Dashas and Transits (Revised reposting)

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Tanvir,

 

This article has been beautifully put. Thanks!

 

I was just getting curious about one thing .. can we

further sub divide the dasas into the period in

question and give better predictions than even looking

at Transits??

 

say looking at sub dasas upto 5th or even 6th level?

 

I have been vary of using transits because it hugely

confuses me to correlate the natal with the transits

and judge the actual effect of planets in a given time

!

 

Thanks !

Surya.

 

 

--- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana

wrote:

> Dasha system is the unique system and among the ways

> to interprete a

> chart that makes Vedic Astrology different from

> other astrlogy

> systems like Western Astrology etc. Like D-charts,

> the Dasha is one

> of those pillers that make Vedic Astrology glorious

> and respectable.

> Transits can be supported by some scientific

> appraoch to affect our

> mind and body etc., but the science today did not

> get the maturity

> yet to explain the base of the Dasha systems. The

> whole 'Table' of

> Vimsottari Dasha can not be explained by any

> scientific approach by

> any scientists but it makes us amazed to see how

> accurately it works.

>

> When we see the whole 'Table' or 'Structure' of

> Vimsottari Dasha then

> we can understand by our simple common sense that

> Vedic Astrology is

> something which can not be derived by any human

> research or anything -

> there must be some divine source from the creator

> himself we got it

> from. Even if it has some undertandable scientific

> base, how could

> they discover it in that early time, without the

> special help or

> guidance of the God?

>

> Thus, Dasha system, makes Vedic Astrology

> respectable and proves it's

> divinity and shows it's spiritual values.

>

> Other Dasha systems are more amazing, more

> complicated... where the

> whole bunch of scientists would pass their lives in

> research but

> could develop no scientific analysis to support

> them, surely.

>

> Now about transits.

>

> Most of the people swear on the importance of

> Transits for the sake

> of accuratly predicting an event. Most of the people

> I see, use

> tarnsits with the second level accuracy of

> Vimsottari Dasha, that is,

> the Anter Dashas / bhuktis. (ADs.) Like An AD runs

> for 2 years and in

> the 2 years they try to figure out when marriage can

> take place, with

> the help of transits.

>

> But it would not be wise to stop in the second level

> on Dasha and to

> depend on Transit for accuracy since the 5th level

> of Dashas can be

> used. For the accuracy of birth time, 4th and 5th

> levels are little

> difficult to use, but the 3rd level (Pratyantars -

> PDs) can be used

> to look further accurately into ADs (Anter Dashas)

> and that would

> give very good result.

>

> Now, even a PD can run for 4/5 months. In that case,

> the transit can

> be used to get into more accuracy again to try to

> figure out when

> something positive / negative can happen. But it

> would be really

> unwise to go only upto ADs and then consider

> transits for more

> accuracy, like many do.

>

> When from my past life, I try to analyze any major /

> semi-major /

> notable event of my life, I can do that with good

> success with the

> help of MD-AD-PD only, and without the help of

> transits. PDs are

> found very much useful by me, to figure out more

> accurately about a

> positive / negative event in an AD.

>

> Now, can transit deny Dashas? My personal opinion

> would be a simple

> yet firm, 'No, never'. Transit can not go against

> the AD, but can

> only modify it to some extent. So, how much? It will

> depend on the

> other factors like PDs and the length of the time

> periods involved.

> Sun MDs (Maha Dashas) are short and the sub-periods

> (AD, PD) under

> Sun MDs are also short. On the other hand, opposite

> goes about a

> Venus MD.

>

> AD can not be modified / denied by a transit that

> much, but only to

> some extent. The most important thing an AD would be

> coloured up by,

> is the PDs. Positive / negative things in an AD

> happens in the

> supportive PD and not for transit only. (I mean the

> 'Timing' here.)

> PDs, as are the 3rd level of a Dasha, and are short

> in general, can

> be modified a lot by the Transits. But not the AD

> can be modified

> that much, transits can add/lessen the ADs, but only

> upto certain,

> (depending on the PD again) but can not really ever

> deny it.

>

> Now PDs are affected most by the transits. But how

> much? As I said,

> in Merc or Ve MD, a PD can run even 4/5/6 months.

> And for that,

> Transit again will fail to deny it totally. Rather

> we can look into

> PD with transit to time something more clearly. Like

> a PD runs for 4

> months, then we can look into these 4 months with

> transit to see when

> the marriage can occur, for a positive timing of the

> transit. But if

> the AD and PD gives something good, transit can not

> deny it totally /

> stop it from happening. It can only lessen the good

> to some extent.

> But not against of AD, PD.

>

> Now, a long PD will be less impacted by the transit,

> on the other

> hand a short PD of 20 days will be more affected by

> transit than the

> long one would be. But still, PD will prevail more.

> Well if there is

> a very weak good PD + very strong bad transit, then

> it is otherwise,

> but that is only expection. Even in that exception,

> the transit can

> not go against AD (Or MD, out of question) and thus

> Dasha always

> dominates.

>

> If transit was powerful enough to dominate Dashas,

> the 'How is your

> day' colums of the newspapers would be true than

> anything, and then,

> all the people would divide into only 12 parts and

> only 12 kind of

> things would happen to the all the population. But

> even with same

> Lagna / moon sign, people experience totally

> different kind of

> experience through the day, and that can be

> explained by the

> different level of MD-AD-PD of people. There happens

> a lot types of

> things in people's lives and not only 12 types of

> things crudely.

>

> AD can not cross the boundary of MD, and both the PD

> and TR can not

> cross the boundary of AD. In a very bad MD related

> to 4th house, a

> man can not own a house even he is running a good

> AD. He might live

> in a house with basic comfort. Similarly, in a very

> good MD, a bad AD

> can not make a man lose all his properties. But bad

> MD + bad AD can

> make him stay on footpath with no home to stay.

>

> On the other hand, under a good AD, a bad PD can

> only give minor

> troubles related to home, like the water supply is

> not working well,

> or electricity failure, or the A/C is not working

> well, etc. etc. And

> this would intensify in bad transits but a bad

> transit can not again

> cross the boundary / limit of AD.

>

> Like as an example, my 9th lord Venus is

> directionally strong in the

> 4th house, house of residence. In Venus AD, it made

> me live in a

> luxurious house in a good area, with good

> facilities. It did not give

> me any problem about house or residence. But in Rahu

> AD, all the AD

> long I left my father's home, and lived in very

> simple

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Dear Tanvir,

As per KP steller astrology where stars and sub star are used for

prediction and transits, it is concluded that dasa results will

invariably match with transit results. These dont cotradict or

support each other. They simply match.

In KP Star lord is compared to dasa sub lord to bhkti and sub-sub to

anthra. As per KP system there can never be mismatch between two

results. Thus we do not say that transit results willbe available if

dasa results are favourable.

Inder

 

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> Dasha system is the unique system and among the ways to interprete

a

> chart that makes Vedic Astrology different from other astrlogy

> systems like Western Astrology etc. Like D-charts, the Dasha is

one

> of those pillers that make Vedic Astrology glorious and

respectable.

> Transits can be supported by some scientific appraoch to affect

our

> mind and body etc., but the science today did not get the maturity

> yet to explain the base of the Dasha systems. The whole 'Table' of

> Vimsottari Dasha can not be explained by any scientific approach

by

> any scientists but it makes us amazed to see how accurately it

works.

>

> When we see the whole 'Table' or 'Structure' of Vimsottari Dasha

then

> we can understand by our simple common sense that Vedic Astrology

is

> something which can not be derived by any human research or

anything -

> there must be some divine source from the creator himself we got

it

> from. Even if it has some undertandable scientific base, how could

> they discover it in that early time, without the special help or

> guidance of the God?

>

> Thus, Dasha system, makes Vedic Astrology respectable and proves

it's

> divinity and shows it's spiritual values.

