and

mental patterns, and worst get identify with those illusions.

>

> Ít's hard to give up these addictions.

>

> - Each time you tell yourself it is hard to give up those

addictions, you plant the seed in your mind that will allows you to

have the excuse of not being able to give up those addictions. So

everytime you tell yourself it is difficult, you should tell

yourself 10 times, but it is possible, but it is possible...

>

> We try to run after the

> dreams which could not materialize. We try to make them real in

our

> thoughts. we know that the dream is far from reality and there are

> other priorities which are more important but we try to fulfil our

> desires and are never able to give them up. But the question

> remains... how can we conquer these addictions? It's only and only

> our will power which is capable of conquering our so long nurtured

> addictions.To face the challenge is the key to conquer it.

>

> - Not so much a matter of Will, but a matter of the attention of

consciouness on the fact that it is an illusion, that the mental

structure gives them birth. If you make it a question of WILL,

> you want to fight it, you give reality to it and enforce its

reality and consequently enforce your separation from the Wholeness.

If there is a separation to create, it is between

> the addiction and yourself.

>

> We do all

> know our limits and capabilities.

>

> - I don't think so. Otherwise there wouldn't be any running after

mirages.

>

> To try to fulfil our dreams is

> definitely not wrong but to get addicted to a fantasy, an idea or

a

> self-destructive concept and to run after it only leads to false

> hopes and misery. Let's not run after a mirage, let's recognize

the

> Truth and have the courage to accept the reality.

>

> - The process of growing is more important then achieving

anything. The Truth find itself in the growing process not in an

achieving process.

> Achieving is only a toy to play with for sometimes, you have to

let it go to go back to the growing process. If we would not do that

we would all still crawling and not walking yet.

>

> Yves

>

> ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

>

> Sponsor

>

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June 28, 2004

Dear Yves,

I will give you another example....from my real experience.

People hide behind a disguise to put another person down...so that

his/her image is not tarnished. Isn't that abnormal? Well, again

this example is for a very normal, ordinary person...not for evolved

beings.

I hope you relate to this at least ;-)

regards

Manoshi

-- In , "khallopapa"

<khallopapa> wrote:

> Dear Yves,

>

> Let me clarify one thing....I am not an evolved being. I write

from

> a very ordinary person's point of view which any normal person can

> relate to. I have had experiences in life and my interaction with

> people which inspire me to write (as a very ordinary person)...

> It's not MY mental set up but ask any ORDINARY person who tries to

> find out the answers to his questions will answer the same. What

you

> have written is very beautiful, I wish every body could follow the

> path suggested by you. But important is to judge our own faults

and

> try to correct them. Even if you say that we dont know our

> disabilities...I dont agree. We all know inside what are our

> weaknesses, it's a diffrent thing that we dont want to admit ot

> recognize them because of our ego.

> As you said....

> >Each time you tell yourself it is hard to give up those

addictions,

> you plant the seed in your mind that will allows you to have the

> excuse of not being able to give up those addictions. So everytime

> you tell yourself it is difficult, you should tell yourself 10

> times, but it is possible, but it is possible...

>

> TRUE, Very true. Thats what I am saying...develop your will power.

> ...face the challenge...right? Don't run away from it.

>

> Anyways, nice churning. Loved it

>

> regards

> Manoshi

> , Yves Décarie <yves>

> wrote:

> > Dear Manoshi,

> >

> > you wrote:

> >

> > Another thought of mine. Again not very astrological but a

> reality,

> > a truth.....writing from experience and observation...

> >

> > ADDICTION...GET RID OF IT:

> >

> > I always wonder, why there is an emptiness sometimes in our

lives,

> > the gap that we cannot fill, the pain of missing something?

> >

> > - It comes from the mental structure that you have constructed

and

> which allows you to see yourself separated from the Universe.

> > All the rest that you have written about, is a description of

how

> you have elaborated this mental structure ( containing concepts,

> beliefs, emotions),

> > in your own mind.

> >

> > And when I go deep, I find that it's probably caused by the

desire

> to fulfil

> > the unfulfilled desires in our lives which has taken the shape

of

> an

> > addiction and we cannot give it up. This addiction becomes a

part

> of

> > our life though we know that it may lead us to destruction.

But,

> it

> > gives us that momentary pleasure, without which we feel the

> > emptiness and we don't want to give it up.

> >

> > - No it only allows you to not face what is real in your life

> right now. It nourrishes your illusion.

> >

> > We like doing certain things so much that the thought of leaving

> that habit scares us.

> >

> > - Yes, exactly, because it takes courage to face what makes us

> suffers, to accept the fact that we are responsible for that

> suffering.

