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I am very curious, for a selfish reason, to hear from people who

have actually had personal experience of receiving a professional

paid reading (Jyotish or astrology). Without naming names, I would

like their candid views about the following:

 

a) What were your expectations when you went in or applied for the

reading?

 

b) To what extent were your expectations met, what did not match up

with your expectations?

 

c) Did you feel you paid too much, too little?

 

d) Did you go back for a follow-up reading or discussion? Did the

astrologer encourage that? Did he provide you with a technical

review when you asked for it? How useful was this follow-up?

 

e) How many of the predictions came true? Give us a flavour of the

type of events s/he predicted. This is important because one major

life-changing event is worth more than many minor events!

 

f) How many different astrologers have you visited/consulted and why

so many (if you can share)

 

g) Overall, do you think that getting a reading on the web (free

readings, mostly by beginners etc) are more satisfying than paid

professional readings? Is it only because of money saved?

 

h) Is or was money an issue in not being able to get a paid reading

due to your circumstances at the time? did you bring this up and was

the astrologer sensitive to it and responsive or was s?he too

business like?

 

i) Did you 'shop' around, seek references like you would when

getting a mechanic to look at your car or were you less careful?

 

j) Were you a bit quesey when approaching the astrologer because you

did not think he or she was like other human beings or other human

service providers? Did he or his demeanour such that you were forced

to be careful and less upfront?

 

Thanks

 

Rohiniranjan

[Guest guest]

Actually a pertinent question.

 

I have consulted maybe about 20 very very good

astrologers. Very Very good becoz a lot of other

people (who had no interest in promoting that

particular astrologer) recommended that person with

personal examples and satisfaction.

 

in almost all cases, the past was perfect! 100/100

almost, but the future was only near 10% accurate.

 

about 18/20 were commercial. that is directed you to

do somethign that indirectly meant some income to them

or over charged .

 

In almost 18/20 I felt "THIS IS THE PERSON WHO CAN

GIVE ME A REAL INDICATION OF WHAT WILL REALLY HAPPEN"

 

 

After i finished with the session the feeling of "This

person is very good" was only 9/20 after a few months

or years, that feeling droped to 2 out of 20

 

certainly this cannot serve the basis for judgement of

the science.

 

But I have also come to a very fundamental conclusion

which people can PLEASE support or correct me. That

is:

 

An astrologer is very good ONLY to a percentage of his

clients, even with identical problems. NOT to all.

That is where one astrologer may be good to some,

actually is unable (not does not or will not) to do a

good job for a few of his clients. I do not know why

this happens. Maybe it is in the horoscope of a

person that even when help comes, his/her horoscope is

so strong that it can negate or dilute the help. it

is really no fault of the astrologer. That is my

view.

 

Karthik

 

 

 

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> I am very curious, for a selfish reason, to hear

> from people who

> have actually had personal experience of receiving a

> professional

> paid reading (Jyotish or astrology). Without naming

> names, I would

> like their candid views about the following:

>

> a) What were your expectations when you went in or

> applied for the

> reading?

>

> b) To what extent were your expectations met, what

> did not match up

> with your expectations?

>

> c) Did you feel you paid too much, too little?

>

> d) Did you go back for a follow-up reading or

> discussion? Did the

> astrologer encourage that? Did he provide you with a

> technical

> review when you asked for it? How useful was this

> follow-up?

>

> e) How many of the predictions came true? Give us a

> flavour of the

> type of events s/he predicted. This is important

> because one major

> life-changing event is worth more than many minor

> events!

>

> f) How many different astrologers have you

> visited/consulted and why

> so many (if you can share)

>

> g) Overall, do you think that getting a reading on

> the web (free

> readings, mostly by beginners etc) are more

> satisfying than paid

> professional readings? Is it only because of money

> saved?

>

> h) Is or was money an issue in not being able to get

> a paid reading

> due to your circumstances at the time? did you bring

> this up and was

> the astrologer sensitive to it and responsive or was

> s?he too

> business like?

>

> i) Did you 'shop' around, seek references like you

> would when

> getting a mechanic to look at your car or were you

> less careful?

>

> j) Were you a bit quesey when approaching the

> astrologer because you

> did not think he or she was like other human beings

> or other human

> service providers? Did he or his demeanour such that

> you were forced

> to be careful and less upfront?

>

> Thanks

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Very good points, particularly the last paragraph! Thanks!!

 

, n karthik <nkarthik99>

wrote:

> Actually a pertinent question.

