Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 Hi All I've been the member of your group for about a month. Out of curosity, i also asked a question, which, nevertheless, not replied by anybody. It was, regarding, of course, about my professtional career. I have also seen that almost everybody wants to know about the future (marg, etc.). But I have a question, is astrology also one of ways of finding out about someone's past life. If yes, then its an intersting question, i feel, isn't ?? If the answer is affirmative, then what i was in my previous birth - DOB: 25.03.1976 in delhi at 4.25 a.m. It would be pleasure, if you guys could enlighten on this issue of "knowldge of past life and astrology" thanks and regards vineet Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 - Hello Vineet ji, You are talking of past birth. This falls under Trikaal gyan. Some time back, the question of TRIKAAL GYAN YOGA was hotly discussed in another Elite Group specializing in Higher and Intricate form of Astrology. Trikaal in samskrit means Past Present And Future. I asked a very simle doubt to knowledgable Gurus WHAT IS TRIKAAL GYAN ? Is it the Knowledge of Past , present and future of a person in his life time or Knowledge of His past birth, present birth and future birth ? I am yet to get answer from them. Will Some knowledgable friend here throw some more light on my question ? I will be highly obliged. Rgds VB/HT -- In , vineet sharma <vineetkbc> wrote: > Hi All > > I've been the member of your group for about a month. > Out of curosity, i also asked a question, which, > nevertheless, not replied by anybody. It was, > regarding, of course, about my professtional career. > > I have also seen that almost everybody wants to know > about the future (marg, etc.). > > But I have a question, is astrology also one of ways > of finding out about someone's past life. If yes, then > its an intersting question, i feel, isn't ?? > > If the answer is affirmative, then what i was in my > previous birth - DOB: 25.03.1976 in delhi at 4.25 a.m. > > > It would be pleasure, if you guys could enlighten on > this issue of "knowldge of past life and astrology" > > thanks and regards > > vineet > > > > > > > Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year > http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 I never came across your question, maybe it was before my time (before I joined this list). If future can be measured to some level of certainty through astrology (or why else would we be doing it!) then it makes sense that past should be able to be deciphered from the horoscope. In fact since past is more certain (already happened) than future (which might engage free will and so some flexibility exists), when a jyotishi takes up a chart for a full reading, it is common practice to check out some of the past events to verify the horoscope. Anecdotally, it is heard that most jyotishis are better at deciphering the past than predicting the future! However, the past you talk about goes beyond this lifetime and while theoretically it should be able to be accomplished, and there are combinations in classics that point towards the techniques for doing so, it would not be easy to verify if the past-life readings were indeed true. Hence it remains in most cases a curiosity that cannot be proven. My suggestion is to focus on this lifetime, first; gain expertise in deciphering the past in this lifetime and the future in this lifetime first and then to move into the other beads in the necklace of the soul's journey (other lifetimes). In order to be able to decipher and verify other lifetimes, one would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities, even then proving something really happened could be tricky. Rohiniranjan , vineet sharma <vineetkbc> wrote: > Hi All > > I've been the member of your group for about a month. > Out of curosity, i also asked a question, which, > nevertheless, not replied by anybody. It was, > regarding, of course, about my professtional career. > > I have also seen that almost everybody wants to know > about the future (marg, etc.). > > But I have a question, is astrology also one of ways > of finding out about someone's past life. If yes, then > its an intersting question, i feel, isn't ?? > > If the answer is affirmative, then what i was in my > previous birth - DOB: 25.03.1976 in delhi at 4.25 a.m. > > > It would be pleasure, if you guys could enlighten on > this issue of "knowldge of past life and astrology" > > thanks and regards > > vineet > > > > > > > Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year > http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 Vidyut, On a list, Shri KN Rao had quoted from one of his books (I think the saints one or one of the others) and indicated that as jyotishis progress on their path/sadhna, they activate a nadi called jyotishmati nadi (it is described in Patanjali's yoga sutra). When this becomes active, one gains knowledge or more truly simultaneously the awareness of the lifetime of the soul. Once activated, the individual does not need a horoscope or charts etc to tell about someone's past or future, etc. They can even tell the correct future or past from a wrong horoscope (they are not using the charts anyway!). So, obviously, that state has nothing to do with jyotish and must not be confused with the ability to look into the past or future using standard astrology! These individuals become psychic. I know that some individuals use the term 'psychic' in a deregatory sense or in a negative way, but that does not change the facts. My advice would be to focus on jyotish as a sadhna and let things unfold, rather than trying to force them, etc. Tri=three Kaal=time Gna = knower One who knows the three times (past,present and future) simultaneously is a trikalagna. I think the simultaneous is an important keyword there. I hope this helps. Rohiniranjan , "vidyut_bhatt" <vidyut_Bhatt@h...> wrote: > - > Hello Vineet ji, > You are talking of past birth. > This falls under Trikaal gyan. > Some time back, the question of TRIKAAL GYAN YOGA was hotly discussed > in another Elite Group specializing in Higher and Intricate form of > Astrology. > > Trikaal in samskrit means Past Present And Future. > > I asked a very simle doubt to knowledgable Gurus > > WHAT IS TRIKAAL GYAN ? > > Is it the Knowledge of Past , present and future of a person in his > life time > or > Knowledge of His past birth, present birth and future birth ? > > I am yet to get answer from them. > > Will Some knowledgable friend here throw some more light on my > question ? > > I will be highly obliged. > > Rgds > VB/HT > > > > > > -- In , vineet sharma > <vineetkbc> wrote: > > Hi All > > > > I've been the member of your group for about a month. > > Out of curosity, i also asked a question, which, > > nevertheless, not replied by anybody. It was, > > regarding, of course, about my professtional career. > > > > I have also seen that almost everybody wants to know > > about the future (marg, etc.). > > > > But I have a question, is astrology also one of ways > > of finding out about someone's past life. If yes, then > > its an intersting question, i feel, isn't ?? > > > > If the answer is affirmative, then what i was in my > > previous birth - DOB: 25.03.1976 in delhi at 4.25 a.m. > > > > > > It would be pleasure, if you guys could enlighten on > > this issue of "knowldge of past life and astrology" > > > > thanks and regards > > > > vineet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 Dear Vineet Sharma! Your horoscope is the reflection of your past life and also the matrix of your future life as in the sphere of soul there is no any time or space. So take you horo - the sun (your vitality) and its position in the houses will be explanation of your nature and abilities - your inclinations in life and your profession also indicates your habits in previous life. The moon - your subconsciousness - will explain your inner emotions, adaptation. And all the planets will give you the characteristics of your nature (sometimes they may be hidden from you). The aspects will show you the problems which were successfully solved (good) or unsolved (tense) in the past lives. In your case (I'm working in western system of astrology) - the sun is the fire sign (aries) in 2nd house – is forming negative great cross (not so exact 90°) on the cardinal signs: pluto in libra (in 8th house), moon in capricorn (in 11th house), mars-saturn in cancer (in 5th-6th house). The cross means about some problems in your life that will influence in this life in the spheres of the above mentioned houses (2- financies, property, 5-6- arts, children, work, 8 – critical situations in life, spirituality, 11 – friendship). So I think that you previous life was related