>

> Other Dasha systems are more amazing, more complicated... where

the

> whole bunch of scientists would pass their lives in research but

> could develop no scientific analysis to support them, surely.

>

> Now about transits.

>

> Most of the people swear on the importance of Transits for the

sake

> of accuratly predicting an event. Most of the people I see, use

> tarnsits with the second level accuracy of Vimsottari Dasha, that

is,

> the Anter Dashas / bhuktis. (ADs.) Like An AD runs for 2 years and

in

> the 2 years they try to figure out when marriage can take place,

with

> the help of transits.

>

> But it would not be wise to stop in the second level on Dasha and

to

> depend on Transit for accuracy since the 5th level of Dashas can

be

> used. For the accuracy of birth time, 4th and 5th levels are

little

> difficult to use, but the 3rd level (Pratyantars - PDs) can be

used

> to look further accurately into ADs (Anter Dashas) and that would

> give very good result.

>

> Now, even a PD can run for 4/5 months. In that case, the transit

can

> be used to get into more accuracy again to try to figure out when

> something positive / negative can happen. But it would be really

> unwise to go only upto ADs and then consider transits for more

> accuracy, like many do.

>

> When from my past life, I try to analyze any major / semi-major /

> notable event of my life, I can do that with good success with the

> help of MD-AD-PD only, and without the help of transits. PDs are

> found very much useful by me, to figure out more accurately about

a

> positive / negative event in an AD.

>

> Now, can transit deny Dashas? My personal opinion would be a

simple

> yet firm, 'No, never'. Transit can not go against the AD, but can

> only modify it to some extent. So, how much? It will depend on the

> other factors like PDs and the length of the time periods

involved.

> Sun MDs (Maha Dashas) are short and the sub-periods (AD, PD) under

> Sun MDs are also short. On the other hand, opposite goes about a

> Venus MD.

>

> AD can not be modified / denied by a transit that much, but only

to

> some extent. The most important thing an AD would be coloured up

by,

> is the PDs. Positive / negative things in an AD happens in the

> supportive PD and not for transit only. (I mean the 'Timing'

here.)

> PDs, as are the 3rd level of a Dasha, and are short in general,

can

> be modified a lot by the Transits. But not the AD can be modified

> that much, transits can add/lessen the ADs, but only upto certain,

> (depending on the PD again) but can not really ever deny it.

>

> Now PDs are affected most by the transits. But how much? As I

said,

> in Merc or Ve MD, a PD can run even 4/5/6 months. And for that,

> Transit again will fail to deny it totally. Rather we can look

into

> PD with transit to time something more clearly. Like a PD runs for

4

> months, then we can look into these 4 months with transit to see

when

> the marriage can occur, for a positive timing of the transit. But

if

> the AD and PD gives something good, transit can not deny it

totally /

> stop it from happening. It can only lessen the good to some

extent.

> But not against of AD, PD.

>

> Now, a long PD will be less impacted by the transit, on the other

> hand a short PD of 20 days will be more affected by transit than

the

> long one would be. But still, PD will prevail more. Well if there

is

> a very weak good PD + very strong bad transit, then it is

otherwise,

> but that is only expection. Even in that exception, the transit

can

> not go against AD (Or MD, out of question) and thus Dasha always

> dominates.

>

> If transit was powerful enough to dominate Dashas, the 'How is

your

> day' colums of the newspapers would be true than anything, and

then,

> all the people would divide into only 12 parts and only 12 kind of

> things would happen to the all the population. But even with same

> Lagna / moon sign, people experience totally different kind of

> experience through the day, and that can be explained by the

> different level of MD-AD-PD of people. There happens a lot types

of

> things in people's lives and not only 12 types of things crudely.

>

> AD can not cross the boundary of MD, and both the PD and TR can

not

> cross the boundary of AD. In a very bad MD related to 4th house, a

> man can not own a house even he is running a good AD. He might

live

> in a house with basic comfort. Similarly, in a very good MD, a bad

AD

> can not make a man lose all his properties. But bad MD + bad AD

can

> make him stay on footpath with no home to stay.

>

> On the other hand, under a good AD, a bad PD can only give minor

> troubles related to home, like the water supply is not working

well,

> or electricity failure, or the A/C is not working well, etc. etc.

And

> this would intensify in bad transits but a bad transit can not

again

> cross the boundary / limit of AD.

>

> Like as an example, my 9th lord Venus is directionally strong in

the

> 4th house, house of residence. In Venus AD, it made me live in a

> luxurious house in a good area, with good facilities. It did not

give

> me any problem about house or residence. But in Rahu AD, all the

AD

> long I left my father's home, and lived in very simple house

> independantly, which only provided me basic facilities but no

luxury.

> Because Rahu co rules the 6th house in my chart, so struggle, and

is

> in 10th, house of status, and it's dispositor Mercury being

afflicted

> in 4th house, house of residence. So some struggle about residence

> and loss of status would be there in Rahu AD. Also, as I said,

Rahu

> AD's residence problem was intensified in the Saturn PD, all

Saturn

> PD I lived in a house that had no timely water supply, and it was

a

> great problem! So bad AD + bad PD = very bad ! But after Saturn PD

> was over, it came my Mercury AD under Rahu AD, and I changed my

house

> and came to a lot better house of all necessary facilities! Then

> Venus PD under Rahu AD gave me some other positive things, but

this

> Venus PD did not / could not give me a residence I enjoyed in

Venus

> AD! Because whatever, Venus PD can not go against Rahu AD but

makes

> it a little better, on the other hand Saturn PD, un Rahu AD makes

it

> worse! Because Saturn is the ruler of the 6th house, ie struggle.

>

> So we see how PDs work under ADs. Now all these things happened in

my

> Merury MD. But, would the Rahu AD under Venus MD be so bad about

> residence? No, because Rahu AD would not be able to do much harm

> under Venus MD. Thus PDs can not go against ADs and ADs can not go

> against MDs. But they modify each others a lot.

>

> When we see the sages like Parasara and Jamini, telling about the

> timings, remedies, effects of planets etc., we always see them

> talking about different Dashas and not about transits. Parasara

seems

> to stress on Vimsottari here, while Jaimini talks about Rashi

dashas.

> Now, being created by the God, trying to fight against the God is

> silly. Same way, fighting with the sages denying their basic rules

> would not be good, since they introduced us the Jyotish, not the

> ordinary people who disagreeing to them did. Seeing the structure

of

> Vedic Astrology, it is clear that there is a divine source behind

it.

> It can not be developed by any research / manly effort. That is

why

> denying their principles is not wise.

>

> If ordinary people were talended enough to deny their principles,

> they could make some different astrology of their own which would

be

> better than the pure Vedic Astrology. But no, they could not.

Science

> is getting developed day by day, and with that, people's spiritual

> vision is getting blurred more and more, and they are blaming

> astrology to be a superstition and remaining confused in the same

> circle.

>

> Now my another beginner-like view on a different matter. Will a

moola

> trikona-ed 8th lord be always bad? No. There are views that a

moola

> trikona 8th / 6th / 12th lord will always hamper a house all

> significations in all the ways, and I find it not to be right, and

> these kind of theories are there to confuse us beginners a lot and

> waste a lot of time of us to understand the basics. 8th lord have

> many good things like spiritual understanding, and materially,

gain

> without labour. It will depend on the position of the 8th lord /

> planets in 8th house what might be happen. But 8th lord is not

> malefic about everything, no lord is! An 8th lord exalted in 5th

can

> give lottery winning. 8th lord=gain without labour, 5th

> house=lotteries. But it would give loneliness, because 8th lord is

> strong, and it would also make the person be cheated, if the 8th

lord

> afflicts a lot of planets. On the other hand an 8th lord in 12th

> house would be supportive to have an enjoyable life. Because 8th

lord

> becomes weak going to 12th house, well he can be insulted in

foreign,

> because 8th lord=insult, 12th house=foreign, so his foreign

travels

> might not be smooth always. 8th lord in 10th on the other hand,

can

> make a person make much effort with less success. It will depend

on

> the nature of the planets and houses concerned and also the

strength

> etc. 8th lord in 10th, if afflicted, might give blame, insult, and

> rumours in profession, work place and can give lack of honour and

> humiliation in work place and career. This is because 10th

> house=workplace and 8th lord=humiliation and insult etc, among

it's

> other significations. And for the bad result 8th lord will have to

be

> ill placed. So one fact does not tell anything finally.

