Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 To all Wizards out there : i have few basic questions, that i am really really curious to know on 1. i've heard from a prominent astrolger show on TV, that a person's destiny is only limited to 9 planets & 12 houses. is it right ? if yes, does this not undermine human efforts & struggle for betterment ? 2. if Planet placements or Star/Raasi does determine a person's fate to a large extent, then cant this science be used to plan carefully & produce super-babies ? 3. Next, why are there so many mantras, yantras & gemstones & what have you to counter bad effects? Cant it be much simpler ? like genuine faith, sincerity & devotion to the Lord? Wont these tools ( mantras et al) be used by say individuals who perform bad deeds to redeem themselves. 4. what is the ultimate objective of astrology? thats it, sorry if my questions are silly, but please do answer them. i will read up some material which one other kind member sent me. Till then, have a great day. rgds Manju Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Hi Manjunath, I would like to answer this question. I do understand the essential for planning. But unfortunately fate and planning do not go in line with each other. I would like to narrate a small incident which happened. I am sure you remember the entry to the new millenium the Y2K or the year 2000. There was a major craze for a lot of people who wanted to have their babies on January 1st 2000. I also remember while I was in bangalore some people exactly 9 months and 9 days in advance took off and went away to nearby resorts along with their spouses to facilitate planning for the child birth. They wanted to conceive on a particular day so that the child will be born on January 1st. I am aware of atleast 5 couples who left for ooty. But what actually happened was that none of them had a child on 1st January 2000. Of the 5, one child was born premature, 1 never became pregnant at all because of the rythmic cycle not falling on that day and off the other 3 one child was born on 31st December 1999, one child was born on 3rd January 2000 and one was born on 9th January 2000. And these couples had planned everything in advance in such meticulous manner. You may ask that the 2 children who were born in January could have been born on January 1st 2000 if induced by caesaerean. But both the mothers ran into some complications and the doctors advised agains caesaerean on 1st January despite they being admitted in the hospital. Now, the amount of planning that went into the entire process was so meticulous that these 5 couples who were friends had also give an interview in one of the local editions of a popular news daily. But the news that came on January 2nd in the same paper was that 2 of the maids working in 2 of the participants houses had their babies on 1st Jan 2000. The maids were illiterates and I am sure no one advised them of the planning they need to do for a baby on 1st jan 2000. This only goes to prove that there is a super natural power which decides on what we deserve is the best. There is a lot that we want to do and we plan for it. But many of the times things do not happen the way we desire. And astrology gives insight into the purpose that God almighty has defined for us in this life time. I would say it gives clarity to the purpose of life. This is my humble opinion to your thoughts. Regards, John --- "Manjunath, T (MED)" <T.Manjunath wrote: > > To all Wizards out there : > > i have few basic questions, that i am really really > curious to know on > > 1. i've heard from a prominent astrolger show on > TV, that a person's destiny is > only limited to 9 planets & 12 houses. is it right ? > if yes, does this not undermine human efforts & > struggle for betterment ? > > 2. if Planet placements or Star/Raasi does > determine a person's fate to a large extent, then > cant this science be used to plan carefully & > produce super-babies ? > > 3. Next, why are there so many mantras, yantras & > gemstones & what have you > to counter bad effects? Cant it be much simpler ? > like genuine faith, sincerity & devotion > to the Lord? Wont these tools ( mantras et al) be > used by say individuals who perform bad deeds > to redeem themselves. > > 4. what is the ultimate objective of astrology? > > thats it, sorry if my questions are silly, but > please do answer them. > i will read up some material which one other kind > member sent me. > > Till then, have a great day. > > rgds > Manju > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 DISCLAIMER: Just because I am responding to this message is not sufficient evidence or reason for claims or confusions in anyone's mind of me being a wizard! 1. Well, 9 planets times 12 rashis times 16 vargas (more if you included the jaimini vargas etc) times nakshatras etc .. not too shabby a set of variables if you ask me. yes personal effort is important but it is not completely independent in all individuals at different stages of soul growth. The third house deals with courage, self-efforts and so does its harmonic equivalent, dreshkana chart. Mind you, it is not a room but more like a door and in some, the door does lead to a room, in others to a huge hall and in a few to the great outdoors! 2. Have you not read the parable about Parashra muni and matsyagandha? 3. Time for a personal plug! Obviously you have not read what I have written on this topic. I think there is a file in here and at www.boloji.com 4. To examine and see the seemingly disjointed correlation between patterns of human experience (life) and those made by the planets and rashis. In statistics, one is cautioned about correlations not to be confused with causality. More so in astrology where correlation between moon kendra jupiter and fame and success often gets confused and we say things like gajkeshari caused him to become famous or jupiter or moon did. Actually the two phenomena are parallel and seeing that kind of parallel and apparently unconnected phenomena in the universe indicate that there is intelligence behind the creation, and not some random chaos. Astrology can thus assure us about there being a 'future' in a long term way and so something to look forward to. At some stage of development there also remains the possibility of being able to plan our life to some extent and to make more efficient use of the time we spend in each incarnation on this earth. Mind you, not all of these happen to everyone in each lifetime, but it is never too late to begin planning our soul's journey. Rohiniranjan , "Manjunath, T \(MED\)" <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > To all Wizards out there : > > i have few basic questions, that i am really really curious to know on > > 1. i've heard from a prominent astrolger show on TV, that a person's destiny is > only limited to 9 planets & 12 houses. is it right ? > if yes, does this not undermine human efforts & struggle for betterment ? > > 2. if Planet placements or Star/Raasi does determine a person's fate to a large extent, then > cant this science be used to plan carefully & produce super- babies ? > > 3. Next, why are there so many mantras, yantras & gemstones & what have you > to counter bad effects? Cant it be much simpler ? like genuine faith, sincerity & devotion > to the Lord? Wont these tools ( mantras et al) be used by say individuals who perform bad deeds > to redeem themselves. > > 4. what is the ultimate objective of astrology? > > thats it, sorry if my questions are silly, but please do answer them. > i will read up some material which one other kind member sent me. > > Till then, have a great day. > > rgds > Manju Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Hello Manju, I think most of us at some point or the other have the same musings about what it all means !! .. it;s when we start our journey to find the answers and we do come up with our own versions of answers that keep growing along with us !! >From where i stand this is how I see things: People can be decided by 9 planets and 12 rasis etc if it were to be that fate was the only force that propells us forward in life ... I believe, apart from fate there is free will (like all the hulla raised recently) and more importantly there is god (or divine intelligence) above who act on a people and events at any given point of time .. there are many other factors as well the environment we grow up in etc ... (maybe even the mantras we learn ) As I see it .. planets only convey to you what experiences you have to undergo in your journey towards your destiny ... they most of the times do not decide the outcomes of the events unless the inclinations are very strong ... Every birth to me is a new slot given to us to start afresh (that is if you believe in soul and rebirth) .. there are tendencies that we to based on our own past actions ... these tendencies are shown in our horscopes with 9 expressions of personality trains as planets and 12 houses as platforms personal/interpersonal relations (loosely) ... remedies are our means of reducing the ill effects we might have to undergo simply because with every new birth we have cut from our previous lives .... god indeed is benevolent (whoever whatever it is) Plantes also indicate your destiny ... and palnets also indicate limitations you have to overcome wiht will and determination to reach taht destiny ... how much of will we excersise decides our fate (as against our destiny) .. Can we plan babies that dont fall in our scheme of things as we march towards our destiny?? u decide!! To me the ultimate objective of astrology is to get a glmipse into the mind of the creator and realise what his will is in creating the world as he has done it .... and move forward without letting our