with wars and financies. And religion played great role in your life. Ketu in 3rd house in taurus – you are moveable person with ability to solve all the material problems in life, rahu in 9th house in scorpio – your desire is to become a teacher, to travel to the other countries and to have spiritual power. Best wishes. Lyudmila , vineet sharma <vineetkbc> wrote: > Hi All > > I've been the member of your group for about a month. > Out of curosity, i also asked a question, which, > nevertheless, not replied by anybody. It was, > regarding, of course, about my professtional career. > > I have also seen that almost everybody wants to know > about the future (marg, etc.). > > But I have a question, is astrology also one of ways > of finding out about someone's past life. If yes, then > its an intersting question, i feel, isn't ?? > > If the answer is affirmative, then what i was in my > previous birth - DOB: 25.03.1976 in delhi at 4.25 a.m. > > > It would be pleasure, if you guys could enlighten on > this issue of "knowldge of past life and astrology" > > thanks and regards > > vineet > > > > > > > Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year > http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 Lyudmila. Can u look at mine too. Dec 06/1958 at 2.01 AM Jodhour. India I think of changing my preofessioj from tax to Mkt Thx Raman lyudmila_31 [lyudmila_31 ]Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 10:32 AMSubject: Re: knowldge of past life and astrologyDear Vineet Sharma!Your horoscope is the reflection of your past life and also the matrix of your future life as in the sphere of soul there is no any time or space. So take you horo - the sun (your vitality) and its position in the houses will be explanation of your nature and abilities - your inclinations in life and your profession also indicates your habits in previous life.The moon - your subconsciousness - will explain your inner emotions, adaptation.And all the planets will give you the characteristics of your nature (sometimes they may be hidden from you).The aspects will show you the problems which were successfully solved (good) or unsolved (tense) in the past lives.In your case (I'm working in western system of astrology) - the sun is the fire sign (aries) in 2nd house – is forming negative great cross (not so exact 90°) on the cardinal signs: pluto in libra (in 8th house), moon in capricorn (in 11th house), mars-saturn in cancer (in 5th-6th house). The cross means about some problems in your life that will influence in this life in the spheres of the above mentioned houses (2- financies, property, 5-6- arts, children, work, 8 – critical situations in life, spirituality, 11 – friendship). So I think that you previous life was related with wars and financies. And religion played great role in your life. Ketu in 3rd house in taurus – you are moveable person with ability to solve all the material problems in life, rahu in 9th house in scorpio – your desire is to become a teacher, to travel to the other countries and to have spiritual power.Best wishes.Lyudmila--- In , vineet sharma <vineetkbc> wrote:> Hi All> > I've been the member of your group for about a month.> Out of curosity, i also asked a question, which,> nevertheless, not replied by anybody. It was,> regarding, of course, about my professtional career.> > I have also seen that almost everybody wants to know> about the future (marg, etc.). > > But I have a question, is astrology also one of ways> of finding out about someone's past life. If yes, then> its an intersting question, i feel, isn't ??> > If the answer is affirmative, then what i was in my> previous birth - DOB: 25.03.1976 in delhi at 4.25 a.m.> > > It would be pleasure, if you guys could enlighten on> this issue of "knowldge of past life and astrology"> > thanks and regards> > vineet> > > > > > Do you ?> Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year> http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 Dear Rohini Rajan ji and Hi All, I agree that in order to verify other lifetimes, one would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities. However, I feel, an astrologer must have both qualities - he must be a little bit psychic as well as possess spritual abilities. An important issue here is the possibility of knowing the past life based on your present astrological chart. I really have a strong feeling that one can find about the previous life of somebody based on present astrological chart. Coz the link may be as follows: A. We achieve/attain anything in this world, based on our previous birth's karmas; B. We can predict through astrological chart that what's going to happen in next, say, 10-15 days. Spritually speaking, I feel that, everybody...(repeating) everybody in this world is owing something in some manner/shape to some other person in one way or the other. If we say that we are sharing knowledge thru this mechanism, is not just a mere happening. This has to have happened, so is happening. In someway, we might have any link generated in any of our previous births that resulting in our present communication. When we know everything is fixed in this world..every second, it means what is happening today is the outcome/result of our earlier acts (might be related to our previous birth). My father has experienced this a bit. I just want to study about the "Tatkal Gyana" and I wish if we could really find out that can u see the past(not the future) based on our present astrological chart !!! regards vineet sharma --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > I never came across your question, maybe it was > before my time > (before I joined this list). If future can be > measured to some level > of certainty through astrology (or why else would we > be doing it!) > then it makes sense that past should be able to be > deciphered from > the horoscope. In fact since past is more certain > (already happened) > than future (which might engage free will and so > some flexibility > exists), when a jyotishi takes up a chart for a full > reading, it is > common practice to check out some of the past events > to verify the > horoscope. Anecdotally, it is heard that most > jyotishis are better > at deciphering the past than predicting the future! > > However, the past you talk about goes beyond this > lifetime and while > theoretically it should be able to be accomplished, > and there are > combinations in classics that point towards the > techniques for doing > so, it would not be easy to verify if the past-life > readings were > indeed true. Hence it remains in most cases a > curiosity that cannot > be proven. My suggestion is to focus on this > lifetime, first; gain > expertise in deciphering the past in this lifetime > and the future in > this lifetime first and then to move into the other > beads in the > necklace of the soul's journey (other lifetimes). > > In order to be able to decipher and verify other > lifetimes, one > would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities, > even then proving > something really happened could be tricky. > > Rohiniranjan > > > , vineet > sharma > <vineetkbc> wrote: > > Hi All > > > > I've been the member of your group for about a > month. > > Out of curosity, i also asked a question, which, > > nevertheless, not replied by anybody. It was, > > regarding, of course, about my professtional > career. > > > > I have also seen that almost everybody wants to > know > > about the future (marg, etc.). > > > > But I have a question, is astrology also one of > ways > > of finding out about someone's past life. If yes, > then > > its an intersting question, i feel, isn't ?? > > > > If the answer is affirmative, then what i was in > my > > previous birth - DOB: 25.03.1976 in delhi at 4.25 > a.m. > > > > > > It would be pleasure, if you guys could enlighten > on > > this issue of "knowldge of past life and > astrology" > > > > thanks and regards > > > > vineet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Hello, I was just thinking, the 5th house in a horoscope is indicative of the purva punya that we bring into this life .. from that point of view I feel even while predicting future of a person one should look at the aspects, lordship, ownership of the 5th house and try to conclude as to how much the native will prosper in a given field or aspect under scrutny.. Again, this house will show what kind of influences we have brought from the previous life .. I believe the actual events of the past life are unnecessary and cannot be determined ... I feel, that 5th (purva punya), 10th (Karma) 11th and 12th are important in judging future as well as the past ... Regarding the nadis ... there is a theory in yoga ... there are 3 nadis in human body, Ida, pingala and sushumna .. the left nostril and