Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 If the member made a mistake she could send a message telling that she didnt want to post it and posted in error. She didnt do. Then, again, when it created debate she was actively taking part in the debate... she could tell even then that she didn't want to post it. Even then later AFTER I have given warning in group, she posted 2 messages again on the debate, which I did not allow. And now you say it was all her unwilling mistake and she should be given a chance! Of course I have given her chance bec I put her in moderation, it means that if she posted anything astrological I would allow that, and disallow only any non-astro posts. If I removed or banned her right then, it could be said that I have not given her a chance. I have disabled the posting ability of the member "explore_vulcan". Since he has admitted that it is giving you satisfaction and bla bla. Of course there is sense of power in my voice and that is natural, because I do have power here and since power always comes with responsibility, I will have to exercise my power in necessary situation for the good of people here who want a good environment for discussing Jyotish. That is why I will have to take any any appropriate situation since it is my duty and liablity for some 1500 people. Any of you interested in the member's articles or write ups may contact him personally to collect them. Tanvir. , "OM" <explore_vulcan> wrote: > Hey Surya, > > Who did not agree that the mail was wrong. Yes, it should not have > been posted to this group and the member has made a mistake. I never > disagree with that. > > But after this post has the member again posted such a mail?? Infact, > has the member posted any mail at all?? > > Every human being is given an oppurtunity to correct a mistake. My > point was that why wasn't the member given a warning and if the same > scene continued the moderator could have taken the steps. This was my > first point. > > Why this action without warning? Why this demonstration of power? > > Anyway, I could just shud my shoulders and say that "I am not > concerned, why should I worry!" but no I am not doing anything great!! > > I am also selfish by doing this act. I am satisfying my ego, my > conscious by voicing by feelings. This is giving me immense > satisfaction. The satisfaction of being heard. > > Yes friend I would come up with the article very soon... > > Cheers!! > > Souvik > > , surya vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Souvik, > > > > Let all this be .. u have put ur view across .. but u > > have done it too strongly ("hypocracy" hurts !!) .. > > it's best not to react .. sometimes it;s ok to react > > ... it's never good to over react ... > > > > U have to consider that a strong Congress supporter > > who reads a mail like that will strongly react to that > > mail even if it was just a fwd mail !! ... and that > > mail in no sense was glorifying .. it was derogatory > > of Sonia gandhi .. and whoever originated it or > > propagated it should realise that by allowing that > > mail they are subscribing to such thoughts !! > > > > Of course ... it cud have been a casual fwd as well!! > > ... but net is filled with people hiding under assumed > > names and being nasty !! > > > > Good to see you stand for someone u dont even know !! > > > > Let all this be now .. I am still waiting for my > > chance to save mother earth > > > > > > --- OM <explore_vulcan> wrote: > > > Hi Surya, > > > > > > We sure need to Chill Out!! > > > > > > Yes, I would come up with the Earth as a malefic > > > writeup soon. It > > > just takes a lot of pain to put in the views in > > > black and white... > > > > > > Well, here's the answer to ur question about my pin > > > pointing this > > > issue in public: > > > > > > 1. I questioned, did not act. Challenge is not a > > > mode of showing > > > disrespect but rather showing that u regard someone > > > equal and u r > > > brave enough to accept defeat. > > > > > > 2. Only the moderator was not involved in this > > > discussion but many > > > other members were and so I had put the message on > > > the group to voice > > > my thoughts. > > > > > > 3. No I donot mean to say that anyone not from the > > > group can be > > > ridiculed but I mean to say that if someone has done > > > so, he/she > > > should not be pounced upon. > > > > > > Some really FUNNY stuff for you Surya: > > > > > > Surya, u know a VERY FUNNY thing. This mails is not > > > invented by the > > > member who has posted this message and been a > > > subject of ridicule. > > > This mail was in my office inbox from the first week > > > of MAY. > > > > > > And u know another funny thing Surya. Check the > > > list, the particular > > > member has not posted a single mail to justify > > > his/her cause. > > > However, we, as the group of members did not refrain > > > from commenting > > > on this subject and kept on pouncing on the same > > > topic. > > > > > > I am posting this mail on the group b'coz u asked me > > > some questions > > > PUBLICLY, so I need to answer them PUBLICLY too > > > > > > > > > Another thing, about ignoring the ADMIN'S mail or > > > approaching the > > > moderator directly/personally about this issue: > > > I have voiced my thoughts, challenged authority with > > > Reason, Logic > > > and Truth. I donot consider it showing disrespect. > > > > > > I would really like to know, off the list or in the > > > list, what do u > > > Surya consider a Disrespect??? > > > > > > Just to pinch in my thoughts, I didnot consider ur > > > mail a disrespect > > > but some really valid questions from a questionning > > > mind. Ur queries > > > are most welcome!! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Souvik > > > , surya > > > vishnubhotla > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > > > While I appreciate your concerns .. you should > > > realise > > > > that there is something called disciplin as well > > > ... > > > > > > > > Maybe what tanvir did was a little sharp .. but in > > > a > > > > group where there is very very little scope of > > > > personal interaction and where you are judged only > > > by > > > > a few key strokes that you put in .. I do not > > > believe > > > > it's wrong to make an example of someone who has > > > > stepped out of line and invited concern of others > > > ... > > > > > > > > Do you mean to say that anyone not from the group > > > can > > > > become an object of ridicule and everyone from > > > within > > > > should be soft to all the people involving in > > > > senseless propoganda in the name of mutual > > > respect?? > > > > > > > > Just like we should have ignored the mail (as you > > > > rightly pointed out) on sonia gandhi ... I believe > > > you > > > > should ignore what tanvir did as well ... at least > > > it > > > > would have been more helpful to send a mail to > > > tanvir > > > > to reconsider his decision rather than to > > > challenge > > > > his decision ... > > > > > > > > There is no hypocracy involved .. simply because I > > > > dont beleive anyone from the list is beyond reason > > > .. > > > > > > > > What happened to your theory man??? I am still > > > waiting > > > > !!!! Let me defend mother earth and become a > > > > international hero !! > > > > > > > > Chill out > > > > Surya. > > > > > > > > --- OM <explore_vulcan> wrote: > > > > > Dear Mark, > > > > > > > > > > Excellent article. I too bow to the Guru and I > > > agree > > > > > that one should > > > > > show respect to HIM. It is although a personal > > > view > > > > > that I bow also > > > > > to the Guru in ME. And Mark all Gurus also have > > > a > > > > > LEARNER in HIM/HER. > > > > > > > > > > However, that is not my question. My question is > > > a > > > > > student has shown > > > > > disrespect to his/her Guru. The Guru has always > > > > > taught that the > > > > > student should NEVER show disrespect to ANYONE. > > > In > > > > > such a situation > > > > > will the GURU PUBLICLY HUMILIATE THE STUDENT, > > > > > thereby DEFYING HIS OWN > > > > > NORMS. > > > > > > > > > > THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > THEN WHY THIS HYPOCRISY OF PREACHING TO RESPECT > > > > > OTHERS!!! DOESN'T A > > > > > DISRESPECTFUL STUDENT FALL UNDER THE "OTHERS" > > > > > CATEGORY??????????????? > > > > > > > > > > I hope I could convey my idea!! > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > , Mark > > > > > Kincaid > > > > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > > > > > > There's this beautiful tradition both in the > > > West > > > > > and the East... > > > > > > > > > > > > that we 'respect' each other... > > > > > > > > > > > > In the West, the student approaches the > > > teacher, > > > > > with apple in > > > > > hand... > > > > > > and in the East... > > > > > > > > > > > > the student bows down and prostrates > > > oneself...in > > > > > front of his > > > > > teacher... > > > > > > > > > > > > As a professional teacher for many years, I'm > > > > > aware of the delicate > > > > > > relationship that exists between someone who > > > > > wishes to learn...and > > > > > those > > > > > > who can teach.... > > > > > > > > > > > > One Guru in India in fact has said: "when a > > > > > student approaches the > > > > > teacher, > > > > > > respectfully, his behavior....can have the > > > effect > > > > > of inspiring the > > > > > teacher, > > > > > > to rise high in waves of inspiration for his > > > > > teaching as a result." > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's teacher, Shri Yuketeswar, once > > > said > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Dear friends, The whole episode has become most unfortunate happening in our group. Things flared up unnessaray. Sauvik is a interesting and contributing member of our this small group. I wish he continues to be with us. Inder , "Tanvir Chowdhury" <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > If the member made a mistake she could send a message telling that > she didnt want to post it and posted in error. She didnt do. Then, > again, when it created debate she was actively taking part in the > debate... she could tell even then that she didn't want