personal experiences narrow our vision by realising the grand scheme of things ... to me astrology is also a means of realising our potentials and limitations and maximising what we desire in our own lives ! To me the ultimate goal of human life is to go reverse engineer "Big bang" and go back to the primeval state of nothingness ... However ultimately, you have to find your own answers in your own way, we can at most inspire you on what sounds like a good path to tread !! Good luck ! Surya. --- John Aldrich <johnaldrichinc wrote: > Hi Manjunath, > > I would like to answer this question. I do > understand > the essential for planning. But unfortunately fate > and > planning do not go in line with each other. I would > like to narrate a small incident which happened. I > am > sure you remember the entry to the new millenium the > Y2K or the year 2000. There was a major craze for a > lot of people who wanted to have their babies on > January 1st 2000. I also remember while I was in > bangalore some people exactly 9 months and 9 days in > advance took off and went away to nearby resorts > along > with their spouses to facilitate planning for the > child birth. They wanted to conceive on a particular > day so that the child will be born on January 1st. I > am aware of atleast 5 couples who left for ooty. But > what actually happened was that none of them had a > child on 1st January 2000. Of the 5, one child was > born premature, 1 never became pregnant at all > because > of the rythmic cycle not falling on that day and off > the other 3 one child was born on 31st December > 1999, > one child was born on 3rd January 2000 and one was > born on 9th January 2000. And these couples had > planned everything in advance in such meticulous > manner. You may ask that the 2 children who were > born > in January could have been born on January 1st 2000 > if > induced by caesaerean. But both the mothers ran into > some complications and the doctors advised agains > caesaerean on 1st January despite they being > admitted > in the hospital. > > Now, the amount of planning that went into the > entire > process was so meticulous that these 5 couples who > were friends had also give an interview in one of > the > local editions of a popular news daily. > > But the news that came on January 2nd in the same > paper was that 2 of the maids working in 2 of the > participants houses had their babies on 1st Jan > 2000. > The maids were illiterates and I am sure no one > advised them of the planning they need to do for a > baby on 1st jan 2000. > > This only goes to prove that there is a super > natural > power which decides on what we deserve is the best. > There is a lot that we want to do and we plan for > it. > But many of the times things do not happen the way > we > desire. And astrology gives insight into the purpose > that God almighty has defined for us in this life > time. I would say it gives clarity to the purpose of > life. > > This is my humble opinion to your thoughts. > > Regards, > > John > > --- "Manjunath, T (MED)" <T.Manjunath > wrote: > > > > To all Wizards out there : > > > > i have few basic questions, that i am really > really > > curious to know on > > > > 1. i've heard from a prominent astrolger show on > > TV, that a person's destiny is > > only limited to 9 planets & 12 houses. is it right > ? > > if yes, does this not undermine human efforts & > > struggle for betterment ? > > > > 2. if Planet placements or Star/Raasi does > > determine a person's fate to a large extent, then > > cant this science be used to plan carefully & > > produce super-babies ? > > > > 3. Next, why are there so many mantras, yantras & > > gemstones & what have you > > to counter bad effects? Cant it be much simpler ? > > like genuine faith, sincerity & devotion > > to the Lord? Wont these tools ( mantras et al) be > > used by say individuals who perform bad deeds > > to redeem themselves. > > > > 4. what is the ultimate objective of astrology? > > > > thats it, sorry if my questions are silly, but > > please do answer them. > > i will read up some material which one other kind > > member sent me. > > > > Till then, have a great day. > > > > rgds > > Manju > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile./maildemo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Dear Friends, further to my questions (still expect more friends in the forum to respond.) i read with great relish & some amusement John's mail. hey, so its definitely worth a try for creating super kids... how does one do the meticulous planning ?? Rohini-ji's article is now carefully saved in my harddisk for many more re-reads guess she occupies the premium super rarified atmosphere, the language is elegant & crisp. Surya again has given very interesting points to reflect on. Now i want to know if there any sure-fire actions, mantras & general guidelines, anybody ir-respective of gender can follow to achieve effective personal traits like discipline, time management, spiritual leanings etc. for eg. the Gayatri mantra i believe in, certainly helped me in times of difficulty. imagine, i could recite, remember it without any effort in just under half an hour the first time i saw the mantra. of-course, i bought a audio-tape to refine my pronounciation. OTHER MEMBERS : PLEASE RESPOND TO MY ORIGINAL QUERIES.... CHEERS & GOD BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. MANJU surya vishnubhotla [surya_prakashv] Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:29 PM Re: Perplexing Questions Hello Manju, I think most of us at some point or the other have the same musings about what it all means !! .. it;s when we start our journey to find the answers and we do come up with our own versions of answers that keep growing along with us !! >From where i stand this is how I see things: People can be decided by 9 planets and 12 rasis etc if it were to be that fate was the only force that propells us forward in life ... I believe, apart from fate there is free will (like all the hulla raised recently) and more importantly there is god (or divine intelligence) above who act on a people and events at any given point of time .. there are many other factors as well the environment we grow up in etc ... (maybe even the mantras we learn ) As I see it .. planets only convey to you what experiences you have to undergo in your journey towards your destiny ... they most of the times do not decide the outcomes of the events unless the inclinations are very strong ... Every birth to me is a new slot given to us to start afresh (that is if you believe in soul and rebirth) .. there are tendencies that we to based on our own past actions ... these tendencies are shown in our horscopes with 9 expressions of personality trains as planets and 12 houses as platforms personal/interpersonal relations (loosely) ... remedies are our means of reducing the ill effects we might have to undergo simply because with every new birth we have cut from our previous lives .... god indeed is benevolent (whoever whatever it is) Plantes also indicate your destiny ... and palnets also indicate limitations you have to overcome wiht will and determination to reach taht destiny ... how much of will we excersise decides our fate (as against our destiny) .. Can we plan babies that dont fall in our scheme of things as we march towards our destiny?? u decide!! To me the ultimate objective of astrology is to get a glmipse into the mind of the creator and realise what his will is in creating the world as he has done it .... and move forward without letting our personal experiences narrow our vision by realising the grand scheme of things ... to me astrology is also a means of realising our potentials and limitations and maximising what we desire in our own lives ! To me the ultimate goal of human life is to go reverse engineer "Big bang" and go back to the primeval state of nothingness ... However ultimately, you have to find your own answers in your own way, we can at most inspire you on what sounds like a good path to tread !! Good luck ! Surya. --- John Aldrich <johnaldrichinc wrote: > Hi Manjunath, > > I would like to answer this question. I do > understand > the essential for planning. But unfortunately fate > and > planning do not go in line with each other. I would > like to narrate a small incident which happened. I > am > sure you remember the entry to the new millenium the > Y2K or the year 2000. There was a major craze for a > lot of people who wanted to have their babies on > January 1st 2000. I also remember while I was in > bangalore some people exactly 9 months and 9 days in > advance took off and went away to nearby resorts > along > with their spouses to facilitate planning for the > child birth. They wanted to conceive on a particular > day so that the child will be born on January 1st. I > am aware of atleast 5 couples who left for ooty. But > what actually happened was that none of them had a > child on 1st January 2000. Of the 5, one child was > born premature, 1 never became pregnant at all > because > of the rythmic cycle not falling on that day and off > the other 3 one child was born on 31st December > 1999, > one child was born on 3rd January 2000 and one was > born on 9th January 2000. And these couples had > planned everything in advance in such meticulous > manner. You may ask that the 2 children who were > born > in January could have been born on January 1st 2000 > if > induced by caesaerean. But both the mothers ran into > some complications and the doctors advised agains > caesaerean on 1st January despite they being > admitted > in the hospital. > > Now, the amount of planning that went into the > entire > process was so meticulous that these 5 couples who > were friends had also give an