Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Tanvir, Postmortem analysis (sadly literally so in this case) -- Good analysis, but a simpler pattern using raman ayanamsha emerges, without going into a lot of detailed associations etc. I am getting ME-Ra vimshottari dasha-bhukti from October 2002 to April 2005 (ascendant 14LIB48). 1) Rahu is in second house (maraka) and in nakshatra of saturn (natural ayukaraka). Saturn is strong and in seventh from gulika hence influenced by it. 2) Rahu represents mars (being in mars' sign). Mars in this case is strong maraka because it rules both the 2nd and 7th houses. 3) Mars is afflicting the 8th house which is the house of longevity where it is placed with ketu (suddenness, accidents). 4) Mercury the mahadasha lord (and atmakaraka) is poor in balas and awasthas and placed in badhaksthana. Also present in badhaksthana are sun (vitality) and lagnesha venus. 1,2 and 3 link rahu with maraka 3 and 4 indicate that longevity may not be strong -- particularly 4 with its connection to vitality and lagnesha and dasha lord Please note that mercury is in sun's star, so in its dasha can give the influence of the 11th house combo (4) strongly with harm caused to self because of its weak strength and awastha (5) etc. This is based on Gopalkrisha rao meena's principles (similar to Krishnamurthi's later enunciated principle in KP) Still does not make for an easy analysis in a cold reading situation! Particularly in someone so young!! RR , "Tanvir Chowdhury" <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > Dear all, > > Here is the result of Quiz-2. The correct answer is, DEATH. The > native died on a road accidant on the day mentioned. This is really > unexpected and even a bit difficult to believe. When after her death > I saw the chart to find out the reason, I thought that the birth data > is surely wrong. But later, for the second time I saw the chart, it > was recently, and then I understand it all. Here I am posting my > observation or analysis for the event, may be some of you can find > more reasons or better analysis :-) > > The event was in Me-Mo-Sa. Mercury is the 12th lord so he is a bit > negative about life and vitality. It is in the 11th house with 8th > lord Venus, 8th lord means accidents and also death. But what I > wonder, that Venus is also the Lagna Lord. So he should protect. > Anyway at last I end up guessing that 12th lord joins Retro Asc lord > [which is the 8th lord too] that ends up being a bit negative for > vitality and life. > > The AD lord is Moon. Most of the time for any major or semi-major > event, most importance is put up on AD lord, that is logical and > correct. Here the AD lord is Moon, the 10th lord. It does not say > anything. Moon is in 6th house, it is a bit troublesome, 6th house is > mishaps and problems but not surely accident or direct death. But > what I find here important, is that, Moon is in the star of Jupiter. > Jupiter rules 3rd house and 6th house, 3rd house = vitality and life, > we all know. And this Jupiter is totally powerless for being on the > 01 degree on the sign and also it is directionally weak in 7th. I > have always seen that people do not give much importance on > directional strength but in my personal experience directionally weak > means being fallen and directionally strong means exaltation! I have > seen it so many times. Also being in the last two or first two > degrees on any rashi makes the planet very weak. And this combined > weakening facts make the Jupiter very very weak, so Jupiter being the > 3rd lord can not provide vitality anymore. So death like situation is > indicated, I would at least predict 'On bed' condition at least for > being afflcited by at least a disease! And Moon being is the star of > Jupiter, gives the result as per Jupiter's intention. It also should > be noted that Moon is in star of Jupiter but it also is in the sign > of Jupiter, so jupiter controls it all. Also Moon being in the 6th > house, make the matter worse. I would at least predict a strong > disease in this condition. Well sign dispositor is a source of > strength to many authors, and some say that if the sign dispositor of > a planet is weak, the planet suffers to some degree. I really never > have taken this theory but it seems that there might be some truth in > it. > > The PD was of Saturn and that is not clear to me. But well Saturn is > in the sign of Moon and rules death and accidents. He is the yoga > karaka here though! But Saturn rules conveyance here, being the 4th > lord, the death was in road accident. The lady was going her village > for her own marriage