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Dear Amita,

 

I am not the only one who misjudged your email. Anyway...I apologize

if I hurt you. I did not do it intentionally.

I replied just to put forward my views on parents.

 

Take care

 

Manoshi

 

 

 

, Amita Shukla

<shuklaamita> wrote:

> Dear Manoshi

>

> I do not understand you when you say "I am sorry , but I don't

support your view". Well thanks for converting my simple thought to

a complex view.

> I do not know what in my mail prompted you to write things like

> Do not judge your parents, you can never forgive them etc etc.

> Wow this was way out of line.

> No body is doubting or questioning parents here.

>

> I Reread the original mail on selfless service and luv and

thought to share what prompted me to write in response:

>

> 1.Well when some people were talking about GIVING selfless service

and selfless love somehow i also thought about the RECEIVER of

selfless service and selfless love.

>

> 2.Well when some people were talking about attaining the Ultimate

(peace,God,Moksha, nature etc what name one wants to give) i was

thinking as that person who had to let go of his/her dear

person 'coz that dear one had gone so high on the spiritual path

that there was no return.

>

>

> My mother is so deeply immersed in her spiritual life that she has

no expectations from any body and at same time she is all willing to

help any body who is in need.

> She is so much full of luv and peace that she does not

differentiate between me and any other human being.

> She only thinks and sees God.

>

> On the other hand it is little hard for me to accept her new

form.It is very hard for me to LET GO of her.But i am trying to do

that with the best of ability 'coz i know this will make her happy.

> At that particular time in my life i was very sick and

demoralized.And only thing i wanted in my life was my mother as my

mother.So some how i felt hurt.And i know it was wrong on my

part .But probably i am too low on the spiritual level.

>

> I really respect her and want to be like her one day.

>

> I think i have my point clear.

>

> Folks Thx for all your time.

> I am not judging any body here.I just had an experience and i

shared it.

> Please do not twist things.

>

> Thx

> Amita

>

>

>

>

> khallopapa <khallopapa> wrote:

> Dear Amita,

>

> I am sorry , but I dont support your view. I feel Parents are God.

I

> think we are no one to JUDGE them or can never have that much of

> capability to ever forgive them. If we doubt our parent's love,

it's

> the biggest sin. I dont think anyone would be ever born to love us

> as much as our parents do...whether selfless or not ...I dont care.

>

> Manoshi

>

>

>

>

> , Amita Shukla

> <shuklaamita> wrote:

> > -"I strongly beleive that 'Selfless Love' would lead

> > to 'Selfess Service', concluding in 'Nishkama Karma'"

> > -"first one has to

> > EXPERIENCE THE PAIN and then when you UNDERSTAND that PAIN ,

> > automatically flows that selfless LOVE when you serve"

> >

> > After reading the above lines i could not resist sharing my

> experience:

> >

> > Once i fell very ill and was on complete bed rest more than a

> month.I called my mother for help from India.

> >

> > My mother who is very religious and pious women came for my help

> all the way from india.

> >

> > She did so much for me which i can not repay it by any means.

> >

> > I really luv and respect her a lot.

> >

> > But once while both me and her were talking she told me

> >

> > "When i serve you i think i am serving god and see god in you"

> >

> > I know for sure she luvs me a lot but when she said the above

line

> i was so much hurt 'coz i felt i had called my mother for help

but

> in turn it was a social worker who is working selflessly.I felt as

> if i had lost my mother.

> >

> > Some how till now i can not forget her words.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thx

> >

> > Amita

> >

> >

> > khallopapa <khallopapa> wrote:

> > Dear RG,

> >

> > No, you are not the only one who has this 'technical' problem. I

> > have too, but more important is to try to develop that selfless

> > love. I, from my experience, can say that, first one has to

> > EXPERIENCE THE PAIN and then when you UNDERSTAND that PAIN ,

> > automatically flows that selfless LOVE when you serve. There is

a

> > big difference between sympathize and empathize. Put yourself in

> > that position if you have not experienced the pain...and then

you

> > realize how it hurts when one is doing a favour( out of pity) or

> so-

> > called serving you for some fulfilment of his/her desires.

