RE: To the Moderators and Members : Boundaries of Jyotish Remedies, the

[Guest guest]

There's this beautiful tradition both in the West and the East...

 

that we 'respect' each other...

 

In the West, the student approaches the teacher, with apple in hand...

and in the East...

 

the student bows down and prostrates oneself...in front of his teacher...

 

As a professional teacher for many years, I'm aware of the delicate

relationship that exists between someone who wishes to learn...and those

who can teach....

 

One Guru in India in fact has said: "when a student approaches the teacher,

respectfully, his behavior....can have the effect of inspiring the teacher,

to rise high in waves of inspiration for his teaching as a result."

 

Yogananda's teacher, Shri Yuketeswar, once said of one of his disciples,

students, who did not do what his teacher, Guru, recomeneded....

said:

 

"the world now is his Guru"...

 

So, if we're going to be students and teachers to each other, I'd suggest we

follow this wonderful guide line for interaction....

 

I personally, don't mind a doubting or skeptical person or student.

 

What bothers me is someone who's cruel, or especially negative, that effects

everyone with their attitude....

 

Especially, since we at 'jyotish remedies' are researching the very

important role in how we can literally transform...our Jyotish into a more

beneficial, benefic, even sattvic situation...

 

I don't think it's too much to ask for this kind of respect Tanvir mentions.

 

I personally, would leave it up to the Moderator, owner, as it is his

intention that we are following....

 

Jai Guru!

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

> "OM" <explore_vulcan

>

> Wed, 19 May 2004 16:14:34 -0000

>

> To the Moderators and Members : Boundaries of Jyotish Remedies,

> the

>

> Hi Moderators and Members,

>

> A very sensitive issue has been put forward by Tanvir, the owner of

> JR. The issue of the boundaries of Jyotish Remedies, the .

>

> I would like to put forward my views on this subject:

>

> The introduction page:

> This '' discussion list is owned by me, Tanvir

> Chowdhury. This list of Vedic Astrology is a platform for both

> beginners and experts to discuss on chart analysis, remedial measures

> and all other related topics.

> '' list is to ensure a friendly, respectful sphere

> for a free exchange of ideas and thoughts. Please put your opinion in

> a gentle and polite manner so that it does not disrespect anyone.

>

>

> I would express my concern as a member of this group to two phrases

> of this introduction page:

> 1. "related topics"

> 2. "does not disrespect anyone"

>

> 1. Jyotish Remedies is related to Jyotish and Jyotish is related to

> Time. Every occurance in the world is related to time and hence

> jyotish. So I would request a boundary to this "relation".

>

> 2. I absolutely agree with this part but here to I post a question.

> What is disrespect? Is it stating truth in an unacceptable way (which

> may be taken as a disrespect to someone) or being hypocrite enough to

> shun away the burnt side of the face (which may be considered

> respectful for some).

>

> I have something more to state. This with reference to a mail by a

> member with subject line "Sonia maid in UK....".

>

> This was a political mail. This mail showed disrespect to an

> individual. Agreed on all these points.

>

> BUT the FACT remains that MANY MEMBERS not only read the mail but

> also DIDNOT REFRAIN FROM Publicly CRTICISING the MAIL and THE MAIL

> POSTER. If one sees the chain of mails, one need not think twice that

> it was not a astro group but a political one. MEMBERS responded, and

> THEY DID SO WITH ENERGY.

>

> My question is that WHY WAS DISRESPECT SHOWN TO THE MEMBER???????????

> SONIA GANDHI IS NOT A MEMBER OF THIS GROUP BUT THE MESSAGE POSTER OF

> THE MESSAGE IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> Even the moderator PUBLICLY DECLARED THAT THE CONCERNED PERSON'S MAIL

> WOULD BE SCANNED!!!! I NOW PUBLICLY QUESTION HIM THAT DID HE (THE

> MODERATOR) NOT DEFY HIS OWN RULES.......???????

>

> Why could not the mail be ignored by the members?

> Why did not the moderator delete the mail and correspond with the

> concerned member to refrain from such posting PERSONALLY????

>

> So this means that if some member shows disrespect to someone, he or

> she will be PUBLICLY SHOWN DISRESPECT.

>

> WHY THIS HYPOCRISY???

>

> If this is so then please put up a RULE in the FILES Section to refer

> to which would state AN EYE FOR AN EYE!!!!

>

> Dear moderator, please revert back to some old mails in the Group

> called JR and see the postings...DO u only find ONLY astrological

> postings??

