Making up of a the chart if the birth took place by a C-section.

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

I am learning astrology and am faced with this question. What time

of birth should be used in case the birth took place by a C-section

or operation.

 

If the mother went into labor sometime earlier and then the child

was born by an operation, but a couple of hours later, so in such a

case what time of birth should be used.

 

I would appreciate if someone could answer this question.

 

Thanks,

Rajesh.

[Guest guest]

Dear Rajesh,

 

The undersigned takes Crying time of Baby as birthtime.

This was taught to him by his grandfather and Guru both.

 

Tatvam-Asi

[Guest guest]

Dear Rajesh,

 

The time at which umbilical cord is cut is taken as time of birth and to best of

my understanding that is a time which is recorded by Hospitals also as time of

birth.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

-

lifeislovelyandgr8

Friday, June 18, 2004 12:48 AM

Making up of a the chart if the birth took place by a C-section.

 

 

Dear All,

 

I am learning astrology and am faced with this question. What time

of birth should be used in case the birth took place by a C-section

or operation.

 

If the mother went into labor sometime earlier and then the child

was born by an operation, but a couple of hours later, so in such a

case what time of birth should be used.

 

I would appreciate if someone could answer this question.

 

Thanks,

Rajesh.

 

 

 

~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Tatvam-asi and Anil,

 

Thanks for the information, but I see a very weird situation with

regard to one person. The person seems to have all or most

characteristics of the nakshatra when the mother went in for labor

and has very little resemblance to that when the person is actually

born after the C-section operation.

 

So would like to know if you have seen something similar to this.

The time of birth is as 6:35 pm.. the nakshatra is Ashlesha and when

the time the mother went into labor before was 6:00 am. Then the

nakshatra turns up to be Pushyami. But from what I see the person

does not have the characteristic "eyes" of the person born in

Ashlesha nakshatra. But the person seems to have some characteristics

like being clever of Ashlesha nakshatra.. I attribute cleverness to

Ashlesha being ruled by Mercury. But the looks and all other

characteristics match with pushyami. This seemed pretty weird to me.

 

I would appreciate if you could shed some light on the same.

 

thanks and regards,

Rajesh.

 

, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

wrote:

> Dear Rajesh,

>

> The time at which umbilical cord is cut is taken as time of birth

and to best of my understanding that is a time which is recorded by

Hospitals also as time of birth.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

> -

> lifeislovelyandgr8

>

> Friday, June 18, 2004 12:48 AM

> Making up of a the chart if the birth took place by

a C-section.

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> I am learning astrology and am faced with this question. What

time

> of birth should be used in case the birth took place by a C-

section

> or operation.

>

> If the mother went into labor sometime earlier and then the

child

> was born by an operation, but a couple of hours later, so in such

a

> case what time of birth should be used.

>

> I would appreciate if someone could answer this question.

>

> Thanks,

> Rajesh.

>

>

>

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Dear all,

 

does even a few mins variance for whatever various reasons..like un-synchronised

watches

 

OR other methods of recognising the time of birth

 

cause difference in the horoscope analysis ??

 

rgds

Manju

 

 

 

 

Anil VSNL [gogatea]

Friday, June 18, 2004 7:40 AM

 

Re: Making up of a the chart if the birth took place by a

C-section.

 

 

Dear Rajesh,

 

The time at which umbilical cord is cut is taken as time of birth and to best of

my understanding that is a time which is recorded by Hospitals also as time of

birth.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

-

lifeislovelyandgr8

Friday, June 18, 2004 12:48 AM

Making up of a the chart if the birth took place by a C-section.

 

 

Dear All,

 

I am learning astrology and am faced with this question. What time

of birth should be used in case the birth took place by a C-section

or operation.

 

If the mother went into labor sometime earlier and then the child

was born by an operation, but a couple of hours later, so in such a

case what time of birth should be used.

 

I would appreciate if someone could answer this question.

 

Thanks,

Rajesh.

