DEBILITATED SATURN IN 6, 8 or 12th -A WINDFALL ??? To Dear Jean Clement

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Dear Jean,

 

Thanks.

 

Yes I was expecting a much straight forward reply from you. But your reply was

really an eye opener and very spiritual also. The way you explained Guru and

Shani is beautiful and gives us some chance to have free will.

 

Still I hope that someday you will provide me with straight forward reading of

my chart.

 

Best Regards

Sanjay

 

Jean CLEMENT <tashrif wrote:

 

Dear Sanjay,

 

> Thanks for helping me through a very introspective reading. As rightly

> indicated by you I am very much inclined towards spirituality.

 

It will come maybe as a surprise but we are all inclined to spirituality )

The Human family is nothing but children of all pervading, all bliss and

Absolute Godly Father. We are all claiming our natural Divine heritage in

this life on Mother Earth... The "little problem" is due to the Nature of

Chandas and its tremendous binding influence. And funnily enough this

spirituality is expressing through our desires to want more and more of

Life... more energy, more joy, more success, more intelligence, more money

etc... The solution is not to desire less but to not be bound by the result

of these desires )

 

> Whenever alone, I stand infront of mirror, a question pops up in my mind: who

> is the person in the mirror. On one side I have these spiritual thoughts but

> on the other I get too much of sexual thoughts also. What could be the reason

> for this??

 

Sexual desire is not bad! Here again the binding influence is tremendous and

has tendency to "enslave" us deeply. The experience of sexuality is what is

the closest to Turiya Chetana (transcendental consciousness) on the field of

matter, this mean that it is the Most Charming experience.

 

As human we have cultivated this urge for thousand and thousand of years as

the natural acte of humanity to expend and enjoy... The "maya" aspect of

creation is born from Parvati's "RAPTURE" from Her "Sexual" Union with

Shiva... Rapture means losing contact with Herself... and this is the

experience we have to regain, deeper and deeper contact with ourSelf.

"IDEALLY" Brahmacharia doesn't mean "no sex" but full SELFsufficency...

established in the Self.

 

Your Self or Surya is still wandering whether you choose hidden idealistic

sides or Self-centered motivations. Your 12th Lord is the Lord of Freedom

from worldly binding... This freedom can come from constructive (spiritual)

or destructive ways... This is the Lord of Loss that can come either through

transcendence or from excess. To help you in this choice, Mangal, as the

Lord of 3 and 8, is your "Sword" awaiting for the Transmutation of the

nature of desire or motivation.

 

> On the question of immortality. I am in total double mind. Sometimes I feel

> our bodies are like any other machine and due to some malfunction (like in any

> other machine) we die. Other thought is of continuation of journey of Atma by

> death & rebirth. As destruction is of this mortal body.

 

Human body is a BEAUTIFUL "machine"... a divine machine. As the christian

say "Man is made at the image of God". The Human Nervous System is the only

one that has the ability to fully reflect Pure Consciousness in the Grossest

field of life... This is spirituality... Pure Consciousness is Brahm,

Relative field of life is Brahm, this is fullness of Life, 100% of Absolute

and 100% of Relative. Not that the body should be thrown away after use.

This body of yours is an altar where the Divine should Reign Fully... Even

spiritual creatures like angels will have to get one sometimes ) This is

the most precious gift you can get.

 

Then when the Divine will be fully reflected in Humanity as a Whole, this

Body will be the field of all possibilities and the Divine Transformation

will make this body... whatknows... )

 

> You said neech bhanga in my case brings prosperity. I had a positive Ju/Sa

> mahadasa in materialistic terms. Then should I expect a very good Saturn

> mahadasha also?

> Do you also see a vipreet raja yoga due to placement of 6th lord Saturn in 8th

> house? What this signifies?

 

Let say that I am completly stupid (heu... just for this exemple ) and I

ask to an archer to send his arrow as far as possible towards a specific

tree. But unstead of pushing the arrow, the archer is pulling it back in the

complete opposite direction so I tell him "No! not that way!, this way,

toward the tree!"... I told you I was stupid...

 

Life is made out of cycles... one time for this, one time for that...

everything taking place at the right time. Aspects of Guru or aspects of

Shani should not be considered as something foreing to ourselves, they ARE

ourselves. Our own tendencies, our own qualities, our own life is made out

of the wholeness of the nine Grahas.

 

We all have this aspect (Guru) to expand our consciousness, our mind, our

"cercle" of influence, our mastery over things, our fame, our experience of

abundance, wealth and money...

We also have these aspects (Shani) of turning back to ourselves, being more

introspective, slowing down, being more concentrated on aspects of our Self

that are less egocentric, little more of an universal nature.

For you, Shani has, being the Lord of 5 (spiritual practices) and 6 (work

and service), some beautiful aspects of Karma Yoga.

 

The aspects of Shani seems contradictory, even sometimes completely

opposite, to those of Guru the same way that it seems contradictory for an

archer to pull his arrow back before sending his arrow in the opposite

direction. But in doing so, the archer is charging his arrow with huge

amount of virtual, potential energy... for the arrow to reach its goal with

maximum efficiency.

 

One step after the other... but both are vital for a perfect and fruitful

action. As the Lord said in the Gita:

 

First, "Nistrai-gunyo bhava Arjuna"

(Bhagavad-Gitaa, 2.45)

Be without the 3 gunas Arjuna

 

Second, "Yogastha kuru karmani"

(Bhagavad-Gitaa, 2.48)

Established in Yoga, perform actions

 

Shani requires every human being to Dive deep within, to experience Pure

Consciousness, soaking the mind with Infinite Intelligence and Infinite

Energy, blessing it with the support of all the Laws of Nature (Devatas).

 

Then Guru will requires the mind to plunge into fruitfull actions and bless

relative Life with harmonious thoughts, efficient and nourishing actions

free from the binding influence of Chandas and extremely blissful

fulfilment. Such is an action that is a blessing to Life, such is an action

that is a jewel for the world... Pure Consciousness on the move...

 

Deep Meditation and Action, deep meditation and action... this is the

Glorious routine of the Day, the Glorious routine of Life, the song of

Invincibility, the perfect "Immune System".

 

I am sure you were expecting a short and direct answer but I am quite

mischievous )

 

> But living in this world during kaliyuga one must succeed materially also.

> Today I am doing reasonably well. But I want to know from you, when will I get

> so much financial stability that I will be free to pursue spirituality and

> social work in totality.

 

It's not that you should be prosperous to engage in spiritual life and

social work... Only spiritual life will make you Prosperous...

 

Do not think that spiritual life has nothing to do with relative life...

Spirituality is both, harmoniously integrated. Spirituality is certainly not

only for recluse... Far from that!...I would say that spirituality is

completely in the hands of Householders as they are more in a position to

embrace Fullness of Life... or Krishna made a big mistake in giving complete

Knowledge of Moksha to Arjuna... Yes you know, I made a casting but Arjuna

was the only one available at that time... Nop, not a chance for mistake )

 

Best regards Sanjay

 

Jean

 

 

 

 

~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

 

 

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