>

> Anyway, if I am KICKED OUT FROM this group for what I have written

> and questioned, I will still have the consolation that I stood by my

> OWN CONVICTIONS and voiced my thoughts on something I consider the

> TRUTH!!!!!

>

> Regards,

>

> Souvik

>

>

>

~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> Links

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Souvik Bhai:

 

I agree with you....

If some one do not like the e mail, he/She should ignore it and move on.

 

Never get to excited from some one's else views which are different.

Because they might be right.

 

Raman

OM [explore_vulcan ]Sent:

Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:15 AMSubject:

To the Moderators and Members : Boundaries of Jyotish Remedies, the

GroupHi Moderators and Members,A very sensitive issue has been put forward by

Tanvir, the owner of JR. The issue of the boundaries of Jyotish Remedies, the

.I would like to put forward my views on this subject:The

Group introduction page:This '' discussion list is owned

by me, Tanvir Chowdhury. This list of Vedic Astrology is a platform for both

beginners and experts to discuss on chart analysis, remedial measures and all

other related topics.'' list is to ensure a friendly,

respectful sphere for a free exchange of ideas and thoughts. Please put your

opinion in a gentle and polite manner so that it does not disrespect anyone.I

would express my concern as a member of this group to two phrases of this

introduction page:1. "related topics"2. "does not disrespect anyone"1. Jyotish

Remedies is related to Jyotish and Jyotish is related to Time. Every occurance

in the world is related to time and hence jyotish. So I would request a

boundary to this "relation".2. I absolutely agree with this part but here to I

post a question. What is disrespect? Is it stating truth in an unacceptable way

(which may be taken as a disrespect to someone) or being hypocrite enough to

shun away the burnt side of the face (which may be considered respectful for

some).I have something more to state. This with reference to a mail by a member

with subject line "Sonia maid in UK....".This was a political mail. This mail

showed disrespect to an individual. Agreed on all these points.BUT the FACT

remains that MANY MEMBERS not only read the mail but also DIDNOT REFRAIN FROM

Publicly CRTICISING the MAIL and THE MAIL POSTER. If one sees the chain of

mails, one need not think twice that it was not a astro group but a political

one. MEMBERS responded, and THEY DID SO WITH ENERGY.My question is that WHY WAS

DISRESPECT SHOWN TO THE MEMBER???????????SONIA GANDHI IS NOT A MEMBER OF THIS

GROUP BUT THE MESSAGE POSTER OF THE MESSAGE IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Even the

moderator PUBLICLY DECLARED THAT THE CONCERNED PERSON'S MAIL WOULD BE

SCANNED!!!! I NOW PUBLICLY QUESTION HIM THAT DID HE (THE MODERATOR) NOT DEFY

HIS OWN RULES.......???????Why could not the mail be ignored by the members?Why

did not the moderator delete the mail and correspond with the concerned member

to refrain from such posting PERSONALLY????So this means that if some member

shows disrespect to someone, he or she will be PUBLICLY SHOWN DISRESPECT.WHY

THIS HYPOCRISY???If this is so then please put up a RULE in the FILES Section

to refer to which would state AN EYE FOR AN EYE!!!!Dear moderator, please

revert back to some old mails in the Group called JR and see the postings...DO

u only find ONLY astrological postings??Anyway, if I am KICKED OUT FROM this

group for what I have written and questioned, I will still have the consolation

that I stood by my OWN CONVICTIONS and voiced my thoughts on something I

consider the TRUTH!!!!!Regards,Souvik~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS

SURVIVAL !~

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

1. Don't try to analyze each and every words and try to find faults

and weak points of words. We all know that we are here for

astrological discussions and not about anything political.

 

2. When there is a hot topic, that draws people's attention, people

might reply. That is called relfex, that is psychology. But when they

are reminded to put the subject off, that is not disrespect to them.

Because I do not think that anyone joined here to discuss about

politics. People join here for astrology and I would not let them be

disturbed by other sort of emails.

 

3. I didnt disrespect the member who posted that, because I could ban

her or remove her. I simply put her in moderation, because the post

was not related to Jyotish.

 

4. I have no intention to remove or ban you, because I stay away from

being mean as long as I can tolerate. So I wont do that unless you

become too intolerable to this group. Remember it's you who have

raised the question of being removed.

 

Tanvir.

 

, "OM" <explore_vulcan>

wrote:

> Hi Moderators and Members,

>

> A very sensitive issue has been put forward by Tanvir, the owner of

> JR. The issue of the boundaries of Jyotish Remedies, the

Group.

