Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Dear Rohini Ranjan Ji, I cannot resist saying...How do you write so well? :-) I have been following your posts for quite some time. I must say you have got a very practical thinking. Regards Manoshi , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > My responses below for your kind perusal and consideration: > > , vineet sharma > <vineetkbc> wrote: > > Dear Rohini Rajan ji and Hi All, > > > > I agree that in order to verify other lifetimes, one > > would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities. > > However, I feel, an astrologer must have both > > qualities - he must be a little bit psychic as well as > > possess spritual abilities. > > > RR==> I have no problem with the jyotishi having intuitive powers > etc or doing sadhna if it helps the client even more. Jyotish is > anything but an intellectual exercise (although it sometimes gets > used and portrayed that way). However, then one should be honest and > call oneself a divinator. The monikker of jyotish/astrologer sort of > implies that one is using only astrology. Sorry if I am being too > anal :-) > > > An important issue here is the possibility of knowing > > the past life based on your present astrological > > chart. I really have a strong feeling that one can > > find about the previous life of somebody based on > > present astrological chart. Coz the link may be as > > follows: > > > > A. We achieve/attain anything in this world, based on > > our previous birth's karmas; > > > RR==> True perhaps, and conceptually comprehensible, particularly > when viewed through our cultural learning. However, I have > difficulty in conceptualizing that my current birthtime is only > influenced by my previous birth. I have presumably had many births > and maybe it is one of the many births that are now influencing a > given experience in current birth. So, unless one can really take > stock of all those births, using this amsha or that amsha+sun-ketu > or whatever, the pattern that emerges though interesting might be as > useful as already chewed-up piece of sugarcane! It is like seeing an > image portrayed in 4-bit patterns -- kind of blotchy and with > limited details possible. When dealing with something complex like > past births and many of those, one probably needs to wait till they > gain psychic sight so that they can see a true-colour version of the > entire picture, rather than looking at some smokey bits and pieces > and filling the gaps using one's imagination (hopefully not > influenced by the smoke!) > > > > B. We can predict through astrological chart that > > what's going to happen in next, say, 10-15 days. > > > RR==> A claim that has not been demonstrated in a consistent > predictable (sorry couldn't hold back) manner! Not even jyotishis of > high calibre (giants) have been able to make that claim and > demonstrate it to be the case in sufficient numbers. I am sorry if I > am hurting your feelings or tarnishing your image of modern jyotish > but that is true. And I am willing to consider proofs from anyone > based on cold readings. > > > Spritually speaking, I feel that, > > everybody...(repeating) everybody in this world is > > owing something in some manner/shape to some other > > person in one way or the other. If we say that we are > > sharing knowledge thru this mechanism, is not just a > > mere happening. This has to have happened, so is > > happening. In someway, we might have any link > > generated in any of our previous births that resulting > > in our present communication. > > > RR==> Quite possible and understandable since we are a community and > share karma which could explain shared fates of communities, towns, > cultures, nations, humankind in general. This is my belief and not > necessarily something that can be easily proven, though. > > > When we know everything is fixed in this world..every > > second, it means what is happening today is the > > outcome/result of our earlier acts (might be related > > to our previous birth). My father has experienced this > > a bit. > > > RR==> I would love to believe that because it would make life so > much simpler. But it would also make it unnecessary for Nature to > create knowledge like astrology and remedies (the raison d'etre for > this group!). The existence of remedies call out loudly to me > keywords like CHOICE, FREE-WILL, INITIATION, MOTIVATION etc. Why > would my Father teach me how to bike if all He wanted me to get was > exercise but not to leave the yard? A stationary exercise bike would > have given me better exercise without letting me explore! Why does > God save the best instances of serendipity, the best gifts of > discovery and inventions for the minds that love to explore? Why > don't the best things in the history of mankind have come to idiot > savants? Or simply to idiots (using the term in its clinical sense!)