interview in one of > the > local editions of a popular news daily. > > But the news that came on January 2nd in the same > paper was that 2 of the maids working in 2 of the > participants houses had their babies on 1st Jan > 2000. > The maids were illiterates and I am sure no one > advised them of the planning they need to do for a > baby on 1st jan 2000. > > This only goes to prove that there is a super > natural > power which decides on what we deserve is the best. > There is a lot that we want to do and we plan for > it. > But many of the times things do not happen the way > we > desire. And astrology gives insight into the purpose > that God almighty has defined for us in this life > time. I would say it gives clarity to the purpose of > life. > > This is my humble opinion to your thoughts. > > Regards, > > John > > --- "Manjunath, T (MED)" <T.Manjunath > wrote: > > > > To all Wizards out there : > > > > i have few basic questions, that i am really > really > > curious to know on > > > > 1. i've heard from a prominent astrolger show on > > TV, that a person's destiny is > > only limited to 9 planets & 12 houses. is it right > ? > > if yes, does this not undermine human efforts & > > struggle for betterment ? > > > > 2. if Planet placements or Star/Raasi does > > determine a person's fate to a large extent, then > > cant this science be used to plan carefully & > > produce super-babies ? > > > > 3. Next, why are there so many mantras, yantras & > > gemstones & what have you > > to counter bad effects? Cant it be much simpler ? > > like genuine faith, sincerity & devotion > > to the Lord? Wont these tools ( mantras et al) be > > used by say individuals who perform bad deeds > > to redeem themselves. > > > > 4. what is the ultimate objective of astrology? > > > > thats it, sorry if my questions are silly, but > > please do answer them. > > i will read up some material which one other kind > > member sent me. > > > > Till then, have a great day. > > > > rgds > > Manju > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile./maildemo ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Hello Manjunath, The perplexity of any question can jugded by the fact that it not only creates an atomosphere of curiousity but also leads us to a journey of self discovery. Before i answer any of the questions, let me ask something if you were given an option to go on four different paths, would going on a particular path is important or reaching destination is important. Remember one thing all the paths leads us to same destination. And it is how we percieve our steps through the journey- be it a tough steep hill or round curve- the journey still continues. 1. Firstly can we undermine human efforts and struggle for betterment? The human efforts when made in the right direction definitely leads us to our betterment. But what if even our so called efforts for betterment our struggle still continues. The same principle applies for a person`s destiny. Astrology is not confined to 9 planets & 12 houses, it is much more than what we see it as. The real essence of any subject can be felt through experience. As now you see it as 9 planets & 12 houses, but tomorrow you might see it as a subject much more deeper than you thought. And one form to go to depth of the ocean is to dive in the sea of knowledge. True once a baby is born you see it as a magnificence creation of God, but as the time progresses you are startled by all the revelations of even the minutest activity that the baby does. Similarly to confine ourselves to a room and to smell the odour of the rose over the hill will lead us to a world of make belief. Where we havent explored the beauty but still we are commenting on its elegance. Exploration is important, not commenting on it. 2. There are certain texts which go on length to produce super-babies or in simple words good individuals(i dont know what you refer by super-babies, for me a definition can be different from yours) and Rohini ji have given some references also. Here i would like to add a comment there are sciences where you can literally have a baby girl or a baby boy(whatever your preference is, i consider both to be same) by following them. They are basically Swar Shastra or Gyan. But what i feel that the ultimate creator of all knows everything and controls it effectively. So until you have got the God`s grace even you try to practice them there wont be much benefit. 3. Lets us confine ourselves to Matras and Yantras. Mantras and Yantras are methods of praising God and to show our effection in a subtle but yet powerful way. Now this does not mean that you cant show the effection in other simple ways. These again relate to deeper secrets which one can only explore by going through the vedas and other related texts. The essence of praying to God through Mantra `s where experienced and understood by great rishi s. They knew what is the bast way to praise the ultimate power who has given us life. That is what you see now as mantras and yantras. And in simple words would it possible without God`s grace? 4. The ultimate objective of astrology in simple terms is betterment of an individual, a society and the belief that even if there is pain there also exists a healing power. In complex terms it is to attain moksha as all the goals lead us to the path of Atma joining with the Parmaatma. Be it whether it is for improvement of ourselves or be it our fall. The hadcuffs even if are made of Gold still remains handcuffs, so it doesnt matter whether you arr wearing iron ones or gold ones. Gaurav , "Manjunath, T \(MED\)" <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > Dear Friends, further to my questions (still expect more friends in the forum to respond.) > > i read with great relish & some amusement John's mail. hey, so its definitely worth a try > for creating super kids... how does one do the meticulous planning ?? > > Rohini-ji's article is now carefully saved in my harddisk for many more re-reads > guess she occupies the premium super rarified atmosphere, the language is elegant > & crisp. Surya again has given very interesting points to reflect on. > > Now i want to know if there any sure-fire actions, mantras & general guidelines, > anybody ir-respective of gender can follow to achieve effective personal traits > like discipline, time management, spiritual leanings etc. > > for eg. the Gayatri mantra i believe in, certainly helped me in times of difficulty. > imagine, i could recite, remember it without any effort in just under half an hour > the first time i saw the mantra. of-course, i bought a audio-tape to refine > my pronounciation. > > > OTHER MEMBERS : PLEASE RESPOND TO MY ORIGINAL QUERIES.... > > CHEERS & GOD BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. > > MANJU > > > > surya vishnubhotla [surya_prakashv] > Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:29 PM > > Re: Perplexing Questions > > > Hello Manju, > > I think most of us at some point or the other have the > same musings about what it all means !! .. it;s when > we start our journey to find the answers and we do > come up with our own versions of answers that keep > growing along with us !! > > From where i stand this is how I see things: > People can be decided by 9 planets and 12 rasis etc if > it were to be that fate was the only force that > propells us forward in life ... > I believe, apart from fate there is free will (like > all the hulla raised recently) and more importantly > there is god (or divine intelligence) above who act on > a people and events at any given point of time .. > there are many other factors as well the environment > we grow up in etc ... (maybe even the mantras we learn > ) > > As I see it .. planets only convey to you what > experiences you have to undergo in your journey > towards your destiny ... they most of the times do not > decide the outcomes of the events unless the > inclinations are very strong ... > > Every birth to me is a new slot given to us to start > afresh (that is if you believe in soul and rebirth) .. > there are tendencies that we to based on our > own past actions ... these tendencies are shown in our > horscopes with 9 expressions of personality trains as > planets and 12 houses as platforms > personal/interpersonal relations (loosely) ... > remedies are our means of reducing the ill effects we > might have to undergo simply because with every new > birth we have cut from our previous lives .... god > indeed is benevolent (whoever whatever it is) > > Plantes also indicate your destiny ... and palnets > also indicate limitations you have to overcome wiht > will and determination to reach taht destiny ... how > much of will we excersise decides our fate (as against > our destiny) .. > > Can we plan babies that dont fall in our scheme of > things as we march towards our destiny?? u decide!! > > To me the ultimate objective of astrology is to get a > glmipse into the mind of the creator and realise what > his will is in creating the world as he has done it > ... and move forward without letting our personal > experiences narrow our vision by realising the grand > scheme of things ... to me astrology is also a means > of realising our potentials and limitations and > maximising what we desire in our own lives ! > > To me the ultimate goal of human life is to go reverse > engineer "Big bang" and go back to the primeval state > of nothingness ... > > However ultimately, you have to find your own answers > in your own way, we can at most inspire you on what > sounds like a good path to tread !! > > Good luck ! > > Surya. > > --- John Aldrich <johnaldrichinc> wrote: > > Hi Manjunath, > > > > I would like to answer this question. I do > > understand > > the essential for planning. But unfortunately