 

 

 

~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

 

 

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[Guest guest]

just a note of caution, Rajesh. Features based on one indicator such

as the nakshatra can be deceptive at times. Navamsha lagna must also

be studied as well as the 2nd house in some cases gives a better

match with facial features. It is not a cut and dry matter at all.

 

RR

 

, "lifeislovelyandgr8"

<lifeislovelyandgr8> wrote:

> Thanks Tatvam-asi and Anil,

>

> Thanks for the information, but I see a very weird situation

with

> regard to one person. The person seems to have all or most

> characteristics of the nakshatra when the mother went in for labor

> and has very little resemblance to that when the person is

actually

> born after the C-section operation.

>

> So would like to know if you have seen something similar to

this.

> The time of birth is as 6:35 pm.. the nakshatra is Ashlesha and

when

> the time the mother went into labor before was 6:00 am. Then the

> nakshatra turns up to be Pushyami. But from what I see the person

> does not have the characteristic "eyes" of the person born in

> Ashlesha nakshatra. But the person seems to have some

characteristics

> like being clever of Ashlesha nakshatra.. I attribute cleverness

to

> Ashlesha being ruled by Mercury. But the looks and all other

> characteristics match with pushyami. This seemed pretty weird to

me.

>

> I would appreciate if you could shed some light on the same.

>

> thanks and regards,

> Rajesh.

>

> , Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Rajesh,

> >

> > The time at which umbilical cord is cut is taken as time of

birth

> and to best of my understanding that is a time which is recorded

by

> Hospitals also as time of birth.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Anil

> > -

> > lifeislovelyandgr8

> >

> > Friday, June 18, 2004 12:48 AM

> > Making up of a the chart if the birth took place

by

> a C-section.

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I am learning astrology and am faced with this question.

What

> time

> > of birth should be used in case the birth took place by a C-

> section

> > or operation.

> >

> > If the mother went into labor sometime earlier and then the

> child

> > was born by an operation, but a couple of hours later, so in

such

> a

> > case what time of birth should be used.

> >

> > I would appreciate if someone could answer this question.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Rajesh.

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Yes if the ascendant is on the cusp of two signs, for instance --

and if you use dashas like kalachakra which can have significant

change in periods with minor differences and also if you use some of

the finer amshas. Complicating the matter, of course, is the

ayanamsha and if you use unequal house divisions etc.

 

RR

 

, "Manjunath, T \(MED\)"

<T.Manjunath@g...> wrote:

> Dear all,

>

> does even a few mins variance for whatever various reasons..like

un-synchronised watches

>

> OR other methods of recognising the time of birth

>

> cause difference in the horoscope analysis ??

>

> rgds

> Manju

>

>

>

>

> Anil VSNL [gogatea@v...]

> Friday, June 18, 2004 7:40 AM

>

> Re: Making up of a the chart if the birth took place

by a

> C-section.

>

>

> Dear Rajesh,

>

> The time at which umbilical cord is cut is taken as time of birth

and to best of my understanding that is a time which is recorded by

Hospitals also as time of birth.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

> -

> lifeislovelyandgr8

>

> Friday, June 18, 2004 12:48 AM

> Making up of a the chart if the birth took place

by a C-section.

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> I am learning astrology and am faced with this question. What

time

> of birth should be used in case the birth took place by a C-

section

> or operation.

>

> If the mother went into labor sometime earlier and then the

child

> was born by an operation, but a couple of hours later, so in

such a

> case what time of birth should be used.

>

> I would appreciate if someone could answer this question.

>

> Thanks,

> Rajesh.

>

>

>

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Me too!

I have written earlier somewhere about why I think the first breath

to be the important thing, as well.

 

I think Varahamihira or one of the classics indicates that in

kaliyuga bhumipatanam (delivery of the full body and being caught in

the hands or tray by the midwifery team) was the moment to be taken

to represent birth. This is usually associated with the first cry or

first breath (not always a cry, mind you!). This is the moment we

take.