>

> Thus an 8th lord transit can show the timing of a huge unexpected

> gain if the natal chart and levels of Dashas promiss so. An 8th

lord

> corssing over the 1st house can indicate good spiritual growth

than

> simple accidents, if Ju and Ketu are related. Of course, the natal

> chart+Dashas have to promiss, too. Otherwise nothing will happen.

>

> Thanks and regards,

> Tanvir Chowdhury.

>

> Revised 21 May 2004.

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Hello Inder,

 

I am not familiar with the KP system, however this is

interesting ... because Transits are something that

can be predicted since they involve the movements of

the planets across the Zodiac ...

 

However Dasas, as Tanvir had mentioned cannot be

computed scientifically and have to be taken based on

the period assigned to planets by the sages ...

 

How are we forging them both?? Just curious !! is my

understanding of transits wrong?? or is there some way

of rationalizing say a 10 year long chandra dasa when

Moon makes a full revolution every fortnight !!

please correct me !

 

Surya.

 

--- Inder <indervohra2001 wrote:

> Dear Tanvir,

> As per KP steller astrology where stars and sub star

> are used for

> prediction and transits, it is concluded that dasa

> results will

> invariably match with transit results. These dont

> cotradict or

> support each other. They simply match.

> In KP Star lord is compared to dasa sub lord to

> bhkti and sub-sub to

> anthra. As per KP system there can never be mismatch

> between two

> results. Thus we do not say that transit results

> willbe available if

> dasa results are favourable.

> Inder

>

> , "Tanvir

> Chowdhury"

> <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > Dasha system is the unique system and among the

> ways to interprete

> a

> > chart that makes Vedic Astrology different from

> other astrlogy

> > systems like Western Astrology etc. Like D-charts,

> the Dasha is

> one

> > of those pillers that make Vedic Astrology

> glorious and

> respectable.

> > Transits can be supported by some scientific

> appraoch to affect

> our

> > mind and body etc., but the science today did not

> get the maturity

> > yet to explain the base of the Dasha systems. The

> whole 'Table' of

> > Vimsottari Dasha can not be explained by any

> scientific approach

> by

> > any scientists but it makes us amazed to see how

> accurately it

> works.

> >

> > When we see the whole 'Table' or 'Structure' of

> Vimsottari Dasha

> then

> > we can understand by our simple common sense that

> Vedic Astrology

> is

> > something which can not be derived by any human

> research or

> anything -

> > there must be some divine source from the creator

> himself we got

> it

> > from. Even if it has some undertandable scientific

> base, how could

> > they discover it in that early time, without the

> special help or

> > guidance of the God?

> >

> > Thus, Dasha system, makes Vedic Astrology

> respectable and proves

> it's

> > divinity and shows it's spiritual values.

> >

> > Other Dasha systems are more amazing, more

> complicated... where

> the

> > whole bunch of scientists would pass their lives

> in research but

> > could develop no scientific analysis to support

> them, surely.

> >

> > Now about transits.

> >

> > Most of the people swear on the importance of

> Transits for the

> sake

> > of accuratly predicting an event. Most of the

> people I see, use

> > tarnsits with the second level accuracy of

> Vimsottari Dasha, that

> is,

> > the Anter Dashas / bhuktis. (ADs.) Like An AD runs

> for 2 years and

> in

> > the 2 years they try to figure out when marriage

> can take place,

> with

> > the help of transits.

> >

> > But it would not be wise to stop in the second

> level on Dasha and

> to

> > depend on Transit for accuracy since the 5th level

> of Dashas can

> be

> > used. For the accuracy of birth time, 4th and 5th

> levels are

> little

> > difficult to use, but the 3rd level (Pratyantars -

> PDs) can be

> used

> > to look further accurately into ADs (Anter Dashas)

> and that would

> > give very good result.

> >

> > Now, even a PD can run for 4/5 months. In that

> case, the transit

> can

> > be used to get into more accuracy again to try to

> figure out when

> > something positive / negative can happen. But it

> would be really

> > unwise to go only upto ADs and then consider

> transits for more

> > accuracy, like many do.

> >

> > When from my past life, I try to analyze any major

> / semi-major /

> > notable event of my life, I can do that with good

> success with the

> > help of MD-AD-PD only, and without the help of

> transits. PDs are

> > found very much useful by me, to figure out more

> accurately about

> a

> > positive / negative event in an AD.

> >

> > Now, can transit deny Dashas? My personal opinion

> would be a

> simple

> > yet firm, 'No, never'. Transit can not go against

> the AD, but can

> > only modify it to some extent. So, how much? It

> will depend on the

> > other factors like PDs and the length of the time

> periods

> involved.

> > Sun MDs (Maha Dashas) are short and the

> sub-periods (AD, PD) under

> > Sun MDs are also short. On the other hand,

> opposite goes about a

> > Venus MD.

> >

> > AD can not be modified / denied by a transit that

> much, but only

> to

> > some extent. The most important thing an AD would

> be coloured up

> by,

> > is the PDs. Positive / negative things in an AD

> happens in the

> > supportive PD and not for transit only. (I mean

> the 'Timing'

> here.)

> > PDs, as are the 3rd level of a Dasha, and are

> short in general,

> can

> > be modified a lot by the Transits. But not the AD

> can be modified

> > that much, transits can add/lessen the ADs, but

> only upto certain,

> > (depending on the PD again) but can not really

> ever deny it.

> >

> > Now PDs are affected most by the transits. But how

> much? As I

> said,

> > in Merc or Ve MD, a PD can run even 4/5/6 months.

> And for that,

> > Transit again will fail to deny it totally. Rather

> we can look

> into

> > PD with transit to time something more clearly.

> Like a PD runs for

> 4

> > months, then we can look into these 4 months with

> transit to see

> when

> > the marriage can occur, for a positive timing of

> the transit. But

> if

> > the AD and PD gives something good, transit can

> not deny it

> totally /

> > stop it from happening. It can only lessen the

> good to some

> extent.

> > But not against of AD, PD.

> >

> > Now, a long PD will be less impacted by the

> transit, on the other

> > hand a short PD of 20 days will be more affected

> by transit than

> the

> > long one would be. But still, PD will prevail

> more. Well if there

>

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Dear Inder Jee,

 

It is just a magnificant feature of KP, I would have to say! I did

not know about it :-)

 

Thanks for the piece of information.

 

Regards,

Tanvir.

 

, "Inder"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

> Dear Tanvir,

> As per KP steller astrology where stars and sub star are used for

> prediction and transits, it is concluded that dasa results will

> invariably match with transit results. These dont cotradict or

> support each other. They simply match.

> In KP Star lord is compared to dasa sub lord to bhkti and sub-sub

to

> anthra. As per KP system there can never be mismatch between two

> results. Thus we do not say that transit results willbe available

if

> dasa results are favourable.

> Inder

>

> , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > Dasha system is the unique system and among the ways to

interprete

> a

> > chart that makes Vedic Astrology different from other astrlogy

> > systems like Western Astrology etc. Like D-charts, the Dasha is

> one

> > of those pillers that make Vedic Astrology glorious and

> respectable.

> > Transits can be supported by some scientific appraoch to affect

> our

> > mind and body etc., but the science today did not get the

maturity

> > yet to explain the base of the Dasha systems. The whole 'Table'

of

> > Vimsottari Dasha can not be explained by any scientific approach

> by

> > any scientists but it makes us amazed to see how accurately it

> works.