>

> I have consulted maybe about 20 very very good

> astrologers. Very Very good becoz a lot of other

> people (who had no interest in promoting that

> particular astrologer) recommended that person with

> personal examples and satisfaction.

>

> in almost all cases, the past was perfect! 100/100

> almost, but the future was only near 10% accurate.

>

> about 18/20 were commercial. that is directed you to

> do somethign that indirectly meant some income to them

> or over charged .

>

> In almost 18/20 I felt "THIS IS THE PERSON WHO CAN

> GIVE ME A REAL INDICATION OF WHAT WILL REALLY HAPPEN"

>

>

> After i finished with the session the feeling of "This

> person is very good" was only 9/20 after a few months

> or years, that feeling droped to 2 out of 20

>

> certainly this cannot serve the basis for judgement of

> the science.

>

> But I have also come to a very fundamental conclusion

> which people can PLEASE support or correct me. That

> is:

>

> An astrologer is very good ONLY to a percentage of his

> clients, even with identical problems. NOT to all.

> That is where one astrologer may be good to some,

> actually is unable (not does not or will not) to do a

> good job for a few of his clients. I do not know why

> this happens. Maybe it is in the horoscope of a

> person that even when help comes, his/her horoscope is

> so strong that it can negate or dilute the help. it

> is really no fault of the astrologer. That is my

> view.

>

> Karthik

>

>

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > I am very curious, for a selfish reason, to hear

> > from people who

> > have actually had personal experience of receiving a

> > professional

> > paid reading (Jyotish or astrology). Without naming

> > names, I would

> > like their candid views about the following:

> >

> > a) What were your expectations when you went in or

> > applied for the

> > reading?

> >

> > b) To what extent were your expectations met, what

> > did not match up

> > with your expectations?

> >

> > c) Did you feel you paid too much, too little?

> >

> > d) Did you go back for a follow-up reading or

> > discussion? Did the

> > astrologer encourage that? Did he provide you with a

> > technical

> > review when you asked for it? How useful was this

> > follow-up?

> >

> > e) How many of the predictions came true? Give us a

> > flavour of the

> > type of events s/he predicted. This is important

> > because one major

> > life-changing event is worth more than many minor

> > events!

> >

> > f) How many different astrologers have you

> > visited/consulted and why

> > so many (if you can share)

> >

> > g) Overall, do you think that getting a reading on

> > the web (free

> > readings, mostly by beginners etc) are more

> > satisfying than paid

> > professional readings? Is it only because of money

> > saved?

> >

> > h) Is or was money an issue in not being able to get

> > a paid reading

> > due to your circumstances at the time? did you bring

> > this up and was

> > the astrologer sensitive to it and responsive or was

> > s?he too

> > business like?

> >

> > i) Did you 'shop' around, seek references like you

> > would when

> > getting a mechanic to look at your car or were you

> > less careful?

> >

> > j) Were you a bit quesey when approaching the

> > astrologer because you

> > did not think he or she was like other human beings

> > or other human

> > service providers? Did he or his demeanour such that

> > you were forced

> > to be careful and less upfront?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Rohiniji,

Your list of queries is long. Let me also give my inputs if it is of

any help or if if it is interesting.

I have never ever consulted any astrologer.

Only long ago when I was learning with a group of friends, somebody

read my chart and told me many things which put me in the state of

anxiety. Later his reading came out to be wrong.

After learning KP I understood that house is to be taken from cusp

to cusp. And how the planets give results.I realize the mistakes of

my friends.

He made long analysis where Ven sitting where it went in Navvamsa

and how it shifted in Dwamsa etc etc, strenght and aspects etc.

I had to unlearn some astrology I learned by that time.

I also sticked to my decision taken at that time that I shall never

show my chart to any person.

Otherwise also I donot take my decisions in life based on astro

considerations. I dont know which anthra I am running now. I donot

see trasits on daily basis.I only see the things broadly. See how we

dance to the tunes of destiny but in a broad prospective.

As I noticed my reading to many people proved to be correct using

KP, I participate as a hobby or as a service to help people. (

whinin limits of my capabilities).

As I go by basic principles I dont think for research etc as you

often point out to all.

I also believe that you can not change destiny by astro forecasts.

Regards..........

Inder

 

 

-- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Very good points, particularly the last paragraph! Thanks!!

>

> , n karthik

<nkarthik99>

> wrote:

> > Actually a pertinent question.

> >

> > I have consulted maybe about 20 very very good

> > astrologers. Very Very good becoz a lot of other

> > people (who had no interest in promoting that

> > particular astrologer) recommended that person with

> > personal examples and satisfaction.