 

In most births (normal ones anyway and I have been privileged to

witness a few directly by being present when those happened, so

speak from first hand experience), the events happen rather quickly,

delivery of the body, first cry/breath [the first sign of life] that

it is a good epoch to shoot for. In some cases, the first cry

happens a couple of minutes after the full body is delivered, but

there is often a sign, a sound emitted by the neonate or movement

which then can serve as the moment of birth. In the case of MOST

infants, all this becomes academic because of the excitement and

hustle bustle in the delivery room, there is no one recording the

process unless an astrology saavy father is present or perhaps a

midwifery team member who is in tune with the reality of astrology.

 

Given the more serious differences in ayanamshas and those inherent

in software etc., in MANY if not M-O-S-T cases, this is all

academic, anyway!

 

 

RR

 

, "om_tatsat_om"

<om_tatsat_om> wrote:

>

> Dear Rajesh,

>

> The undersigned takes Crying time of Baby as birthtime.

> This was taught to him by his grandfather and Guru both.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

[Guest guest]

Umm, err.. the important point that this old man with limited

intelligence forgot to add ---

Don't waste time worrying about things like these? No matter how

pressed for time an astrologer is, charging or not, in a given case

of astrological delineation, his or her contribution or investment

would be far less than that of the nativity who is stuck with his or

her chart and has to expend a lifetime going through the

astrological clinical trial called Human experience. What I am

saying/recommending is look at all charts, right and wrong, without

a sense of having wasted time, because a lot of useful information

and sometimes knowledge emerges from even studying charts for wrong

times etc. Don't be miserly in the efforts you put into astrology

when you are learning or beginning to learn astrology. There will

come a time when you can be more focussed and discriminatory as to

how many or which charts you will look at. That time is not NOW,

keep telling yourself, regardless of what others tell you!

 

RR

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Me too!

> I have written earlier somewhere about why I think the first

breath

> to be the important thing, as well.

>

> I think Varahamihira or one of the classics indicates that in

> kaliyuga bhumipatanam (delivery of the full body and being caught

in

> the hands or tray by the midwifery team) was the moment to be

taken

> to represent birth. This is usually associated with the first cry

or

> first breath (not always a cry, mind you!). This is the moment we

> take.

>

> In most births (normal ones anyway and I have been privileged to

> witness a few directly by being present when those happened, so

> speak from first hand experience), the events happen rather

quickly,

> delivery of the body, first cry/breath [the first sign of life]

that

> it is a good epoch to shoot for. In some cases, the first cry

> happens a couple of minutes after the full body is delivered, but

> there is often a sign, a sound emitted by the neonate or movement

> which then can serve as the moment of birth. In the case of MOST

> infants, all this becomes academic because of the excitement and

> hustle bustle in the delivery room, there is no one recording the

> process unless an astrology saavy father is present or perhaps a

> midwifery team member who is in tune with the reality of astrology.

>

> Given the more serious differences in ayanamshas and those

inherent

> in software etc., in MANY if not M-O-S-T cases, this is all

> academic, anyway!

>

>

> RR

>

> , "om_tatsat_om"

> <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rajesh,

> >

> > The undersigned takes Crying time of Baby as birthtime.

> > This was taught to him by his grandfather and Guru both.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

[Guest guest]

Dear RR,

 

Thanks for your inputs. Yes, I indeed need to read more and put in

more effort into trying to figure out what is evident.

 

Yes, as u mentioned about the saturn ascendent, the person does

have a beautiful smile, but not too good teeth. Does not have a round

face, but has an oval face. Yes, the cheeks are a little chubby or

something like that and appears to have a dimple on the chin. The

person seems to have a pretty thick voice and eats the food very

slowly.

 

But the only thing which is missing is the characteristic eyes of

the ashlesha born, which I was a little amazed to find.

 

Would you have some idea on this though?

 

I think I should look into the other charts and read up more on

this.

 

Thanks,

Rajesh.