ceremony just 2 days left, they married 3/4 > years ago but the ceremony was delayed. > > On the day TR Sat was in 8H from Asc joining TR Rahu. Sat and Rahu in > 8H = accidents for sure. Jupiter was in 10H. Both Jupiter and Saturn > was Retro. Moon was fallen in Scorpio, where the natal Rahu was. It > also is the 12th to the 3rd, house of Jupiter. > > Best wishes, > Tanvir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Let me also explain how I reached a conclusion of uterus operation/loss . As per KP, the sub lord of ascendent is Mercury in the star of Rahu and sign of Venus. The ascendent itself shows infliction by Mars without any aspect/support of Jupiter. Sevnth sign shows uterus in females ,Mercury also lord of 12th means loss, Rahu prodominently representing Mars shows surgery/infliction --all these interpreted as loss of uterus. KP anaymsa --Mercury anthra starting that day or previous day. Mer in star/ sub of Sun which is inflicred by being in star/sub of Rahu and Ketu and associated with lord of lagna Venus and having close aspect of Mars. Bhukti-- Moon also in the sub of Rahu same affect. On that day Mercury came in the star of Venus and sub of Rahu, gave me feeling that Mars infliction means Cut/surgery, Venus reprnting Uterus [ now as post marteim we can say Veus is self also along with Mercury], and Mercury showing loss must be uterus loss. As the period running was comfortable/status [now as car -luxury], I guessed as uterus removal, offcourse, death could never have come to my mind. Inder In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Tanvir, > Postmortem analysis (sadly literally so in this case) -- > > Good analysis, but a simpler pattern using raman ayanamsha emerges, > without going into a lot of detailed associations etc. I am getting > ME-Ra vimshottari dasha-bhukti from October 2002 to April 2005 > (ascendant 14LIB48). > 1) Rahu is in second house (maraka) and in nakshatra of saturn > (natural ayukaraka). Saturn is strong and in seventh from gulika > hence influenced by it. > 2) Rahu represents mars (being in mars' sign). Mars in this case is > strong maraka because it rules both the 2nd and 7th houses. > 3) Mars is afflicting the 8th house which is the house of longevity > where it is placed with ketu (suddenness, accidents). > 4) Mercury the mahadasha lord (and atmakaraka) is poor in balas and > awasthas and placed in badhaksthana. Also present in badhaksthana > are sun (vitality) and lagnesha venus. > > 1,2 and 3 link rahu with maraka > 3 and 4 indicate that longevity may not be strong -- particularly 4 > with its connection to vitality and lagnesha and dasha lord > > Please note that mercury is in sun's star, so in its dasha can give > the influence of the 11th house combo (4) strongly with harm caused > to self because of its weak strength and awastha (5) etc. This is > based on Gopalkrisha rao meena's principles (similar to > Krishnamurthi's later enunciated principle in KP) > > Still does not make for an easy analysis in a cold reading > situation! Particularly in someone so young!! > > > RR > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Here is the result of Quiz-2. The correct answer is, DEATH. The > > native died on a road accidant on the day mentioned. This is > really > > unexpected and even a bit difficult to believe. When after her > death > > I saw the chart to find out the reason, I thought that the birth > data > > is surely wrong. But later, for the second time I saw the chart, > it > > was recently, and then I understand it all. Here I am posting my > > observation or analysis for the event, may be some of you can find > > more reasons or better analysis :-) > > > > The event was in Me-Mo-Sa. Mercury is the 12th lord so he is a bit > > negative about life and vitality. It is in the 11th house with 8th > > lord Venus, 8th lord means accidents and also death. But what I > > wonder, that Venus is also the Lagna Lord. So he should protect. > > Anyway at last I end up guessing that 12th lord joins Retro Asc > lord > > [which is the 8th lord too] that ends up being a bit negative for > > vitality and life. > > > > The AD lord is Moon. Most of the time for any major or semi- major > > event, most importance is put up on AD lord, that is logical and > > correct. Here the AD lord is Moon, the 10th lord. It does not say > > anything. Moon is in 6th house, it is a bit troublesome, 6th house > is > > mishaps and problems but not surely accident or direct death. But > > what I find here important, is that, Moon is in the star of > Jupiter. > > Jupiter rules 3rd house and 6th house, 3rd house = vitality and > life, > > we