Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Perhaps the esteemed Jyotists here would comment whether the primary karaka for 10th house is Saturn as espounded by Mr RohinRajan. The primary karaka for 10th house is Saturn, while Jupiter, Sun and Mercury are other karakas. class of persons acting on such information or opinion or estimate. OCBC Securities Pte Ltd and its related and affiliated corporations together with their respective directors and officers may have or take positions in the securities mentioned in this report and may also perform or seek to perform broking and other investment or securities-related services for the corporations whose securities are mentioned in this report as well as other parties generally. Privileged/Confidential information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. "rohiniranjan" <rrgb a> cc: Re: CP QUIZ 3 (why are these 08/06/04 12:16 ..?) Please respond to jyotish_remedi es It is such a joy to work with bright and organized individuals! :-) Software is also a product that is in a sense intangible and almost like a 'thoughtform' a shadow, unreal. That is where the nodes come in! Rahu or ketu?? which one fits the bill better? , "guru_paadam" <guru_paadam> wrote: > Thanks for the special note on the time management, Initially I > thought this is important for everyone. But it wouldnt take much time > to realize that this time management has special take on this > particular industry, for this is the fastest and most dynamically > changing field. > > Let me just regroup and list the attributes: > 1. Tech Knowledge > 2. Logical, Analytical and Synthetical ability > 3. Time Management > 4. Sustanance (this is what >90% of SW engineers do) and ability to > improve. > > > Now jumping to Jyothish: > - The primary karaka for knowledge is Mercury, while Jupiter is for > Wisdom. > - The ability/inteligence is shown by 5th house/5th Lord. > - Work/career is studied from 10th house/10th lord. > - The primary karaka for 10th house is Saturn, while Jupiter, Sun and > Mercury are other karakas. > > Can we agree on these ?, next we will study chart 1, ok? > > -GP. > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Good start! > > I have also heard that Bill Gates and managerial types really get > > uptight about deadlines, so timeliness and time-management would be > > a desirable attribute! Although the sorry state of most new > software > > (particularly jyotish software -- ARGGHHH!) indicates that they are > > not good at time management. > > > > =Technical knowledge and ability above all > > =Working on a piece of a project but not necessarily as an > > interactive team (like health care providers in an emergency room > > where if one member slips, the patient could die!) > > =time management (to appease the business types that sign your > > paycheck (pay cheque!) > > =analytical and synthetic abilities. How bits and pieces work and > > how they connect within the Big software picture > > =be able to take someone else's failure and piece together from > that > > a new and improved product. Don't ask me for examples but this is > > something I had once seen to be claimed for one having a retrograde > > jupiter and I have seen it happen several times in my anecdotal > > experience. > > > > Wonderful, we are almost on the highway! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "guru_paadam" > > <guru_paadam> wrote: > > > Okie.. First lets decide what a programmer would do and figure > out > > > the corresponding 'elements' in Jyothish. > > > Among several things a SW engg: > > > - solve a given requirement > > > - design how a program should be written > > > - write the actual program > > > - test either his own or others program > > > > > > There are many posibilities, at a broad level, let me summarize > > that, > > > someone with good problem solving, logical and reasoning > abilities > > > can make a software engineer. > > > > > > Can we agree on this ? > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > <rrgb@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > How about focussing just on the first chart? And going deeper? > > > First > > > > we need to look at each piece one pebble at a time and then see > > if > > > > there is a pattern. > > > > > > > > By deeper I mean not just one varga! And connect attributes to > > the > > > > significators like Om did by first stating that rahu is an > > > indicator > > > > of computer programming. You may not find the concordance and > > > > symbolism in pithy texts but in that wonderful text-book of > > human > > > > experience and correlation! Without getting or subscribing to > > > > romantic concepts, think what a software programmer does, what > > are > > > > the tasks, what is his or her actual day like? And I don't mean > > the > > > > dream imagery described for the folks working for Microsoft. > > Maybe > > > a > > > > real software engineer amongst the many here would first want > to > > > > describe for us the typical day of a software > > programmer/engineer > > > > and then we can figure out which planet or planets really > > > represents > > > > the spectrum of experiences that a software engineer really > > faces! > > > > > > > > Stay with reality lest you stray from reality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "guru_paadam" > > > > <guru_paadam> wrote: > > > > > Dear RR, > > > > > > > > > > Here is my attempt: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++ > > > > > > sex: F > > > > > > epoch: 17:30 > > > > > > day: 14 > > > > > > month: 9 > > > > > > year: 1974 > > > > > > place: Vijayawada, Andhra Pradesh, India > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is Sc, with Rahu, in Jyeshtha, ruled by Mercury. > > > > > 10th lord Mars cojoins Mercury in Virgo. > > > > > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++ > > > > > > sex: female > > > > > > epoch: 03:15 > > > > > > day: 30 > > > > > > month: 4 > > > > > > year: 1966 > > > > > > place: Palghat, Kerala State, India > > > > > > +++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > 10th house Sc, with Ketu in Visaaka, ruled by Jupiter. > > > > > Jupiter in Ge disposed by Mercury. > > > > > Jupiter in Ge and Mercury in Pi involve Parivarthana Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sex: Male > > > > > > epoch: 4:30 > > > > > > day: 27 > > > > > > month: 3 > > > > > > year: 1968 > > > > > > place: PURI,ORISSA,INDIA > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > 10th house again Sc, with none. > > > > > Then 10th lord, in Ar in Aswini disposed by Ketu, > > > > > Ketu disposed by Mercury in Virgo. > > > > > Saturn, karma karaka in Revati again disposed by Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sex: MALE > > > > > > epoch: 01:55 > > > > > > day: 11 > > > > > > month: 3 > > > > > > year: 1974 > > > > > > place: SAHARANPUR, UTTAR PRADESH, INDIA > > > > > > latdeg: 029 > > > > > > latmin: 58 > > > > > > ns: N > > > > > > longdeg: 077 > > > > > > longmin: 23 > > > > > > ew: E > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > I can't crack this one. 10th house is Virgo with Moon in > > Chitra, > > > > > disposed by Mars. > > > > > 10th Lord Mercury in Sata disposed by Mars. > > > > > Saturn in dhanishta again disposed by Mars. > > > > > > > > > > Another approach: > > > > > 10 House in Virgo with moon, disposed by Mercury. Mercury in > > Aq > > > > and > > > > > Saturn in Ge involve in parivarthana. > > > > > > > > > > I can't see a reasonable influence of Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sex: Female > > > > > > epoch: 14:30 > > > > > > day: 26 > > > > > > month: 5 > > > > > > year: 1966 > > > > > > place: Chandigrah,Punjab,India > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > 10th house Ge, with Jupiter in Ardra, disposed by Rahu. > > > > > Rahu cojoins Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could be totally wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > GP. ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Sponsor / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 That was Guru Padam who wrote that Ajith, not me. Please scroll down and check from your own message in which you are asking this question! , ajith@o... wrote: > > > Perhaps the esteemed Jyotists here would comment whether the primary karaka > for 10th house is Saturn as espounded by Mr RohinRajan. > > > > The primary karaka for 10th house is Saturn, while Jupiter, Sun > and Mercury are other karakas. > > class of persons acting on such information or opinion or estimate. OCBC > Securities Pte Ltd and its related and affiliated corporations together > with their respective directors and officers may have or take positions in > the securities mentioned in this report and may also perform or seek to > perform broking and other investment or securities-related services for the > corporations whose securities are mentioned in this report as well as other > parties generally. > > Privileged/Confidential information may be contained in this message. If > you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for > delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this > message to anyone. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this > message that do not relate to the official business of my company shall be > understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. > > > > "rohiniranjan" > <rrgb@s... To: > a> cc: > Re: CP QUIZ 3 (why are these > 08/06/04 12:16 ..?) > Please respond > to > jyotish_remedi > es > > > > > > > It is such a joy to work with bright and organized individuals! :-) > Software is also a product that is in a sense intangible and almost > like a 'thoughtform' a shadow, unreal. That is where the nodes come > in! Rahu or ketu?? which one fits the bill better? > > > > , "guru_paadam" > <guru_paadam> wrote: > > Thanks for the special note on the time management, Initially I > > thought this is important for everyone. But it wouldnt take much > time > > to realize that this time management has special take on this > > particular industry, for this is the fastest and most dynamically > > changing field. > > > > Let me just regroup and list the attributes: > > 1. Tech Knowledge > > 2. Logical, Analytical and Synthetical ability > > 3. Time Management > > 4. Sustanance (this is what >90% of SW engineers do) and ability > to > > improve. > > > > > > Now jumping to Jyothish: > > - The primary karaka for knowledge is Mercury, while Jupiter is > for > > Wisdom. > > - The ability/inteligence is shown by 5th house/5th Lord. > > - Work/career is studied from 10th house/10th lord. > > - The primary karaka for 10th house is Saturn, while Jupiter, Sun > and > > Mercury are other karakas. > > > > Can we agree on these ?, next we will study chart 1, ok? > > > > -GP. > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > Good start! > > > I have also heard