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Umm, err.. the important point that this old man with limited

> intelligence forgot to add ---

> Don't waste time worrying about things like these? No matter how

> pressed for time an astrologer is, charging or not, in a given case

> of astrological delineation, his or her contribution or investment

> would be far less than that of the nativity who is stuck with his

or

> her chart and has to expend a lifetime going through the

> astrological clinical trial called Human experience. What I am

> saying/recommending is look at all charts, right and wrong, without

> a sense of having wasted time, because a lot of useful information

> and sometimes knowledge emerges from even studying charts for wrong

> times etc. Don't be miserly in the efforts you put into astrology

> when you are learning or beginning to learn astrology. There will

> come a time when you can be more focussed and discriminatory as to

> how many or which charts you will look at. That time is not NOW,

> keep telling yourself, regardless of what others tell you!

>

> RR

>

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Me too!

> > I have written earlier somewhere about why I think the first

> breath

> > to be the important thing, as well.

> >

> > I think Varahamihira or one of the classics indicates that in

> > kaliyuga bhumipatanam (delivery of the full body and being caught

> in

> > the hands or tray by the midwifery team) was the moment to be

> taken

> > to represent birth. This is usually associated with the first cry

> or

> > first breath (not always a cry, mind you!). This is the moment we

> > take.

> >

> > In most births (normal ones anyway and I have been privileged to

> > witness a few directly by being present when those happened, so

> > speak from first hand experience), the events happen rather

> quickly,

> > delivery of the body, first cry/breath [the first sign of life]

> that

> > it is a good epoch to shoot for. In some cases, the first cry

> > happens a couple of minutes after the full body is delivered, but

> > there is often a sign, a sound emitted by the neonate or movement

> > which then can serve as the moment of birth. In the case of MOST

> > infants, all this becomes academic because of the excitement and

> > hustle bustle in the delivery room, there is no one recording the

> > process unless an astrology saavy father is present or perhaps a

> > midwifery team member who is in tune with the reality of

astrology.

> >

> > Given the more serious differences in ayanamshas and those

> inherent

> > in software etc., in MANY if not M-O-S-T cases, this is all

> > academic, anyway!

> >

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "om_tatsat_om"

> > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rajesh,

> > >

> > > The undersigned takes Crying time of Baby as birthtime.

> > > This was taught to him by his grandfather and Guru both.

> > >

> > > Tatvam-Asi

[Guest guest]

I have never found the nakshatras or whatever is described for them

physically (for ascendant or lunar nakshatras) as matching to a

large extent with physical features. This nativity obviously has a

mixture of features that match with moon, venus, mercury and saturn

and cancer. Which is just as it should be if astrology really

applies to reality! Many planets/signs influence an entity as

personal indicators (article alert! I will stop there!!) so tread

the waters carefully and do not make up your mind too quickly.

 

Like in all areas in real life, mental flexibility (open-mindedness)

in matters astrological is the healthy way! Make up your mind too

soon (in many case a few charts) and Nature is gonna hit you in the

small of back with its ONE predictable attribute = VARIABILITY!

 

After all, we are not creatures born out of nanotechnology!

 

RR

 

, "lifeislovelyandgr8"

<lifeislovelyandgr8> wrote:

> Dear RR,

>

> Thanks for your inputs. Yes, I indeed need to read more and put

in

> more effort into trying to figure out what is evident.

>

> Yes, as u mentioned about the saturn ascendent, the person does

> have a beautiful smile, but not too good teeth. Does not have a

round

> face, but has an oval face. Yes, the cheeks are a little chubby or

> something like that and appears to have a dimple on the chin. The

> person seems to have a pretty thick voice and eats the food very

> slowly.

>

> But the only thing which is missing is the characteristic eyes

of

> the ashlesha born, which I was a little amazed to find.

>

> Would you have some idea on this though?

>

> I think I should look into the other charts and read up more on

> this.

>

> Thanks,

> Rajesh.