> >

> > I hope I made sense.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Manoshi

> >

> >

> >

> > , Ravinder Grover

> > <astrology@c...> wrote:

> > > Dear Manoshi

> > >

> > > Its very nice of you to bring the issue of 'Selfless Love'.

> Many

> > thanks. I strongly beleive that 'Selfless Love' would lead

> > to 'Selfess Service', concluding in 'Nishkama Karma', the path

way

> > to Liberation.

> > >

> > > But I have a technical question & problem, probablly it only

> > applies to me and nobody else.

> > > 1.. How do I develop 'Selfless Love' ?

> > > 2.. I have tried serving selflessly, technical speaking, but

> at

> > later stage I realised that I was NOT serving or loving

> Selflessly.

> > I always had some elements of EGO and DESIRE behind it. May

be,

> I

> > was always desiting for the Fruit of the Action. What do I do

> now?

> > I know my problem but I have not been able to come out of this

for

> > ages.

> > > Can anybody help me?

> > >

> > > Love

> > >

> > > RG

> > > 1..

> > > 2.. -

> > > khallopapa

> > >

> > > Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:03 AM

> > > Experiece the Love

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > > In another group, this was told once ...Don't have that EGO

> that

> > we

> > > are helping others. we should not pity any one but serve

> > selflessly.

> > > This is so true. I was travelling today with a mentally and

> > > physically handicapped person. The first feeling was...pity.

I

> > felt

> > > ashamed of myself later. This brought up some thoughts.....

> > >

> > > To be genuine is very important. The LOVE has to be

> > experienced .

> > > If you dont experience that selfless love, you can never

> > understand

> > > what it is. Those who preach but dont practice may influence

> > people

> > > but they themselves remain in deep darkness.

> > > I remember when I had appeared for my Visharad exams, I was

> just

> > > sixteen and I was asked to sing ' Babul mora naihar chhooto

hi

> > > jaaye'. Technically I had sung it very correct but the

> examiner

> > told

> > > me "Sing it the way you would if you really have to leave

your

> > > parents and go far away. Feel it and then sing".

> > > To feel genuinely is very important to do anything in the

> right

> > > manner. One must have devotion and PURE feelings. So, love

> > whatever

> > > you do, be sincere and devoted and have faith in YOURSELF.

> Serve

> > > people like you are serving God(I learnt it in this

group)...

> > You

> > > will reach your goal.

> > >

> > > Manoshi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> > >

> > >

> > > Sponsor

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> > >

> > > b..

> > >

> > >

> > > c..

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> > of Service.

> >

> >

> >

> > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> >

> >

> > Sponsor

> >

> >

> >

> > Links

> >

> >

> > /

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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> >

> >

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Thanks Amita for the clarification. You see at least

for me it was not clear on why you were hurt,now that

you have explained it I revise my thoughts on that

completely. It certainly adds a different dimension

to all the combinations I mentioned elsewhere.

 

I remember an old verse in school, the gist of it was

"help is not help if the one being helped does not get

helped in any way, irrespective of how much time,

effort and money the helper puts in" which to us

students did not sound right as we were always taught

that we must try and help or attept to help no matter

how helpless the situation is. The teacher simply

gave an example saying for a very rich man to go to

the temple, and trying to wash his sins, or guilt,

after the pooja if he just throws 10 naya paise to a

poor begger .. That is hardly help! .. help is a very

relative term, it HAS to consider the helpee's needs

first and level of help that will bring out the

misery.

 

I see a real example only now in your case you

mentioned: In receiving all the help, you only

realised you were losing your mother ever further.

i.e., you were losing more than the help you were

receiving.

 

Its a very important lesson to learn.

 

Karthik

 

 

 

--- Amita Shukla <shuklaamita wrote:

> Dear Manoshi

>

> I do not understand you when you say "I am sorry ,

> but I don't support your view". Well thanks for

> converting my simple thought to a complex view.

> I do not know what in my mail prompted you to write

> things like

> Do not judge your parents, you can never forgive

> them etc etc.