the right nostril provide prana vayu to Ida and pingala ... and when both ida and pingala are in synch (that is same amount of prana flows into them from each of the nostrils) the sushumna nadi is said to be awakened ... Hence pranayama is given a lot of importance in yogic practices because it regulates the amount of prana going into Ida and pingala ... the actual practice is not so simple as i mentioned .. it involves the mula bandha and the jalandhara bandha and then forcefully pushing the prana vayu into sushmna ... When sushumna is awakened .. the spiritual awakening starts in a person ... from then on as a person progresses all the siddhis are attained by the person .... it should be remembered that the siddhis are not the end point ... Again .. this is not the only way to awaken the sushumna .. there are meditative techniques as well .. It is also said that when we concentrate on the point between the eyebrows (sometimes called the 3rd eye chakra) we get the power of intution .. however it is not advised for the number of headaches it creates as well !! Doing navagraha puja regularly by visualizing the planets is very helpful in getting insights into horoscope as well !! ... I do believe that like any analytical skill that we acquire ... astrology should be learnt on the intellectual level to begin with and then heralded into the intutive level with experience and a change in our own nature ... it's like training a neural network ... no pains no gains !! --- vineet sharma <vineetkbc wrote: > Dear Rohini Rajan ji and Hi All, > > I agree that in order to verify other lifetimes, one > would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities. > However, I feel, an astrologer must have both > qualities - he must be a little bit psychic as well > as > possess spritual abilities. > > An important issue here is the possibility of > knowing > the past life based on your present astrological > chart. I really have a strong feeling that one can > find about the previous life of somebody based on > present astrological chart. Coz the link may be as > follows: > > A. We achieve/attain anything in this world, based > on > our previous birth's karmas; > > B. We can predict through astrological chart that > what's going to happen in next, say, 10-15 days. > > Spritually speaking, I feel that, > everybody...(repeating) everybody in this world is > owing something in some manner/shape to some other > person in one way or the other. If we say that we > are > sharing knowledge thru this mechanism, is not just a > mere happening. This has to have happened, so is > happening. In someway, we might have any link > generated in any of our previous births that > resulting > in our present communication. > > When we know everything is fixed in this > world..every > second, it means what is happening today is the > outcome/result of our earlier acts (might be related > to our previous birth). My father has experienced > this > a bit. > > I just want to study about the "Tatkal Gyana" and I > wish if we could really find out that can u see the > past(not the future) based on our present > astrological > chart !!! > > regards > > vineet sharma > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > > I never came across your question, maybe it was > > before my time > > (before I joined this list). If future can be > > measured to some level > > of certainty through astrology (or why else would > we > > be doing it!) > > then it makes sense that past should be able to be > > deciphered from > > the horoscope. In fact since past is more certain > > (already happened) > > than future (which might engage free will and so > > some flexibility > > exists), when a jyotishi takes up a chart for a > full > > reading, it is > > common practice to check out some of the past > events > > to verify the > > horoscope. Anecdotally, it is heard that most > > jyotishis are better > > at deciphering the past than predicting the > future! > > > > However, the past you talk about goes beyond this > > lifetime and while > > theoretically it should be able to be > accomplished, > > and there are > > combinations in classics that point towards the > > techniques for doing > > so, it would not be easy to verify if the > past-life > > readings were > > indeed true. Hence it remains in most cases a > > curiosity that cannot > > be proven. My suggestion is to focus on this > > lifetime, first; gain > > expertise in deciphering the past in this lifetime > > and the future in > > this lifetime first and then to move into the > other > > beads in the > > necklace of the soul's journey (other lifetimes). > > > > In order to be able to decipher and verify other > > lifetimes, one > > would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities, > > even then proving > > something really happened could be tricky. > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , vineet > > sharma > > <vineetkbc> wrote: > > > Hi All > > > > > > I've been the member of your group for about a > > month. > > > Out of curosity, i also asked a question, which, > > > nevertheless, not replied by anybody. It was, > > > regarding, of course, about my professtional > > career. > > > > > > I have also seen that almost everybody wants to > > know > > > about the future (marg, etc.). > > > > > > But I have a question, is astrology also one of > > ways > > > of finding out about someone's past life. If > yes, > > then > > > its an intersting question, i feel, isn't ?? > > > > > > If the answer is affirmative, then what i was in > > my > > > previous birth - DOB: 25.03.1976 in delhi at > 4.25 > > a.m. > > > > > > > > > It would be pleasure, if you guys could > enlighten > > on > > > this issue of "knowldge of past life and > > astrology" > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > vineet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Domains – Claim yours for only > $14.70/year > > > http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. 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Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Hello,I was just thinking, the 5th house in a horoscope isindicative of the purva punya that we bring into thislife .. from that point of view I feel even whilepredicting future of a person one should look at theaspects, lordship, ownership of the 5th house and tryto conclude as to how much the native will prosper ina given field or aspect under scrutny..Again, this house will show what kind of influences wehave brought from the previous life .. I believe theactual events of the past life are unnecessary andcannot be determined ... I feel, that 5th (purva punya), 10th (Karma) 11th and12th are important in judging future as well as thepast ... Regarding the nadis ... there is a theory in yoga ....there are 3 nadis in human body, Ida, pingala andsushumna .. the left nostril and the right nostrilprovide prana vayu to Ida and pingala ... and whenboth ida and pingala are in synch (that is same amountof prana flows into them from each of the nostrils)the sushumna nadi is said to be awakened ... Hence pranayama is given a lot of importance in yogicpractices because it regulates the amount of pranagoing into Ida and pingala ... the actual practice isnot so simple as i mentioned .. it involves the mulabandha and the jalandhara bandha and then forcefullypushing the prana vayu into sushmna ...When sushumna is awakened .. the spiritual awakeningstarts in a person ... from then on as a personprogresses all the siddhis are attained by the person... it should be remembered that the siddhis are notthe end point ...Again .. this is not the only way to awaken thesushumna .. there are meditative techniques as well ..It is also said that when we concentrate on the pointbetween the eyebrows (sometimes called the 3rd eyechakra) we get the power of intution .. however it isnot advised for the number of headaches it creates aswell !!Doing navagraha puja regularly by visualizing theplanets is very helpful in getting insights intohoroscope as well !! ... I do believe that like any analytical skill that weacquire ... astrology should be learnt on theintellectual level to begin with and then heraldedinto the intutive level with experience and a changein our own nature ... it's like training a neuralnetwork ... no pains no gains !!--- vineet sharma wrote:> Dear Rohini Rajan ji and Hi All, > > I agree that in order to verify other lifetimes, one> would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities.> However, I feel, an astrologer must have both> qualities - he must be a little bit psychic as well> as> possess spritual abilities. > > An important issue here is the possibility of> knowing> the past life based on your present astrological> chart. I really have a strong feeling that one can> find about the previous life of somebody based on> present astrological chart. Coz the link may be as> follows:> > A. We achieve/attain anything in this world, based> on> our previous birth's karmas;> > B. We can predict through astrological chart that> what's going to happen in next, say, 10-15 days. > > Spritually speaking, I feel that,> everybody...(repeating) everybody in this world is> owing something in some manner/shape to some other> person in one way or the other. If we say that we> are> sharing knowledge thru this mechanism, is not just a> mere happening. This has to have happened, so is> happening. In someway, we might have any link> generated in any of our previous births that> resulting> in our present communication. > > When we know everything is fixed in this> world..every> second, it means what is happening today is the> outcome/result of our earlier acts (might be related> to our previous birth). My father has experienced> this> a bit. > > I just want to study about the "Tatkal Gyana" and I> wish if we could really find out that can u see the> past(not the future) based on our present> astrological> chart !!!> > regards> > vineet sharma > > --- rohiniranjan wrote:> > I never came across your question, maybe it was> > before my time > > (before I joined this list). If future can be> > measured to some level > > of certainty through astrology (or why else would> we> > be doing it!) > > then it makes sense that past should be able to be> > deciphered from > > the horoscope. In fact since past is more certain> > (already happened) > > than future (which might engage free will and so> > some flexibility > > exists), when a jyotishi takes up a chart for a> full> > reading, it is > > common practice to check out some of the past> events> > to verify the > > horoscope. Anecdotally, it is heard that most> > jyotishis are better > > at deciphering the past than predicting the> future!> > > > However, the past you talk about goes beyond this> > lifetime and while > > theoretically it should be able to be> accomplished,> > and there are > > combinations in classics that point towards the> > techniques for doing > > so, it would not be easy to verify if the> past-life> > readings were > > indeed true. Hence it remains in most cases a> > curiosity that cannot > > be proven. My suggestion is to focus on this> > lifetime, first; gain > > expertise in deciphering the past in this lifetime> > and the future in > > this lifetime first and then to move into the> other> > beads in the > > necklace of the soul's journey (other lifetimes).> > > > In order to be able to decipher and verify other> > lifetimes, one > > would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities,> > even then proving > > something really happened could be tricky.> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > > > > , vineet> > sharma > > wrote:> > > Hi All> > > > > > I've been the member of your group for about a> > month.> > > Out of curosity, i also asked a question, which,> > > nevertheless, not replied by anybody. It was,> > > regarding, of course, about my professtional> > career.> > > > > > I have also seen that almost everybody wants to> > know> > > about the future (marg, etc.). > > > > > > But I have a question, is astrology also one of> > ways> > > of finding out about someone's past life. If> yes,> > then> > > its an intersting question, i feel, isn't ??> > > > > > If the answer is affirmative, then what i was in> > my> > > previous birth - DOB: 25.03.1976 in delhi at> 4.25> > a.m.> > > > > > > > > It would be pleasure, if you guys could> enlighten> > on> > > this issue of "knowldge of past life and> > astrology"> > > > > > thanks and regards> > > > > > vineet> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Domains – Claim yours for only> $14.70/year> > > http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer> > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger.> http://messenger./ > > > ------------------------ Sponsor> --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Companion> Toolbar.> Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free!>http://us.click./L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/C9XolB/TM>--~->> > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~> > Links> > > > > > Friends. Fun. 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Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 It will be helpful if you give ur birth details as well ! --- Syndhu <sindhu_b wrote: > I have mars and rahu in 5th house, what does it > mean? > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote:Hello, > > I was just thinking, the 5th house in a horoscope is > indicative of the purva punya that we bring into > this > life .. from that point of view I feel even while > predicting future of a person one should look at the > aspects, lordship, ownership of the 5th house and > try > to conclude as to how much the native will prosper > in > a given field or aspect under scrutny.. > > Again, this house will show what kind of influences > we > have brought from the previous life .. I believe the > actual events of the past life are unnecessary and > cannot be determined ... > > I feel, that 5th (purva punya), 10th (Karma) 11th > and > 12th are important in judging future as well as the > past ... > > Regarding the nadis ... there is a theory in yoga > ... > there are 3 nadis in human body, Ida, pingala and > sushumna .. the left nostril and the right nostril > provide prana vayu to Ida and pingala ... and when > both ida and pingala are in synch (that is same > amount > of prana flows into them from each of the nostrils) > the sushumna nadi is said to be awakened ... > Hence pranayama is given a lot of importance in > yogic > practices because it regulates the amount of prana > going into Ida and pingala ... the actual practice > is > not so simple as i mentioned .. it involves the mula > bandha and the jalandhara bandha and then forcefully > pushing the prana vayu into sushmna ... > > When sushumna is awakened .. the spiritual awakening > starts in a person ... from then on as a person > progresses all the siddhis are attained by the > person > ... it should be remembered that the siddhis are not > the end point ... > > Again .. this is not the only way to awaken the > sushumna .. there are meditative techniques as well > .. > > It is also said that when we concentrate on the > point > between the eyebrows (sometimes called the 3rd eye > chakra) we get the power of intution .. however it > is > not advised for the number of headaches it creates > as > well !! > > Doing navagraha puja regularly by visualizing the > planets is very helpful in getting insights into > horoscope as well !! ... > > I do believe that like any analytical skill that we > acquire ... astrology should be learnt on the > intellectual level to begin with and then heralded > into the intutive level with experience and a change > in our own nature ... it's like training a neural > network ... no pains no gains !! > > > --- vineet sharma wrote: > > Dear Rohini Rajan ji and Hi All, > > > > I agree that in order to verify other lifetimes, > one > > would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities. > > However, I feel, an astrologer must have both > > qualities - he must be a little bit psychic as > well > > as > > possess spritual abilities. > > > > An important issue here is the possibility of > > knowing > > the past life based on your present astrological > > chart. I really have a strong feeling that one can > > find about the previous life of somebody based on > > present astrological chart. Coz the link may be as > > follows: > > > > A. We achieve/attain anything in this world, based > > on > > our previous birth's karmas; > > > > B. We can predict through astrological chart that > > what's going to happen in next, say, 10-15 days. > > > > Spritually speaking, I feel that, > > everybody...