Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Oh dear oh dear, So sad. But never make a quiz for a forecast on death as it is an area people or any astrologer would avoid probing into. Tragic. Inder -- In , "Tanvir Chowdhury" <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > Dear all, > > Here is the result of Quiz-2. The correct answer is, DEATH. The > native died on a road accidant on the day mentioned. This is really > unexpected and even a bit difficult to believe. When after her death > I saw the chart to find out the reason, I thought that the birth data > is surely wrong. But later, for the second time I saw the chart, it > was recently, and then I understand it all. Here I am posting my > observation or analysis for the event, may be some of you can find > more reasons or better analysis :-) > > The event was in Me-Mo-Sa. Mercury is the 12th lord so he is a bit > negative about life and vitality. It is in the 11th house with 8th > lord Venus, 8th lord means accidents and also death. But what I > wonder, that Venus is also the Lagna Lord. So he should protect. > Anyway at last I end up guessing that 12th lord joins Retro Asc lord > [which is the 8th lord too] that ends up being a bit negative for > vitality and life. > > The AD lord is Moon. Most of the time for any major or semi-major > event, most importance is put up on AD lord, that is logical and > correct. Here the AD lord is Moon, the 10th lord. It does not say > anything. Moon is in 6th house, it is a bit troublesome, 6th house is > mishaps and problems but not surely accident or direct death. But > what I find here important, is that, Moon is in the star of Jupiter. > Jupiter rules 3rd house and 6th house, 3rd house = vitality and life, > we all know. And this Jupiter is totally powerless for being on the > 01 degree on the sign and also it is directionally weak in 7th. I > have always seen that people do not give much importance on > directional strength but in my personal experience directionally weak > means being fallen and directionally strong means exaltation! I have > seen it so many times. Also being in the last two or first two > degrees on any rashi makes the planet very weak. And this combined > weakening facts make the Jupiter very very weak, so Jupiter being the > 3rd lord can not provide vitality anymore. So death like situation is > indicated, I would at least predict 'On bed' condition at least for > being afflcited by at least a disease! And Moon being is the star of > Jupiter, gives the result as per Jupiter's intention. It also should > be noted that Moon is in star of Jupiter but it also is in the sign > of Jupiter, so jupiter controls it all. Also Moon being in the 6th > house, make the matter worse. I would at least predict a strong > disease in this condition. Well sign dispositor is a source of > strength to many authors, and some say that if the sign dispositor of > a planet is weak, the planet suffers to some degree. I really never > have taken this theory but it seems that there might be some truth in > it. > > The PD was of Saturn and that is not clear to me. But well Saturn is > in the sign of Moon and rules death and accidents. He is the yoga > karaka here though! But Saturn rules conveyance here, being the 4th > lord, the death was in road accident. The lady was going her village > for her own marriage ceremony just 2 days left, they married 3/4 > years ago but the ceremony was delayed. > > On the day TR Sat was in 8H from Asc joining TR Rahu. Sat and Rahu in > 8H = accidents for sure. Jupiter was in 10H. Both Jupiter and Saturn > was Retro. Moon was fallen in Scorpio, where the natal Rahu was. It > also is the 12th to the 3rd, house of Jupiter. > > Best wishes, > Tanvir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Back to the drawing board, every one :-) Maybe starting with something simpler like my quizes on many charts with the same profession -- which one? Why are these individuals software workers? And the first quiz with 8 ot 9 charts where the dates are given and simpler more mundane events are given which people will come to ask you about for sure! Tanvir, I will look at the chart again and see if anything emerges. I have nearly zero experience in predicting death or havent even made a study of it to tell you the truth. Good chart to add to my collection. Thanks! , "Tanvir Chowdhury" <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > Dear all, > > Here is the result of Quiz-2. The correct answer is, DEATH. The > native died on a road accidant on the day mentioned. This is really > unexpected and even a bit difficult to believe. When after her death > I saw the chart to find out the reason, I thought that the birth data > is surely wrong. But later, for the second time I saw the chart, it > was recently, and then I understand it all. Here I am posting my > observation or analysis for the event, may be some of you can find > more reasons or better analysis :-) > > The event was in Me-Mo-Sa. Mercury is the 12th lord so he