> > If you nourish the habit, you nourish your suffering. It is a

> choice that you make again and again. At first it might appears as

> uncouncious

> > choice or uncontrolable, but it remains a personnal choice. You

> have to work on that choice making. You have to consider those

> choices

> > as external objects and with practice you can learn to evacuate

> them from your mental structure and by doing so the mental

structure

> itself will

> > be weaken and eventually it will vanish, and you will find

> yourself free, directly connected with your essence.

> >

> > To give some examples...

> >

> > We love to think about the pleasant past. We get addicted to

> trying

> > to fulfil our unfulfilled desires of the past in our thoughts.

> This

> > addiction leads one to misery and agony. we know that past is

an

> > illusion, but we still cannot give up this addiction of living

in

> > the past in our thoughts as it gives us momentary illusive

> > satisfaction, a FALSE pleasure.......or not?

> >

> > To give another example to explain a little more.....

> >

> > The addiction to fame, addiction to praises can lead a person to

> > lies and pretensions. The person cannot tolerate criticism and

> > behaves abnormally. He loses his sense to judge the good and the

> > bad. It's only running after the praises, the desire to listen

to

> > the good in oneself, to satisfy the hunger for fame that matters

> > then. Totally destructive as this addiction can be, makes one

an

> > egoistic and blind person.

> >

> > Similarly, the addiction to reach the top......Oh! another race,

> > another craving to win and only win.It makes a person dangerous.

> He

> > doesn't then bother about anyone else except for himself.

> >

> > - Good examples of how a mind can get lost into illusions and

> mental patterns, and worst get identify with those illusions.

> >

> > Ít's hard to give up these addictions.

> >

> > - Each time you tell yourself it is hard to give up those

> addictions, you plant the seed in your mind that will allows you

to

> have the excuse of not being able to give up those addictions. So

> everytime you tell yourself it is difficult, you should tell

> yourself 10 times, but it is possible, but it is possible...

> >

> > We try to run after the

> > dreams which could not materialize. We try to make them real in

> our

> > thoughts. we know that the dream is far from reality and there

are

> > other priorities which are more important but we try to fulfil

our

> > desires and are never able to give them up. But the question

> > remains... how can we conquer these addictions? It's only and

only

> > our will power which is capable of conquering our so long

nurtured

> > addictions.To face the challenge is the key to conquer it.

> >

> > - Not so much a matter of Will, but a matter of the attention of

> consciouness on the fact that it is an illusion, that the mental

> structure gives them birth. If you make it a question of WILL,

> > you want to fight it, you give reality to it and enforce its

> reality and consequently enforce your separation from the

Wholeness.

> If there is a separation to create, it is between

> > the addiction and yourself.

> >

> > We do all

> > know our limits and capabilities.

> >

> > - I don't think so. Otherwise there wouldn't be any running

after

> mirages.

> >

> > To try to fulfil our dreams is

> > definitely not wrong but to get addicted to a fantasy, an idea

or

> a

> > self-destructive concept and to run after it only leads to false

> > hopes and misery. Let's not run after a mirage, let's recognize

> the

> > Truth and have the courage to accept the reality.

> >

> > - The process of growing is more important then achieving

> anything. The Truth find itself in the growing process not in an

> achieving process.

> > Achieving is only a toy to play with for sometimes, you have to

> let it go to go back to the growing process. If we would not do

that

> we would all still crawling and not walking yet.

> >

> > Yves

> >

> > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> >

> > Sponsor

> >

> > --------------------------------

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> -------------

> >

> > Links

> >

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> >

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> >

> > c.. Terms

> of Service.

> >

June 28, 2004

Dear Manoshi,

thank you for your genuine sincerity in your writtings. I feel that you wish to

be clear intellectually and well understood from the heart, and you are.

Let me clarify one thing....I am not an evolved being. I write from

a very ordinary person's point of view which any normal person can

relate to. I have had experiences in life and my interaction with

people which inspire me to write (as a very ordinary person)...

- Generalizations are used to hide our own weaknesses. It unfortunatly allows us

to not speak anymore from our direct point of view, and allows us to excuse

ourselves of what we are. This is not necessary, it is even damaging for your

spiritual progress, because it critalize thoughts into a belief system to which

we can refer constantly and perpetuate our mistakes.

You are not an evolved being, and you are not, not an evolved being.

You are not an ordinary man, and you are not, not an ordinary man.

You are simply perfect as you are right now, because what you are right now is

the best thing you can be right now.

Accept this, right now, and you won't need will power anymore to change

anything, because the process of life will then be unobstructed.

This process is ever evolving, ever changing. It is the chemistry of life.