> >

> > When we see the whole 'Table' or 'Structure' of Vimsottari Dasha

> then

> > we can understand by our simple common sense that Vedic Astrology

> is

> > something which can not be derived by any human research or

> anything -

> > there must be some divine source from the creator himself we got

> it

> > from. Even if it has some undertandable scientific base, how

could

> > they discover it in that early time, without the special help or

> > guidance of the God?

> >

> > Thus, Dasha system, makes Vedic Astrology respectable and proves

> it's

> > divinity and shows it's spiritual values.

> >

> > Other Dasha systems are more amazing, more complicated... where

> the

> > whole bunch of scientists would pass their lives in research but

> > could develop no scientific analysis to support them, surely.

> >

> > Now about transits.

> >

> > Most of the people swear on the importance of Transits for the

> sake

> > of accuratly predicting an event. Most of the people I see, use

> > tarnsits with the second level accuracy of Vimsottari Dasha, that

> is,

> > the Anter Dashas / bhuktis. (ADs.) Like An AD runs for 2 years

and

> in

> > the 2 years they try to figure out when marriage can take place,

> with

> > the help of transits.

> >

> > But it would not be wise to stop in the second level on Dasha and

> to

> > depend on Transit for accuracy since the 5th level of Dashas can

> be

> > used. For the accuracy of birth time, 4th and 5th levels are

> little

> > difficult to use, but the 3rd level (Pratyantars - PDs) can be

> used

> > to look further accurately into ADs (Anter Dashas) and that would

> > give very good result.

> >

> > Now, even a PD can run for 4/5 months. In that case, the transit

> can

> > be used to get into more accuracy again to try to figure out when

> > something positive / negative can happen. But it would be really

> > unwise to go only upto ADs and then consider transits for more

> > accuracy, like many do.

> >

> > When from my past life, I try to analyze any major / semi-major /

> > notable event of my life, I can do that with good success with

the

> > help of MD-AD-PD only, and without the help of transits. PDs are

> > found very much useful by me, to figure out more accurately about

> a

> > positive / negative event in an AD.

> >

> > Now, can transit deny Dashas? My personal opinion would be a

> simple

> > yet firm, 'No, never'. Transit can not go against the AD, but can

> > only modify it to some extent. So, how much? It will depend on

the

> > other factors like PDs and the length of the time periods

> involved.

> > Sun MDs (Maha Dashas) are short and the sub-periods (AD, PD)

under

> > Sun MDs are also short. On the other hand, opposite goes about a

> > Venus MD.

> >

> > AD can not be modified / denied by a transit that much, but only

> to

> > some extent. The most important thing an AD would be coloured up

> by,

> > is the PDs. Positive / negative things in an AD happens in the

> > supportive PD and not for transit only. (I mean the 'Timing'

> here.)

> > PDs, as are the 3rd level of a Dasha, and are short in general,

> can

> > be modified a lot by the Transits. But not the AD can be modified

> > that much, transits can add/lessen the ADs, but only upto

certain,

> > (depending on the PD again) but can not really ever deny it.

> >

> > Now PDs are affected most by the transits. But how much? As I

> said,

> > in Merc or Ve MD, a PD can run even 4/5/6 months. And for that,

> > Transit again will fail to deny it totally. Rather we can look

> into

> > PD with transit to time something more clearly. Like a PD runs

for

> 4

> > months, then we can look into these 4 months with transit to see

> when

> > the marriage can occur, for a positive timing of the transit. But

> if

> > the AD and PD gives something good, transit can not deny it

> totally /

> > stop it from happening. It can only lessen the good to some

> extent.

> > But not against of AD, PD.

> >

> > Now, a long PD will be less impacted by the transit, on the other

> > hand a short PD of 20 days will be more affected by transit than

> the

> > long one would be. But still, PD will prevail more. Well if there

> is

> > a very weak good PD + very strong bad transit, then it is

> otherwise,

> > but that is only expection. Even in that exception, the transit

> can

> > not go against AD (Or MD, out of question) and thus Dasha always

> > dominates.

> >

> > If transit was powerful enough to dominate Dashas, the 'How is

> your

> > day' colums of the newspapers would be true than anything, and

> then,

> > all the people would divide into only 12 parts and only 12 kind

of

> > things would happen to the all the population. But even with same

> > Lagna / moon sign, people experience totally different kind of

> > experience through the day, and that can be explained by the

> > different level of MD-AD-PD of people. There happens a lot types

> of

> > things in people's lives and not only 12 types of things crudely.

> >

> > AD can not cross the boundary of MD, and both the PD and TR can

> not

> > cross the boundary of AD. In a very bad MD related to 4th house,

a

> > man can not own a house even he is running a good AD. He might

> live

> > in a house with basic comfort. Similarly, in a very good MD, a

bad

> AD

> > can not make a man lose all his properties. But bad MD + bad AD

> can

> > make him stay on footpath with no home to stay.

> >

> > On the other hand, under a good AD, a bad PD can only give minor

> > troubles related to home, like the water supply is not working

> well,

> > or electricity failure, or the A/C is not working well, etc. etc.

> And

> > this would intensify in bad transits but a bad transit can not

> again

> > cross the boundary / limit of AD.

> >

> > Like as an example, my 9th lord Venus is directionally strong in

> the

> > 4th house, house of residence. In Venus AD, it made me live in a

> > luxurious house in a good area, with good facilities. It did not

> give

> > me any problem about house or residence. But in Rahu AD, all the

> AD

> > long I left my father's home, and lived in very simple house

> > independantly, which only provided me basic facilities but no

> luxury.

> > Because Rahu co rules the 6th house in my chart, so struggle, and

> is

> > in 10th, house of status, and it's dispositor Mercury being

> afflicted

> > in 4th house, house of residence. So some struggle about

residence

> > and loss of status would be there in Rahu AD. Also, as I said,

> Rahu

> > AD's residence problem was intensified in the Saturn PD, all

> Saturn

> > PD I lived in a house that had no timely water supply, and it was

> a

> > great problem! So bad AD + bad PD = very bad ! But after Saturn

PD

> > was over, it came my Mercury AD under Rahu AD, and I changed my

> house

> > and came to a lot better house of all necessary facilities! Then

> > Venus PD under Rahu AD gave me some other positive things, but

> this

> > Venus PD did not / could not give me a residence I enjoyed in

> Venus

> > AD! Because whatever, Venus PD can not go against Rahu AD but

> makes

> > it a little better, on the other hand Saturn PD, un Rahu AD makes

> it

> > worse! Because Saturn is the ruler of the 6th house, ie struggle.

> >

> > So we see how PDs work under ADs. Now all these things happened

in

> my

> > Merury MD. But, would the Rahu AD under Venus MD be so bad about

> > residence? No, because Rahu AD would not be able to do much harm

> > under Venus MD. Thus PDs can not go against ADs and ADs can not

go

> > against MDs. But they modify each others a lot.

> >

> > When we see the sages like Parasara and Jamini, telling about the

> > timings, remedies, effects of planets etc., we always see them

> > talking about different Dashas and not about transits. Parasara

> seems

> > to stress on Vimsottari here, while Jaimini talks about Rashi

> dashas.

> > Now, being created by the God, trying to fight against the God is

> > silly. Same way, fighting with the sages denying their basic

rules

> > would not be good, since they introduced us the Jyotish, not the

> > ordinary people who disagreeing to them did. Seeing the structure

> of

> > Vedic Astrology, it is clear that there is a divine source behind

> it.

> > It can not be developed by any research / manly effort. That is

> why

> > denying their principles is not wise.

> >

> > If ordinary people were talended enough to deny their principles,

> > they could make some different astrology of their own which would

> be

> > better than the pure Vedic Astrology. But no, they could not.

> Science

> > is getting developed day by day, and with that, people's

spiritual

> > vision is getting blurred more and more, and they are blaming

> > astrology to be a superstition and remaining confused in the same

> > circle.