? > > > I just want to study about the "Tatkal Gyana" and I > > wish if we could really find out that can u see the > > past(not the future) based on our present astrological > > chart !!! > > > > RR==> Me too! > > > regards > > > > vineet sharma > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > I never came across your question, maybe it was > > > before my time > > > (before I joined this list). If future can be > > > measured to some level > > > of certainty through astrology (or why else would we > > > be doing it!) > > > then it makes sense that past should be able to be > > > deciphered from > > > the horoscope. In fact since past is more certain > > > (already happened) > > > than future (which might engage free will and so > > > some flexibility > > > exists), when a jyotishi takes up a chart for a full > > > reading, it is > > > common practice to check out some of the past events > > > to verify the > > > horoscope. Anecdotally, it is heard that most > > > jyotishis are better > > > at deciphering the past than predicting the future! > > > > > > However, the past you talk about goes beyond this > > > lifetime and while > > > theoretically it should be able to be accomplished, > > > and there are > > > combinations in classics that point towards the > > > techniques for doing > > > so, it would not be easy to verify if the past-life > > > readings were > > > indeed true. Hence it remains in most cases a > > > curiosity that cannot > > > be proven. My suggestion is to focus on this > > > lifetime, first; gain > > > expertise in deciphering the past in this lifetime > > > and the future in > > > this lifetime first and then to move into the other > > > beads in the > > > necklace of the soul's journey (other lifetimes). > > > > > > In order to be able to decipher and verify other > > > lifetimes, one > > > would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities, > > > even then proving > > > something really happened could be tricky. > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > , vineet > > > sharma > > > <vineetkbc> wrote: > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > I've been the member of your group for about a > > > month. > > > > Out of curosity, i also asked a question, which, > > > > nevertheless, not replied by anybody. It was, > > > > regarding, of course, about my professtional > > > career. > > > > > > > > I have also seen that almost everybody wants to > > > know > > > > about the future (marg, etc.). > > > > > > > > But I have a question, is astrology also one of > > > ways > > > > of finding out about someone's past life. If yes, > > > then > > > > its an intersting question, i feel, isn't ?? > > > > > > > > If the answer is affirmative, then what i was in > > > my > > > > previous birth - DOB: 25.03.1976 in delhi at 4.25 > > > a.m. > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be pleasure, if you guys could enlighten > > > on > > > > this issue of "knowldge of past life and > > > astrology" > > > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > > > vineet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > > > http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. 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Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Your are very kind. thanks! , "khallopapa" <khallopapa> wrote: > Dear Rohini Ranjan Ji, > > I cannot resist saying...How do you write so well? :-) I have been > following your posts for quite some time. I must say you have got a > very practical thinking. > > Regards > > Manoshi > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > My responses below for your kind perusal and consideration: > > > > , vineet sharma > > <vineetkbc> wrote: > > > Dear Rohini Rajan ji and Hi All, > > > > > > I agree that in order to verify other lifetimes, one > > > would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities. > > > However, I feel, an astrologer must have both > > > qualities - he must be a little bit psychic as well as > > > possess spritual abilities. > > > > > RR==> I have no problem with the jyotishi having intuitive powers > > etc or doing sadhna if it helps the client even more. Jyotish is > > anything but an intellectual exercise (although it sometimes gets > > used and portrayed that way). However, then one should be honest > and > > call oneself a divinator. The monikker of jyotish/astrologer sort > of > > implies that one is using only astrology. Sorry if I am being too > > anal :-) > > > > > An important issue here is the possibility of knowing > > > the past life based on your present astrological > > > chart. I really have a strong feeling that one can > > > find about the previous life of somebody based on > > > present astrological chart. Coz the link may be as > > > follows: > > > > > > A. We achieve/attain anything in this world, based on > > > our previous birth's karmas; > > > > > RR==> True perhaps, and conceptually comprehensible, particularly > > when viewed through our cultural learning. However, I have > > difficulty in conceptualizing that my current birthtime is only > > influenced by my previous birth. I have presumably had many births > > and maybe it is one of the many births that are now influencing a > > given experience in current birth. So, unless one can really take > > stock of all those births, using this amsha or that amsha+sun- ketu > > or whatever, the pattern that emerges though interesting might be > as > > useful as already chewed-up piece of sugarcane! It is like seeing > an > > image portrayed in 4-bit patterns -- kind of blotchy and with > > limited details possible. When dealing with something complex like > > past births and many of those, one probably needs to wait till > they > > gain psychic sight so that they can see a true-colour version of > the > > entire picture, rather than looking at some smokey bits and pieces > > and filling the gaps using one's imagination (hopefully not > > influenced by the smoke!) > > > > > > > B. We can predict through astrological chart that > > > what's going to happen in next, say, 10-15 days. > > > > > RR==> A claim that has not been demonstrated in a consistent > > predictable (sorry couldn't hold back) manner! Not even jyotishis > of > > high calibre (giants) have been able to make that claim and > > demonstrate it to be the case in sufficient numbers. I am sorry if > I > > am hurting your feelings or tarnishing your image of modern > jyotish > > but that is true. And I am willing to consider proofs from anyone > > based on cold readings. > > > > > Spritually speaking, I feel that, > > > everybody...