to post it. > Even then later AFTER I have given warning in group, she posted 2 > messages again on the debate, which I did not allow. > > And now you say it was all her unwilling mistake and she should be > given a chance! Of course I have given her chance bec I put her in > moderation, it means that if she posted anything astrological I would > allow that, and disallow only any non-astro posts. If I removed or > banned her right then, it could be said that I have not given her a > chance. > > I have disabled the posting ability of the member "explore_vulcan". > Since he has admitted that it is giving you satisfaction and bla bla. > > Of course there is sense of power in my voice and that is natural, > because I do have power here and since power always comes with > responsibility, I will have to exercise my power in necessary > situation for the good of people here who want a good environment for > discussing Jyotish. That is why I will have to take any any > appropriate situation since it is my duty and liablity for some 1500 > people. > > Any of you interested in the member's articles or write ups may > contact him personally to collect them. > > Tanvir. > > > > , "OM" <explore_vulcan> > wrote: > > Hey Surya, > > > > Who did not agree that the mail was wrong. Yes, it should not have > > been posted to this group and the member has made a mistake. I > never > > disagree with that. > > > > But after this post has the member again posted such a mail?? > Infact, > > has the member posted any mail at all?? > > > > Every human being is given an oppurtunity to correct a mistake. My > > point was that why wasn't the member given a warning and if the > same > > scene continued the moderator could have taken the steps. This was > my > > first point. > > > > Why this action without warning? Why this demonstration of power? > > > > Anyway, I could just shud my shoulders and say that "I am not > > concerned, why should I worry!" but no I am not doing anything > great!! > > > > I am also selfish by doing this act. I am satisfying my ego, my > > conscious by voicing by feelings. This is giving me immense > > satisfaction. The satisfaction of being heard. > > > > Yes friend I would come up with the article very soon... > > > > Cheers!! > > > > Souvik > > > > , surya vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Souvik, > > > > > > Let all this be .. u have put ur view across .. but u > > > have done it too strongly ("hypocracy" hurts !!) .. > > > it's best not to react .. sometimes it;s ok to react > > > ... it's never good to over react ... > > > > > > U have to consider that a strong Congress supporter > > > who reads a mail like that will strongly react to that > > > mail even if it was just a fwd mail !! ... and that > > > mail in no sense was glorifying .. it was derogatory > > > of Sonia gandhi .. and whoever originated it or > > > propagated it should realise that by allowing that > > > mail they are subscribing to such thoughts !! > > > > > > Of course ... it cud have been a casual fwd as well!! > > > ... but net is filled with people hiding under assumed > > > names and being nasty !! > > > > > > Good to see you stand for someone u dont even know !! > > > > > > Let all this be now .. I am still waiting for my > > > chance to save mother earth > > > > > > > > > --- OM <explore_vulcan> wrote: > > > > Hi Surya, > > > > > > > > We sure need to Chill Out!! > > > > > > > > Yes, I would come up with the Earth as a malefic > > > > writeup soon. It > > > > just takes a lot of pain to put in the views in > > > > black and white... > > > > > > > > Well, here's the answer to ur question about my pin > > > > pointing this > > > > issue in public: > > > > > > > > 1. I questioned, did not act. Challenge is not a > > > > mode of showing > > > > disrespect but rather showing that u regard someone > > > > equal and u r > > > > brave enough to accept defeat. > > > > > > > > 2. Only the moderator was not involved in this > > > > discussion but many > > > > other members were and so I had put the message on > > > > the group to voice > > > > my thoughts. > > > > > > > > 3. No I donot mean to say that anyone not from the > > > > group can be > > > > ridiculed but I mean to say that if someone has done > > > > so, he/she > > > > should not be pounced upon. > > > > > > > > Some really FUNNY stuff for you Surya: > > > > > > > > Surya, u know a VERY FUNNY thing. This mails is not > > > > invented by the > > > > member who has posted this message and been a > > > > subject of ridicule. > > > > This mail was in my office inbox from the first week > > > > of MAY. > > > > > > > > And u know another funny thing Surya. Check the > > > > list, the particular > > > > member has not posted a single mail to justify > > > > his/her cause. > > > > However, we, as the group of members did not refrain > > > > from commenting > > > > on this subject and kept on pouncing on the same > > > > topic. > > > > > > > > I am posting this mail on the group b'coz u asked me > > > > some questions > > > > PUBLICLY, so I need to answer them PUBLICLY too > > > > > > > > > > > > Another thing, about ignoring the ADMIN'S mail or > > > > approaching the > > > > moderator directly/personally about this issue: > > > > I have voiced my thoughts, challenged authority with > > > > Reason, Logic > > > > and Truth. I donot consider it showing disrespect. > > > > > > > > I would really like to know, off the list or in the > > > > list, what do u > > > > Surya consider a Disrespect??? > > > > > > > > Just to pinch in my thoughts, I didnot consider ur > > > > mail a disrespect > > > > but some really valid questions from a questionning > > > > mind. Ur queries > > > > are most welcome!! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > , surya > > > > vishnubhotla > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > > > > > While I appreciate your concerns .. you should > > > > realise > > > > > that there is something called disciplin as well > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Maybe what tanvir did was a little sharp .. but in > > > > a > > > > > group where there is very very little scope of > > > > > personal interaction and where you are judged only > > > > by > > > > > a few key strokes that you put in .. I do not > > > > believe > > > > > it's wrong to make an example of someone who has > > > > > stepped out of line and invited concern of others > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean to say that anyone not from the group > > > > can > > > > > become an object of ridicule and everyone from > > > > within > > > > > should be soft to all the people involving in > > > > > senseless propoganda in the name of mutual > > > > respect?? > > > > > > > > > > Just like we should have ignored the mail (as you > > > > > rightly pointed out) on sonia gandhi ... I believe > > > > you > > > > > should ignore what tanvir did as well ... at least > > > > it > > > > > would have been more helpful to send a mail to > > > > tanvir > > > > > to reconsider his decision rather than to > > > > challenge > > > > > his decision ... > > > > > > > > > > There is no hypocracy involved .. simply because I > > > > > dont beleive anyone from the list is beyond reason > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > What happened to your theory man??? I am still > > > > waiting > > > > > !!!! Let me defend mother earth and become a > > > > > international hero !! > > > > > > > > > > Chill out > > > > > Surya. > > > > > > > > > > --- OM <explore_vulcan> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mark, > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent article. I too bow to the Guru and I > > > > agree > > > > > > that one should > > > > > > show respect to HIM. It is although a personal > > > > view > > > > > > that I bow also > > > > > > to the Guru in ME. And Mark all Gurus also have > > > > a > > > > > > LEARNER in HIM/HER. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, that is not my question. My question is > > > > a > > > > > > student has shown > > > > > > disrespect to his/her Guru. The Guru has always > > > > > > taught that the > > > > > > student should NEVER show disrespect to ANYONE. > > > > In > > > > > > such a situation > > > > > > will the GURU PUBLICLY HUMILIATE THE STUDENT, > > > > > > thereby DEFYING HIS OWN > > > > > > NORMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > THEN WHY THIS HYPOCRISY OF PREACHING TO RESPECT > > > > > > OTHERS!!! DOESN'T A > > > > > > DISRESPECTFUL STUDENT FALL UNDER THE "OTHERS" > > > > > > CATEGORY??????????????? > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope I could convey my idea!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > , Mark > > > > > > Kincaid > > > > > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > There's this beautiful tradition both in the > > > > West > > > > > > and the East... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that we 'respect' each other... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the West, the student approaches the > > > > teacher, > > > > > > with apple in > > > > > > hand... > > > > > > > and in the East... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the student bows down and prostrates > > > > oneself...in > > > > > > front of his > > > > > > teacher... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a professional teacher for many years, I'm > > > > > > aware of the delicate > > > > > > > relationship that exists between someone who > > > > > > wishes to learn...and > > > > > > those > > > > > > > who can teach.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One Guru in India in fact has said: "when a > > > > > > student approaches the > > > > > > teacher, > > > > > > > respectfully, his behavior....can have the > > > > effect > > > > > > of inspiring the > > > > > > teacher, > > > > > > > to rise high in waves of inspiration for his > > > > > > teaching as a result." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's teacher, Shri Yuketeswar, once > > > > said > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > > http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Mars - Saturn close Conjunction ??? - Inder Friday, May 21, 2004 3:24 PM Re: Group Dear friends,The whole episode has become most unfortunate happening in our group.> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 He has done far more, even then I kept 'forgiving' him over and over, even then he blamed me for hipocracy and stretching the debate for new new logics. But surely, if he feels that what he did was wrong, and appologises to us all, I have no problem personally to let him be here again. I just remember now that right before this, we exchanged some 2/3 mails in private where he was trying to establish some wrong understanding about the clock system. He was saying that 12:30 night should be "00.30 AM" !!! He also said that, "there is nothing like 12.30 AM" !!!! I explained the whole matter to him in a polite and absolutely jolly manner, since he was trying to establish that I was wrong to say that 12.30 night is "12.30 AM"! And now I see that what he did here unnecessarily, was the result of that, it was just his intention to create mess ups, I feel sorry to see such people. The sender first sends a political post then creating the debate, she starts participating in it and Souvik says it was her unwilling mistake! Even before that the person sent some petition to sign in, you can see it ! All these were unwilling mistakes??? I put her on moderation so that only her astro posts may appear here and not other subjects, that was the least I should do and that was barely necessary, that he called dictatory. I gave warning even then she sent two posts in the debate, that I disallow here. And that was my dictatory? LOL... here in a good group we gathered some 1500 people and some are trying to promote it for "other sort of announcement". But I can not let it happen since you people come here for a particular topic, it's my duty to maintain the environment. Each time Mr Souvik argues and then I explain things politely then he again comes up with new charges and logics blaming me for hipocracy and bla bla. Well I don't bother about all these, I am liable for the peace and condition of this group, it's my duty to be so. I am sure you people would understand that the total harmony and peace of this group, which reserves all your purpose, is a lot important than the presence of one particular member. The topic is stretching again, I suggest all to forget it and move on our way of Hora Shastra. Thanks, Tanvir. , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear friends, > The whole episode has become most unfortunate happening in our group. > Things flared up unnessaray. > Sauvik is a interesting and contributing member of our this small > group. > I wish he continues to be with us. > Inder > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > If the member made a mistake she could send a message telling that > > she didnt want to post it and posted in error. She didnt do. Then, > > again, when it created debate she was actively taking part in the > > debate... she could tell even then that she didn't want to post > it. > > Even then later AFTER I have given warning in group, she posted 2 > > messages again on the debate, which I did not allow. > > > > And now you say it was all her unwilling mistake and she should be > > given a chance! Of course I have given her chance bec I put her in > > moderation, it means that if she posted anything astrological I > would > > allow that, and disallow only any non-astro posts. If I removed or > > banned her right then, it could be said that I have not given her > a > > chance. > > > > I have disabled the posting ability of the > member "explore_vulcan". > > Since he has admitted that it is giving you satisfaction and bla > bla. > > > > Of course there is sense of power in my voice and that is natural, > > because I do have power here and since power always comes with > > responsibility, I will have to exercise my power in necessary > > situation for the good of people here who want a good environment > for > > discussing Jyotish. That is why I will have to take any any > > appropriate situation since it is my duty and liablity for some > 1500 > > people. > > > > Any of you interested in the member's articles or write ups may > > contact him personally to collect them. > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > , "OM" > <explore_vulcan> > > wrote: > > > Hey Surya, > > > > > > Who did not agree that the mail was wrong. Yes, it should not > have > > > been posted to this group and the member has made a mistake. I > > never > > > disagree with that. > > > > > > But after this post has the member again posted such a mail?? > > Infact, > > > has the member posted any mail at all?? > > > > > > Every human being is given an oppurtunity to correct a mistake. > My > > > point was that why wasn't the member given a warning and if the > > same > > > scene continued the moderator could have taken the steps. This > was > > my > > > first point. > > > > > > Why this action without warning? Why this demonstration of power? > > > > > > Anyway, I could just shud my shoulders and say that "I am not > > > concerned, why should I