> >

> > Now my another beginner-like view on a different matter. Will a

> moola

> > trikona-ed 8th lord be always bad? No. There are views that a

> moola

> > trikona 8th / 6th / 12th lord will always hamper a house all

> > significations in all the ways, and I find it not to be right,

and

> > these kind of theories are there to confuse us beginners a lot

and

> > waste a lot of time of us to understand the basics. 8th lord have

> > many good things like spiritual understanding, and materially,

> gain

> > without labour. It will depend on the position of the 8th lord /

> > planets in 8th house what might be happen. But 8th lord is not

> > malefic about everything, no lord is! An 8th lord exalted in 5th

> can

> > give lottery winning. 8th lord=gain without labour, 5th

> > house=lotteries. But it would give loneliness, because 8th lord

is

> > strong, and it would also make the person be cheated, if the 8th

> lord

> > afflicts a lot of planets. On the other hand an 8th lord in 12th

> > house would be supportive to have an enjoyable life. Because 8th

> lord

> > becomes weak going to 12th house, well he can be insulted in

> foreign,

> > because 8th lord=insult, 12th house=foreign, so his foreign

> travels

> > might not be smooth always. 8th lord in 10th on the other hand,

> can

> > make a person make much effort with less success. It will depend

> on

> > the nature of the planets and houses concerned and also the

> strength

> > etc. 8th lord in 10th, if afflicted, might give blame, insult,

and

> > rumours in profession, work place and can give lack of honour and

> > humiliation in work place and career. This is because 10th

> > house=workplace and 8th lord=humiliation and insult etc, among

> it's

> > other significations. And for the bad result 8th lord will have

to

> be

> > ill placed. So one fact does not tell anything finally.

> >

> > Thus an 8th lord transit can show the timing of a huge unexpected

> > gain if the natal chart and levels of Dashas promiss so. An 8th

> lord

> > corssing over the 1st house can indicate good spiritual growth

> than

> > simple accidents, if Ju and Ketu are related. Of course, the

natal

> > chart+Dashas have to promiss, too. Otherwise nothing will happen.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > Tanvir Chowdhury.

> >

> > Revised 21 May 2004.

[Guest guest]

Hello Surya Jee,

 

Most of the times the 4th level of Dasa becomes so small period and

for the rounded birth time it's very difficult to go correct, or may

be the 4th level of dasa can correct the birth time accurately! I

never worked with the 4th level, so I am not sure.

 

Personally I can FEEL the CHANGE in my MOOD, FEELINGS and EVENT-

FLOWING when a dasa means AD/PD changes, and I change my birth time

to 12.33 AM from 12.30 AM and that matches all events.

 

I personally go upto 3rd level than people who go to up to 2nd level

then use TRs. Say my relationship was in Me-Mo, people would use TRs

under whole Moon AD, but with PDs I can surely figure it out, under

Ra PD... similarly Mars, 8th lord AD gave me astro knowledge, though

I can figure out the PD also, JU, because it exchanges aspect with

Mars, by sign aspect, and is in Mars' sign, and is the karaka for

religion and related knowledge!

 

Regards

tanvir.

 

, surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> Tanvir,

>

> This article has been beautifully put. Thanks!

>

> I was just getting curious about one thing .. can we

> further sub divide the dasas into the period in

> question and give better predictions than even looking

> at Transits??

>

> say looking at sub dasas upto 5th or even 6th level?

>

> I have been vary of using transits because it hugely

> confuses me to correlate the natal with the transits

> and judge the actual effect of planets in a given time

> !

>

> Thanks !

> Surya.

>

>

> --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana@l...>

> wrote:

> > Dasha system is the unique system and among the ways

> > to interprete a

> > chart that makes Vedic Astrology different from

> > other astrlogy

> > systems like Western Astrology etc. Like D-charts,

> > the Dasha is one

> > of those pillers that make Vedic Astrology glorious

> > and respectable.

> > Transits can be supported by some scientific

> > appraoch to affect our

> > mind and body etc., but the science today did not

> > get the maturity

> > yet to explain the base of the Dasha systems. The

> > whole 'Table' of

> > Vimsottari Dasha can not be explained by any

> > scientific approach by

> > any scientists but it makes us amazed to see how

> > accurately it works.

> >

> > When we see the whole 'Table' or 'Structure' of

> > Vimsottari Dasha then

> > we can understand by our simple common sense that

> > Vedic Astrology is

> > something which can not be derived by any human

> > research or anything -

> > there must be some divine source from the creator

> > himself we got it

> > from. Even if it has some undertandable scientific

> > base, how could

> > they discover it in that early time, without the

> > special help or

> > guidance of the God?

> >

> > Thus, Dasha system, makes Vedic Astrology

> > respectable and proves it's

> > divinity and shows it's spiritual values.

> >

> > Other Dasha systems are more amazing, more

> > complicated... where the

> > whole bunch of scientists would pass their lives in

> > research but

> > could develop no scientific analysis to support

> > them, surely.

> >

> > Now about transits.

> >

> > Most of the people swear on the importance of

> > Transits for the sake

> > of accuratly predicting an event. Most of the people

> > I see, use

> > tarnsits with the second level accuracy of

> > Vimsottari Dasha, that is,

> > the Anter Dashas / bhuktis. (ADs.) Like An AD runs

> > for 2 years and in

> > the 2 years they try to figure out when marriage can

> > take place, with

> > the help of transits.

> >

> > But it would not be wise to stop in the second level

> > on Dasha and to

> > depend on Transit for accuracy since the 5th level

> > of Dashas can be

> > used. For the accuracy of birth time, 4th and 5th

> > levels are little

> > difficult to use, but the 3rd level (Pratyantars -

> > PDs) can be used

> > to look further accurately into ADs (Anter Dashas)

> > and that would

> > give very good result.

> >

> > Now, even a PD can run for 4/5 months. In that case,

> > the transit can

> > be used to get into more accuracy again to try to

> > figure out when

> > something positive / negative can happen. But it

> > would be really

> > unwise to go only upto ADs and then consider

> > transits for more

> > accuracy, like many do.

> >

> > When from my past life, I try to analyze any major /

> > semi-major /

> > notable event of my life, I can do that with good

> > success with the

> > help of MD-AD-PD only, and without the help of

> > transits. PDs are

> > found very much useful by me, to figure out more

> > accurately about a

> > positive / negative event in an AD.

> >

> > Now, can transit deny Dashas? My personal opinion

> > would be a simple

> > yet firm, 'No, never'. Transit can not go against

> > the AD, but can

> > only modify it to some extent. So, how much? It will

> > depend on the

> > other factors like PDs and the length of the time

> > periods involved.

> > Sun MDs (Maha Dashas) are short and the sub-periods

> > (AD, PD) under

> > Sun MDs are also short. On the other hand, opposite

> > goes about a

> > Venus MD.

> >

> > AD can not be modified / denied by a transit that

> > much, but only to

> > some extent. The most important thing an AD would be

> > coloured up by,

> > is the PDs. Positive / negative things in an AD

> > happens in the

> > supportive PD and not for transit only. (I mean the

> > 'Timing' here.)

> > PDs, as are the 3rd level of a Dasha, and are short

> > in general, can

> > be modified a lot by the Transits. But not the AD

> > can be modified

> > that much, transits can add/lessen the ADs, but only

> > upto certain,

> > (depending on the PD again) but can not really ever

> > deny it.

> >

> > Now PDs are affected most by the transits. But how

> > much? As I said,

> > in Merc or Ve MD, a PD can run even 4/5/6 months.

> > And for that,

> > Transit again will fail to deny it totally. Rather

> > we can look into

> > PD with transit to time something more clearly. Like

> > a PD runs for 4

> > months, then we can look into these 4 months with

> > transit to see when

> > the marriage can occur, for a positive timing of the

> > transit. But if

> > the AD and PD gives something good, transit can not

> > deny it totally /

> > stop it from happening. It can only lessen the good

> > to some extent.

> > But not against of AD, PD.