fate > > and > > planning do not go in line with each other. I would > > like to narrate a small incident which happened. I > > am > > sure you remember the entry to the new millenium the > > Y2K or the year 2000. There was a major craze for a > > lot of people who wanted to have their babies on > > January 1st 2000. I also remember while I was in > > bangalore some people exactly 9 months and 9 days in > > advance took off and went away to nearby resorts > > along > > with their spouses to facilitate planning for the > > child birth. They wanted to conceive on a particular > > day so that the child will be born on January 1st. I > > am aware of atleast 5 couples who left for ooty. But > > what actually happened was that none of them had a > > child on 1st January 2000. Of the 5, one child was > > born premature, 1 never became pregnant at all > > because > > of the rythmic cycle not falling on that day and off > > the other 3 one child was born on 31st December > > 1999, > > one child was born on 3rd January 2000 and one was > > born on 9th January 2000. And these couples had > > planned everything in advance in such meticulous > > manner. You may ask that the 2 children who were > > born > > in January could have been born on January 1st 2000 > > if > > induced by caesaerean. But both the mothers ran into > > some complications and the doctors advised agains > > caesaerean on 1st January despite they being > > admitted > > in the hospital. > > > > Now, the amount of planning that went into the > > entire > > process was so meticulous that these 5 couples who > > were friends had also give an interview in one of > > the > > local editions of a popular news daily. > > > > But the news that came on January 2nd in the same > > paper was that 2 of the maids working in 2 of the > > participants houses had their babies on 1st Jan > > 2000. > > The maids were illiterates and I am sure no one > > advised them of the planning they need to do for a > > baby on 1st jan 2000. > > > > This only goes to prove that there is a super > > natural > > power which decides on what we deserve is the best. > > There is a lot that we want to do and we plan for > > it. > > But many of the times things do not happen the way > > we > > desire. And astrology gives insight into the purpose > > that God almighty has defined for us in this life > > time. I would say it gives clarity to the purpose of > > life. > > > > This is my humble opinion to your thoughts. > > > > Regards, > > > > John > > > > --- "Manjunath, T (MED)" <T.Manjunath@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > To all Wizards out there : > > > > > > i have few basic questions, that i am really > > really > > > curious to know on > > > > > > 1. i've heard from a prominent astrolger show on > > > TV, that a person's destiny is > > > only limited to 9 planets & 12 houses. is it right > > ? > > > if yes, does this not undermine human efforts & > > > struggle for betterment ? > > > > > > 2. if Planet placements or Star/Raasi does > > > determine a person's fate to a large extent, then > > > cant this science be used to plan carefully & > > > produce super-babies ? > > > > > > 3. Next, why are there so many mantras, yantras & > > > gemstones & what have you > > > to counter bad effects? Cant it be much simpler ? > > > like genuine faith, sincerity & devotion > > > to the Lord? Wont these tools ( mantras et al) be > > > used by say individuals who perform bad deeds > > > to redeem themselves. > > > > > > 4. what is the ultimate objective of astrology? > > > > > > thats it, sorry if my questions are silly, but > > > please do answer them. > > > i will read up some material which one other kind > > > member sent me. > > > > > > Till then, have a great day. > > > > > > rgds > > > Manju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile./maildemo > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Hi Gaurav ji, good evening... & a big thank you for your inputs. Esp. Point no. 3. ie. the efficacy of Mantras & Yantras apart fm the Gayatri, i only know the Rama mantra, i mean the following one Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Oh yes, recently we bought a pyramid yantra which has yantra's figures drawn on each face ( not sure which ones) and a secret mool mantra which the pandit gave me on a tape. Once i get a handle on it, i will share it with the members so that all may benefit. hope no issues this sunday i plan to master it (no time with the quarter closure) CAN WE ALSO THINK OF PRAYING FOR ONE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL SPECIFICALLY ON HIS/HER PROBLEM IN OUR DAILY PRAYERS... PLS. GIVE IT THOUGHT & REFINE MY QUESTION TOO. MAYBE TAVIR JI SHOULD GUIDE, I KNOW THE QUIZZES GENERATE INTEREST FOR EXPERIENCED MEMBERS. HOW DO PPL. LIKE ME CONTRIBUTE ? Please advice me on few other good mantras, i would like definitely want to chant them. will it require my horoscope details or can one chant any mantra as they will? ( dob: 25.07.1973.... time of birth : 10:05 PM.... place of birth : bangalore) sanjeev-ji sent me a detailed mail which has thrilled me no end.. thanks again sanjeevji Ohhh.. one other thing, i think i am quite lazy, a trait which infuriates me so much, that the person in the mirror gets a earful once in a while, i cant help but feeling my talents, energies are still dormant, i really want to bring them out, i wonder how to unleash them i finish jobs/tasks in an intense burst of energy/activity & then go back to sleep Hah... super babies or good babies ... Yes, most interested... why not ?? .. i am sure others too will be curios. Pls. send in more details Gaurav Sharma [gauravkom] Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:07 PM Re: Perplexing Questions Hello Manjunath, The perplexity of any question can jugded by the fact that it not only creates an atomosphere of curiousity but also leads us to a journey of self discovery. Before i answer any of the questions, let me ask something if you were given an option to go on four different paths, would going on a particular path is important or reaching destination is important. Remember one thing all the paths leads us to same destination. And it is how we percieve our steps through the journey- be it a tough steep hill or round curve- the journey still continues. 1. Firstly can we undermine human efforts and struggle for betterment? The human efforts when made in the right direction definitely leads us to our betterment. But what if even our so called efforts for betterment our struggle still continues. The same principle applies for a person`s destiny. Astrology is not confined to 9 planets & 12 houses, it is much more than what we see it as. The real essence of any subject can be felt through experience. As now you see it as 9 planets & 12 houses, but tomorrow you might see it as a subject much more deeper than you thought. And one form to go to depth of the ocean is to dive in the sea of knowledge. True once a baby is born you see it as a magnificence creation of God, but as the time progresses you are startled by all the revelations of even the minutest activity that the baby does. Similarly to confine ourselves to a room and to smell the odour of the rose over the hill will lead us to a world of make belief. Where we havent explored the beauty but still we are commenting on its elegance. Exploration is important, not commenting on it. 2. There are certain texts which go on length to produce super-babies or in simple words good individuals(i dont know what you refer by super-babies, for me a definition can be different from yours) and Rohini ji have given some references also. Here i would like to add a comment there are sciences where you can literally have a baby girl or a baby boy(whatever your preference is, i consider both to be same) by following them. They are basically Swar Shastra or Gyan. But what i feel that the ultimate creator of all knows everything and controls it effectively. So until you have got the God`s grace even you try to practice them there wont be much benefit. 3. Lets us confine ourselves to Matras and Yantras. Mantras and Yantras are methods of praising God and to show our effection in a subtle but yet powerful way. Now this does not mean that you cant show the effection in other simple ways. These again relate to deeper secrets which one can only explore by going through the vedas and other related texts. The essence of praying to God through Mantra `s where experienced and understood by great rishi s. They knew what is the bast way to praise the ultimate power who has given us life. That is what you see now as mantras and yantras. And in simple words would it possible without God`s grace? 