Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Dear Manoshi I do not understand you when you say "I am sorry , but I don't support your view". Well thanks for converting my simple thought to a complex view. I do not know what in my mail prompted you to write things likeDo not judge your parents, you can never forgive them etc etc. Wow this was way out of line. No body is doubting or questioning parents here. I Reread the original mail on selfless service and luv and thought to share what prompted me to write in response: 1.Well when some people were talking about GIVING selfless service and selfless love somehow i also thought about the RECEIVER of selfless service and selfless love. 2.Well when some people were talking about attaining the Ultimate(peace,God,Moksha, nature etc what name one wants to give) i was thinking as that person who had to let go of his/her dear person 'coz that dear one had gone so high on the spiritual path that there was no return. My mother is so deeply immersed in her spiritual life that she has no expectations from any body and at same time she is all willing to help any body who is in need. She is so much full of luv and peace that she does not differentiate between me and any other human being. She only thinks and sees God. On the other hand it is little hard for me to accept her new form.It is very hard for me to LET GO of her.But i am trying to do that with the best of ability 'coz i know this will make her happy. At that particular time in my life i was very sick and demoralized.And only thing i wanted in my life was my mother as my mother.So some how i felt hurt.And i know it was wrong on my part .But probably i am too low on the spiritual level. I really respect her and want to be like her one day. I think i have my point clear. Folks Thx for all your time. I am not judging any body here.I just had an experience and i shared it. Please do not twist things. Thx Amita khallopapa <khallopapa > wrote: Dear Amita,I am sorry , but I dont support your view. I feel Parents are God. I think we are no one to JUDGE them or can never have that much of capability to ever forgive them. If we doubt our parent's love, it's the biggest sin. I dont think anyone would be ever born to love us as much as our parents do...whether selfless or not ...I dont care.Manoshi, Amita Shukla <shuklaamita> wrote:> -"I strongly beleive that 'Selfless Love' would lead > to 'Selfess Service', concluding in 'Nishkama Karma'"> -"first one has to > EXPERIENCE THE PAIN and then when you UNDERSTAND that PAIN , > automatically flows that selfless LOVE when you serve"> > After reading the above lines i could not resist sharing my experience:> > Once i fell very ill and was on complete bed rest more than a month.I called my mother for help from India.> > My mother who is very religious and pious women came for my help all the way from india.> > She did so much for me which i can not repay it by any means.> > I really luv and respect her a lot.> > But once while both me and her were talking she told me> > "When i serve you i think i am serving god and see god in you"> > I know for sure she luvs me a lot but when she said the above line i was so much hurt 'coz i felt i had called my mother for help but in turn it was a social worker who is working selflessly.I felt as if i had lost my mother.> > Some how till now i can not forget her words.> > > > Thx> > Amita> > > khallopapa <khallopapa> wrote:> Dear RG,> > No, you are not the only one who has this 'technical' problem. I > have too, but more important is to try to develop that selfless > love. I, from my experience, can say that, first one has to > EXPERIENCE THE PAIN and then when you UNDERSTAND that PAIN , > automatically flows that selfless LOVE when you serve. There is a > big difference between sympathize and empathize. Put yourself in > that position if you have not experienced the pain...and then you > realize how it hurts when one is doing a favour( out of pity) or so-> called serving you for some fulfilment of his/her desires.> > I hope I made sense.> > regards> > Manoshi> > > > , Ravinder Grover > <astrology@c...> wrote:> > Dear Manoshi> > > > Its very nice of you to bring the issue of 'Selfless Love'. Many > thanks. I strongly beleive that 'Selfless Love' would lead > to 'Selfess Service', concluding in 'Nishkama Karma', the path way > to Liberation.> > > > But I have a technical question & problem, probablly it only > applies to me and nobody else. > > 1.. How do I develop 'Selfless Love' ?> > 2.. I have tried serving selflessly, technical speaking, but at > later stage I realised that I was NOT serving or loving Selflessly. > I always had some elements of EGO and DESIRE behind it. May be, I > was always desiting for the Fruit of the Action. What do I do now? > I know my problem but I have not been able to come out of this for > ages.> > Can anybody help me?> > > > Love> > > > RG> > 1.. > > 2.. - > > khallopapa > > To: > > Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:03 AM> > Experiece the Love> > > > > > Dear friends,> > In another group, this was told once ...Don't have that EGO that > we > > are helping others. we should not pity any one but serve > selflessly. > > This is so true. I was travelling today with a mentally and > > physically handicapped person. The first feeling was...pity. I > felt > > ashamed of myself later. This brought up some thoughts.....> > > > To be genuine is very important. The LOVE has to be > experienced . > > If you dont experience that selfless love, you can never > understand > > what it is. Those who preach but dont practice may influence > people > > but they themselves remain in deep darkness. > > I remember when I had appeared for my Visharad exams, I was just > > sixteen and I was asked to sing ' Babul mora naihar chhooto hi > > jaaye'. Technically I had sung it very correct but the examiner > told > > me "Sing it the way you would if you really have to leave your > > parents and go far away. Feel it and then sing".> > To feel genuinely is very important to do anything in the right > > manner. One must have devotion and PURE feelings. So, love > whatever > > you do, be sincere and devoted and have faith in YOURSELF. Serve > > people like you are serving God(I learnt it in this group)... > You > > will reach your goal.> > > > Manoshi> > > > > > > > ~! 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