> >

> > Now, a long PD will be less impacted by the transit,

> > on the other

> > hand a short PD of 20 days will be more affected by

> > transit than the

> > long one would be. But still, PD will prevail more.

> > Well if there is

> > a very weak good PD + very strong bad transit, then

> > it is otherwise,

> > but that is only expection. Even in that exception,

> > the transit can

> > not go against AD (Or MD, out of question) and thus

> > Dasha always

> > dominates.

> >

> > If transit was powerful enough to dominate Dashas,

> > the 'How is your

> > day' colums of the newspapers would be true than

> > anything, and then,

> > all the people would divide into only 12 parts and

> > only 12 kind of

> > things would happen to the all the population. But

> > even with same

> > Lagna / moon sign, people experience totally

> > different kind of

> > experience through the day, and that can be

> > explained by the

> > different level of MD-AD-PD of people. There happens

> > a lot types of

> > things in people's lives and not only 12 types of

> > things crudely.

> >

> > AD can not cross the boundary of MD, and both the PD

> > and TR can not

> > cross the boundary of AD. In a very bad MD related

> > to 4th house, a

> > man can not own a house even he is running a good

> > AD. He might live

> > in a house with basic comfort. Similarly, in a very

> > good MD, a bad AD

> > can not make a man lose all his properties. But bad

> > MD + bad AD can

> > make him stay on footpath with no home to stay.

> >

> > On the other hand, under a good AD, a bad PD can

> > only give minor

> > troubles related to home, like the water supply is

> > not working well,

> > or electricity failure, or the A/C is not working

> > well, etc. etc. And

> > this would intensify in bad transits but a bad

> > transit can not again

> > cross the boundary / limit of AD.

> >

> > Like as an example, my 9th lord Venus is

> > directionally strong in the

> > 4th house, house of residence. In Venus AD, it made

> > me live in a

> > luxurious house in a good area, with good

> > facilities. It did not give

> > me any problem about house or residence. But in Rahu

> > AD, all the AD

> > long I left my father's home, and lived in very

> > simple

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

"When from my past life, I try to analyze any major / semi-major /

> notable event of my life, I can do that with good success with the

> help of MD-AD-PD only, and without the help of transits. PDs are

> found very much useful by me, to figure out more accurately about

a

> positive / negative event in an AD."

 

......same with me.

 

So, will the Jup/ mer/ ven

give similar results as

Jup/ ven/ mer ?

 

Manoshi

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> Dasha system is the unique system and among the ways to interprete

a

> chart that makes Vedic Astrology different from other astrlogy

> systems like Western Astrology etc. Like D-charts, the Dasha is

one

> of those pillers that make Vedic Astrology glorious and

respectable.

> Transits can be supported by some scientific appraoch to affect

our

> mind and body etc., but the science today did not get the maturity

> yet to explain the base of the Dasha systems. The whole 'Table' of

> Vimsottari Dasha can not be explained by any scientific approach

by

> any scientists but it makes us amazed to see how accurately it

works.

>

> When we see the whole 'Table' or 'Structure' of Vimsottari Dasha

then

> we can understand by our simple common sense that Vedic Astrology

is

> something which can not be derived by any human research or

anything -

> there must be some divine source from the creator himself we got

it

> from. Even if it has some undertandable scientific base, how could

> they discover it in that early time, without the special help or

> guidance of the God?

>

> Thus, Dasha system, makes Vedic Astrology respectable and proves

it's

> divinity and shows it's spiritual values.

>

> Other Dasha systems are more amazing, more complicated... where

the

> whole bunch of scientists would pass their lives in research but

> could develop no scientific analysis to support them, surely.

>

> Now about transits.

>

> Most of the people swear on the importance of Transits for the

sake

> of accuratly predicting an event. Most of the people I see, use

> tarnsits with the second level accuracy of Vimsottari Dasha, that

is,

> the Anter Dashas / bhuktis. (ADs.) Like An AD runs for 2 years and

in

> the 2 years they try to figure out when marriage can take place,

with

> the help of transits.

>

> But it would not be wise to stop in the second level on Dasha and

to

> depend on Transit for accuracy since the 5th level of Dashas can

be

> used. For the accuracy of birth time, 4th and 5th levels are

little

> difficult to use, but the 3rd level (Pratyantars - PDs) can be

used

> to look further accurately into ADs (Anter Dashas) and that would

> give very good result.

>

> Now, even a PD can run for 4/5 months. In that case, the transit

can

> be used to get into more accuracy again to try to figure out when

> something positive / negative can happen. But it would be really

> unwise to go only upto ADs and then consider transits for more

> accuracy, like many do.

>

> When from my past life, I try to analyze any major / semi-major /

> notable event of my life, I can do that with good success with the

> help of MD-AD-PD only, and without the help of transits. PDs are

> found very much useful by me, to figure out more accurately about

a

> positive / negative event in an AD.

>

> Now, can transit deny Dashas? My personal opinion would be a

simple

> yet firm, 'No, never'. Transit can not go against the AD, but can

> only modify it to some extent. So, how much? It will depend on the

> other factors like PDs and the length of the time periods

involved.

> Sun MDs (Maha Dashas) are short and the sub-periods (AD, PD) under

> Sun MDs are also short. On the other hand, opposite goes about a

> Venus MD.

>

> AD can not be modified / denied by a transit that much, but only

to

> some extent. The most important thing an AD would be coloured up

by,

> is the PDs. Positive / negative things in an AD happens in the

> supportive PD and not for transit only. (I mean the 'Timing'

here.)

> PDs, as are the 3rd level of a Dasha, and are short in general,

can

> be modified a lot by the Transits. But not the AD can be modified

> that much, transits can add/lessen the ADs, but only upto certain,

> (depending on the PD again) but can not really ever deny it.

>

> Now PDs are affected most by the transits. But how much? As I

said,

> in Merc or Ve MD, a PD can run even 4/5/6 months. And for that,

> Transit again will fail to deny it totally. Rather we can look

into

> PD with transit to time something more clearly. Like a PD runs for

4

> months, then we can look into these 4 months with transit to see

when

> the marriage can occur, for a positive timing of the transit. But

if

> the AD and PD gives something good, transit can not deny it

totally /

> stop it from happening. It can only lessen the good to some

extent.

> But not against of AD, PD.

>

> Now, a long PD will be less impacted by the transit, on the other

> hand a short PD of 20 days will be more affected by transit than

the

> long one would be. But still, PD will prevail more. Well if there

is

> a very weak good PD + very strong bad transit, then it is

otherwise,

> but that is only expection. Even in that exception, the transit

can

> not go against AD (Or MD, out of question) and thus Dasha always

> dominates.

>

> If transit was powerful enough to dominate Dashas, the 'How is

your

> day' colums of the newspapers would be true than anything, and

then,

> all the people would divide into only 12 parts and only 12 kind of

> things would happen to the all the population. But even with same

> Lagna / moon sign, people experience totally different kind of

> experience through the day, and that can be explained by the

> different level of MD-AD-PD of people. There happens a lot types

of

> things in people's lives and not only 12 types of things crudely.

>

> AD can not cross the boundary of MD, and both the PD and TR can

not

> cross the boundary of AD. In a very bad MD related to 4th house, a

> man can not own a house even he is running a good AD. He might

live

> in a house with basic comfort. Similarly, in a very good MD, a bad

AD

> can not make a man lose all his properties. But bad MD + bad AD

can

> make him stay on footpath with no home to stay.

>

> On the other hand, under a good AD, a bad PD can only give minor

> troubles related to home, like the water supply is not working

well,

> or electricity failure, or the A/C is not working well, etc. etc.

And

> this would intensify in bad transits but a bad transit can not

again

> cross the boundary / limit of AD.

>

> Like as an example, my 9th lord Venus is directionally strong in

the

> 4th house, house of residence. In Venus AD, it made me live in a

> luxurious house in a good area, with good facilities. It did not

give

> me any problem about house or residence. But in Rahu AD, all the

AD

> long I left my father's home, and lived in very simple house

> independantly, which only provided me basic facilities but no

luxury.