4. The ultimate objective of astrology in simple terms is betterment of an individual, a society and the belief that even if there is pain there also exists a healing power. In complex terms it is to attain moksha as all the goals lead us to the path of Atma joining with the Parmaatma. Be it whether it is for improvement of ourselves or be it our fall. The hadcuffs even if are made of Gold still remains handcuffs, so it doesnt matter whether you arr wearing iron ones or gold ones. Gaurav , "Manjunath, T \(MED\)" <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > Dear Friends, further to my questions (still expect more friends in the forum to respond.) > > i read with great relish & some amusement John's mail. hey, so its definitely worth a try > for creating super kids... how does one do the meticulous planning ?? > > Rohini-ji's article is now carefully saved in my harddisk for many more re-reads > guess she occupies the premium super rarified atmosphere, the language is elegant > & crisp. Surya again has given very interesting points to reflect on. > > Now i want to know if there any sure-fire actions, mantras & general guidelines, > anybody ir-respective of gender can follow to achieve effective personal traits > like discipline, time management, spiritual leanings etc. > > for eg. the Gayatri mantra i believe in, certainly helped me in times of difficulty. > imagine, i could recite, remember it without any effort in just under half an hour > the first time i saw the mantra. of-course, i bought a audio-tape to refine > my pronounciation. > > > OTHER MEMBERS : PLEASE RESPOND TO MY ORIGINAL QUERIES.... > > CHEERS & GOD BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. > > MANJU > > > > surya vishnubhotla [surya_prakashv] > Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:29 PM > > Re: Perplexing Questions > > > Hello Manju, > > I think most of us at some point or the other have the > same musings about what it all means !! .. it;s when > we start our journey to find the answers and we do > come up with our own versions of answers that keep > growing along with us !! > > From where i stand this is how I see things: > People can be decided by 9 planets and 12 rasis etc if > it were to be that fate was the only force that > propells us forward in life ... > I believe, apart from fate there is free will (like > all the hulla raised recently) and more importantly > there is god (or divine intelligence) above who act on > a people and events at any given point of time .. > there are many other factors as well the environment > we grow up in etc ... (maybe even the mantras we learn > ) > > As I see it .. planets only convey to you what > experiences you have to undergo in your journey > towards your destiny ... they most of the times do not > decide the outcomes of the events unless the > inclinations are very strong ... > > Every birth to me is a new slot given to us to start > afresh (that is if you believe in soul and rebirth) .. > there are tendencies that we to based on our > own past actions ... these tendencies are shown in our > horscopes with 9 expressions of personality trains as > planets and 12 houses as platforms > personal/interpersonal relations (loosely) ... > remedies are our means of reducing the ill effects we > might have to undergo simply because with every new > birth we have cut from our previous lives .... god > indeed is benevolent (whoever whatever it is) > > Plantes also indicate your destiny ... and palnets > also indicate limitations you have to overcome wiht > will and determination to reach taht destiny ... how > much of will we excersise decides our fate (as against > our destiny) .. > > Can we plan babies that dont fall in our scheme of > things as we march towards our destiny?? u decide!! > > To me the ultimate objective of astrology is to get a > glmipse into the mind of the creator and realise what > his will is in creating the world as he has done it > ... and move forward without letting our personal > experiences narrow our vision by realising the grand > scheme of things ... to me astrology is also a means > of realising our potentials and limitations and > maximising what we desire in our own lives ! > > To me the ultimate goal of human life is to go reverse > engineer "Big bang" and go back to the primeval state > of nothingness ... > > However ultimately, you have to find your own answers > in your own way, we can at most inspire you on what > sounds like a good path to tread !! > > Good luck ! > > Surya. > > --- John Aldrich <johnaldrichinc> wrote: > > Hi Manjunath, > > > > I would like to answer this question. I do > > understand > > the essential for planning. But unfortunately fate > > and > > planning do not go in line with each other. I would > > like to narrate a small incident which happened. I > > am > > sure you remember the entry to the new millenium the > > Y2K or the year 2000. There was a major craze for a > > lot of people who wanted to have their babies on > > January 1st 2000. I also remember while I was in > > bangalore some people exactly 9 months and 9 days in > > advance took off and went away to nearby resorts > > along > > with their spouses to facilitate planning for the > > child birth. They wanted to conceive on a particular > > day so that the child will be born on January 1st. I > > am aware of atleast 5 couples who left for ooty. But > > what actually happened was that none of them had a > > child on 1st January 2000. Of the 5, one child was > > born premature, 1 never became pregnant at all > > because > > of the rythmic cycle not falling on that day and off > > the other 3 one child was born on 31st December > > 1999, > > one child was born on 3rd January 2000 and one was > > born on 9th January 2000. And these couples had > > planned everything in advance in such meticulous > > manner. You may ask that the 2 children who were > > born > > in January could have been born on January 1st 2000 > > if > > induced by caesaerean. But both the mothers ran into > > some complications and the doctors advised agains > > caesaerean on 1st January despite they being > > admitted > > in the hospital. > > > > Now, the amount of planning that went into the > > entire > > process was so meticulous that these 5 couples who > > were friends had also give an interview in one of > > the > > local editions of a popular news daily. > > > > But the news that came on January 2nd in the same > > paper was that 2 of the maids working in 2 of the > > participants houses had their babies on 1st Jan > > 2000. > > The maids were illiterates and I am sure no one > > advised them of the planning they need to do for a > > baby on 1st jan 2000. > > > > This only goes to prove that there is a super > > natural > > power which decides on what we deserve is the best. > > There is a lot that we want to do and we plan for > > it. > > But many of the times things do not happen the way > > we > > desire. And astrology gives insight into the purpose > > that God almighty has defined for us in this life > > time. I would say it gives clarity to the purpose of > > life. > > > > This is my humble opinion to your thoughts. > > > > Regards, > > > > John > > > > --- "Manjunath, T (MED)" <T.Manjunath@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > > To all Wizards out there : > > > > > > i have few basic questions, that i am really > > really > > > curious to know on > > > > > > 1. i've heard from a prominent astrolger show on > > > TV, that a person's destiny is > > > only limited to 9 planets & 12 houses. is it right > > ? > > > if yes, does this not undermine human efforts & > > > struggle for betterment ? > > > > > > 2. if Planet placements or Star/Raasi does > > > determine a person's fate to a large extent, then > > > cant this science be used to plan carefully & > > > produce super-babies ? > > > > > > 3. Next, why are there so many mantras, yantras & > > > gemstones & what have you > > > to counter bad effects? Cant it be much simpler ? > > > like genuine faith, sincerity & devotion > > > to the Lord? Wont these tools ( mantras et al) be > > > used by say individuals who perform bad deeds > > > to redeem themselves. > > > > > > 4. what is the ultimate objective of astrology? > > > > > > thats it, sorry if my questions are silly, but > > > please do answer them. > > > i will read up some material which one other kind > > > member sent me. > > > > > > Till then, have a great day. > > > > > > rgds > > > Manju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile./maildemo > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > Links ~! 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Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Hi Manjunath, I think Sanjeev has already done a detailed prediction for you which are correct, so let us not doubt the predictions of any astrologer of the group. A couple of things for you, Sat-Kt in 4 house gives affliction to heart in short makes your heart weak. Moreover, your venus is in 6 house. Whenever Venus is in 6 house, it is advisable to go for arranged marriage and not to induldge in any extra martial affairs. Also the Jupiter in 11 house is a real blessing for you. You will be an industralist and will employ many people. Expenditure on conveyances cannot be ruled out. I think Sanjeev has already told to chant Rahu mantra`s. For more info you can refer to my message 7236 for rahu remedies. Also you can chant the following Sani Beej mantra 108 times every day. Om praam preem praum sah shanayishraya namah Apart from this reciting the following dasanama stotra of Shani by Dasharatha near a Pepal tree is also a highly recommended one. Konastha pingalobabhruh Krishnoroudraantakoyamah Souri, shanaischaro mandah Pippaladishu sansthitah And as for the super babies are concerned, you can read the texts suggested by Rohini ji earlier. Gaurav , "Manjunath, T \(MED\)" <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > Hi Gaurav ji, good evening... & a big thank you for your inputs. > > Esp. Point no. 3. ie. the efficacy of Mantras & Yantras > apart fm the Gayatri, i only know the Rama mantra, i mean the following one > > Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare > > Oh yes, recently we bought a pyramid yantra which has yantra's figures > drawn on each face ( not sure which ones) and a secret mool mantra > which the pandit gave me on a tape. Once i get a handle on it, i will share it with the members > so that all may benefit. hope no issues > this sunday i plan to master it (no time with the quarter closure) > > CAN WE ALSO THINK OF PRAYING FOR ONE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL SPECIFICALLY ON HIS/HER PROBLEM IN OUR DAILY PRAYERS... > PLS. GIVE IT THOUGHT & REFINE MY QUESTION TOO. MAYBE TAVIR JI SHOULD GUIDE, I KNOW THE QUIZZES GENERATE > INTEREST FOR EXPERIENCED MEMBERS. HOW DO PPL. LIKE ME CONTRIBUTE ? > > Please advice me on few other good mantras, i would like definitely want to chant them. > will it require my horoscope details or can one chant any mantra as they will? > ( dob: 25.07.1973.... time of birth : 10:05 PM.... place of birth : bangalore) > sanjeev-ji sent me a detailed mail which has thrilled me no end.. thanks again sanjeevji > > Ohhh.. one other thing, i think i am quite lazy, a trait which infuriates me so much, > that the person in the mirror gets a earful once in a while, i cant help but feeling my > talents, energies are still dormant, i really want to bring them out, i wonder how to unleash them > i finish jobs/tasks in an intense burst of energy/activity & then go back to sleep > > Hah... super babies or good babies ... Yes, most interested... why not ?? .. i am sure others > too will be curios. Pls. send in more details > > > Gaurav Sharma [gauravkom] > Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:07 PM > > Re: Perplexing Questions > > > Hello Manjunath, > The perplexity of any question can jugded by the fact > that it not only creates an atomosphere of curiousity but also leads > us to a journey of self discovery. Before i answer any of the > questions, let me ask something if you were given an option to go on > four different paths, would going on a particular path is important > or reaching destination is important. Remember one thing all the > paths leads us to same destination. And it is how we percieve our > steps through the journey- be it a tough steep hill or round curve- > the journey still continues. > > 1. Firstly can we undermine human efforts and struggle for betterment? > The human efforts when made in the right direction definitely > leads us to our betterment. But what if even our so called efforts > for betterment our struggle still continues. The same principle > applies for a person`s destiny. Astrology is not confined to 9 > planets & 12 houses, it is much more than what we see it as. The real > essence of any subject can be felt through experience. As now you see > it as 9 planets & 12 houses, but tomorrow you might see it as a > subject much more deeper than you thought. And one form to go to > depth of the ocean is to dive in the sea of knowledge. True once a > baby is born you see it as a magnificence creation of God, but as the > time progresses you are startled by all the revelations of even the > minutest activity that the baby does. Similarly to confine ourselves > to a room and to smell the odour of the rose over the hill will lead > us to a world of make belief. Where we havent explored the beauty but > still we are commenting on its elegance. Exploration is important, > not commenting on it. > > 2. There are certain texts which go on length to produce super- babies > or in simple words good individuals(i dont know what you refer by > super-babies, for me a definition can be different from yours) and > Rohini ji have given some references also. Here i would like to add a > comment there are sciences where you can literally have a baby girl > or a baby boy(whatever your preference is, i consider both to be > same) by following them. They are basically Swar Shastra or Gyan. > But what i feel that the ultimate creator of all knows everything and > controls it effectively. So until you have got the God`s grace even > you try to practice them there wont be much benefit. > > 3. Lets us confine ourselves to Matras and Yantras. Mantras and > Yantras are methods of praising God and to show our effection in a > subtle but yet powerful way. Now this does not mean that you cant > show the effection in other simple ways. These again relate to deeper > secrets which one can only explore by going through the vedas and > other related texts. The essence of praying to God through Mantra `s > where experienced and understood by great rishi s. They knew what is > the bast way to praise the ultimate power who has given us life. That > is what you see now as mantras and yantras. And in simple words would > it possible without God`s grace? > > 4. The ultimate objective of astrology in simple terms is betterment > of an individual, a society and the belief that even if there is pain > there also exists a healing power. In complex terms it is to attain > moksha as all the goals lead us to the path of Atma joining with the > Parmaatma. Be it whether it is for improvement of ourselves or be it > our fall. The hadcuffs even if are made of Gold still remains > handcuffs, so it doesnt matter whether you arr wearing iron ones or > gold ones. > > Gaurav > > , "Manjunath, T \(MED\)" > <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > Dear Friends, further to my questions (still expect more friends in > the forum to respond.) > > > > i read with great relish & some amusement John's mail. hey, so its > definitely worth a try > > for creating super kids... how does one do the meticulous > planning ?? > > > > Rohini-ji's article is now carefully saved in my harddisk for many > more re-reads > > guess she occupies the premium super rarified atmosphere, the > language is elegant > > & crisp. Surya again has given very interesting points to reflect > on. > > > > Now i want to know if there any sure-fire actions, mantras & > general guidelines, > > anybody ir-respective of gender can follow to achieve effective > personal traits > > like discipline, time management, spiritual leanings etc. > > > > for eg. the Gayatri mantra i believe in, certainly helped me in > times of difficulty. > > imagine, i could recite, remember it without any effort in just > under half an hour > > the first time i saw the mantra. of-course, i bought a audio- tape > to refine > > my pronounciation. > > > > > > OTHER MEMBERS : PLEASE RESPOND TO MY ORIGINAL QUERIES.... > > > > CHEERS & GOD BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. > > > > MANJU > > > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla [surya_prakashv] > > Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:29 PM > > > > Re: Perplexing Questions > > > > > > Hello Manju, > > > > I think most of us at some point or the other have the > > same musings about what it all means !! .. it;s when > > we start our journey to find the answers and we do > > come up with our own versions of answers that keep > > growing along with us !! > > > > From where i stand this is how I see things: > > People can be decided by 9 planets and 12 rasis etc if > > it were to be that fate was the only force that > > propells us forward in life ... > > I believe, apart from fate there is free will (like > > all the hulla raised recently) and more importantly > > there is god (or divine intelligence) above who act on > > a people and events at any given point of time .. > > there are many other factors as well the environment > > we grow up in etc ... (maybe even the mantras we learn > > ) > > > > As I see it .. planets only convey to you what > > experiences you have to undergo in your journey > > towards your destiny ... they most of the times do not > > decide the outcomes of the events unless the > > inclinations are very strong ... > > > > Every birth to me is a new slot given to us to start > > afresh (that is if you believe in soul and rebirth) .. > > there are tendencies that we to based on our > > own past actions ... these tendencies are shown in our > > horscopes with 9 expressions of personality trains as > > planets and 12 houses as platforms > > personal/interpersonal relations (loosely) ... > > remedies are our means of reducing the ill effects we > > might have to undergo simply because with every new > > birth we have cut from our previous lives .... god > > indeed is benevolent (whoever whatever it is) > > > > Plantes also indicate your destiny ... and palnets > > also indicate limitations you have to overcome wiht > > will and determination to reach taht destiny ... how > > much of will we excersise decides our fate (as against > > our destiny) .. > > > > Can we plan babies that dont fall in our scheme of > > things as we march towards our destiny?? u decide!! > > > > To me the ultimate objective of astrology is to get a > > glmipse into the mind of the creator and realise what > > his will is in creating the world as he has done it > > ... and move forward without letting our personal > > experiences narrow our vision by realising the grand > > scheme of things ... to me astrology is also a means > > of realising our potentials and limitations and > > maximising what we desire in our own lives ! > > > > To me the ultimate goal of human life is to go reverse > > engineer "Big bang" and go back to the primeval state > > of nothingness ... > > > > However ultimately, you have to find your own answers > > in your own way, we can at most inspire you on what > > sounds like a good path to tread !! > > > > Good luck ! > > > > Surya. > > > > --- John Aldrich <johnaldrichinc> wrote: > > > Hi Manjunath, > > > > > > I would like to answer this question. I do > > > understand > > > the essential for planning. But unfortunately fate > > > and > > > planning do not go in line with each other. I would > > > like to narrate a small incident which happened. I > > > am > > > sure you remember the entry to the new millenium the > > > Y2K or the year 2000. There was a major craze for a > > > lot of people who wanted to have their babies on > > > January 1st 2000. I also remember while I was in > > > bangalore some people exactly 9 months and 9 days in > > > advance took off and went away to nearby resorts > > > along > > > with their spouses to facilitate planning for the > > > child birth. They wanted to conceive on a particular > > > day so that the child will be born on January 1st. I > > > am