> Wow this was way out of line.

> No body is doubting or questioning parents here.

>

> I Reread the original mail on selfless service and

> luv and thought to share what prompted me to write

> in response:

>

> 1.Well when some people were talking about GIVING

> selfless service and selfless love somehow i also

> thought about the RECEIVER of selfless service and

> selfless love.

>

> 2.Well when some people were talking about attaining

> the Ultimate(peace,God,Moksha, nature etc what name

> one wants to give) i was thinking as that person who

> had to let go of his/her dear person 'coz that dear

> one had gone so high on the spiritual path that

> there was no return.

>

>

> My mother is so deeply immersed in her spiritual

> life that she has no expectations from any body and

> at same time she is all willing to help any body who

> is in need.

> She is so much full of luv and peace that she does

> not differentiate between me and any other human

> being.

> She only thinks and sees God.

>

> On the other hand it is little hard for me to accept

> her new form.It is very hard for me to LET GO of

> her.But i am trying to do that with the best of

> ability 'coz i know this will make her happy.

> At that particular time in my life i was very sick

> and demoralized.And only thing i wanted in my life

> was my mother as my mother.So some how i felt

> hurt.And i know it was wrong on my part .But

> probably i am too low on the spiritual level.

>

> I really respect her and want to be like her one

> day.

>

> I think i have my point clear.

>

> Folks Thx for all your time.

> I am not judging any body here.I just had an

> experience and i shared it.

> Please do not twist things.

>

> Thx

> Amita

>

>

>

>

> khallopapa <khallopapa wrote:

> Dear Amita,

>

> I am sorry , but I dont support your view. I feel

> Parents are God. I

> think we are no one to JUDGE them or can never have

> that much of

> capability to ever forgive them. If we doubt our

> parent's love, it's

> the biggest sin. I dont think anyone would be ever

> born to love us

> as much as our parents do...whether selfless or not

> ...I dont care.

>

> Manoshi

>

>

>

>

> , Amita

> Shukla

> <shuklaamita> wrote:

> > -"I strongly beleive that 'Selfless Love' would

> lead

> > to 'Selfess Service', concluding in 'Nishkama

> Karma'"

> > -"first one has to

> > EXPERIENCE THE PAIN and then when you UNDERSTAND

> that PAIN ,

> > automatically flows that selfless LOVE when you

> serve"

> >

> > After reading the above lines i could not resist

> sharing my

> experience:

> >

> > Once i fell very ill and was on complete bed rest

> more than a

> month.I called my mother for help from India.

> >

> > My mother who is very religious and pious women

> came for my help

> all the way from india.

> >

> > She did so much for me which i can not repay it by

> any means.

> >

> > I really luv and respect her a lot.

> >

> > But once while both me and her were talking she

> told me

> >

> > "When i serve you i think i am serving god and see

> god in you"

> >

> > I know for sure she luvs me a lot but when she

> said the above line

> i was so much hurt 'coz i felt i had called my

> mother for help but

> in turn it was a social worker who is working

> selflessly.I felt as

> if i had lost my mother.

> >

> > Some how till now i can not forget her words.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thx

> >

> > Amita

> >

> >

> > khallopapa <khallopapa> wrote:

> > Dear RG,

> >

> > No, you are not the only one who has this

> 'technical' problem. I

> > have too, but more important is to try to develop

> that selfless

> > love. I, from my experience, can say that, first

> one has to

> > EXPERIENCE THE PAIN and then when you UNDERSTAND

> that PAIN ,

> > automatically flows that selfless LOVE when you

> serve. There is a

> > big difference between sympathize and empathize.

> Put yourself in

> > that position if you have not experienced the

> pain...and then you

> > realize how it hurts when one is doing a favour(

> out of pity) or

> so-

> > called serving you for some fulfilment of his/her

> desires.

> >

> > I hope I made sense.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Manoshi

> >

> >

> >

> > , Ravinder

> Grover

> > <astrology@c...> wrote:

> > > Dear Manoshi

> > >

> > > Its very nice of you to bring the issue of

> 'Selfless Love'.