worry!" but no I am not doing anything > > great!! > > > > > > I am also selfish by doing this act. I am satisfying my ego, my > > > conscious by voicing by feelings. This is giving me immense > > > satisfaction. The satisfaction of being heard. > > > > > > Yes friend I would come up with the article very soon... > > > > > > Cheers!! > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > , surya vishnubhotla > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > Souvik, > > > > > > > > Let all this be .. u have put ur view across .. but u > > > > have done it too strongly ("hypocracy" hurts !!) .. > > > > it's best not to react .. sometimes it;s ok to react > > > > ... it's never good to over react ... > > > > > > > > U have to consider that a strong Congress supporter > > > > who reads a mail like that will strongly react to that > > > > mail even if it was just a fwd mail !! ... and that > > > > mail in no sense was glorifying .. it was derogatory > > > > of Sonia gandhi .. and whoever originated it or > > > > propagated it should realise that by allowing that > > > > mail they are subscribing to such thoughts !! > > > > > > > > Of course ... it cud have been a casual fwd as well!! > > > > ... but net is filled with people hiding under assumed > > > > names and being nasty !! > > > > > > > > Good to see you stand for someone u dont even know !! > > > > > > > > Let all this be now .. I am still waiting for my > > > > chance to save mother earth > > > > > > > > > > > > --- OM <explore_vulcan> wrote: > > > > > Hi Surya, > > > > > > > > > > We sure need to Chill Out!! > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I would come up with the Earth as a malefic > > > > > writeup soon. It > > > > > just takes a lot of pain to put in the views in > > > > > black and white... > > > > > > > > > > Well, here's the answer to ur question about my pin > > > > > pointing this > > > > > issue in public: > > > > > > > > > > 1. I questioned, did not act. Challenge is not a > > > > > mode of showing > > > > > disrespect but rather showing that u regard someone > > > > > equal and u r > > > > > brave enough to accept defeat. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Only the moderator was not involved in this > > > > > discussion but many > > > > > other members were and so I had put the message on > > > > > the group to voice > > > > > my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > 3. No I donot mean to say that anyone not from the > > > > > group can be > > > > > ridiculed but I mean to say that if someone has done > > > > > so, he/she > > > > > should not be pounced upon. > > > > > > > > > > Some really FUNNY stuff for you Surya: > > > > > > > > > > Surya, u know a VERY FUNNY thing. This mails is not > > > > > invented by the > > > > > member who has posted this message and been a > > > > > subject of ridicule. > > > > > This mail was in my office inbox from the first week > > > > > of MAY. > > > > > > > > > > And u know another funny thing Surya. Check the > > > > > list, the particular > > > > > member has not posted a single mail to justify > > > > > his/her cause. > > > > > However, we, as the group of members did not refrain > > > > > from commenting > > > > > on this subject and kept on pouncing on the same > > > > > topic. > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this mail on the group b'coz u asked me > > > > > some questions > > > > > PUBLICLY, so I need to answer them PUBLICLY too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another thing, about ignoring the ADMIN'S mail or > > > > > approaching the > > > > > moderator directly/personally about this issue: > > > > > I have voiced my thoughts, challenged authority with > > > > > Reason, Logic > > > > > and Truth. I donot consider it showing disrespect. > > > > > > > > > > I would really like to know, off the list or in the > > > > > list, what do u > > > > > Surya consider a Disrespect??? > > > > > > > > > > Just to pinch in my thoughts, I didnot consider ur > > > > > mail a disrespect > > > > > but some really valid questions from a questionning > > > > > mind. Ur queries > > > > > are most welcome!! > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > , surya > > > > > vishnubhotla > > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > > > > > > > While I appreciate your concerns .. you should > > > > > realise > > > > > > that there is something called disciplin as well > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe what tanvir did was a little sharp .. but in > > > > > a > > > > > > group where there is very very little scope of > > > > > > personal interaction and where you are judged only > > > > > by > > > > > > a few key strokes that you put in .. I do not > > > > > believe > > > > > > it's wrong to make an example of someone who has > > > > > > stepped out of line and invited concern of others > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean to say that anyone not from the group > > > > > can > > > > > > become an object of ridicule and everyone from > > > > > within > > > > > > should be soft to all the people involving in > > > > > > senseless propoganda in the name of mutual > > > > > respect?