is a bit > negative about life and vitality. It is in the 11th house with 8th > lord Venus, 8th lord means accidents and also death. But what I > wonder, that Venus is also the Lagna Lord. So he should protect. > Anyway at last I end up guessing that 12th lord joins Retro Asc lord > [which is the 8th lord too] that ends up being a bit negative for > vitality and life. > > The AD lord is Moon. Most of the time for any major or semi-major > event, most importance is put up on AD lord, that is logical and > correct. Here the AD lord is Moon, the 10th lord. It does not say > anything. Moon is in 6th house, it is a bit troublesome, 6th house is > mishaps and problems but not surely accident or direct death. But > what I find here important, is that, Moon is in the star of Jupiter. > Jupiter rules 3rd house and 6th house, 3rd house = vitality and life, > we all know. And this Jupiter is totally powerless for being on the > 01 degree on the sign and also it is directionally weak in 7th. I > have always seen that people do not give much importance on > directional strength but in my personal experience directionally weak > means being fallen and directionally strong means exaltation! I have > seen it so many times. Also being in the last two or first two > degrees on any rashi makes the planet very weak. And this combined > weakening facts make the Jupiter very very weak, so Jupiter being the > 3rd lord can not provide vitality anymore. So death like situation is > indicated, I would at least predict 'On bed' condition at least for > being afflcited by at least a disease! And Moon being is the star of > Jupiter, gives the result as per Jupiter's intention. It also should > be noted that Moon is in star of Jupiter but it also is in the sign > of Jupiter, so jupiter controls it all. Also Moon being in the 6th > house, make the matter worse. I would at least predict a strong > disease in this condition. Well sign dispositor is a source of > strength to many authors, and some say that if the sign dispositor of > a planet is weak, the planet suffers to some degree. I really never > have taken this theory but it seems that there might be some truth in > it. > > The PD was of Saturn and that is not clear to me. But well Saturn is > in the sign of Moon and rules death and accidents. He is the yoga > karaka here though! But Saturn rules conveyance here, being the 4th > lord, the death was in road accident. The lady was going her village > for her own marriage ceremony just 2 days left, they married 3/4 > years ago but the ceremony was delayed. > > On the day TR Sat was in 8H from Asc joining TR Rahu. Sat and Rahu in > 8H = accidents for sure. Jupiter was in 10H. Both Jupiter and Saturn > was Retro. Moon was fallen in Scorpio, where the natal Rahu was. It > also is the 12th to the 3rd, house of Jupiter. > > Best wishes, > Tanvir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Tanvir, When i was trying to look into the horoscope .. i looked up for me/mo/sa antardasa in a book where it said that death like situation would come onto the person if saturn was in a bad house, with sade sati or astama sani so on ... Do you suppose saturn being the lord of 4th and 5th has something to do with the way the death happened as well? Also, should we try to look into the antardasa within the saturn dasa for additional clues? --- Inder <indervohra2001 wrote: > Oh dear oh dear, > So sad. But never make a quiz for a forecast on > death as it is an > area people or any astrologer would avoid probing > into. > Tragic. > Inder > -- In , "Tanvir > Chowdhury" > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Here is the result of Quiz-2. The correct answer > is, DEATH. The > > native died on a road accidant on the day > mentioned. This is > really > > unexpected and even a bit difficult to believe. > When after her > death > > I saw the chart to find out the reason, I thought > that the birth > data > > is surely wrong. But later, for the second time I > saw the chart, > it > > was recently, and then I understand it all. Here I > am posting my > > observation or analysis for the event, may be some > of you can find > > more reasons or better analysis :-) > > > > The event was in Me-Mo-Sa. Mercury is the 12th > lord so he is a bit > > negative about life and vitality. It is in the > 11th house with 8th > > lord Venus, 8th lord means accidents and also > death. But what I > > wonder, that Venus is also the Lagna Lord. So he > should protect. > > Anyway at last I end up guessing that 12th lord > joins Retro Asc > lord > > [which is the 8th lord too] that ends up being a > bit negative for > > vitality and life. > > > > The AD lord is Moon. Most of the time for any > major or semi-major > > event, most importance is put up on AD lord, that > is logical and > > correct. Here the AD lord is Moon, the 10th lord. > It does not say > > anything. Moon is in 6th house, it is a bit > troublesome, 6th house > is > > mishaps and problems but not surely accident or > direct death. But > > what