> Many

> > thanks. I strongly beleive that 'Selfless Love'

> would lead

> > to 'Selfess Service', concluding in 'Nishkama

> Karma', the path way

> > to Liberation.

> > >

> > > But I have a technical question & problem,

> probablly it only

> > applies to me and nobody else.

> > > 1.. How do I develop 'Selfless Love' ?

> > > 2.. I have tried serving selflessly, technical

> speaking, but

> at

> > later stage I realised that I was NOT serving or

> loving

> Selflessly.

> > I always had some elements of EGO and DESIRE

> behind it. May be,

> I

> > was always desiting for the Fruit of the Action.

> What do I do

> now?

> > I know my problem but I have not been able to come

> out of this for

> > ages.

> > > Can anybody help me?

> > >

> > > Love

> > >

> > > RG

> > > 1..

> > > 2.. -

> > > khallopapa

> > >

> > > Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:03 AM

> > > Experiece the Love

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > > In another group, this was told once ...Don't

> have that EGO

> that

> > we

> > > are helping others. we should not pity any one

> but serve

> > selflessly.

> > > This is so true. I was travelling today with a

> mentally and

> > > physically handicapped person. The first

> feeling was...pity. I

> > felt

> > > ashamed of myself later. This brought up some

> thoughts.....

> > >

> > > To be genuine is very important. The LOVE has

> to be

> > experienced .

> > > If you dont experience that selfless love, you

> can never

> > understand

> > > what it is. Those who preach but dont practice

> may influence

> > people

> > > but they themselves remain in deep darkness.

> > > I remember when I had appeared for my Visharad

> exams, I was

> just

> > > sixteen and I was asked to sing ' Babul mora

> naihar chhooto hi

> > > jaaye'. Technically I had sung it very correct

> but the

> examiner

> > told

> > > me "Sing it the way you would if you really

> have to leave your

> > > parents and go far away. Feel it and then

> sing".

> > > To feel genuinely is very important to do

> anything in the

> right

> > > manner. One must have devotion and PURE

> feelings. So, love

> > whatever

> > > you do, be sincere and devoted and have faith

> in YOURSELF.

> Serve

> > > people like you are serving God(I learnt it in

> this group)...

> > You

> > > will reach your goal.

> > >

> > > Manoshi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS

> SURVIVAL !~

> > >

> > >

> > > Sponsor

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> !~

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> >

> >

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Dear Amita,

 

Even for all the people who talk so much philosophy in

life ... it's very difficult to accept loss of any

kind in their own personal lives ...

 

I can instantly connect to the feeling that you might

have felt at that instant ... and maybe eventually we

all grow out of those feelings .. yet when the are

there they are very real to us and are very

troublesome as well !!

 

I personally think your mom is very lucky! and inspite

of what she said .. I am sure for her you are always

first among the equals ! .. I am saying this because I

have had similar experiences in my own life ...

 

Take care,

Surya.

 

--- Amita Shukla <shuklaamita wrote:

> Dear Manoshi

>

> I do not understand you when you say "I am sorry ,

> but I don't support your view". Well thanks for

> converting my simple thought to a complex view.

> I do not know what in my mail prompted you to write

> things like

> Do not judge your parents, you can never forgive

> them etc etc.

> Wow this was way out of line.

> No body is doubting or questioning parents here.

>

> I Reread the original mail on selfless service and

> luv and thought to share what prompted me to write

> in response:

>

> 1.Well when some people were talking about GIVING

> selfless service and selfless love somehow i also

> thought about the RECEIVER of selfless service and

> selfless love.

>

> 2.Well when some people were talking about attaining

> the Ultimate(peace,God,Moksha, nature etc what name

> one wants to give) i was thinking as that person who

> had to let go of his/her dear person 'coz that dear

> one had gone so high on the spiritual path that

> there was no return.

>

>

> My mother is so deeply immersed in her spiritual

> life that she has no expectations from any body and

> at same time she is all willing to help any body who

> is in need.