all know. And this Jupiter is totally powerless for being on > the > > 01 degree on the sign and also it is directionally weak in 7th. I > > have always seen that people do not give much importance on > > directional strength but in my personal experience directionally > weak > > means being fallen and directionally strong means exaltation! I > have > > seen it so many times. Also being in the last two or first two > > degrees on any rashi makes the planet very weak. And this combined > > weakening facts make the Jupiter very very weak, so Jupiter being > the > > 3rd lord can not provide vitality anymore. So death like situation > is > > indicated, I would at least predict 'On bed' condition at least > for > > being afflcited by at least a disease! And Moon being is the star > of > > Jupiter, gives the result as per Jupiter's intention. It also > should > > be noted that Moon is in star of Jupiter but it also is in the > sign > > of Jupiter, so jupiter controls it all. Also Moon being in the 6th > > house, make the matter worse. I would at least predict a strong > > disease in this condition. Well sign dispositor is a source of > > strength to many authors, and some say that if the sign dispositor > of > > a planet is weak, the planet suffers to some degree. I really > never > > have taken this theory but it seems that there might be some truth > in > > it. > > > > The PD was of Saturn and that is not clear to me. But well Saturn > is > > in the sign of Moon and rules death and accidents. He is the yoga > > karaka here though! But Saturn rules conveyance here, being the > 4th > > lord, the death was in road accident. The lady was going her > village > > for her own marriage ceremony just 2 days left, they married 3/4 > > years ago but the ceremony was delayed. > > > > On the day TR Sat was in 8H from Asc joining TR Rahu. Sat and Rahu > in > > 8H = accidents for sure. Jupiter was in 10H. Both Jupiter and > Saturn > > was Retro. Moon was fallen in Scorpio, where the natal Rahu was. > It > > also is the 12th to the 3rd, house of Jupiter. > > > > Best wishes, > > Tanvir. 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Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Yes this makes sense. This chart and the unfortunate incident will make a very good illustration in favour of Raman Ayanamsha, though, since it shows so directly the possibility of the actual effect experienced -- as I described in my message. RR , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Let me also explain how I reached a conclusion of uterus > operation/loss . > As per KP, the sub lord of ascendent is Mercury in the star of Rahu > and sign of Venus. The ascendent itself shows infliction by Mars > without any aspect/support of Jupiter. Sevnth sign shows uterus in > females ,Mercury also lord of 12th means loss, Rahu prodominently > representing Mars shows surgery/infliction --all these interpreted > as loss of uterus. > KP anaymsa --Mercury anthra starting that day or previous day. Mer > in star/ sub of Sun which is inflicred by being in star/sub of Rahu > and Ketu and associated with lord of lagna Venus and having close > aspect of Mars. > Bhukti-- Moon also in the sub of Rahu same affect. > On that day Mercury came in the star of Venus and sub of Rahu, gave > me feeling that Mars infliction means Cut/surgery, Venus reprnting > Uterus [ now as post marteim we can say Veus is self also along with > Mercury], and Mercury showing loss must be uterus loss. > As the period running was comfortable/status [now as car -luxury], I > guessed as uterus removal, offcourse, death could never have come to > my mind. > Inder > In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Tanvir, > > Postmortem analysis (sadly literally so in this case) -- > > > > Good analysis, but a simpler pattern using raman ayanamsha > emerges, > > without going into a lot of detailed associations etc. I am > getting > > ME-Ra vimshottari dasha-bhukti from October 2002 to April 2005 > > (ascendant 14LIB48). > > 1) Rahu is in second house (maraka) and in nakshatra of saturn > > (natural ayukaraka). Saturn is strong and in seventh from gulika > > hence influenced by it. > > 2) Rahu represents mars (being in mars' sign). Mars in this case > is > > strong maraka because it rules both the 2nd and 7th houses. > > 3) Mars is afflicting the 8th house which is the house of > longevity > > where it is placed with ketu (suddenness, accidents). > > 4) Mercury the mahadasha lord (and atmakaraka) is poor in balas > and > > awasthas and placed in badhaksthana. Also present in badhaksthana > > are sun (vitality) and lagnesha