I find here important, is that, Moon is in > the star of > Jupiter. > > Jupiter rules 3rd house and 6th house, 3rd house = > vitality and > life, > > we all know. And this Jupiter is totally powerless > for being on > the > > 01 degree on the sign and also it is directionally > weak in 7th. I > > have always seen that people do not give much > importance on > > directional strength but in my personal experience > directionally > weak > > means being fallen and directionally strong means > exaltation! I > have > > seen it so many times. Also being in the last two > or first two > > degrees on any rashi makes the planet very weak. > And this combined > > weakening facts make the Jupiter very very weak, > so Jupiter being > the > > 3rd lord can not provide vitality anymore. So > death like situation > is > > indicated, I would at least predict 'On bed' > condition at least > for > > being afflcited by at least a disease! And Moon > being is the star > of > > Jupiter, gives the result as per Jupiter's > intention. It also > should > > be noted that Moon is in star of Jupiter but it > also is in the > sign > > of Jupiter, so jupiter controls it all. Also Moon > being in the 6th > > house, make the matter worse. I would at least > predict a strong > > disease in this condition. Well sign dispositor is > a source of > > strength to many authors, and some say that if the > sign dispositor > of > > a planet is weak, the planet suffers to some > degree. I really > never > > have taken this theory but it seems that there > might be some truth > in > > it. > > > > The PD was of Saturn and that is not clear to me. > But well Saturn > is > > in the sign of Moon and rules death and accidents. > He is the yoga > > karaka here though! But Saturn rules conveyance > here, being the > 4th > > lord, the death was in road accident. The lady was > going her > village > > for her own marriage ceremony just 2 days left, > they married 3/4 > > years ago but the ceremony was delayed. > > > > On the day TR Sat was in 8H from Asc joining TR > Rahu. Sat and Rahu > in > > 8H = accidents for sure. Jupiter was in 10H. Both > Jupiter and > Saturn > > was Retro. Moon was fallen in Scorpio, where the > natal Rahu was. > It > > also is the 12th to the 3rd, house of Jupiter. > > > > Best wishes, > > Tanvir. > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Oh dear !~ a post mortem can not be a prediction, or a forecast, since it is a past event! My intention was to show people that it is hardly likely to happen, though it DID ! It was indeed sad. She was close to me a lot and shared some toughness of me I was going through in the V DIFFICULT SAT PD ! Thanks, Tanvir. , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Oh dear oh dear, > So sad. But never make a quiz for a forecast on death as it is an > area people or any astrologer would avoid probing into. > Tragic. > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 "i looked up for me/mo/sa antardasa in a book where it said that death like situation would come..." in my opinion this is a V GENERAL statement we find in every classics and should be avoided :-) Moon is somehow a significator for life n longevity and SAT is somehow a killer, this bases on this theory i guess... well there may be somewhat else somewhere else... :-o A find it a bit hard to believe that YK sat did this. A good example that a planet in general never forgets it own nature... Thanks, Tanvir. , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Tanvir, > > When i was trying to look into the horoscope .. i > looked up for me/mo/sa antardasa in a book where it > said that death like situation would come onto the > person if saturn was in a bad house, with sade sati or > astama sani so on ... > > Do you suppose saturn being the lord of 4th and 5th > has something to do with the way the death happened as > well? > > Also, should we try to look into the antardasa within > the saturn dasa for additional clues? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Tanvir, Do any of the other things that we have said in this forum hold good as well for the rest of the sat PD? --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana wrote: > Oh dear !~ > > a post mortem can not be a prediction, or a > forecast, since it is a > past event! My intention was to show people that it > is hardly likely > to happen, though it DID ! > > It was indeed sad. She was close to me a lot and > shared some > toughness of me I was going through in the V > DIFFICULT SAT PD ! > > Thanks, > Tanvir. > > , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Oh dear oh dear, > > So sad. But never make a quiz for a forecast on > death as it is an > > area people or any astrologer would avoid probing > into. > > Tragic. > > Inder > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Hmm I agree one of the reasons I chose to ignore that statement as well Would it be any use to see actualy sub dasa operating in that day? --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana wrote: > "i looked up for me/mo/sa antardasa in a book where > it said that > death like situation would come..." > > in my opinion this is a V GENERAL statement we find > in every classics > and should be avoided :-) Moon is somehow a > significator for life n > longevity and SAT is somehow a killer, this bases on > this theory i > guess... well there may be somewhat else somewhere > else... :-o > > A find it a bit hard to believe that YK sat did > this. A good example > that a planet in general never forgets it own > nature... > > Thanks, > Tanvir. > > > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Tanvir, > > > > When i was trying to look into the horoscope .. i > > looked up for me/mo/sa antardasa in a book where > it > > said that death like situation would come onto the > > person if saturn was in a bad house, with sade > sati or > > astama sani so on ... > > > > Do you suppose saturn being the lord of 4th and > 5th > > has something to do with the way the death > happened as > > well? > > > > Also, should we try to look into the antardasa > within > > the saturn dasa for additional clues? > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 some observations from point of view of transits: This lady has Mars in 8th house (accidents), aspecting 8th lord Venus (death) as well as 3rd house of road travel, giving the pattern in birthchart of possibility of death by road accident. Now if we observe Mars on 27 january 2003, we see transit Mars is exactly opposite Natal Mars, so aspecting 8th house and natal Mars, and thus activating the event. natal Mars 12.06 Taurus transit Mars 12.36 Scorpio transit Rahu 13.02 Taurus transit Ketu 13.02 Scorpio natal Venus, 8th lord and Lagna lord is at 12.11 Leo transit Sun (karaka for body) 12.58 Capricorn Natal Lagna is 13.19 Libra I have seen this pattern come together more often, the confluence of indicators all sharing same degree at time of death (orb is 1°). - Tanvir Chowdhury Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:01 AM Re: Quiz-2 Answer Oh dear !~ a post mortem can not be a prediction, or a forecast, since it is a past event! My intention was to show people that it is hardly likely to happen, though it DID ! It was indeed sad. She was close to me a lot and shared some toughness of me I was going through in the V DIFFICULT SAT PD ! Thanks, Tanvir. , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Oh dear oh dear, > So sad. But never make a quiz for a forecast on death as it is an > area people or any astrologer would avoid probing into. > Tragic. > Inder ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Great ! TRs sometimes fascinates me a lot !!! I have seen that "EXACT DEGREE" in TRs has some great influences on our affairs! I have some experiences with that, have plans to write a different article on it, what would be actually an effort to show that the 12th house and lord rules some part of "living with / away from spouse or lover". Regards, Tanvir. , "Clara" <myst3949@h...> wrote: > some observations from point of view of transits: > > This lady has Mars in 8th house (accidents), aspecting 8th lord Venus (death) as well as 3rd house of road travel, giving the pattern in birthchart of possibility of death by road accident. > > Now if we observe Mars on 27 january 2003, we see transit Mars is exactly opposite Natal Mars, so aspecting 8th house and natal Mars, and thus activating the event. > > natal Mars 12.06 Taurus > transit Mars 12.36 Scorpio > transit Rahu 13.02 Taurus > transit Ketu 13.02 Scorpio > > natal Venus, 8th lord and Lagna lord is at 12.11 Leo > > transit Sun (karaka for body) 12.58 Capricorn > > Natal Lagna is 13.19 Libra > > I have seen this pattern come together more often, the confluence of indicators all sharing same degree at time of death (orb is 1 ). > > > > > - > Tanvir Chowdhury > > Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:01 AM > Re: Quiz-2 Answer > > > Oh dear !~ > > a post mortem can not be a prediction, or a forecast, since it is a > past event! My intention was to show people that it is hardly likely > to happen, though it DID ! > > It was indeed sad. She was close to me a lot and shared some > toughness of me I was going through in the V DIFFICULT SAT PD ! > > Thanks, > Tanvir. > > , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Oh dear oh dear, > > So sad. But never make a quiz for a forecast on death as it is an > > area people or any astrologer would avoid probing into. > > Tragic. > > Inder > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > -- ---------- > Links > > > / > > b.. > > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 You mean more than 3rd level? Rarely the birth time is accurate to do that! Regards, Tanvir. , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Hmm I agree one of the reasons I chose to ignore that > statement as well > > Would it be any use to see actualy sub dasa operating > in that day? > > --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana@l...