> Because Rahu co rules the 6th house in my chart, so struggle, and

is

> in 10th, house of status, and it's dispositor Mercury being

afflicted

> in 4th house, house of residence. So some struggle about residence

> and loss of status would be there in Rahu AD. Also, as I said,

Rahu

> AD's residence problem was intensified in the Saturn PD, all

Saturn

> PD I lived in a house that had no timely water supply, and it was

a

> great problem! So bad AD + bad PD = very bad ! But after Saturn PD

> was over, it came my Mercury AD under Rahu AD, and I changed my

house

> and came to a lot better house of all necessary facilities! Then

> Venus PD under Rahu AD gave me some other positive things, but

this

> Venus PD did not / could not give me a residence I enjoyed in

Venus

> AD! Because whatever, Venus PD can not go against Rahu AD but

makes

> it a little better, on the other hand Saturn PD, un Rahu AD makes

it

> worse! Because Saturn is the ruler of the 6th house, ie struggle.

>

> So we see how PDs work under ADs. Now all these things happened in

my

> Merury MD. But, would the Rahu AD under Venus MD be so bad about

> residence? No, because Rahu AD would not be able to do much harm

> under Venus MD. Thus PDs can not go against ADs and ADs can not go

> against MDs. But they modify each others a lot.

>

> When we see the sages like Parasara and Jamini, telling about the

> timings, remedies, effects of planets etc., we always see them

> talking about different Dashas and not about transits. Parasara

seems

> to stress on Vimsottari here, while Jaimini talks about Rashi

dashas.

> Now, being created by the God, trying to fight against the God is

> silly. Same way, fighting with the sages denying their basic rules

> would not be good, since they introduced us the Jyotish, not the

> ordinary people who disagreeing to them did. Seeing the structure

of

> Vedic Astrology, it is clear that there is a divine source behind

it.

> It can not be developed by any research / manly effort. That is

why

> denying their principles is not wise.

>

> If ordinary people were talended enough to deny their principles,

> they could make some different astrology of their own which would

be

> better than the pure Vedic Astrology. But no, they could not.

Science

> is getting developed day by day, and with that, people's spiritual

> vision is getting blurred more and more, and they are blaming

> astrology to be a superstition and remaining confused in the same

> circle.

>

> Now my another beginner-like view on a different matter. Will a

moola

> trikona-ed 8th lord be always bad? No. There are views that a

moola

> trikona 8th / 6th / 12th lord will always hamper a house all

> significations in all the ways, and I find it not to be right, and

> these kind of theories are there to confuse us beginners a lot and

> waste a lot of time of us to understand the basics. 8th lord have

> many good things like spiritual understanding, and materially,

gain

> without labour. It will depend on the position of the 8th lord /

> planets in 8th house what might be happen. But 8th lord is not

> malefic about everything, no lord is! An 8th lord exalted in 5th

can

> give lottery winning. 8th lord=gain without labour, 5th

> house=lotteries. But it would give loneliness, because 8th lord is

> strong, and it would also make the person be cheated, if the 8th

lord

> afflicts a lot of planets. On the other hand an 8th lord in 12th

> house would be supportive to have an enjoyable life. Because 8th

lord

> becomes weak going to 12th house, well he can be insulted in

foreign,

> because 8th lord=insult, 12th house=foreign, so his foreign

travels

> might not be smooth always. 8th lord in 10th on the other hand,

can

> make a person make much effort with less success. It will depend

on

> the nature of the planets and houses concerned and also the

strength

> etc. 8th lord in 10th, if afflicted, might give blame, insult, and

> rumours in profession, work place and can give lack of honour and

> humiliation in work place and career. This is because 10th

> house=workplace and 8th lord=humiliation and insult etc, among

it's

> other significations. And for the bad result 8th lord will have to

be

> ill placed. So one fact does not tell anything finally.

>

> Thus an 8th lord transit can show the timing of a huge unexpected

> gain if the natal chart and levels of Dashas promiss so. An 8th

lord

> corssing over the 1st house can indicate good spiritual growth

than

> simple accidents, if Ju and Ketu are related. Of course, the natal

> chart+Dashas have to promiss, too. Otherwise nothing will happen.

>

> Thanks and regards,

> Tanvir Chowdhury.

>

> Revised 21 May 2004.

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoshi Jee,

 

No, Ju-Me-Ve wont give the same effect as per Ju-Ve-Me. Because in

first one Merc is the main controller and Ve modifies/strengthens it,

and in second one Ve is the main controller, and Me modifies it. But

yes if both Ve and Me are benefic for you then both will work

similarly and then both the periods will be similar, otherwise not.

 

Regards

Tanvir.

 

, "khallopapa"

<khallopapa> wrote:

> "When from my past life, I try to analyze any major / semi-major /

> > notable event of my life, I can do that with good success with

the

> > help of MD-AD-PD only, and without the help of transits. PDs are

> > found very much useful by me, to figure out more accurately about

> a

> > positive / negative event in an AD."

>

> .....same with me.

>

> So, will the Jup/ mer/ ven

> give similar results as

> Jup/ ven/ mer ?

>

> Manoshi

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > Dasha system is the unique system and among the ways to

interprete

> a

> > chart that makes Vedic Astrology different from other astrlogy

> > systems like Western Astrology etc. Like D-charts, the Dasha is

> one

> > of those pillers that make Vedic Astrology glorious and

> respectable.

> > Transits can be supported by some scientific appraoch to affect

> our

> > mind and body etc., but the science today did not get the

maturity

> > yet to explain the base of the Dasha systems. The whole 'Table'

of

> > Vimsottari Dasha can not be explained by any scientific approach

> by

> > any scientists but it makes us amazed to see how accurately it

> works.

> >

> > When we see the whole 'Table' or 'Structure' of Vimsottari Dasha

> then

> > we can understand by our simple common sense that Vedic Astrology

> is

> > something which can not be derived by any human research or

> anything -

> > there must be some divine source from the creator himself we got

> it

> > from. Even if it has some undertandable scientific base, how

could

> > they discover it in that early time, without the special help or

> > guidance of the God?

> >

> > Thus, Dasha system, makes Vedic Astrology respectable and proves

> it's

> > divinity and shows it's spiritual values.

> >

> > Other Dasha systems are more amazing, more complicated... where

> the

> > whole bunch of scientists would pass their lives in research but

> > could develop no scientific analysis to support them, surely.

> >

> > Now about transits.

> >

> > Most of the people swear on the importance of Transits for the

> sake

> > of accuratly predicting an event. Most of the people I see, use

> > tarnsits with the second level accuracy of Vimsottari Dasha, that

> is,

> > the Anter Dashas / bhuktis. (ADs.) Like An AD runs for 2 years

and

> in

> > the 2 years they try to figure out when marriage can take place,

> with

> > the help of transits.

> >

> > But it would not be wise to stop in the second level on Dasha and

> to

> > depend on Transit for accuracy since the 5th level of Dashas can

> be

> > used. For the accuracy of birth time, 4th and 5th levels are

> little

> > difficult to use, but the 3rd level (Pratyantars - PDs) can be

> used

> > to look further accurately into ADs (Anter Dashas) and that would

> > give very good result.

> >

> > Now, even a PD can run for 4/5 months. In that case, the transit

> can

> > be used to get into more accuracy again to try to figure out when

> > something positive / negative can happen. But it would be really

> > unwise to go only upto ADs and then consider transits for more

> > accuracy, like many do.

> >

> > When from my past life, I try to analyze any major / semi-major /

> > notable event of my life, I can do that with good success with

the

> > help of MD-AD-PD only, and without the help of transits. PDs are

> > found very much useful by me, to figure out more accurately about

> a

> > positive / negative event in an AD.