You had experiences in your life and interactions, but you are not those

experiences and interactions.

You are new at every moment of life. This experience right now of readings those

lines is the only experience that exists.

It's not MY mental set up but ask any ORDINARY person who tries to

find out the answers to his questions will answer the same.

- Generalizations.

What you have written is very beautiful, I wish every body could follow the

path suggested by you. But important is to judge our own faults and

try to correct them. Even if you say that we dont know our

disabilities...I dont agree. We all know inside what are our

weaknesses,

- One of an existing fault could be not knowing how to recognize our

disabilities. The problem with generalizations is that it goes both ways. First

we feel good because we feel like everybody else, and the second step is to put

everybody else where we are...You might be able to recognize your own

disabilities, and it is a favorable ability in the process of growing, but not

«everybody» does. Do not put yourself in a general basket, and don't put

everybody else in yours....It will help you to find exactly your inner centre.

it's a diffrent thing that we dont want to admit ot

recognize them because of our ego.

- Yes, ego thing. Like generalization is also an ego thing.

As you said....

>Each time you tell yourself it is hard to give up those addictions,

you plant the seed in your mind that will allows you to have the

excuse of not being able to give up those addictions. So everytime

you tell yourself it is difficult, you should tell yourself 10

times, but it is possible, but it is possible...

TRUE, Very true. Thats what I am saying...develop your will power.

....face the challenge...right? Don't run away from it.

- This is a delicate aspect. You have to be a spiritual warrior, one who is so

ready that he doesn't have to pull out his sword because his inner vigilance

allows him to not let the thought pattern to even arise in his conciousness. It

takes practice and time. At first you have to cut the heads of those thoughts

pattern, you can do it in your mind - slash! - and eventually they will vanish.

Anyways, nice churning. Loved it

- Regards

Yves

regards

Manoshi

, Yves Décarie <yves>

wrote:

> Dear Manoshi,

>

> you wrote:

>

> Another thought of mine. Again not very astrological but a

reality,

> a truth.....writing from experience and observation...

>

> ADDICTION...GET RID OF IT:

>

> I always wonder, why there is an emptiness sometimes in our lives,

> the gap that we cannot fill, the pain of missing something?

>

> - It comes from the mental structure that you have constructed and

which allows you to see yourself separated from the Universe.

> All the rest that you have written about, is a description of how

you have elaborated this mental structure ( containing concepts,

beliefs, emotions),

> in your own mind.

>

> And when I go deep, I find that it's probably caused by the desire

to fulfil

> the unfulfilled desires in our lives which has taken the shape of

an

> addiction and we cannot give it up. This addiction becomes a part

of

> our life though we know that it may lead us to destruction. But,

it

> gives us that momentary pleasure, without which we feel the

> emptiness and we don't want to give it up.

>

> - No it only allows you to not face what is real in your life

right now. It nourrishes your illusion.

>

> We like doing certain things so much that the thought of leaving

that habit scares us.

>

> - Yes, exactly, because it takes courage to face what makes us

suffers, to accept the fact that we are responsible for that

suffering.

> If you nourish the habit, you nourish your suffering. It is a

choice that you make again and again. At first it might appears as

uncouncious

> choice or uncontrolable, but it remains a personnal choice. You

have to work on that choice making. You have to consider those

choices

> as external objects and with practice you can learn to evacuate

them from your mental structure and by doing so the mental structure

itself will

> be weaken and eventually it will vanish, and you will find

yourself free, directly connected with your essence.

>

> To give some examples...

>

> We love to think about the pleasant past. We get addicted to

trying

> to fulfil our unfulfilled desires of the past in our thoughts.

This

> addiction leads one to misery and agony. we know that past is an

> illusion, but we still cannot give up this addiction of living in

> the past in our thoughts as it gives us momentary illusive

> satisfaction, a FALSE pleasure.......or not?

>

> To give another example to explain a little more.....

>

> The addiction to fame, addiction to praises can lead a person to

> lies and pretensions. The person cannot tolerate criticism and

> behaves abnormally. He loses his sense to judge the good and the

> bad. It's only running after the praises, the desire to listen to

> the good in oneself, to satisfy the hunger for fame that matters

> then. Totally destructive as this addiction can be, makes one an

> egoistic and blind person.

>

> Similarly, the addiction to reach the top......Oh! another race,

> another craving to win and only win.It makes a person dangerous.

He

> doesn't then bother about anyone else except for himself.

>

> - Good examples of how a mind can get lost into illusions and

mental patterns, and worst get identify with those illusions.

>

> Ít's hard to give up these addictions.