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Umm, err.. the important point that this old man with limited

> > intelligence forgot to add ---

> > Don't waste time worrying about things like these? No matter how

> > pressed for time an astrologer is, charging or not, in a given

case

> > of astrological delineation, his or her contribution or

investment

> > would be far less than that of the nativity who is stuck with

his

> or

> > her chart and has to expend a lifetime going through the

> > astrological clinical trial called Human experience. What I am

> > saying/recommending is look at all charts, right and wrong,

without

> > a sense of having wasted time, because a lot of useful

information

> > and sometimes knowledge emerges from even studying charts for

wrong

> > times etc. Don't be miserly in the efforts you put into

astrology

> > when you are learning or beginning to learn astrology. There

will

> > come a time when you can be more focussed and discriminatory as

to

> > how many or which charts you will look at. That time is not NOW,

> > keep telling yourself, regardless of what others tell you!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Me too!

> > > I have written earlier somewhere about why I think the first

> > breath

> > > to be the important thing, as well.

> > >

> > > I think Varahamihira or one of the classics indicates that in

> > > kaliyuga bhumipatanam (delivery of the full body and being

caught

> > in

> > > the hands or tray by the midwifery team) was the moment to be

> > taken

> > > to represent birth. This is usually associated with the first

cry

> > or

> > > first breath (not always a cry, mind you!). This is the moment

we

> > > take.

> > >

> > > In most births (normal ones anyway and I have been privileged

to

> > > witness a few directly by being present when those happened,

so

> > > speak from first hand experience), the events happen rather

> > quickly,

> > > delivery of the body, first cry/breath [the first sign of

life]

> > that

> > > it is a good epoch to shoot for. In some cases, the first cry

> > > happens a couple of minutes after the full body is delivered,

but

> > > there is often a sign, a sound emitted by the neonate or

movement

> > > which then can serve as the moment of birth. In the case of

MOST

> > > infants, all this becomes academic because of the excitement

and

> > > hustle bustle in the delivery room, there is no one recording

the

> > > process unless an astrology saavy father is present or perhaps

a

> > > midwifery team member who is in tune with the reality of

> astrology.

> > >

> > > Given the more serious differences in ayanamshas and those

> > inherent

> > > in software etc., in MANY if not M-O-S-T cases, this is all

> > > academic, anyway!

> > >

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "om_tatsat_om"

> > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rajesh,

> > > >

> > > > The undersigned takes Crying time of Baby as birthtime.

> > > > This was taught to him by his grandfather and Guru both.

> > > >

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

[Guest guest]

Hi !

 

Prof. K S Krishnamurti has given a very scientific

definition of time of birth.

 

Until the umbilical cord is cut, the newborn is a part

of the mother’s body. As soon as the cord is cut off,

the newborn becomes an independent entity, trying to

survive on his own. It is this moment of cutting off

the umbilical cord that should be treated as the true

time of birth of the child.

 

Good luck.

 

Hasmukhrai J Mehta.

 

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> Me too!

> I have written earlier somewhere about why I think

> the first breath

> to be the important thing, as well.

>

> I think Varahamihira or one of the classics

> indicates that in

> kaliyuga bhumipatanam (delivery of the full body and

> being caught in

> the hands or tray by the midwifery team) was the

> moment to be taken

> to represent birth. This is usually associated with

> the first cry or

> first breath (not always a cry, mind you!). This is

> the moment we

> take.

>

> In most births (normal ones anyway and I have been

> privileged to

> witness a few directly by being present when those

> happened, so

> speak from first hand experience), the events happen

> rather quickly,

> delivery of the body, first cry/breath [the first

> sign of life] that

> it is a good epoch to shoot for. In some cases, the

> first cry

> happens a couple of minutes after the full body is

> delivered, but

> there is often a sign, a sound emitted by the

> neonate or movement

> which then can serve as the moment of birth. In the

> case of MOST

> infants, all this becomes academic because of the

> excitement and

> hustle bustle in the delivery room, there is no one

> recording the

> process unless an astrology saavy father is present

> or perhaps a

> midwifery team member who is in tune with the

> reality of astrology.