> >

> > Now, can transit deny Dashas? My personal opinion would be a

> simple

> > yet firm, 'No, never'. Transit can not go against the AD, but can

> > only modify it to some extent. So, how much? It will depend on

the

> > other factors like PDs and the length of the time periods

> involved.

> > Sun MDs (Maha Dashas) are short and the sub-periods (AD, PD)

under

> > Sun MDs are also short. On the other hand, opposite goes about a

> > Venus MD.

> >

> > AD can not be modified / denied by a transit that much, but only

> to

> > some extent. The most important thing an AD would be coloured up

> by,

> > is the PDs. Positive / negative things in an AD happens in the

> > supportive PD and not for transit only. (I mean the 'Timing'

> here.)

> > PDs, as are the 3rd level of a Dasha, and are short in general,

> can

> > be modified a lot by the Transits. But not the AD can be modified

> > that much, transits can add/lessen the ADs, but only upto

certain,

> > (depending on the PD again) but can not really ever deny it.

> >

> > Now PDs are affected most by the transits. But how much? As I

> said,

> > in Merc or Ve MD, a PD can run even 4/5/6 months. And for that,

> > Transit again will fail to deny it totally. Rather we can look

> into

> > PD with transit to time something more clearly. Like a PD runs

for

> 4

> > months, then we can look into these 4 months with transit to see

> when

> > the marriage can occur, for a positive timing of the transit. But

> if

> > the AD and PD gives something good, transit can not deny it

> totally /

> > stop it from happening. It can only lessen the good to some

> extent.

> > But not against of AD, PD.

> >

> > Now, a long PD will be less impacted by the transit, on the other

> > hand a short PD of 20 days will be more affected by transit than

> the

> > long one would be. But still, PD will prevail more. Well if there

> is

> > a very weak good PD + very strong bad transit, then it is

> otherwise,

> > but that is only expection. Even in that exception, the transit

> can

> > not go against AD (Or MD, out of question) and thus Dasha always

> > dominates.

> >

> > If transit was powerful enough to dominate Dashas, the 'How is

> your

> > day' colums of the newspapers would be true than anything, and

> then,

> > all the people would divide into only 12 parts and only 12 kind

of

> > things would happen to the all the population. But even with same

> > Lagna / moon sign, people experience totally different kind of

> > experience through the day, and that can be explained by the

> > different level of MD-AD-PD of people. There happens a lot types

> of

> > things in people's lives and not only 12 types of things crudely.

> >

> > AD can not cross the boundary of MD, and both the PD and TR can

> not

> > cross the boundary of AD. In a very bad MD related to 4th house,

a

> > man can not own a house even he is running a good AD. He might

> live

> > in a house with basic comfort. Similarly, in a very good MD, a

bad

> AD

> > can not make a man lose all his properties. But bad MD + bad AD

> can

> > make him stay on footpath with no home to stay.

> >

> > On the other hand, under a good AD, a bad PD can only give minor

> > troubles related to home, like the water supply is not working

> well,

> > or electricity failure, or the A/C is not working well, etc. etc.

> And

> > this would intensify in bad transits but a bad transit can not

> again

> > cross the boundary / limit of AD.

> >

> > Like as an example, my 9th lord Venus is directionally strong in

> the

> > 4th house, house of residence. In Venus AD, it made me live in a

> > luxurious house in a good area, with good facilities. It did not

> give

> > me any problem about house or residence. But in Rahu AD, all the

> AD

> > long I left my father's home, and lived in very simple house

> > independantly, which only provided me basic facilities but no

> luxury.

> > Because Rahu co rules the 6th house in my chart, so struggle, and

> is

> > in 10th, house of status, and it's dispositor Mercury being

> afflicted

> > in 4th house, house of residence. So some struggle about

residence

> > and loss of status would be there in Rahu AD. Also, as I said,

> Rahu

> > AD's residence problem was intensified in the Saturn PD, all

> Saturn

> > PD I lived in a house that had no timely water supply, and it was

> a

> > great problem! So bad AD + bad PD = very bad ! But after Saturn

PD

> > was over, it came my Mercury AD under Rahu AD, and I changed my

> house

> > and came to a lot better house of all necessary facilities! Then

> > Venus PD under Rahu AD gave me some other positive things, but

> this

> > Venus PD did not / could not give me a residence I enjoyed in

> Venus

> > AD! Because whatever, Venus PD can not go against Rahu AD but

> makes

> > it a little better, on the other hand Saturn PD, un Rahu AD makes

> it

> > worse! Because Saturn is the ruler of the 6th house, ie struggle.

> >

> > So we see how PDs work under ADs. Now all these things happened

in

> my

> > Merury MD. But, would the Rahu AD under Venus MD be so bad about

> > residence? No, because Rahu AD would not be able to do much harm

> > under Venus MD. Thus PDs can not go against ADs and ADs can not

go

> > against MDs. But they modify each others a lot.

> >

> > When we see the sages like Parasara and Jamini, telling about the

> > timings, remedies, effects of planets etc., we always see them

> > talking about different Dashas and not about transits. Parasara

> seems

> > to stress on Vimsottari here, while Jaimini talks about Rashi

> dashas.

> > Now, being created by the God, trying to fight against the God is

> > silly. Same way, fighting with the sages denying their basic

rules

> > would not be good, since they introduced us the Jyotish, not the

> > ordinary people who disagreeing to them did. Seeing the structure

> of

> > Vedic Astrology, it is clear that there is a divine source behind

> it.

> > It can not be developed by any research / manly effort. That is

> why

> > denying their principles is not wise.

> >

> > If ordinary people were talended enough to deny their principles,

> > they could make some different astrology of their own which would

> be

> > better than the pure Vedic Astrology. But no, they could not.

> Science

> > is getting developed day by day, and with that, people's

spiritual

> > vision is getting blurred more and more, and they are blaming

> > astrology to be a superstition and remaining confused in the same

> > circle.

> >

> > Now my another beginner-like view on a different matter. Will a

> moola

> > trikona-ed 8th lord be always bad? No. There are views that a

> moola

> > trikona 8th / 6th / 12th lord will always hamper a house all

> > significations in all the ways, and I find it not to be right,

and

> > these kind of theories are there to confuse us beginners a lot

and

> > waste a lot of time of us to understand the basics. 8th lord have

> > many good things like spiritual understanding, and materially,

> gain

> > without labour. It will depend on the position of the 8th lord /

> > planets in 8th house what might be happen. But 8th lord is not

> > malefic about everything, no lord is! An 8th lord exalted in 5th

> can

> > give lottery winning. 8th lord=gain without labour, 5th

> > house=lotteries. But it would give loneliness, because 8th lord

is

> > strong, and it would also make the person be cheated, if the 8th

> lord

> > afflicts a lot of planets. On the other hand an 8th lord in 12th

> > house would be supportive to have an enjoyable life. Because 8th

> lord

> > becomes weak going to 12th house, well he can be insulted in

> foreign,

> > because 8th lord=insult, 12th house=foreign, so his foreign

> travels

> > might not be smooth always. 8th lord in 10th on the other hand,

> can

> > make a person make much effort with less success. It will depend

> on

> > the nature of the planets and houses concerned and also the

> strength

> > etc. 8th lord in 10th, if afflicted, might give blame, insult,

and

> > rumours in profession, work place and can give lack of honour and

> > humiliation in work place and career. This is because 10th

> > house=workplace and 8th lord=humiliation and insult etc, among

> it's

> > other significations. And for the bad result 8th lord will have

to

> be

> > ill placed. So one fact does not tell anything finally.

> >

> > Thus an 8th lord transit can show the timing of a huge unexpected

> > gain if the natal chart and levels of Dashas promiss so. An 8th

> lord

> > corssing over the 1st house can indicate good spiritual growth

> than

> > simple accidents, if Ju and Ketu are related. Of course, the

natal

> > chart+Dashas have to promiss, too. Otherwise nothing will happen.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > Tanvir Chowdhury.

> >

> > Revised 21 May 2004.