>

> - Each time you tell yourself it is hard to give up those

addictions, you plant the seed in your mind that will allows you to

have the excuse of not being able to give up those addictions. So

everytime you tell yourself it is difficult, you should tell

yourself 10 times, but it is possible, but it is possible...

>

> We try to run after the

> dreams which could not materialize. We try to make them real in

our

> thoughts. we know that the dream is far from reality and there are

> other priorities which are more important but we try to fulfil our

> desires and are never able to give them up. But the question

> remains... how can we conquer these addictions? It's only and only

> our will power which is capable of conquering our so long nurtured

> addictions.To face the challenge is the key to conquer it.

>

> - Not so much a matter of Will, but a matter of the attention of

consciouness on the fact that it is an illusion, that the mental

structure gives them birth. If you make it a question of WILL,

> you want to fight it, you give reality to it and enforce its

reality and consequently enforce your separation from the Wholeness.

If there is a separation to create, it is between

> the addiction and yourself.

>

> We do all

> know our limits and capabilities.

>

> - I don't think so. Otherwise there wouldn't be any running after

mirages.

>

> To try to fulfil our dreams is

> definitely not wrong but to get addicted to a fantasy, an idea or

a

> self-destructive concept and to run after it only leads to false

> hopes and misery. Let's not run after a mirage, let's recognize

the

> Truth and have the courage to accept the reality.

>

> - The process of growing is more important then achieving

anything. The Truth find itself in the growing process not in an

achieving process.

> Achieving is only a toy to play with for sometimes, you have to

let it go to go back to the growing process. If we would not do that

we would all still crawling and not walking yet.

>

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Dear Manoshi,

you wrote:

I will give you another example....from my real experience.

People hide behind a disguise to put another person down...so that

his/her image is not tarnished. Isn't that abnormal? Well, again

this example is for a very normal, ordinary person...not for evolved

beings.

I hope you relate to this at least ;-)

- No this is a very normal reaction, simply because it exists. Maybe not

suitable, but normal. We don't have to judge others.

If the person did it, it is because it is the way that that person knows how to

survive to a treatening situation for him or her.

It is a learning process that saved the equilibrium of that person once or maybe

twice or more in the past( it may be a very old pattern). So it has been very

useful to that person. This person is now repeating what he has learned in the

past in unfit situations in the present and that may cause harm. So this person

has to learn that this mechanisim is not necessary anymore, and may have to

learn to react to what exists in front of him only, and not to react to memories

that he has. On your side you have the right to tell that person that his

reaction in unfit to the situation. More people will tell him, more chances he

will have to realize that his reactions are not suitable.

regards

Yves

regards

Manoshi

-- In , "khallopapa"

<khallopapa> wrote:

> Dear Yves,

>

> Let me clarify one thing....I am not an evolved being. I write

from

> a very ordinary person's point of view which any normal person can

> relate to. I have had experiences in life and my interaction with

> people which inspire me to write (as a very ordinary person)...

> It's not MY mental set up but ask any ORDINARY person who tries to

> find out the answers to his questions will answer the same. What

you

> have written is very beautiful, I wish every body could follow the

> path suggested by you. But important is to judge our own faults

and

> try to correct them. Even if you say that we dont know our

> disabilities...I dont agree. We all know inside what are our

> weaknesses, it's a diffrent thing that we dont want to admit ot

> recognize them because of our ego.

> As you said....

> >Each time you tell yourself it is hard to give up those

addictions,

> you plant the seed in your mind that will allows you to have the

> excuse of not being able to give up those addictions. So everytime

> you tell yourself it is difficult, you should tell yourself 10

> times, but it is possible, but it is possible...

>

> TRUE, Very true. Thats what I am saying...develop your will power.

> ...face the challenge...right? Don't run away from it.

>

> Anyways, nice churning. Loved it

>

> regards

> Manoshi

> , Yves Décarie <yves>

> wrote:

> > Dear Manoshi,

> >

> > you wrote:

> >

> > Another thought of mine. Again not very astrological but a

> reality,

> > a truth.....writing from experience and observation...

> >

> > ADDICTION...GET RID OF IT:

> >

> > I always wonder, why there is an emptiness sometimes in our

lives,

> > the gap that we cannot fill, the pain of missing something?

> >

> > - It comes from the mental structure that you have constructed

and

> which allows you to see yourself separated from the Universe.

> > All the rest that you have written about, is a description of

how

> you have elaborated this mental structure ( containing concepts,

> beliefs, emotions),

> > in your own mind.

> >

> > And when I go deep, I find that it's probably caused by the

desire

> to fulfil

> > the unfulfilled desires in our lives which has taken the shape

of

> an

> > addiction and we cannot give it up. This addiction becomes a

part

> of

> > our life though we know that it may lead us to destruction.