(repeating) everybody in this world is > > owing something in some manner/shape to some other > > person in one way or the other. If we say that we > > are > > sharing knowledge thru this mechanism, is not just > a > > mere happening. This has to have happened, so is > > happening. In someway, we might have any link > > generated in any of our previous births that > > resulting > > in our present communication. > > > > When we know everything is fixed in this > > world..every > > second, it means what is happening today is the > > outcome/result of our earlier acts (might be > related > > to our previous birth). My father has experienced > > this > > a bit. > > > > I just want to study about the "Tatkal Gyana" and > I > > wish if we could really find out that can u see > the > > past(not the future) based on our present > > astrological > > chart !!! > > > > regards > > > > vineet sharma > > > > --- rohiniranjan wrote: > > > I never came across your question, maybe it was > > > before my time > > > (before I joined this list). If future can be > > > measured to some level > > > of certainty through astrology (or why else > would > > we > > > be doing it!) > > > then it makes sense that past should be able to > be > > > deciphered from > > > the horoscope. In fact since past is more > certain > > > (already happened) > > > than future (which might engage free will and so > > > some flexibility > > > exists), when a jyotishi takes up a chart for a > > full > > > reading, it is > > > common practice to check out some of the past > > events > > > to verify the > > > horoscope. Anecdotally, it is heard that most > > > jyotishis are better > > > at deciphering the past than predicting the > > future! > > > > > > However, the past you talk about goes beyond > this > > > lifetime and while > > > theoretically it should be able to be > > accomplished, > > > and there are > > > combinations in classics that point towards the > > > techniques for doing > > > so, it would not be easy to verify if the > > past-life > > > readings were > > > indeed true. Hence it remains in most cases a > > > curiosity that cannot > > > be proven. My suggestion is to focus on this > > > lifetime, first; gain > > > expertise in deciphering the past in this > lifetime > > > and the future in > > > this lifetime first and then to move into the > > other > > > beads in the > > > necklace of the soul's journey (other > lifetimes). > > > > > > In order to be able to decipher and verify other > > > lifetimes, one > > > would have to have psychic or spiritual > abilities, > > > even then proving > > > something really happened could be tricky. > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > === message truncated === Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Please reply, what does my Friend past shows from his horoscope 3-jul-77, 12.34pm DELHI-INDIA REGARDS --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > It will be helpful if you give ur birth details as > well ! > --- Syndhu <sindhu_b wrote: > > I have mars and rahu in 5th house, what does it > > mean? > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > > wrote:Hello, > > > > I was just thinking, the 5th house in a horoscope > is > > indicative of the purva punya that we bring into > > this > > life .. from that point of view I feel even while > > predicting future of a person one should look at > the > > aspects, lordship, ownership of the 5th house and > > try > > to conclude as to how much the native will prosper > > in > > a given field or aspect under scrutny.. > > > > Again, this house will show what kind of > influences > > we > > have brought from the previous life .. I believe > the > > actual events of the past life are unnecessary and > > cannot be determined ... > > > > I feel, that 5th (purva punya), 10th (Karma) 11th > > and > > 12th are important in judging future as well as > the > > past ... > > > > Regarding the nadis ... there is a theory in yoga > > ... > > there are 3 nadis in human body, Ida, pingala and > > sushumna .. the left nostril and the right nostril > > provide prana vayu to Ida and pingala ... and when > > both ida and pingala are in synch (that is same > > amount > > of prana flows into them from each of the > nostrils) > > the sushumna nadi is said to be awakened ... > > Hence pranayama is given a lot of importance in > > yogic > > practices because it regulates the amount of prana > > going into Ida and pingala ... the actual practice > > is > > not so simple as i mentioned .. it involves the > mula > > bandha and the jalandhara bandha and then > forcefully > > pushing the prana vayu into sushmna ... > > > > When sushumna is awakened .. the spiritual > awakening > > starts in a person ... from then on as a person > > progresses all the siddhis are attained by the > > person > > ... it should be remembered that the siddhis are > not > > the end point ... > > > > Again .. this is not the only way to awaken the > > sushumna .. there are meditative techniques as > well > > .. > > > > It is also said that when we concentrate on the > > point > > between the eyebrows (sometimes called the 3rd eye > > chakra) we get the power of intution .. however it > > is > > not advised for the number of headaches it creates > > as > > well !! > > > > Doing navagraha puja regularly by visualizing the > > planets is very helpful in getting insights into > > horoscope as well !! ... > > > > I do believe that like any analytical skill that > we > > acquire ... astrology should be learnt on the > > intellectual level to begin with and then heralded > > into the intutive level with experience and a > change > > in our own nature ... it's like training a neural > > network ... no pains no gains !! > > > > > > --- vineet sharma wrote: > > > Dear Rohini Rajan ji and Hi All, > > > > > > I agree that in order to verify other lifetimes, > > one > > > would have to have psychic or spiritual > abilities. > > > However, I feel, an astrologer must have both > > > qualities - he must be a little bit psychic as > > well > > > as > > > possess spritual abilities. > > > > > > An important issue here is the possibility of > > > knowing > > > the past life based on your present astrological > > > chart. I really have a strong feeling that one > can > > > find about the previous life of somebody based > on > > > present astrological chart. Coz the link may be > as > > > follows: > > > > > > A. We achieve/attain anything in this world, > based > > > on > > > our previous birth's karmas; > > > > > > B. We can predict through astrological chart > that > > > what's going to happen in next, say, 10-15 days. > > > > > > > Spritually speaking, I feel that, > > > everybody...(repeating) everybody in this world > is > > > owing something in some manner/shape to some > other > > > person in one way or the other. If we say that > we > > > are > > > sharing knowledge thru this mechanism, is not > just > > a > > > mere happening. This has to have happened, so is > > > happening. In someway, we might have any link > > > generated in any of our previous births that > > > resulting > > > in our present communication. > > > > > > When we know everything is fixed in this > > > world..every > > > second, it means what is happening today is the > > > outcome/result of our earlier acts (might be > > related > > > to our previous birth). My father has > experienced > > > this > > > a bit. > > > > > > I just want to study about the "Tatkal Gyana" > and > > I > > > wish if we could really find out that can u see > > the > > > past(not the future) based on our present > > > astrological > > > chart !!! > > > > > > regards > > > > > > vineet sharma > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan wrote: > > > > I never came across your question, maybe it > was > > > > before my time > > > > (before I joined this list). If future can be > > > > measured to some level > > > > of certainty through astrology (or why else > > would > > > we > > > > be doing it!) > > > > then it makes sense that past should be able > to > > be > > > > deciphered from > > > > the horoscope. In fact since past is more > > certain > > > > (already happened) > > > > than future (which might engage free will and > so > > > > some flexibility > > > > exists), when a jyotishi takes up a chart for > a > > > full > > > > reading, it is > > > > common practice to check out some of the past > > > events > > > > to verify the > > > > horoscope. Anecdotally, it is heard that most > > > > jyotishis are better > > > > at deciphering the past than predicting the > > > future! > > > > > > > > However, the past you talk about goes beyond > === message truncated === Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Dear Calla Raman! Please give the coordinates of place of birth. Lyudmila , "Calla, Raman" <rcalla@s...