> >

> > in almost all cases, the past was perfect! 100/100

> > almost, but the future was only near 10% accurate.

> >

> > about 18/20 were commercial. that is directed you to

> > do somethign that indirectly meant some income to them

> > or over charged .

> >

> > In almost 18/20 I felt "THIS IS THE PERSON WHO CAN

> > GIVE ME A REAL INDICATION OF WHAT WILL REALLY HAPPEN"

> >

> >

> > After i finished with the session the feeling of "This

> > person is very good" was only 9/20 after a few months

> > or years, that feeling droped to 2 out of 20

> >

> > certainly this cannot serve the basis for judgement of

> > the science.

> >

> > But I have also come to a very fundamental conclusion

> > which people can PLEASE support or correct me. That

> > is:

> >

> > An astrologer is very good ONLY to a percentage of his

> > clients, even with identical problems. NOT to all.

> > That is where one astrologer may be good to some,

> > actually is unable (not does not or will not) to do a

> > good job for a few of his clients. I do not know why

> > this happens. Maybe it is in the horoscope of a

> > person that even when help comes, his/her horoscope is

> > so strong that it can negate or dilute the help. it

> > is really no fault of the astrologer. That is my

> > view.

> >

> > Karthik

> >

> >

> >

> > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > I am very curious, for a selfish reason, to hear

> > > from people who

> > > have actually had personal experience of receiving a

> > > professional

> > > paid reading (Jyotish or astrology). Without naming

> > > names, I would

> > > like their candid views about the following:

> > >

> > > a) What were your expectations when you went in or

> > > applied for the

> > > reading?

> > >

> > > b) To what extent were your expectations met, what

> > > did not match up

> > > with your expectations?

> > >

> > > c) Did you feel you paid too much, too little?

> > >

> > > d) Did you go back for a follow-up reading or

> > > discussion? Did the

> > > astrologer encourage that? Did he provide you with a

> > > technical

> > > review when you asked for it? How useful was this

> > > follow-up?

> > >

> > > e) How many of the predictions came true? Give us a

> > > flavour of the

> > > type of events s/he predicted. This is important

> > > because one major

> > > life-changing event is worth more than many minor

> > > events!

> > >

> > > f) How many different astrologers have you

> > > visited/consulted and why

> > > so many (if you can share)

> > >

> > > g) Overall, do you think that getting a reading on

> > > the web (free

> > > readings, mostly by beginners etc) are more

> > > satisfying than paid

> > > professional readings? Is it only because of money

> > > saved?

> > >

> > > h) Is or was money an issue in not being able to get

> > > a paid reading

> > > due to your circumstances at the time? did you bring

> > > this up and was

> > > the astrologer sensitive to it and responsive or was

> > > s?he too

> > > business like?

> > >

> > > i) Did you 'shop' around, seek references like you

> > > would when

> > > getting a mechanic to look at your car or were you

> > > less careful?

> > >

> > > j) Were you a bit quesey when approaching the

> > > astrologer because you

> > > did not think he or she was like other human beings

> > > or other human

> > > service providers? Did he or his demeanour such that

> > > you were forced

> > > to be careful and less upfront?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks. One point of clarification. I do not necessarily insist

on 'research' by itself or recommend it for everyone. I do like to

see examples though, because in my experience, a lot in jyotish is

regurgitated from untested, unexperienced tenets by everyone from

beginner to the mahatmas. This does not mean that I will accept only

that which comes with a set of proof, but then if we are not

prepared to present a proof we must leave a bit of room for doubt so

that others may test it and so on.

 

A case in point, you use KP and your readings done here and perhaps

elsewhere are demonstrating to others and more importantly to

yourself that the system works wonderfully in your hands. That is

the kind of feedback that really helps one, the testbed of real

experience. Bravo!

 

KP was a very big paradigm shift in my life in understanding the

vimshottary and how it ties in with a western progression (they

missed out on the progression being one that moves at variable

speeds instead of a degree per year!)

 

Thanks again,

 

RR

 

, "Inder"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

> Dear Rohiniji,

> Your list of queries is long. Let me also give my inputs if it is

of

> any help or if if it is interesting.

> I have never ever consulted any astrologer.

> Only long ago when I was learning with a group of friends,

somebody

> read my chart and told me many things which put me in the state of

> anxiety. Later his reading came out to be wrong.

> After learning KP I understood that house is to be taken from cusp

> to cusp. And how the planets give results.I realize the mistakes

of

> my friends.