> > wrote: > > "i looked up for me/mo/sa antardasa in a book where > > it said that > > death like situation would come..." > > > > in my opinion this is a V GENERAL statement we find > > in every classics > > and should be avoided :-) Moon is somehow a > > significator for life n > > longevity and SAT is somehow a killer, this bases on > > this theory i > > guess... well there may be somewhat else somewhere > > else... :-o > > > > A find it a bit hard to believe that YK sat did > > this. A good example > > that a planet in general never forgets it own > > nature... > > > > Thanks, > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > , surya > > vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Tanvir, > > > > > > When i was trying to look into the horoscope .. i > > > looked up for me/mo/sa antardasa in a book where > > it > > > said that death like situation would come onto the > > > person if saturn was in a bad house, with sade > > sati or > > > astama sani so on ... > > > > > > Do you suppose saturn being the lord of 4th and > > 5th > > > has something to do with the way the death > > happened as > > > well? > > > > > > Also, should we try to look into the antardasa > > within > > > the saturn dasa for additional clues? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Confused about what you mean ! LOL !!! Tanvir. , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Tanvir, > > Do any of the other things that we have said in this > forum hold good as well for the rest of the sat PD? > > --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana@l...> > wrote: > > Oh dear !~ > > > > a post mortem can not be a prediction, or a > > forecast, since it is a > > past event! My intention was to show people that it > > is hardly likely > > to happen, though it DID ! > > > > It was indeed sad. She was close to me a lot and > > shared some > > toughness of me I was going through in the V > > DIFFICULT SAT PD ! > > > > Thanks, > > Tanvir. > > > > , "Inder" > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > Oh dear oh dear, > > > So sad. But never make a quiz for a forecast on > > death as it is an > > > area people or any astrologer would avoid probing > > into. > > > Tragic. > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Oops sorry !! I mean it's right that we couldnt get to know about the death .. but is it possible that we got some of the other events right? since u know the person personally .. do u know if any of the other events that have been predicted happened in the period from which the me/mo/sa period started? ... --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana wrote: > Confused about what you mean ! LOL !!! > > Tanvir. > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Tanvir, > > > > Do any of the other things that we have said in > this > > forum hold good as well for the rest of the sat > PD? > > > > --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana@l...> > > wrote: > > > Oh dear !~ > > > > > > a post mortem can not be a prediction, or a > > > forecast, since it is a > > > past event! My intention was to show people that > it > > > is hardly likely > > > to happen, though it DID ! > > > > > > It was indeed sad. She was close to me a lot and > > > shared some > > > toughness of me I was going through in the V > > > DIFFICULT SAT PD ! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Oh dear oh dear, > > > > So sad. But never make a quiz for a forecast > on > > > death as it is an > > > > area people or any astrologer would avoid > probing > > > into. > > > > Tragic. > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > > http://messenger./ > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Tanvir, Thanks for the answer. So post-mortem from me (I had predicted political office!): Bu is the dasha of L12 in 12th from the 12th, so liberation from the body. Also, kanya is mulatrikone for Bu, so 12th house influence is stronger than 9th. Sk is in there - karaka for vehicles and combust in the house of great desires. Sk is L8 and 8th is afflicted by, Ma,Ke. Ch is in 6th(accidents), and aspecting 12th. Sa, L4 aspects 4th(vehicles), 7th partnerships, 12th, loss - joins them all together. Any more on the cause of the accident, mental state of the native or who else was killed? Think of Princess Diana, there can be a whole story around the circumstances...anything about the father, greed, great desire, etc as the chart all goes back to a single dispositor Sy L11 in 11th. three in the 6th from Ch, and Bu maraka 7th lord from Ch lagna. regards, wg , "Tanvir Chowdhury" <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > Dear all, > > Here is the result of Quiz-2. The correct answer is, DEATH. The > native died on a road accidant on the day mentioned. This is really > unexpected and even a bit difficult to believe. When after her death > I saw the chart to find out the reason, I thought that the birth data > is surely wrong. But later, for the second time I saw the chart, it > was recently, and then I understand it all. Here I am