> wrote: > Lyudmila. > > Can u look at mine too. > Dec 06/1958 at 2.01 AM > Jodhour. India > > I think of changing my preofessioj from tax to Mkt > > Thx > > Raman > > > lyudmila_31 [lyudmila_31] > Monday, May 24, 2004 10:32 AM > > Re: knowldge of past life and astrology > > > Dear Vineet Sharma! > Your horoscope is the reflection of your past life and also the > matrix of your future life as in the sphere of soul there is no any > time or space. > So take you horo - the sun (your vitality) and its position in the > houses will be explanation of your nature and abilities - your > inclinations in life and your profession also indicates your habits > in previous life. > The moon - your subconsciousness - will explain your inner emotions, > adaptation. > And all the planets will give you the characteristics of your nature > (sometimes they may be hidden from you). > The aspects will show you the problems which were successfully solved > (good) or unsolved (tense) in the past lives. > > In your case (I'm working in western system of astrology) - the sun > is the fire sign (aries) in 2nd house - is forming negative great > cross (not so exact 90°) on the cardinal signs: pluto in libra (in > 8th house), moon in capricorn (in 11th house), mars-saturn in cancer > (in 5th-6th house). The cross means about some problems in your life > that will influence in this life in the spheres of the above > mentioned houses (2- financies, property, 5-6- arts, children, work, > 8 - critical situations in life, spirituality, 11 - friendship). So I > think that you previous life was related with wars and financies. And > religion played great role in your life. > Ketu in 3rd house in taurus - you are moveable person with ability to > solve all the material problems in life, rahu in 9th house in > scorpio - your desire is to > become a teacher, to travel to the other countries and to have > spiritual power. > > Best wishes. > Lyudmila > > , vineet sharma > <vineetkbc> wrote: > > Hi All > > > > I've been the member of your group for about a month. > > Out of curosity, i also asked a question, which, > > nevertheless, not replied by anybody. It was, > > regarding, of course, about my professtional career. > > > > I have also seen that almost everybody wants to know > > about the future (marg, etc.). > > > > But I have a question, is astrology also one of ways > > of finding out about someone's past life. If yes, then > > its an intersting question, i feel, isn't ?? > > > > If the answer is affirmative, then what i was in my > > previous birth - DOB: 25.03.1976 in delhi at 4.25 a.m. > > > > > > It would be pleasure, if you guys could enlighten on > > this issue of "knowldge of past life and astrology" > > > > thanks and regards > > > > vineet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > _____ > > Links > > > * > / > > > * > <? subject=Un> > > > * Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 My responses below for your kind perusal and consideration: , vineet sharma <vineetkbc> wrote: > Dear Rohini Rajan ji and Hi All, > > I agree that in order to verify other lifetimes, one > would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities. > However, I feel, an astrologer must have both > qualities - he must be a little bit psychic as well as > possess spritual abilities. > RR==> I have no problem with the jyotishi having intuitive powers etc or doing sadhna if it helps the client even more. Jyotish is anything but an intellectual exercise (although it sometimes gets used and portrayed that way). However, then one should be honest and call oneself a divinator. The monikker of jyotish/astrologer sort of implies that one is using only astrology. Sorry if I am being too anal :-) > An important issue here is the possibility of knowing > the past life based on your present astrological > chart. I really have a strong feeling that one can > find about the previous life of somebody based on > present astrological chart. Coz the link may be as > follows: > > A. We achieve/attain anything in this world, based on > our previous birth's karmas; > RR==> True perhaps, and conceptually comprehensible, particularly when viewed through our cultural learning. However, I have difficulty in conceptualizing that my current birthtime is only influenced by my previous birth. I have presumably had many births and maybe it is one of the many births that are now influencing a given experience in current birth. So, unless one can really take stock of all those births, using this amsha or that amsha+sun-ketu or whatever, the pattern that emerges though interesting might be as useful as already chewed-up piece of sugarcane! It is like seeing an image portrayed in 4-bit patterns -- kind of blotchy and with limited details possible. When dealing with something complex like past births and many of those, one probably needs to wait till they gain psychic sight so that they can see a true-colour version of the entire picture, rather than looking at some smokey bits and pieces and filling the gaps using one's imagination (hopefully not influenced by the smoke!) > B. We can predict through astrological chart that > what's going to happen in next, say, 10-15 days. > RR==> A claim that has not been demonstrated in a consistent predictable (sorry couldn't hold back) manner! Not even jyotishis of high calibre (giants) have been able to make that claim and demonstrate it to be the case in sufficient numbers. I am sorry if I am hurting your feelings or tarnishing your image of modern jyotish but that is true. And I am willing to consider proofs from anyone based on cold readings. > Spritually speaking, I feel that, > everybody...(repeating) everybody in this world is > owing something in some manner/shape to some other > person in one way or the other. If we say that we are > sharing knowledge thru this mechanism, is not just a > mere happening. This has to have happened, so is > happening. In someway, we might have any link > generated in any of our previous births that resulting > in our present communication. > RR==> Quite possible and understandable since we are a community and share karma which could explain shared fates of communities, towns, cultures, nations, humankind in general. This is my belief and not necessarily something that can be easily proven, though. > When we know everything is fixed in this world..every > second, it means what is happening today is the > outcome/result of our earlier acts (might be related > to our previous birth). My father has experienced this > a bit. > RR==> I would love to believe that because it would make life so much simpler. But it would also make it unnecessary for Nature to create knowledge like astrology and remedies (the raison d'etre for this group!). The existence of remedies call out loudly to me keywords like CHOICE, FREE-WILL, INITIATION, MOTIVATION etc. Why would my Father teach me how to bike if all He wanted me to get was exercise but not to leave the yard? A stationary exercise bike would have given me better exercise without letting me explore! Why does God save the best instances of serendipity, the best gifts of discovery and inventions for the minds that love to explore? Why don't the best things in the history of mankind have come to idiot savants? Or simply to idiots (using the term in its clinical sense!)? > I just want to study about the "Tatkal Gyana" and I > wish if we could really find out that can u see the > past(not the future) based on our present astrological > chart !!! > RR==> Me too! > regards > > vineet sharma > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > I never came across your question, maybe it was > > before my time > > (before I joined this list). If future can be > > measured to some level > > of certainty through astrology (or why else would we > > be doing it!) > > then it makes sense that past should be able to be > > deciphered from > > the horoscope. In fact since past is more certain > > (already happened) > > than future (which might engage free will and so > > some flexibility > > exists), when a jyotishi takes up a chart for a full > > reading, it is > > common practice to check out some of the past events > > to verify the > > horoscope. Anecdotally, it is heard that most > > jyotishis are better > > at deciphering the past than predicting the future! > > > > However, the past you talk about goes beyond this > > lifetime and while > > theoretically it should be able to be accomplished, > > and there are > > combinations in classics that point towards the > > techniques for doing > > so, it would not be easy to verify if the past-life > > readings were > > indeed true. Hence it remains in most cases a > > curiosity that cannot > > be proven. My suggestion is to focus on this > > lifetime, first; gain > > expertise in deciphering the past in this lifetime > > and the future in > > this lifetime first and then to move into the other > > beads in the > > necklace of the soul's journey (other lifetimes). > > > > In order to be able to decipher and verify other > > lifetimes, one > > would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities, > > even then proving > > something really happened could be tricky. > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , vineet > > sharma > > <vineetkbc> wrote: > > > Hi All > > > > > > I've been the member of your group for about a > > month. > > > Out of curosity, i also asked a question, which, > > > nevertheless, not replied by anybody. It was, > > > regarding, of course, about my professtional > > career. > > > > > > I have also seen that almost everybody wants to > > know > > > about the