> He made long analysis where Ven sitting where it went in Navvamsa

> and how it shifted in Dwamsa etc etc, strenght and aspects etc.

> I had to unlearn some astrology I learned by that time.

> I also sticked to my decision taken at that time that I shall

never

> show my chart to any person.

> Otherwise also I donot take my decisions in life based on astro

> considerations. I dont know which anthra I am running now. I donot

> see trasits on daily basis.I only see the things broadly. See how

we

> dance to the tunes of destiny but in a broad prospective.

> As I noticed my reading to many people proved to be correct using

> KP, I participate as a hobby or as a service to help people. (

> whinin limits of my capabilities).

> As I go by basic principles I dont think for research etc as you

> often point out to all.

> I also believe that you can not change destiny by astro forecasts.

> Regards..........

> Inder

>

>

> -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Very good points, particularly the last paragraph! Thanks!!

> >

> > , n karthik

> <nkarthik99>

> > wrote:

> > > Actually a pertinent question.

> > >

> > > I have consulted maybe about 20 very very good

> > > astrologers. Very Very good becoz a lot of other

> > > people (who had no interest in promoting that

> > > particular astrologer) recommended that person with

> > > personal examples and satisfaction.

> > >

> > > in almost all cases, the past was perfect! 100/100

> > > almost, but the future was only near 10% accurate.

> > >

> > > about 18/20 were commercial. that is directed you to

> > > do somethign that indirectly meant some income to them

> > > or over charged .

> > >

> > > In almost 18/20 I felt "THIS IS THE PERSON WHO CAN

> > > GIVE ME A REAL INDICATION OF WHAT WILL REALLY HAPPEN"

> > >

> > >

> > > After i finished with the session the feeling of "This

> > > person is very good" was only 9/20 after a few months

> > > or years, that feeling droped to 2 out of 20

> > >

> > > certainly this cannot serve the basis for judgement of

> > > the science.

> > >

> > > But I have also come to a very fundamental conclusion

> > > which people can PLEASE support or correct me. That

> > > is:

> > >

> > > An astrologer is very good ONLY to a percentage of his

> > > clients, even with identical problems. NOT to all.

> > > That is where one astrologer may be good to some,

> > > actually is unable (not does not or will not) to do a

> > > good job for a few of his clients. I do not know why

> > > this happens. Maybe it is in the horoscope of a

> > > person that even when help comes, his/her horoscope is

> > > so strong that it can negate or dilute the help. it

> > > is really no fault of the astrologer. That is my

> > > view.

> > >

> > > Karthik

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > I am very curious, for a selfish reason, to hear

> > > > from people who

> > > > have actually had personal experience of receiving a

> > > > professional

> > > > paid reading (Jyotish or astrology). Without naming

> > > > names, I would

> > > > like their candid views about the following:

> > > >

> > > > a) What were your expectations when you went in or

> > > > applied for the

> > > > reading?

> > > >

> > > > b) To what extent were your expectations met, what

> > > > did not match up

> > > > with your expectations?

> > > >

> > > > c) Did you feel you paid too much, too little?

> > > >

> > > > d) Did you go back for a follow-up reading or

> > > > discussion? Did the

> > > > astrologer encourage that? Did he provide you with a

> > > > technical

> > > > review when you asked for it? How useful was this

> > > > follow-up?

> > > >

> > > > e) How many of the predictions came true? Give us a

> > > > flavour of the

> > > > type of events s/he predicted. This is important

> > > > because one major

> > > > life-changing event is worth more than many minor

> > > > events!

> > > >

> > > > f) How many different astrologers have you

> > > > visited/consulted and why

> > > > so many (if you can share)

> > > >

> > > > g) Overall, do you think that getting a reading on

> > > > the web (free

> > > > readings, mostly by beginners etc) are more

> > > > satisfying than paid

> > > > professional readings? Is it only because of money

> > > > saved?

> > > >

> > > > h) Is or was money an issue in not being able to get

> > > > a paid reading

> > > > due to your circumstances at the time? did you bring

> > > > this up and was

> > > > the astrologer sensitive to it and responsive or was

> > > > s?he too

> > > > business like?

> > > >

> > > > i) Did you 'shop' around, seek references like you

> > > > would when

> > > > getting a mechanic to look at your car or were you

> > > > less careful?

> > > >

> > > > j) Were you a bit quesey when approaching the

> > > > astrologer because you

> > > > did not think he or she was like other human beings

> > > > or other human

> > > > service providers? Did he or his demeanour such that

> > > > you were forced

> > > > to be careful and less upfront?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger.

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