that Bill Gates and managerial types really > get > > > uptight about deadlines, so timeliness and time-management would > be > > > a desirable attribute! Although the sorry state of most new > > software > > > (particularly jyotish software -- ARGGHHH!) indicates that they > are > > > not good at time management. > > > > > > =Technical knowledge and ability above all > > > =Working on a piece of a project but not necessarily as an > > > interactive team (like health care providers in an emergency > room > > > where if one member slips, the patient could die!) > > > =time management (to appease the business types that sign your > > > paycheck (pay cheque!) > > > =analytical and synthetic abilities. How bits and pieces work > and > > > how they connect within the Big software picture > > > =be able to take someone else's failure and piece together from > > that > > > a new and improved product. Don't ask me for examples but this > is > > > something I had once seen to be claimed for one having a > retrograde > > > jupiter and I have seen it happen several times in my anecdotal > > > experience. > > > > > > Wonderful, we are almost on the highway! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "guru_paadam" > > > <guru_paadam> wrote: > > > > Okie.. First lets decide what a programmer would do and figure > > out > > > > the corresponding 'elements' in Jyothish. > > > > Among several things a SW engg: > > > > - solve a given requirement > > > > - design how a program should be written > > > > - write the actual program > > > > - test either his own or others program > > > > > > > > There are many posibilities, at a broad level, let me > summarize > > > that, > > > > someone with good problem solving, logical and reasoning > > abilities > > > > can make a software engineer. > > > > > > > > Can we agree on this ? > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > How about focussing just on the first chart? And going > deeper? > > > > First > > > > > we need to look at each piece one pebble at a time and then > see > > > if > > > > > there is a pattern. > > > > > > > > > > By deeper I mean not just one varga! And connect attributes > to > > > the > > > > > significators like Om did by first stating that rahu is an > > > > indicator > > > > > of computer programming. You may not find the concordance > and > > > > > symbolism in pithy texts but in that wonderful text-book of > > > human > > > > > experience and correlation! Without getting or subscribing > to > > > > > romantic concepts, think what a software programmer does, > what > > > are > > > > > the tasks, what is his or her actual day like? And I don't > mean > > > the > > > > > dream imagery described for the folks working for Microsoft. > > > Maybe > > > > a > > > > > real software engineer amongst the many here would first > want > > to > > > > > describe for us the typical day of a software > > > programmer/engineer > > > > > and then we can figure out which planet or planets really > > > > represents > > > > > the spectrum of experiences that a software engineer really > > > faces! > > > > > > > > > > Stay with reality lest you stray from reality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "guru_paadam" > > > > > <guru_paadam> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my attempt: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > sex: F > > > > > > > epoch: 17:30 > > > > > > > day: 14 > > > > > > > month: 9 > > > > > > > year: 1974 > > > > > > > place: Vijayawada, Andhra Pradesh, India > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is Sc, with Rahu, in Jyeshtha, ruled by Mercury. > > > > > > 10th lord Mars cojoins Mercury in Virgo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > sex: female > > > > > > > epoch: 03:15 > > > > > > > day: 30 > > > > > > > month: 4 > > > > > > > year: 1966 > > > > > > > place: Palghat, Kerala State, India > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house Sc, with Ketu in Visaaka, ruled by Jupiter. > > > > > > Jupiter in Ge disposed by Mercury. > > > > > > Jupiter in Ge and Mercury in Pi involve Parivarthana Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sex: Male > > > > > > > epoch: 4:30 > > > > > > > day: 27 > > > > > > > month: 3 > > > > > > > year: 1968 > > > > > > > place: PURI,ORISSA,INDIA > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house again Sc, with none. > > > > > > Then 10th lord, in Ar in Aswini disposed by Ketu, > > > > > > Ketu disposed by Mercury in Virgo. > > > > > > Saturn, karma karaka in Revati again disposed by Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sex: MALE > > > > > > > epoch: 01:55 > > > > > > > day: 11 > > > > > > > month: 3 > > > > > > > year: 1974 > > > > > > > place: SAHARANPUR, UTTAR PRADESH, INDIA > > > > > > > latdeg: 029 > > > > > > > latmin: 58 > > > > > > > ns: N > > > > > > > longdeg: 077 > > > > > > > longmin: 23 > > > > > > > ew: E > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't crack this one. 10th house is Virgo with Moon in > > > Chitra, > > > > > > disposed by Mars. > > > > > > 10th Lord Mercury in Sata disposed by Mars. > > > > > > Saturn in dhanishta again disposed by Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another approach: > > > > > > 10 House in Virgo with moon, disposed by Mercury. Mercury > in > > > Aq > > > > > and > > > > > > Saturn in Ge involve in parivarthana. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't see a reasonable influence of Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sex: Female > > > > > > > epoch: 14:30 > > > > > > > day: 26 > > > > > > > month: 5 > > > > > > > year: 1966 > > > > > > > place: Chandigrah,Punjab,India > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house Ge, with Jupiter in Ardra, disposed by Rahu. > > > > > > Rahu cojoins Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could be totally wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > GP. > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Links > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 apolagies for the misunderstanding K. Ajith _ This report is solely for information and general circulation only and may not be published, circulated, reproduced or distributed in whole or in part to any other person without our written consent. This report should not be construed as an offer or solicitation for the subscription, purchase or sale of the securities mentioned herein. Whilst we have taken all reasonable care to ensure that the information contained in this publication is not untrue or misleading at the time of publication, we cannot guarantee its accuracy or completeness, and you should not act on it without first independently verifying its contents. Any opinion or estimate contained in this report is subject to change without notice. We have not given any consideration to and we have not made any investigation of the investment objectives, financial situation or particular needs of the recipient or any class of persons, and accordingly, no warranty whatsoever is given and no liability whatsoever is accepted for any loss arising whether directly or indirectly as a result of the recipient or any class of persons acting on such information or opinion or estimate. OCBC Securities Pte Ltd and its related and affiliated corporations together with their respective directors and officers may have or take positions in the securities mentioned in this report and may also perform or seek to perform broking and other investment or securities-related services for the corporations whose securities are mentioned in this report as well as other parties generally. Privileged/Confidential information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 No problem. When it comes to karakas, the very fact that three different karakattwas have been given (naisafgika, chara and sthira) tells me that there is to be expected some overlap. For instance a given planet may wear four different hats, as chara, sthira, naisargika and as lord of one or two houses in a chart. How can it have a definitive one house kind of association, the question came to me early on. Also, there are many who separate Jaimini system from parashara system (though parashara gave both principles in his book!). It seems very weird to me that the same planet would -- for instance -- only use its rashi aspects when we utilize it as a jaimini indicator but then it forgets about its rashi aspects when we look at vimshottari dasha! That does not make sense to me so I question that. When we are studying vimshottari dasha, I see no harm in taking into account the jaimini attributes that the planet has as well. I am building up some examples to illustrate this through an article in future. We shall see what God's marzi is in this matter. , ajith@o... wrote: > > > apolagies for the misunderstanding > > K. Ajith > > _ > This report is solely for information and general circulation only and may > not be published, circulated, reproduced or distributed in whole or in part > to any other person without our written consent. This report should not be > construed as an offer or solicitation for the subscription, purchase or > sale of the securities mentioned herein. Whilst we have taken all > reasonable care to ensure that the information contained in this > publication is not untrue or misleading at the time of publication, we > cannot guarantee its accuracy or completeness, and you should not act on it > without first independently verifying its contents. Any opinion or estimate > contained in this report is subject to change without notice. We have not > given any consideration to and we have not made any investigation of the > investment objectives, financial situation or particular needs of the > recipient or any class of persons, and accordingly, no warranty whatsoever > is given and no liability whatsoever is accepted for any loss arising > whether directly or indirectly as a result of the recipient or any class of > persons acting on such information or opinion or estimate. OCBC Securities > Pte Ltd and its related and affiliated corporations together with their > respective directors and officers may have or take positions in the > securities mentioned in this report and may also perform or seek to perform > broking and other investment or securities-related services for the > corporations whose securities are mentioned in this report as well as other > parties generally. > > Privileged/Confidential information may be contained in this message. If > you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for > delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this > message to anyone. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this > message that do not relate to the official business of my company shall be > understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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