venus. > > > > 1,2 and 3 link rahu with maraka > > 3 and 4 indicate that longevity may not be strong -- particularly > 4 > > with its connection to vitality and lagnesha and dasha lord > > > > Please note that mercury is in sun's star, so in its dasha can > give > > the influence of the 11th house combo (4) strongly with harm > caused > > to self because of its weak strength and awastha (5) etc. This is > > based on Gopalkrisha rao meena's principles (similar to > > Krishnamurthi's later enunciated principle in KP) > > > > Still does not make for an easy analysis in a cold reading > > situation! Particularly in someone so young!! > > > > > > RR > > > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Here is the result of Quiz-2. The correct answer is, DEATH. The > > > native died on a road accidant on the day mentioned. This is > > really > > > unexpected and even a bit difficult to believe. When after her > > death > > > I saw the chart to find out the reason, I thought that the birth > > data > > > is surely wrong. But later, for the second time I saw the chart, > > it > > > was recently, and then I understand it all. Here I am posting my > > > observation or analysis for the event, may be some of you can > find > > > more reasons or better analysis :-) > > > > > > The event was in Me-Mo-Sa. Mercury is the 12th lord so he is a > bit > > > negative about life and vitality. It is in the 11th house with > 8th > > > lord Venus, 8th lord means accidents and also death. But what I > > > wonder, that Venus is also the Lagna Lord. So he should protect. > > > Anyway at last I end up guessing that 12th lord joins Retro Asc > > lord > > > [which is the 8th lord too] that ends up being a bit negative > for > > > vitality and life. > > > > > > The AD lord is Moon. Most of the time for any major or semi- > major > > > event, most importance is put up on AD lord, that is logical and > > > correct. Here the AD lord is Moon, the 10th lord. It does not > say > > > anything. Moon is in 6th house, it is a bit troublesome, 6th > house > > is > > > mishaps and problems but not surely accident or direct death. > But > > > what I find here important, is that, Moon is in the star of > > Jupiter. > > > Jupiter rules 3rd house and 6th house, 3rd house = vitality and > > life, > > > we all know. And this Jupiter is totally powerless for being on > > the > > > 01 degree on the sign and also it is directionally weak in 7th. > I > > > have always seen that people do not give much importance on > > > directional strength but in my personal experience directionally > > weak > > > means being fallen and directionally strong means exaltation! I > > have > > > seen it so many times. Also being in the last two or first two > > > degrees on any rashi makes the planet very weak. And this > combined > > > weakening facts make the Jupiter very very weak, so Jupiter > being > > the > > > 3rd lord can not provide vitality anymore. So death like > situation > > is > > > indicated, I would at least predict 'On bed' condition at least > > for > > > being afflcited by at least a disease! And Moon being is the > star > > of > > > Jupiter, gives the result as per Jupiter's intention. It also > > should > > > be noted that Moon is in star of Jupiter but it also is in the > > sign > > > of Jupiter, so jupiter controls it all. Also Moon being in the > 6th > > > house, make the matter worse. I would at least predict a strong > > > disease in this condition. Well sign dispositor is a source of > > > strength to many authors, and some say that if the sign > dispositor > > of > > > a planet is weak, the planet suffers to some degree. I really > > never > > > have taken this theory but it seems that there might be some > truth > > in > > > it. > > > > > > The PD was of Saturn and that is not clear to me. But well > Saturn > > is > > > in the sign of Moon and rules death and accidents. He is the > yoga > > > karaka here though! But Saturn rules conveyance here, being the > > 4th > > > lord, the death was in road accident. The lady was going her > > village > > > for her own marriage ceremony just 2 days left, they married 3/4 > > > years ago but the ceremony was delayed. > > > > > > On the day TR Sat was in 8H from Asc joining TR Rahu. Sat and > Rahu > > in > > > 8H = accidents for sure. Jupiter was in 10H. Both Jupiter and > > Saturn > > > was Retro. Moon was fallen in Scorpio, where the natal Rahu was. > > It > > > also is the 12th to the 3rd, house of Jupiter. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Tanvir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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