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Just like we should have ignored the mail (as you > > > > > > rightly pointed out) on sonia gandhi ... I believe > > > > > you > > > > > > should ignore what tanvir did as well ... at least > > > > > it > > > > > > would have been more helpful to send a mail to > > > > > tanvir > > > > > > to reconsider his decision rather than to > > > > > challenge > > > > > > his decision ... > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no hypocracy involved .. simply because I > > > > > > dont beleive anyone from the list is beyond reason > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > What happened to your theory man??? I am still > > > > > waiting > > > > > > !!!! Let me defend mother earth and become a > > > > > > international hero !! > > > > > > > > > > > > Chill out > > > > > > Surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- OM <explore_vulcan> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mark, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent article. I too bow to the Guru and I > > > > > agree > > > > > > > that one should > > > > > > > show respect to HIM. It is although a personal > > > > > view > > > > > > > that I bow also > > > > > > > to the Guru in ME. And Mark all Gurus also have > > > > > a > > > > > > > LEARNER in HIM/HER. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, that is not my question. My question is > > > > > a > > > > > > > student has shown > > > > > > > disrespect to his/her Guru. The Guru has always > > > > > > > taught that the > > > > > > > student should NEVER show disrespect to ANYONE. > > > > > In > > > > > > > such a situation > > > > > > > will the GURU PUBLICLY HUMILIATE THE STUDENT, > > > > > > > thereby DEFYING HIS OWN > > > > > > > NORMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEN WHY THIS HYPOCRISY OF PREACHING TO RESPECT > > > > > > > OTHERS!!! DOESN'T A > > > > > > > DISRESPECTFUL STUDENT FALL UNDER THE "OTHERS" > > > > > > > CATEGORY??????????????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope I could convey my idea!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > , Mark > > > > > > > Kincaid > > > > > > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > There's this beautiful tradition both in the > > > > > West > > > > > > > and the East... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that we 'respect' each other... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the West, the student approaches the > > > > > teacher, > > > > > > > with apple in > > > > > > > hand... > > > > > > > > and in the East... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the student bows down and prostrates > > > > > oneself...in > > > > > > > front of his > > > > > > > teacher... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a professional teacher for many years, I'm > > > > > > > aware of the delicate > > > > > > > > relationship that exists between someone who > > > > > > > wishes to learn...and > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > who can teach.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One Guru in India in fact has said: "when a > > > > > > > student approaches the > > > > > > > teacher, > > > > > > > > respectfully, his behavior....can have the > > > > > effect > > > > > > > of inspiring the > > > > > > > teacher, > > > > > > > > to rise high in waves of inspiration for his > > > > > > > teaching as a result." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's teacher, Shri Yuketeswar, once > > > > > said > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year > > > > http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Tanvir, You are the boss. You own the group. And the group is for astrology. In case you beleive they have trespassed the basic nuances of decorum, just ban them. In fact my opinion is that any person who initiates even a single article which is contrary to the ground rules of the group needs to be banned. You have not only been extremely fair, but also have been extremely humanistic by just moderating the posts. So you dont even need to justify the reasons. If you feel they are at wrong then just ban them and also ban those who argue with you. We are with you because we want only astrology here. Not any crap. Regards, John --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana wrote: > He has done far more, even then I kept 'forgiving' > him over and over, > even then he blamed me for hipocracy and stretching > the debate for > new new logics. But surely, if he feels that what he > did was wrong, > and appologises to us all, I have no problem > personally to let him be > here again. I just remember now that right before > this, we exchanged > some 2/3 mails in private where he was trying to > establish some wrong > understanding about the clock system. He was saying > that 12:30 night > should be "00.30 AM" !!! He also said that, "there > is nothing like > 12.30 AM" !!!! I explained the whole matter to him > in a polite