aware of atleast 5 couples who left for ooty. But > > > what actually happened was that none of them had a > > > child on 1st January 2000. Of the 5, one child was > > > born premature, 1 never became pregnant at all > > > because > > > of the rythmic cycle not falling on that day and off > > > the other 3 one child was born on 31st December > > > 1999, > > > one child was born on 3rd January 2000 and one was > > > born on 9th January 2000. And these couples had > > > planned everything in advance in such meticulous > > > manner. You may ask that the 2 children who were > > > born > > > in January could have been born on January 1st 2000 > > > if > > > induced by caesaerean. But both the mothers ran into > > > some complications and the doctors advised agains > > > caesaerean on 1st January despite they being > > > admitted > > > in the hospital. > > > > > > Now, the amount of planning that went into the > > > entire > > > process was so meticulous that these 5 couples who > > > were friends had also give an interview in one of > > > the > > > local editions of a popular news daily. > > > > > > But the news that came on January 2nd in the same > > > paper was that 2 of the maids working in 2 of the > > > participants houses had their babies on 1st Jan > > > 2000. > > > The maids were illiterates and I am sure no one > > > advised them of the planning they need to do for a > > > baby on 1st jan 2000. > > > > > > This only goes to prove that there is a super > > > natural > > > power which decides on what we deserve is the best. > > > There is a lot that we want to do and we plan for > > > it. > > > But many of the times things do not happen the way > > > we > > > desire. And astrology gives insight into the purpose > > > that God almighty has defined for us in this life > > > time. I would say it gives clarity to the purpose of > > > life. > > > > > > This is my humble opinion to your thoughts. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John > > > > > > --- "Manjunath, T (MED)" <T.Manjunath@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > To all Wizards out there : > > > > > > > > i have few basic questions, that i am really > > > really > > > > curious to know on > > > > > > > > 1. i've heard from a prominent astrolger show on > > > > TV, that a person's destiny is > > > > only limited to 9 planets & 12 houses. is it right > > > ? > > > > if yes, does this not undermine human efforts & > > > > struggle for betterment ? > > > > > > > > 2. if Planet placements or Star/Raasi does > > > > determine a person's fate to a large extent, then > > > > cant this science be used to plan carefully & > > > > produce super-babies ? > > > > > > > > 3. Next, why are there so many mantras, yantras & > > > > gemstones & what have you > > > > to counter bad effects? Cant it be much simpler ? > > > > like genuine faith, sincerity & devotion > > > > to the Lord? Wont these tools ( mantras et al) be > > > > used by say individuals who perform bad deeds > > > > to redeem themselves. > > > > > > > > 4. what is the ultimate objective of astrology? > > > > > > > > thats it, sorry if my questions are silly, but > > > > please do answer them. > > > > i will read up some material which one other kind > > > > member sent me. > > > > > > > > Till then, have a great day. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > Manju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > > http://mobile./maildemo > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > Links > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Dear Gauravji, thanks please, no, i cant even think of doubting whatever sanjeevji said. kindly dont interpret it that way. my intention was to learn more mantras which suits me, instead of stumbling though. Please fwd me the Rahu Mantra's plus Rohini-ji texts on babies. since i am just a baby in this forum, 4 days old. maybe to my personal id, so as to not inconvenience others. rgds Manju Gaurav Sharma [gauravkom] Thursday, June 17, 2004 3:45 PM Re: Perplexing Questions Hi Manjunath, I think Sanjeev has already done a detailed prediction for you which are correct, so let us not doubt the predictions of any astrologer of the group. A couple of things for you, Sat-Kt in 4 house gives affliction to heart in short makes your heart weak. Moreover, your venus is in 6 house. Whenever Venus is in 6 house, it is advisable to go for arranged marriage and not to induldge in any extra martial affairs. Also the Jupiter in 11 house is a real blessing for you. You will be an industralist and will employ many people. Expenditure on conveyances cannot be ruled out. I think Sanjeev has already told to chant Rahu mantra`s. For more info you can refer to my message 7236 for rahu remedies. Also you can chant the following Sani Beej mantra 108 times every day. Om praam preem praum sah shanayishraya namah Apart from this reciting the following dasanama stotra of Shani by Dasharatha near a Pepal tree is also a highly recommended one. Konastha pingalobabhruh Krishnoroudraantakoyamah Souri, shanaischaro mandah Pippaladishu sansthitah And as for the super babies are concerned, you can read the texts suggested by Rohini ji earlier. Gaurav , "Manjunath, T \(MED\)" <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > Hi Gaurav ji, good evening... & a big thank you for your inputs. > > Esp. Point no. 3. ie. the efficacy of Mantras & Yantras > apart fm the Gayatri, i only know the Rama mantra, i mean the following one > > Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare > Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare > > Oh yes, recently we bought a pyramid yantra which has yantra's figures > drawn on each face ( not sure which ones) and a secret mool mantra > which the pandit gave me on a tape. Once i get a handle on it, i will share it with the members > so that all may benefit. hope no issues > this sunday i plan to master it (no time with the quarter closure) > > CAN WE ALSO THINK OF PRAYING FOR ONE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL SPECIFICALLY ON HIS/HER PROBLEM IN OUR DAILY PRAYERS... > PLS. GIVE IT THOUGHT & REFINE MY QUESTION TOO. MAYBE TAVIR JI SHOULD GUIDE, I KNOW THE QUIZZES GENERATE > INTEREST FOR EXPERIENCED MEMBERS. HOW DO PPL. LIKE ME CONTRIBUTE ? > > Please advice me on few other good mantras, i would like definitely want to chant them. > will it require my horoscope details or can one chant any mantra as they will? > ( dob: 25.07.1973.... time of birth : 10:05 PM.... place of birth : bangalore) > sanjeev-ji sent me a detailed mail which has thrilled me no end.. thanks again sanjeevji > > Ohhh.. one other thing, i think i am quite lazy, a trait which infuriates me so much, > that the person in the mirror gets a earful once in a while, i cant help but feeling my > talents, energies are still dormant, i really want to bring them out, i wonder how to unleash them > i finish jobs/tasks in an intense burst of energy/activity & then go back to sleep > > Hah... super babies or good babies ... Yes, most interested... why not ?? .. i am sure others > too will be curios. Pls. send in more details > > > Gaurav Sharma [gauravkom] > Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:07 PM > > Re: Perplexing Questions > > > Hello Manjunath, > The perplexity of any question can jugded by the fact > that it not only creates an atomosphere of curiousity but also leads > us to a journey of self discovery. Before i answer any of the > questions, let me ask something if you were given an option to go on > four different paths, would going on a particular path is important > or reaching destination is important. Remember one thing all the > paths leads us to same destination. And it is how we percieve our > steps through the journey- be it a tough steep hill or round curve- > the journey still continues. > > 1. Firstly can we undermine human efforts and struggle for betterment? > The human efforts when made in the right direction definitely > leads us to our betterment. But what if even our so called efforts > for betterment our struggle still continues. The same principle > applies for a person`s destiny. Astrology is not confined to 9 > planets & 12 houses, it is much more than what we see it as. The real > essence of any subject can be felt through experience. As now you see > it as 9 planets & 12 houses, but tomorrow you might see it as a > subject much more deeper than you thought. And one form to go to > depth of the ocean is to dive in the sea of knowledge. True once a > baby is born you see it as a magnificence creation of God, but as the > time progresses you are startled by all the revelations of even the > minutest activity that the baby does. Similarly to confine ourselves > to a room and to smell the odour of the rose over the hill will lead > us to a world of make belief. Where we havent explored the beauty but > still we are commenting on its elegance. Exploration is important, > not commenting on it. > > 2. There are certain texts which go on length to produce super- babies > or in simple words good individuals(i dont know what you refer by > super-babies, for me a definition can be different from yours) and > Rohini ji have given some references also. Here i would like to add a > comment there are sciences where you can literally have a baby girl > or a baby boy(whatever your preference is, i consider both to be > same) by following them. They are basically Swar Shastra or Gyan. > But what i feel that the ultimate creator of all knows everything and > controls it effectively. So until you have got the God`s grace even > you try to practice them there wont be much benefit. > > 3. Lets us confine ourselves to Matras and Yantras. Mantras and > Yantras are methods of praising God and to show our effection