posting my > observation or analysis for the event, may be some of you can find > more reasons or better analysis :-) > > The event was in Me-Mo-Sa. Mercury is the 12th lord so he is a bit > negative about life and vitality. It is in the 11th house with 8th > lord Venus, 8th lord means accidents and also death. But what I > wonder, that Venus is also the Lagna Lord. So he should protect. > Anyway at last I end up guessing that 12th lord joins Retro Asc lord > [which is the 8th lord too] that ends up being a bit negative for > vitality and life. > > The AD lord is Moon. Most of the time for any major or semi-major > event, most importance is put up on AD lord, that is logical and > correct. Here the AD lord is Moon, the 10th lord. It does not say > anything. Moon is in 6th house, it is a bit troublesome, 6th house is > mishaps and problems but not surely accident or direct death. But > what I find here important, is that, Moon is in the star of Jupiter. > Jupiter rules 3rd house and 6th house, 3rd house = vitality and life, > we all know. And this Jupiter is totally powerless for being on the > 01 degree on the sign and also it is directionally weak in 7th. I > have always seen that people do not give much importance on > directional strength but in my personal experience directionally weak > means being fallen and directionally strong means exaltation! I have > seen it so many times. Also being in the last two or first two > degrees on any rashi makes the planet very weak. And this combined > weakening facts make the Jupiter very very weak, so Jupiter being the > 3rd lord can not provide vitality anymore. So death like situation is > indicated, I would at least predict 'On bed' condition at least for > being afflcited by at least a disease! And Moon being is the star of > Jupiter, gives the result as per Jupiter's intention. It also should > be noted that Moon is in star of Jupiter but it also is in the sign > of Jupiter, so jupiter controls it all. Also Moon being in the 6th > house, make the matter worse. I would at least predict a strong > disease in this condition. Well sign dispositor is a source of > strength to many authors, and some say that if the sign dispositor of > a planet is weak, the planet suffers to some degree. I really never > have taken this theory but it seems that there might be some truth in > it. > > The PD was of Saturn and that is not clear to me. But well Saturn is > in the sign of Moon and rules death and accidents. He is the yoga > karaka here though! But Saturn rules conveyance here, being the 4th > lord, the death was in road accident. The lady was going her village > for her own marriage ceremony just 2 days left, they married 3/4 > years ago but the ceremony was delayed. > > On the day TR Sat was in 8H from Asc joining TR Rahu. Sat and Rahu in > 8H = accidents for sure. Jupiter was in 10H. Both Jupiter and Saturn > was Retro. Moon was fallen in Scorpio, where the natal Rahu was. It > also is the 12th to the 3rd, house of Jupiter. > > Best wishes, > Tanvir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Killed by her own mother in law or husband? N karthik --- gilmourw2002 <gilmourw2002 wrote: > Tanvir, > > Thanks for the answer. > > So post-mortem from me (I had predicted political > office!): > > Bu is the dasha of L12 in 12th from the 12th, so > liberation from the > body. Also, kanya is mulatrikone for Bu, so 12th > house influence is > stronger than 9th. Sk is in there - karaka for > vehicles and combust > in the house of great desires. Sk is L8 and 8th is > afflicted by, > Ma,Ke. Ch is in 6th(accidents), and aspecting 12th. > Sa, L4 aspects > 4th(vehicles), 7th partnerships, 12th, loss - joins > them all > together. Any more on the cause of the accident, > mental state of the > native or who else was killed? Think of Princess > Diana, there can be > a whole story around the circumstances...anything > about the father, > greed, great desire, etc as the chart all goes back > to a single > dispositor Sy L11 in 11th. > > three in the 6th from Ch, and Bu maraka 7th lord > from Ch lagna. > > regards, > > wg > , "Tanvir > Chowdhury" > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Here is the result of Quiz-2. The correct answer > is, DEATH. The > > native died on a road accidant on the day > mentioned. This is > really > > unexpected and even a bit difficult to believe. > When after her > death > > I saw the chart to find out the reason, I thought > that the birth > data > > is surely wrong. But later, for the second time I > saw the chart, > it > > was recently, and then I understand it all. Here I > am posting my > > observation or analysis for the event, may be some > of you can find > > more reasons or better analysis :-) > > > > The event was in Me-Mo-Sa. Mercury is the 12th > lord so he is a bit > > negative about life and vitality. It is in the > 11th house with 8th > > lord Venus, 8th lord means accidents and also > death. But what I > > wonder, that Venus is also the Lagna Lord. So he > should