future (marg, etc.). > > > > > > But I have a question, is astrology also one of > > ways > > > of finding out about someone's past life. If yes, > > then > > > its an intersting question, i feel, isn't ?? > > > > > > If the answer is affirmative, then what i was in > > my > > > previous birth - DOB: 25.03.1976 in delhi at 4.25 > > a.m. > > > > > > > > > It would be pleasure, if you guys could enlighten > > on > > > this issue of "knowldge of past life and > > astrology" > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > vineet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > > http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 What you write, particularly towards the end of your email makes lot of sense to me, at least. Even scientific learning goes through a state of assimilation where the information is incorporated and synthesized and becomes knowledge. In that sense of the term 'intuition' there is nothing hocus pocus about it and no dakini/shakini/karnapishachinis are whispering the nectar of knowledge in one's ears. Actually, I have no problem if someone chooses that path. We all know of Sri Krishnamurthi's (KP fame) successful horary predictions and his self-admitted worship and blessings from Uchhistha Ganapati. I know, personally, of an astrologer who simply called the deity/being babaji and used an elaborate procedure to visualize scenes in his thumb-nail with astrounding success. He never claimed to be a jyotishi even though his knowledge of jyotish was in my humble opinion better than many others I have met or read later on. A very revered jyotishi of modern times has publicly admitted on a list that he meditates on a chart before he goes to bed and images emerge. I don't believe he has visions, but he knows so much of astrology and so well that to him the astroindicators are not impersonal, objective symbols anymore but become part of his being. The car becomes an extension of an accomplished driver, a knife and forceps becomes an extension of the body of a surgeon, particularly the surgeons that use surgical instruments that are not manipulated directly but through an interface (telesurgery, laser surgery etc) The sensation of the body extends out of the body into the tip of the instrument, it seems. Why can the same not happen to a jyotishi who has immersed his being into the study of the discipline? I have no proof for this but I think past good deeds arrive to us through two portals, the ninth that is our bhagya -- the fruit is ripe, and the fifth which brings the influences that we should then utilize to improve our future (lifetimes). The analogy with one's father and one's son is there. We cannot change our father much, but with a son, we get a chance to do better, to invest more punya and so on. Both, father and son come to us due to our past deeds, but the outcome of each is different and the purpose of receiving the two gifts in each of our lives is different. RR -- In , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Hello, > > I was just thinking, the 5th house in a horoscope is > indicative of the purva punya that we bring into this > life .. from that point of view I feel even while > predicting future of a person one should look at the > aspects, lordship, ownership of the 5th house and try > to conclude as to how much the native will prosper in > a given field or aspect under scrutny.. > > Again, this house will show what kind of influences we > have brought from the previous life .. I believe the > actual events of the past life are unnecessary and > cannot be determined ... > > I feel, that 5th (purva punya), 10th (Karma) 11th and > 12th are important in judging future as well as the > past ... > > Regarding the nadis ... there is a theory in yoga ... > there are 3 nadis in human body, Ida, pingala and > sushumna .. the left nostril and the right nostril > provide prana vayu to Ida and pingala ... and when > both ida and pingala are in synch (that is same amount > of prana flows into them from each of the nostrils) > the sushumna nadi is said to be awakened ... > Hence pranayama is given a lot of importance in yogic > practices because it regulates the amount of prana > going into Ida and pingala ... the actual practice is > not so simple as i mentioned .. it involves the mula > bandha and the jalandhara bandha and then forcefully > pushing the prana vayu into sushmna ... > > When sushumna is awakened .. the spiritual awakening > starts in a person ... from then on as a person > progresses all the siddhis are attained by the person > ... it should be remembered that the siddhis are not > the end point ... > > Again .. this is not the only way to awaken the > sushumna .. there are meditative techniques as well .. > > It is also said that when we concentrate on the point > between the eyebrows (sometimes called the 3rd eye > chakra) we get the power of intution .. however it is > not advised for the number of headaches it creates as > well !! > > Doing navagraha puja regularly by visualizing the > planets is very helpful in getting insights into > horoscope as well !! ... > > I do believe that like any analytical skill that we > acquire ... astrology should be learnt on the > intellectual level to begin with and then heralded > into the intutive level with experience and a change > in our own nature ... it's like training a neural > network ... no pains no gains !! > > > --- vineet sharma <vineetkbc> wrote: > > Dear Rohini Rajan ji and Hi All, > > > > I agree that in order to verify other lifetimes, one > > would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities. > > However, I feel, an astrologer must have both > > qualities - he must be a little bit psychic as well > > as > > possess spritual abilities. > > > > An important issue here is the possibility of > > knowing > > the past life based on your present astrological > > chart. I really have a strong feeling that one can > > find about the previous life of somebody based on > > present astrological chart. Coz the link may be as > > follows: > > > > A. We achieve/attain anything in this world, based > > on > > our previous birth's karmas; > > > > B. We can predict through astrological chart that > > what's going to happen in next, say, 10-15 days. > > > > Spritually speaking, I feel that, > > everybody...(repeating) everybody in this world is > > owing something in some manner/shape to some other > > person in one way or the other. If we say that we > > are > > sharing knowledge thru this mechanism, is not just a > > mere happening. This has to have happened, so is > > happening. In someway, we might have any link > > generated in any of our previous births that > > resulting > > in our present communication. > > > > When we know everything is fixed in this > > world..every > > second, it means what is happening today is the > > outcome/result of our earlier acts (might be related > > to our previous birth). My father has experienced > > this > > a bit. > > > > I just want to study about the "Tatkal Gyana" and I > > wish if we could really find out that can u see the > > past(not the future) based on our present > > astrological > > chart !!! > > > > regards > > > > vineet sharma > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > I never came across your question, maybe it was > > > before my time > > > (before I joined this list). If future can be > > > measured to some level > > > of certainty through astrology (or why else would > > we > > > be doing it!) > > > then it makes sense that past should be able to be > > > deciphered from > > > the horoscope. In fact since past is more certain > > > (already happened) > > > than future (which might engage free will and so > > > some flexibility > > > exists), when a jyotishi takes up a chart for a > > full > > > reading, it is > > > common practice to check out some of the past > > events > > > to verify the > > > horoscope. Anecdotally, it is heard that most > > > jyotishis are better > > > at deciphering the past than predicting the > > future! > > > > > > However, the past you talk about goes beyond this > > > lifetime and while > > > theoretically it should be able to be > > accomplished, > > > and there are > > > combinations in classics that point towards the > > > techniques for doing > > > so, it would not be easy to verify if the > > past-life > > > readings were > > > indeed true. Hence it remains in most cases a > > > curiosity that cannot > > > be proven. My suggestion is to focus on this > > > lifetime, first; gain > > > expertise in deciphering the past in this lifetime > > > and the future in > > > this lifetime first and then to move into the > > other > > > beads in the > > > necklace of the soul's journey (other lifetimes). > > > > > > In order to be able to decipher and verify other > > > lifetimes, one > > > would have to have psychic or spiritual abilities, > > > even then proving > > > something really happened could be tricky. > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > , vineet > > > sharma > > > <vineetkbc> wrote: > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > I've been the member of your group for about a > > > month. > > > > Out of curosity, i also asked a question, which, > > > > nevertheless, not replied by anybody. It was, > > > > regarding, of course, about my professtional > > > career. > > > > > > > > I have also seen that almost everybody wants to > > > know > > > > about the future (marg, etc.). > > > > > > > > But I have a question, is astrology also one of > > > ways > > > > of finding out about someone's past life. If > > yes, > > > then > > > > its an intersting question, i feel, isn't ?? > > > > > > > > If the answer is affirmative, then what i was in > > > my > > > > previous birth - DOB: 25.03.1976 in delhi at > > 4.25 > > > a.m. > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be pleasure, if you guys could > > enlighten > > > on > > > > this issue of "knowldge of past life and > > > astrology" > > > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > > > > > > vineet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Domains – Claim yours for only > > $14.70/year > > > > http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. 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Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Rohiniji, It was a good insight inot the 5th and 9th !! .. but wouldnt the 3rd get involved as well as an indicator of the mother? Just curious ! I know exactly what you are talking about when you talk about an extension of the self into other relms .... If you realise, most of the successful men of the world have extended themselves into what they pursue with passion and make it their way of life ... I guess that's why you find an astrologer claiming that "astrology is a way of life" ..a homeopath claiming that "Homeopathy is a way of life" .. and so forth ... often these people need a very supportive surrounding to help them pursue their lives ... But to my mind ... it's not the passion for a single thing but a balanced approach to everyting in ones life that is the correct path to salvation !! ... at least being a part time astrology enthusiast I have to live with my limited time devoted to it and yet be succesful to a good degree to satisfy my ego --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > What you write, particularly towards the end of your > email makes lot > of sense to me, at least. Even scientific learning > goes through a > state of assimilation where the information is > incorporated and > synthesized and becomes knowledge. In that sense of > the > term 'intuition' there is nothing hocus pocus about > it and no > dakini/shakini/karnapishachinis are whispering the > nectar of > knowledge in one's ears. Actually, I have no problem > if someone > chooses that path. We all know of Sri > Krishnamurthi's (KP fame) > successful horary predictions and his self-admitted > worship and > blessings from Uchhistha Ganapati. I know, > personally, of an > astrologer who simply called the deity/being babaji > and used an > elaborate procedure to visualize scenes in his > thumb-nail with > astrounding success. He never claimed to be a > jyotishi even though > his knowledge of jyotish was in my humble opinion > better than many > others I have met or read later on. A very revered > jyotishi of > modern times has publicly admitted on a list that he > meditates on a > chart before he goes to bed and images emerge. I > don't believe he > has visions, but he knows so much of astrology and > so well that to > him the astroindicators are not impersonal, > objective symbols > anymore but become part of his being. The car > becomes an extension > of an accomplished driver, a knife and forceps > becomes an extension > of the body of a surgeon, particularly the surgeons > that use > surgical instruments that are not manipulated > directly but through > an interface (telesurgery, laser surgery etc) The > sensation of the > body extends out of the body into the tip of the > instrument, it > seems. Why can the same not happen to a jyotishi who > has immersed > his being into the study of the discipline? > > I have no proof for this but I think past good deeds > arrive to us > through two portals, the ninth that is our bhagya -- > the fruit is > ripe, and the fifth which brings the influences that > we should then > utilize to improve our future (lifetimes). The > analogy with one's > father and one's son is there. We cannot change our > father much, but > with a son, we get a chance to do better, to invest > more punya and > so on. Both, father and son come to us due to our > past deeds, but > the outcome of each is different and the purpose of > receiving the > two gifts in each of our lives is different. > RR > > > > -- In , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I was just thinking, the 5th house in a horoscope > is > > indicative of the purva punya that we bring into > this > > life .. from that point of view I feel even while > > predicting future of a person one should look at > the > > aspects, lordship, ownership of the 5th house and > try > > to conclude as to how much the native will prosper > in > > a given field or aspect under scrutny.. > > > > Again, this house will show what kind of > influences we > > have brought from the previous life .. I believe > the > > actual events of the past life are unnecessary and > > cannot be determined ... > > > > I feel, that 5th (purva punya), 10th (Karma) 11th > and > > 12th are important in judging future as well as > the > > past ... > > > > Regarding the nadis ... there is a theory in yoga > ... > > there are 3 nadis in human body, Ida, pingala and > > sushumna .. the left nostril and the right nostril > > provide prana vayu to Ida and pingala ... and when > > both ida and pingala are in synch (that is same > amount > > of prana flows into them from each of the > nostrils) > > the sushumna nadi is said to be awakened ... > > Hence pranayama is given a lot of importance in > yogic > > practices because it regulates the amount of prana > > going into Ida and pingala ... the actual practice > is > > not so simple as i mentioned .. it involves the > mula > > bandha and the jalandhara bandha and then > forcefully > > pushing the prana vayu into sushmna ... > > > > When sushumna is awakened .. the spiritual > awakening > > starts in a person ... from then on as a person > > progresses all the siddhis are attained by the > person > > ... it should be remembered that the siddhis are > not > > the end point ... > > > > Again .. this is not the only way to awaken the > > sushumna .. there are meditative techniques as > well .. > > > > It is also said that when we concentrate on the > point > > between the eyebrows (sometimes called the 3rd eye > > chakra) we get the power of intution .. however it > is > > not advised for the number of headaches it creates > as > > well !! > > > > Doing navagraha puja regularly by visualizing the > > planets is very helpful in getting insights into > > horoscope as well !! ... > > > > I do believe that like any analytical skill that > we > > acquire ... astrology should be learnt on the > > intellectual level to begin with and then heralded > > into the intutive level with experience and a > change > > in our own nature ... it's like training a neural > > network ... no pains no gains !! > > > > > > --- vineet sharma <vineetkbc> wrote: > > > Dear Rohini Rajan ji and Hi All, > > > > > > I agree that in order to verify other lifetimes, > one > > > would have to have psychic or spiritual > abilities. > > > However, I feel, an astrologer must have both > > > qualities - he must be a little bit psychic as > well > > > as > > > possess spritual abilities. > > > > > > An important issue here is the possibility of > > > knowing > > > the past life based on your present astrological > > > chart. I really have a strong feeling that one > can > > > find about the previous life of somebody based > on > > > present astrological chart. Coz the link may be > as > > > follows: > > > > > > A. We achieve/attain anything in this world, > based > > > on > > > our previous birth's karmas; > > > > > > B. We can predict through astrological chart > that > > > what's going to happen in next, say, 10-15 days. > > > > > > > Spritually speaking, I feel that, > > > everybody...(repeating) everybody in this world > is > > > owing something in some manner/shape to some > other > === message truncated === Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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