> She is so much full of luv and peace that she does

> not differentiate between me and any other human

> being.

> She only thinks and sees God.

>

> On the other hand it is little hard for me to accept

> her new form.It is very hard for me to LET GO of

> her.But i am trying to do that with the best of

> ability 'coz i know this will make her happy.

> At that particular time in my life i was very sick

> and demoralized.And only thing i wanted in my life

> was my mother as my mother.So some how i felt

> hurt.And i know it was wrong on my part .But

> probably i am too low on the spiritual level.

>

> I really respect her and want to be like her one

> day.

>

> I think i have my point clear.

>

> Folks Thx for all your time.

> I am not judging any body here.I just had an

> experience and i shared it.

> Please do not twist things.

>

> Thx

> Amita

>

>

>

>

> khallopapa <khallopapa wrote:

> Dear Amita,

>

> I am sorry , but I dont support your view. I feel

> Parents are God. I

> think we are no one to JUDGE them or can never have

> that much of

> capability to ever forgive them. If we doubt our

> parent's love, it's

> the biggest sin. I dont think anyone would be ever

> born to love us

> as much as our parents do...whether selfless or not

> ...I dont care.

>

> Manoshi

>

>

>

>

> , Amita

> Shukla

> <shuklaamita> wrote:

> > -"I strongly beleive that 'Selfless Love' would

> lead

> > to 'Selfess Service', concluding in 'Nishkama

> Karma'"

> > -"first one has to

> > EXPERIENCE THE PAIN and then when you UNDERSTAND

> that PAIN ,

> > automatically flows that selfless LOVE when you

> serve"

> >

> > After reading the above lines i could not resist

> sharing my

> experience:

> >

> > Once i fell very ill and was on complete bed rest

> more than a

> month.I called my mother for help from India.

> >

> > My mother who is very religious and pious women

> came for my help

> all the way from india.

> >

> > She did so much for me which i can not repay it by

> any means.

> >

> > I really luv and respect her a lot.

> >

> > But once while both me and her were talking she

> told me

> >

> > "When i serve you i think i am serving god and see

> god in you"

> >

> > I know for sure she luvs me a lot but when she

> said the above line

> i was so much hurt 'coz i felt i had called my

> mother for help but

> in turn it was a social worker who is working

> selflessly.I felt as

> if i had lost my mother.

> >

> > Some how till now i can not forget her words.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thx

> >

> > Amita

> >

> >

> > khallopapa <khallopapa> wrote:

> > Dear RG,

> >

> > No, you are not the only one who has this

> 'technical' problem. I

> > have too, but more important is to try to develop

> that selfless

> > love. I, from my experience, can say that, first

> one has to

> > EXPERIENCE THE PAIN and then when you UNDERSTAND

> that PAIN ,

> > automatically flows that selfless LOVE when you

> serve. There is a

> > big difference between sympathize and empathize.

> Put yourself in

> > that position if you have not experienced the

> pain...and then you

> > realize how it hurts when one is doing a favour(

> out of pity) or

> so-

> > called serving you for some fulfilment of his/her

> desires.

> >

> > I hope I made sense.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Manoshi

> >

> >

> >

> > , Ravinder

> Grover

> > <astrology@c...> wrote:

> > > Dear Manoshi

> > >

> > > Its very nice of you to bring the issue of

> 'Selfless Love'.

> Many

> > thanks. I strongly beleive that 'Selfless Love'

> would lead

> > to 'Selfess Service', concluding in 'Nishkama

> Karma', the path way

> > to Liberation.

> > >

> > > But I have a technical question & problem,

> probablly it only

> > applies to me and nobody else.

> > > 1.. How do I develop 'Selfless Love' ?

> > > 2.. I have tried serving selflessly, technical

> speaking, but

> at

> > later stage I realised that I was NOT serving or

> loving

> Selflessly.

> > I always had some elements of EGO and DESIRE

> behind it. May be,

> I

> > was always desiting for the Fruit of the Action.

> What do I do

> now?

> > I know my problem but I have not been able to come

> out of this for

> > ages.

> > > Can anybody help me?

>

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