protect. > > Anyway at last I end up guessing that 12th lord > joins Retro Asc > lord > > [which is the 8th lord too] that ends up being a > bit negative for > > vitality and life. > > > > The AD lord is Moon. Most of the time for any > major or semi-major > > event, most importance is put up on AD lord, that > is logical and > > correct. Here the AD lord is Moon, the 10th lord. > It does not say > > anything. Moon is in 6th house, it is a bit > troublesome, 6th house > is > > mishaps and problems but not surely accident or > direct death. But > > what I find here important, is that, Moon is in > the star of > Jupiter. > > Jupiter rules 3rd house and 6th house, 3rd house = > vitality and > life, > > we all know. And this Jupiter is totally powerless > for being on > the > > 01 degree on the sign and also it is directionally > weak in 7th. I > > have always seen that people do not give much > importance on > > directional strength but in my personal experience > directionally > weak > > means being fallen and directionally strong means > exaltation! I > have > > seen it so many times. Also being in the last two > or first two > > degrees on any rashi makes the planet very weak. > And this combined > > weakening facts make the Jupiter very very weak, > so Jupiter being > the > > 3rd lord can not provide vitality anymore. So > death like situation > is > > indicated, I would at least predict 'On bed' > condition at least > for > > being afflcited by at least a disease! And Moon > being is the star > of > > Jupiter, gives the result as per Jupiter's > intention. It also > should > > be noted that Moon is in star of Jupiter but it > also is in the > sign > > of Jupiter, so jupiter controls it all. Also Moon > being in the 6th > > house, make the matter worse. I would at least > predict a strong > > disease in this condition. Well sign dispositor is > a source of > > strength to many authors, and some say that if the > sign dispositor > of > > a planet is weak, the planet suffers to some > degree. I really > never > > have taken this theory but it seems that there > might be some truth > in > > it. > > > > The PD was of Saturn and that is not clear to me. > But well Saturn > is > > in the sign of Moon and rules death and accidents. > He is the yoga > > karaka here though! But Saturn rules conveyance > here, being the > 4th > > lord, the death was in road accident. The lady was > going her > village > > for her own marriage ceremony just 2 days left, > they married 3/4 > > years ago but the ceremony was delayed. > > > > On the day TR Sat was in 8H from Asc joining TR > Rahu. Sat and Rahu > in > > 8H = accidents for sure. Jupiter was in 10H. Both > Jupiter and > Saturn > > was Retro. Moon was fallen in Scorpio, where the > natal Rahu was. > It > > also is the 12th to the 3rd, house of Jupiter. > > > > Best wishes, > > Tanvir. > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Don't think so, most of answers related to career etc., she had no jobs, was trying to get one for long though... Regards Tanvir. , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Oops sorry !! > > I mean it's right that we couldnt get to know about > the death .. but is it possible that we got some of > the other events right? > since u know the person personally .. do u know if any > of the other events that have been predicted happened > in the period from which the me/mo/sa period started? > .. > > --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana@l...> > wrote: > > Confused about what you mean ! LOL !!! > > > > Tanvir. > > > > , surya > > vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Tanvir, > > > > > > Do any of the other things that we have said in > > this > > > forum hold good as well for the rest of the sat > > PD? > > > > > > --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana@l...> > > > wrote: > > > > Oh dear !~ > > > > > > > > a post mortem can not be a prediction, or a > > > > forecast, since it is a > > > > past event! My intention was to show people that > > it > > > > is hardly likely > > > > to happen, though it DID ! > > > > > > > > It was indeed sad. She was close to me a lot and > > > > shared some > > > > toughness of me I was going through in the V > > > > DIFFICULT SAT PD ! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > Oh dear oh dear, > > > > > So sad. But never make a quiz for a forecast > > on > > > > death as it is an > > > > > area people or any astrologer would avoid > > probing > > > > into. > > > > > Tragic. > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > > > http://messenger./ > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Good analysis. Well, her only and elder sister was also travelling with her and she was not much innjured or something. Out of some 50-56 passengers in the bus, 3 perople dies, one being her. Her husband was so shocked and like a mad man, a few months later her parents [the chart owners parents] suggested that he could marry her elder sis, he refused. but after 2/3 months he agreed, and