(repeating) everybody in this world is > > > owing something in some manner/shape to some other > > > person in one way or the other. If we say that we are > > > sharing knowledge thru this mechanism, is not just a > > > mere happening. This has to have happened, so is > > > happening. In someway, we might have any link > > > generated in any of our previous births that resulting > > > in our present communication. > > > > > RR==> Quite possible and understandable since we are a community > and > > share karma which could explain shared fates of communities, > towns, > > cultures, nations, humankind in general. This is my belief and not > > necessarily something that can be easily proven, though. > > > > > When we know everything is fixed in this world..every > > > second, it means what is happening today is the > > > outcome/result of our earlier acts (might be related > > > to our previous birth). My father has experienced this > > > a bit. > > > > > RR==> I would love to believe that because it would make life so > > much simpler. But it would also make it unnecessary for Nature to > > create knowledge like astrology and remedies (the raison d'etre > for > > this group!). The existence of remedies call out loudly to me > > keywords like CHOICE, FREE-WILL, INITIATION, MOTIVATION etc. Why > > would my Father teach me how to bike if all He wanted me to get > was > > exercise but not to leave the yard? A stationary exercise bike > would > > have given me better exercise without letting me explore! Why does > > God save the best instances of serendipity, the best gifts of > > discovery and inventions for the minds that love to explore? Why > > don't the best things in the history of mankind have come to idiot > > savants? Or simply to idiots (using the term in its clinical > sense!)? > > > > > I just want to study about the "Tatkal Gyana" and I > > > wish if we could really find out that can u see the > > > past(not the future) based on our present astrological > > > chart !!! > > > > > > > RR==> Me too! > > > > > regards > > > > > > vineet sharma > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > I never came across your question, maybe it was > > > > before my time > > > > (before I joined this list). If future can be > > > > measured to some level > > > > of certainty through astrology (or why else would we > > > > be doing it!) > > > > then it makes sense that past should be able to be > > > > deciphered from > > > > the horoscope. In fact since past is more certain > > > > (already happened) > > > > than future (which might engage free will and so > > > > some flexibility > > > > exists), when a jyotishi takes up a chart for a full > > > > reading, it is > > > > common practice to check out some of the past events > > > > to verify the > > > > horoscope. Anecdotally, it is heard that most > > > > jyotishis are better > > > > at deciphering the past than predicting the future! > > > > > > > > However, the past you talk about goes beyond this > > > > lifetime and while > > > > theoretically it should be able to be accomplished, > > > > and there are > > > > combinations in classics that point towards the > > > > techniques for doing > > > > so, it would not be easy to verify if the past-life > > > > readings were > > > > indeed true. Hence it remains in most cases a > > > > curiosity that cannot > > > > be proven. My suggestion is to focus on this > > > > lifetime, first; gain > > > > expertise in deciphering the past in this lifetime > > > > and the future in > > > > this lifetime first and then to move into the other > > > > beads in the > > > > necklace of the soul's journey (other lifetimes). > > > > > > > > In order to be able to decipher and verify other > > > > lifetimes, one > > > > would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities, > > > > even then proving > > > > something really happened could be tricky. > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , vineet > > > > sharma > > > > <vineetkbc> wrote: > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > > > I've been the member of your group for about a > > > > month. > > > > > Out of curosity, i also asked a question, which, > > > > > nevertheless, not replied by anybody. It was, > > > > > regarding, of course, about my professtional > > > > career. > > > > > > > > > > I have also seen that almost everybody wants to > > > > know > > > > > about the future (marg, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > But I have a question, is astrology also one of > > > > ways > > > > > of finding out about someone's past life. If yes, > > > > then > > > > > its an intersting question, i feel, isn't ?? > > > > > > > > > > If the answer is affirmative, then what i was in > > > > my > > > > > previous birth - DOB: 25.03.1976 in delhi at 4.25 > > > > a.m. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be pleasure, if you guys could enlighten > > > > on > > > > > this issue of "knowldge of past life and > > > > astrology" > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > > > > > vineet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > > > > http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > > > http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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