in a > subtle but yet powerful way. Now this does not mean that you cant > show the effection in other simple ways. These again relate to deeper > secrets which one can only explore by going through the vedas and > other related texts. The essence of praying to God through Mantra `s > where experienced and understood by great rishi s. They knew what is > the bast way to praise the ultimate power who has given us life. That > is what you see now as mantras and yantras. And in simple words would > it possible without God`s grace? > > 4. The ultimate objective of astrology in simple terms is betterment > of an individual, a society and the belief that even if there is pain > there also exists a healing power. In complex terms it is to attain > moksha as all the goals lead us to the path of Atma joining with the > Parmaatma. Be it whether it is for improvement of ourselves or be it > our fall. The hadcuffs even if are made of Gold still remains > handcuffs, so it doesnt matter whether you arr wearing iron ones or > gold ones. > > Gaurav > > , "Manjunath, T \(MED\)" > <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > Dear Friends, further to my questions (still expect more friends in > the forum to respond.) > > > > i read with great relish & some amusement John's mail. hey, so its > definitely worth a try > > for creating super kids... how does one do the meticulous > planning ?? > > > > Rohini-ji's article is now carefully saved in my harddisk for many > more re-reads > > guess she occupies the premium super rarified atmosphere, the > language is elegant > > & crisp. Surya again has given very interesting points to reflect > on. > > > > Now i want to know if there any sure-fire actions, mantras & > general guidelines, > > anybody ir-respective of gender can follow to achieve effective > personal traits > > like discipline, time management, spiritual leanings etc. > > > > for eg. the Gayatri mantra i believe in, certainly helped me in > times of difficulty. > > imagine, i could recite, remember it without any effort in just > under half an hour > > the first time i saw the mantra. of-course, i bought a audio- tape > to refine > > my pronounciation. > > > > > > OTHER MEMBERS : PLEASE RESPOND TO MY ORIGINAL QUERIES.... > > > > CHEERS & GOD BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. > > > > MANJU > > > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla [surya_prakashv] > > Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:29 PM > > > > Re: Perplexing Questions > > > > > > Hello Manju, > > > > I think most of us at some point or the other have the > > same musings about what it all means !! .. it;s when > > we start our journey to find the answers and we do > > come up with our own versions of answers that keep > > growing along with us !! > > > > From where i stand this is how I see things: > > People can be decided by 9 planets and 12 rasis etc if > > it were to be that fate was the only force that > > propells us forward in life ... > > I believe, apart from fate there is free will (like > > all the hulla raised recently) and more importantly > > there is god (or divine intelligence) above who act on > > a people and events at any given point of time .. > > there are many other factors as well the environment > > we grow up in etc ... (maybe even the mantras we learn > > ) > > > > As I see it .. planets only convey to you what > > experiences you have to undergo in your journey > > towards your destiny ... they most of the times do not > > decide the outcomes of the events unless the > > inclinations are very strong ... > > > > Every birth to me is a new slot given to us to start > > afresh (that is if you believe in soul and rebirth) .. > > there are tendencies that we to based on our > > own past actions ... these tendencies are shown in our > > horscopes with 9 expressions of personality trains as > > planets and 12 houses as platforms > > personal/interpersonal relations (loosely) ... > > remedies are our means of reducing the ill effects we > > might have to undergo simply because with every new > > birth we have cut from our previous lives .... god > > indeed is benevolent (whoever whatever it is) > > > > Plantes also indicate your destiny ... and palnets > > also indicate limitations you have to overcome wiht > > will and determination to reach taht destiny ... how > > much of will we excersise decides our fate (as against > > our destiny) .. > > > > Can we plan babies that dont fall in our scheme of > > things as we march towards our destiny?? u decide!! > > > > To me the ultimate objective of astrology is to get a > > glmipse into the mind of the creator and realise what > > his will is in creating the world as he has done it > > ... and move forward without letting our personal > > experiences narrow our vision by realising the grand > > scheme of things ... to me astrology is also a means > > of realising our potentials and limitations and > > maximising what we desire in our own lives ! > > > > To me the ultimate goal of human life is to go reverse > > engineer "Big bang" and go back to the primeval state > > of nothingness ... > > > > However ultimately, you have to find your own answers > > in your own way, we can at most inspire you on what > > sounds like a good path to tread !! > > > > Good luck ! > > > > Surya. > > > > --- John Aldrich <johnaldrichinc> wrote: > > > Hi Manjunath, > > > > > > I would like to answer this question. I do > > > understand > > > the essential for planning. But unfortunately fate > > > and > > > planning do not go in line with each other. I would > > > like to narrate a small incident which happened. I > > > am > > > sure you remember the entry to the new millenium the > > > Y2K or the year 2000. There was a major craze for a > > > lot of people who wanted to have their babies on > > > January 1st 2000. I also remember while I was in > > > bangalore some people exactly 9 months and 9 days in > > > advance took off and went away to nearby resorts > > > along > > > with their spouses to facilitate planning for the > > > child birth. They wanted to conceive on a particular > > > day so that the child will be born on January 1st. I > > > am aware of atleast 5 couples who left for ooty. But > > > what actually happened was that none of them had a > > > child on 1st January 2000. Of the 5, one child was > > > born premature, 1 never became pregnant at all > > > because > > > of the rythmic cycle not falling on that day and off > > > the other 3 one child was born on 31st December > > > 1999, > > > one child was born on 3rd January 2000 and one was > > > born on 9th January 2000. And these couples had > > > planned everything in advance in such meticulous > > > manner. You may ask that the 2 children who were > > > born > > > in January could have been born on January 1st 2000 > > > if > > > induced by caesaerean. But both the mothers ran into > > > some complications and the doctors advised agains > > > caesaerean on 1st January despite they being > > > admitted > > > in the hospital. > > > > > > Now, the amount of planning that went into the > > > entire > > > process was so meticulous that these 5 couples who > > > were friends had also give an interview in one of > > > the > > > local editions of a popular news daily. > > > > > > But the news that came on January 2nd in the same > > > paper was that 2 of the maids working in 2 of the > > > participants houses had their babies on 1st Jan > > > 2000. > > > The maids were illiterates and I am sure no one > > > advised them of the planning they need to do for a > > > baby on 1st jan 2000. > > > > > > This only goes to prove that there is a super > > > natural > > > power which decides on what we deserve is the best. > > > There is a lot that we want to do and we plan for > > > it. > > > But many of the times things do not happen the way > > > we > > > desire. And astrology gives insight into the purpose > > > that God almighty has defined for us in this life > > > time. I would say it gives clarity to the purpose of > > > life. > > > > > > This is my humble opinion to your thoughts. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John > > > > > > --- "Manjunath, T (MED)" <T.Manjunath@g...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > To all Wizards out there : > > > > > > > > i have few basic questions, that i am really > > > really > > > > curious to know on > > > > > > > > 1. i've heard from a prominent astrolger show on > > > > TV, that a person's destiny is > > > > only limited to 9 planets & 12 houses. is it right > > > ? > > > > if yes, does this not undermine human efforts & > > > > struggle for betterment ? > > > > > > > > 2. if Planet placements or Star/Raasi does > > > > determine a person's fate to a large extent, then > > > > cant this science be used to plan carefully & > > > > produce super-babies ? > > > > > > > > 3. Next, why are there so many mantras, yantras & > > > > gemstones & what have you > > > > to counter bad effects? Cant it be much simpler ? > > > > like genuine faith, sincerity & devotion > > > > to the Lord? Wont these tools ( mantras et al) be > > > > used by say individuals who perform bad deeds > > > > to redeem themselves. > > > > > > > > 4. what is the ultimate objective of astrology? > > > > > > > > thats it, sorry if my questions are silly, but > > > > please do answer them. > > > > i will read up some material which one other kind > > > > member sent me. > > > > > > > > Till then, have a great day. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > Manju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > > http://mobile./maildemo > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > Links > > > > > ~! 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