I guess they did it within now. Alas! the chart owner always complained to people sweetly that her husband can not be romantic in such activities like he is almost always away on special days like marriage anniverseries and stuff, and it always seemed to me that what he feeled for her was not much deep. Regards Tanvir , "gilmourw2002" <gilmourw2002> wrote: > Tanvir, > > Thanks for the answer. > > So post-mortem from me (I had predicted political office!): > > Bu is the dasha of L12 in 12th from the 12th, so liberation from the > body. Also, kanya is mulatrikone for Bu, so 12th house influence is > stronger than 9th. Sk is in there - karaka for vehicles and combust > in the house of great desires. Sk is L8 and 8th is afflicted by, > Ma,Ke. Ch is in 6th(accidents), and aspecting 12th. Sa, L4 aspects > 4th(vehicles), 7th partnerships, 12th, loss - joins them all > together. Any more on the cause of the accident, mental state of the > native or who else was killed? Think of Princess Diana, there can be > a whole story around the circumstances...anything about the father, > greed, great desire, etc as the chart all goes back to a single > dispositor Sy L11 in 11th. > > three in the 6th from Ch, and Bu maraka 7th lord from Ch lagna. > > regards, > > wg > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Here is the result of Quiz-2. The correct answer is, DEATH. The > > native died on a road accidant on the day mentioned. This is > really > > unexpected and even a bit difficult to believe. When after her > death > > I saw the chart to find out the reason, I thought that the birth > data > > is surely wrong. But later, for the second time I saw the chart, > it > > was recently, and then I understand it all. Here I am posting my > > observation or analysis for the event, may be some of you can find > > more reasons or better analysis :-) > > > > The event was in Me-Mo-Sa. Mercury is the 12th lord so he is a bit > > negative about life and vitality. It is in the 11th house with 8th > > lord Venus, 8th lord means accidents and also death. But what I > > wonder, that Venus is also the Lagna Lord. So he should protect. > > Anyway at last I end up guessing that 12th lord joins Retro Asc > lord > > [which is the 8th lord too] that ends up being a bit negative for > > vitality and life. > > > > The AD lord is Moon. Most of the time for any major or semi-major > > event, most importance is put up on AD lord, that is logical and > > correct. Here the AD lord is Moon, the 10th lord. It does not say > > anything. Moon is in 6th house, it is a bit troublesome, 6th house > is > > mishaps and problems but not surely accident or direct death. But > > what I find here important, is that, Moon is in the star of > Jupiter. > > Jupiter rules 3rd house and 6th house, 3rd house = vitality and > life, > > we all know. And this Jupiter is totally powerless for being on > the > > 01 degree on the sign and also it is directionally weak in 7th. I > > have always seen that people do not give much importance on > > directional strength but in my personal experience directionally > weak > > means being fallen and directionally strong means exaltation! I > have > > seen it so many times. Also being in the last two or first two > > degrees on any rashi makes the planet very weak. And this combined > > weakening facts make the Jupiter very very weak, so Jupiter being > the > > 3rd lord can not provide vitality anymore. So death like situation > is > > indicated, I would at least predict 'On bed' condition at least > for > > being afflcited by at least a disease! And Moon being is the star > of > > Jupiter, gives the result as per Jupiter's intention. It also > should > > be noted that Moon is in star of Jupiter but it also is in the > sign > > of Jupiter, so jupiter controls it all. Also Moon being in the 6th > > house, make the matter worse. I would at least predict a strong > > disease in this condition. Well sign dispositor is a source of > > strength to many authors, and some say that if the sign dispositor > of > > a planet is weak, the planet suffers to some degree. I really > never > > have taken this theory but it seems that there might be some truth > in > > it. > > > > The PD was of Saturn and that is not clear to me. But well Saturn > is > > in the sign of Moon and rules death and accidents. He is the yoga > > karaka here though! But Saturn rules conveyance here, being the > 4th > > lord, the death was in road accident. The lady was going her > village > > for her own marriage ceremony just 2 days left, they married 3/4 > > years ago but the ceremony was delayed. > > > > On the day TR Sat was in 8H from Asc joining TR Rahu. Sat and Rahu > in > > 8H = accidents for sure. Jupiter was in 10H. Both Jupiter and > Saturn > > was Retro. Moon was fallen in Scorpio, where the natal Rahu was. > It > > also is the 12th to the 3rd, house of Jupiter. > > > > Best wishes, > > Tanvir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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