But,

> it

> > gives us that momentary pleasure, without which we feel the

> > emptiness and we don't want to give it up.

> >

> > - No it only allows you to not face what is real in your life

> right now. It nourrishes your illusion.

> >

> > We like doing certain things so much that the thought of leaving

> that habit scares us.

> >

> > - Yes, exactly, because it takes courage to face what makes us

> suffers, to accept the fact that we are responsible for that

> suffering.

> > If you nourish the habit, you nourish your suffering. It is a

> choice that you make again and again. At first it might appears as

> uncouncious

> > choice or uncontrolable, but it remains a personnal choice. You

> have to work on that choice making. You have to consider those

> choices

> > as external objects and with practice you can learn to evacuate

> them from your mental structure and by doing so the mental

structure

> itself will

> > be weaken and eventually it will vanish, and you will find

> yourself free, directly connected with your essence.

> >

> > To give some examples...

> >

> > We love to think about the pleasant past. We get addicted to

> trying

> > to fulfil our unfulfilled desires of the past in our thoughts.

> This

> > addiction leads one to misery and agony. we know that past is

an

> > illusion, but we still cannot give up this addiction of living

in

> > the past in our thoughts as it gives us momentary illusive

> > satisfaction, a FALSE pleasure.......or not?

> >

> > To give another example to explain a little more.....

> >

> > The addiction to fame, addiction to praises can lead a person to

> > lies and pretensions. The person cannot tolerate criticism and

> > behaves abnormally. He loses his sense to judge the good and the

> > bad. It's only running after the praises, the desire to listen

to

> > the good in oneself, to satisfy the hunger for fame that matters

> > then. Totally destructive as this addiction can be, makes one

an

> > egoistic and blind person.

> >

> > Similarly, the addiction to reach the top......Oh! another race,

> > another craving to win and only win.It makes a person dangerous.

> He

> > doesn't then bother about anyone else except for himself.

> >

> > - Good examples of how a mind can get lost into illusions and

> mental patterns, and worst get identify with those illusions.

> >

> > Ít's hard to give up these addictions.

> >

> > - Each time you tell yourself it is hard to give up those

> addictions, you plant the seed in your mind that will allows you

to

> have the excuse of not being able to give up those addictions. So

> everytime you tell yourself it is difficult, you should tell

> yourself 10 times, but it is possible, but it is possible...

> >

> > We try to run after the

> > dreams which could not materialize. We try to make them real in

> our

> > thoughts. we know that the dream is far from reality and there

are

> > other priorities which are more important but we try to fulfil

our

> > desires and are never able to give them up. But the question

> > remains... how can we conquer these addictions? It's only and

only

> > our will power which is capable of conquering our so long

nurtured

> > addictions.To face the challenge is the key to conquer it.

> >

> > - Not so much a matter of Will, but a matter of the attention of

> consciouness on the fact that it is an illusion, that the mental

> structure gives them birth. If you make it a question of WILL,

> > you want to fight it, you give reality to it and enforce its

> reality and consequently enforce your separation from the

Wholeness.

> If there is a separation to create, it is between

> > the addiction and yourself.

> >

> > We do all

> > know our limits and capabilities.

> >

> > - I don't think so. Otherwise there wouldn't be any running

after

> mirages.

> >

> > To try to fulfil our dreams is

> > definitely not wrong but to get addicted to a fantasy, an idea

or

> a

> > self-destructive concept and to run after it only leads to false

> > hopes and misery. Let's not run after a mirage, let's recognize

> the

> > Truth and have the courage to accept the reality.

> >

> > - The process of growing is more important then achieving

> anything. The Truth find itself in the growing process not in an

> achieving process.

> > Achieving is only a toy to play with for sometimes, you have to

> let it go to go back to the growing process. If we would not do

that

> we would all still crawling and not walking yet.

> >

> > Yves

> >

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June 29, 2004

Dear Friends

i am confused with this post. Not exactly sure if the subject is in context to

the contents

Are we discussing on :

Addictions (feel its an over-kill to use this word in context to the post )

[ OR ]

Human Dreams, determination & efforts ( however irrational )

[ OR ]

HYPOCRISY or other human negative traits.

Please clarify.

Incidentally one of my fave mythological heros is KARNA in the mahabharat.. he

knew his position & yet i

cant help but love him for his principles... does that make him addictive ??

Sorry, if i spoke too soon, i definitely will re-read the post in detail at home

without distractions.

rgds

Manju

Yves Décarie [yves]

Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:06 AM

Re: Addiction.....Get Rid of It