and > absolutely jolly manner, since he was trying to > establish that I was > wrong to say that 12.30 night is "12.30 AM"! And now > I see that what > he did here unnecessarily, was the result of that, > it was just his > intention to create mess ups, I feel sorry to see > such people. The > sender first sends a political post then creating > the debate, she > starts participating in it and Souvik says it was > her unwilling > mistake! Even before that the person sent some > petition to sign in, > you can see it ! All these were unwilling > mistakes??? I put her on > moderation so that only her astro posts may appear > here and not other > subjects, that was the least I should do and that > was barely > necessary, that he called dictatory. I gave warning > even then she > sent two posts in the debate, that I disallow here. > And that was my > dictatory? LOL... here in a good group we gathered > some 1500 people > and some are trying to promote it for "other sort of > announcement". > But I can not let it happen since you people come > here for a > particular topic, it's my duty to maintain the > environment. > > Each time Mr Souvik argues and then I explain things > politely then he > again comes up with new charges and logics blaming > me for hipocracy > and bla bla. Well I don't bother about all these, I > am liable for the > peace and condition of this group, it's my duty to > be so. > > I am sure you people would understand that the total > harmony and > peace of this group, which reserves all your > purpose, is a lot > important than the presence of one particular > member. > > The topic is stretching again, I suggest all to > forget it and move on > our way of Hora Shastra. > > Thanks, > Tanvir. > > , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > The whole episode has become most unfortunate > happening in our > group. > > Things flared up unnessaray. > > Sauvik is a interesting and contributing member of > our this small > > group. > > I wish he continues to be with us. > > Inder > > > > , "Tanvir > Chowdhury" > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > If the member made a mistake she could send a > message telling > that > > > she didnt want to post it and posted in error. > She didnt do. > Then, > > > again, when it created debate she was actively > taking part in the > > > debate... she could tell even then that she > didn't want to post > > it. > > > Even then later AFTER I have given warning in > group, she posted 2 > > > messages again on the debate, which I did not > allow. > > > > > > And now you say it was all her unwilling mistake > and she should > be > > > given a chance! Of course I have given her > chance bec I put her > in > > > moderation, it means that if she posted anything > astrological I > > would > > > allow that, and disallow only any non-astro > posts. If I removed > or > > > banned her right then, it could be said that I > have not given her > > a > > > chance. > > > > > > I have disabled the posting ability of the > > member "explore_vulcan". > > > Since he has admitted that it is giving you > satisfaction and bla > > bla. > > > > > > Of course there is sense of power in my voice > and that is > natural, > > > because I do have power here and since power > always comes with > > > responsibility, I will have to exercise my power > in necessary > > > situation for the good of people here who want a > good environment > > for > > > discussing Jyotish. That is why I will have to > take any any > > > appropriate situation since it is my duty and > liablity for some > > 1500 > > > people. > > > > > > Any of you interested in the member's articles > or write ups may > > > contact him personally to collect them. > > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "OM" > > <explore_vulcan> > > > wrote: > > > > Hey Surya, > > > > > > > > Who did not agree that the mail was wrong. > Yes, it should not > > have > > > > been posted to this group and the member has > made a mistake. I > > > never > > > > disagree with that. > > > > > > > > But after this post has the member again > posted such a mail?? > > > Infact, > > > > has the member posted any mail at all?? > > > > > > > > Every human being is given an oppurtunity to > correct a mistake. > > My > > > > point was that why wasn't the member given a > warning and if the > > > same > > > > scene continued the moderator could have taken > the steps. This > > was > > > my > > > > first point. > > > > > > > > Why this action without warning? Why this > demonstration of > power? > > > > > > > > Anyway, I could just shud my shoulders and say > that "I am not > > > > concerned, why should I worry!" but no I am > not doing anything > > > great!! > > > > > > > > I am also selfish by doing this act. I am > satisfying my ego, my > > > > conscious by voicing by feelings. This is > giving me immense > > > > satisfaction. The satisfaction of being heard. > > > > > > > > Yes friend I would come up with the article > very === message truncated === Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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