>

> Given the more serious differences in ayanamshas and

> those inherent

> in software etc., in MANY if not M-O-S-T cases, this

> is all

> academic, anyway!

>

>

> RR

>

> ,

> "om_tatsat_om"

> <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rajesh,

> >

> > The undersigned takes Crying time of Baby as

> birthtime.

> > This was taught to him by his grandfather and Guru

> both.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Not sure if you realize this or not but over the last many decades

the time of cutting off of umbilical cord has varied, more or less

at the whim/growth of medical knowledge. Fifty some years ago,

doctors used to milk the umbilical cord after it stopped pulsating.

The aim was to transfer as much of the blood from the cord into the

infant and to avoid anaemia. It so happened that some astute

physician noted that this lead to increased tendency for mild

jaundice (to which neonatal brain is more sensitive -- I am not

talking severe effect here!) because milking caused mechanical

damage to the blood cells. So, the practice reverted to cutting the

cord just when the pulsations ceased. Then there are many cases

where for reasons of fetal distress or maternal reasons, the cord is

clamped and cut sooner rather than later -- perhaps causing a

variability of minutes in the noted birthtime (your scientific

moment of cutting the umbilical cord, as per Krishnamurthi)!

 

There are at least four medical doctors (self-identified) on this

list, maybe more. Please state if what I am saying is true or not

and if you are not sure, please sift through the literature and see

if it is so.

 

Let us not use the term 'science' and "scientific" too loosely!

Science has paid its dues and doled its servings of hemlock for

centuries. Let us give those departed souls and brave warriors some

respect by not diluting their sacrifices and using their name and

what they stood for, lightly or just to gild our lilies!

 

 

RR

 

, Hasmukhrai Mehta

<astroclinik> wrote:

> Hi !

>

> Prof. K S Krishnamurti has given a very scientific

> definition of time of birth.

>

> Until the umbilical cord is cut, the newborn is a part

> of the mother's body. As soon as the cord is cut off,

> the newborn becomes an independent entity, trying to

> survive on his own. It is this moment of cutting off

> the umbilical cord that should be treated as the true

> time of birth of the child.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Hasmukhrai J Mehta.

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Me too!

> > I have written earlier somewhere about why I think

> > the first breath

> > to be the important thing, as well.

> >

> > I think Varahamihira or one of the classics

> > indicates that in

> > kaliyuga bhumipatanam (delivery of the full body and

> > being caught in

> > the hands or tray by the midwifery team) was the

> > moment to be taken

> > to represent birth. This is usually associated with

> > the first cry or

> > first breath (not always a cry, mind you!). This is

> > the moment we

> > take.

> >

> > In most births (normal ones anyway and I have been

> > privileged to

> > witness a few directly by being present when those

> > happened, so

> > speak from first hand experience), the events happen

> > rather quickly,

> > delivery of the body, first cry/breath [the first

> > sign of life] that

> > it is a good epoch to shoot for. In some cases, the

> > first cry

> > happens a couple of minutes after the full body is

> > delivered, but

> > there is often a sign, a sound emitted by the

> > neonate or movement

> > which then can serve as the moment of birth. In the

> > case of MOST

> > infants, all this becomes academic because of the

> > excitement and

> > hustle bustle in the delivery room, there is no one

> > recording the

> > process unless an astrology saavy father is present

> > or perhaps a

> > midwifery team member who is in tune with the

> > reality of astrology.

> >

> > Given the more serious differences in ayanamshas and

> > those inherent

> > in software etc., in MANY if not M-O-S-T cases, this

> > is all

> > academic, anyway!

> >

> >

> > RR

> >

> > ,

> > "om_tatsat_om"

> > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rajesh,

> > >

> > > The undersigned takes Crying time of Baby as

> > birthtime.

> > > This was taught to him by his grandfather and Guru

> > both.

> > >

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> >

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