>

> I would like to put forward my views on this subject:

>

> The introduction page:

> This '' discussion list is owned by me, Tanvir

> Chowdhury. This list of Vedic Astrology is a platform for both

> beginners and experts to discuss on chart analysis, remedial

measures

> and all other related topics.

> '' list is to ensure a friendly, respectful sphere

> for a free exchange of ideas and thoughts. Please put your opinion

in

> a gentle and polite manner so that it does not disrespect anyone.

>

>

> I would express my concern as a member of this group to two phrases

> of this introduction page:

> 1. "related topics"

> 2. "does not disrespect anyone"

>

> 1. Jyotish Remedies is related to Jyotish and Jyotish is related to

> Time. Every occurance in the world is related to time and hence

> jyotish. So I would request a boundary to this "relation".

>

> 2. I absolutely agree with this part but here to I post a question.

> What is disrespect? Is it stating truth in an unacceptable way

(which

> may be taken as a disrespect to someone) or being hypocrite enough

to

> shun away the burnt side of the face (which may be considered

> respectful for some).

>

> I have something more to state. This with reference to a mail by a

> member with subject line "Sonia maid in UK....".

>

> This was a political mail. This mail showed disrespect to an

> individual. Agreed on all these points.

>

> BUT the FACT remains that MANY MEMBERS not only read the mail but

> also DIDNOT REFRAIN FROM Publicly CRTICISING the MAIL and THE MAIL

> POSTER. If one sees the chain of mails, one need not think twice

that

> it was not a astro group but a political one. MEMBERS responded,

and

> THEY DID SO WITH ENERGY.

>

> My question is that WHY WAS DISRESPECT SHOWN TO THE

MEMBER???????????

> SONIA GANDHI IS NOT A MEMBER OF THIS GROUP BUT THE MESSAGE POSTER

OF

> THE MESSAGE IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> Even the moderator PUBLICLY DECLARED THAT THE CONCERNED PERSON'S

MAIL

> WOULD BE SCANNED!!!! I NOW PUBLICLY QUESTION HIM THAT DID HE (THE

> MODERATOR) NOT DEFY HIS OWN RULES.......???????

>

> Why could not the mail be ignored by the members?

> Why did not the moderator delete the mail and correspond with the

> concerned member to refrain from such posting PERSONALLY????

>

> So this means that if some member shows disrespect to someone, he

or

> she will be PUBLICLY SHOWN DISRESPECT.

>

> WHY THIS HYPOCRISY???

>

> If this is so then please put up a RULE in the FILES Section to

refer

> to which would state AN EYE FOR AN EYE!!!!

>

> Dear moderator, please revert back to some old mails in the Group

> called JR and see the postings...DO u only find ONLY astrological

> postings??

>

> Anyway, if I am KICKED OUT FROM this group for what I have written

> and questioned, I will still have the consolation that I stood by

my

> OWN CONVICTIONS and voiced my thoughts on something I consider the

> TRUTH!!!!!

>

> Regards,

>

> Souvik

[Guest guest]

The original post was not welcome for it was no relation with

astrology. It was not disliked for it said something against Sonia

Gandhi.

 

So you are in favour of ignoring emails you don't like. What about

people bombing you with large emails and with emails of subject you

do not wish to read or receive? That is why mail bombing is not legal.

 

Tanvir.

 

, "Calla, Raman" <rcalla@s...>

wrote:

> Souvik Bhai:

>

> I agree with you....

> If some one do not like the e mail, he/She should ignore it and

move on.

>

> Never get to excited from some one's else views which are

different.

> Because they might be right.

>

> Raman

[Guest guest]

Hi Moderator,

 

I sense dictatorship, authority and a sense of power and superiority

in your reply.

 

This was unexpected. I will not go in any debate with you as sense of

power is blind to logic.

 

All the very best in life!

 

Regards

Souvik

 

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> Hello,

>

> 1. Don't try to analyze each and every words and try to find faults

> and weak points of words. We all know that we are here for

> astrological discussions and not about anything political.

>

> 2. When there is a hot topic, that draws people's attention, people

> might reply. That is called relfex, that is psychology. But when

they

> are reminded to put the subject off, that is not disrespect to

them.

> Because I do not think that anyone joined here to discuss about

> politics. People join here for astrology and I would not let them

be

> disturbed by other sort of emails.

>

> 3. I didnt disrespect the member who posted that, because I could

ban

> her or remove her. I simply put her in moderation, because the post

> was not related to Jyotish.

>

> 4. I have no intention to remove or ban you, because I stay away

from

> being mean as long as I can tolerate. So I wont do that unless you

> become too intolerable to this group. Remember it's you who have

> raised the question of being removed.

>

> Tanvir.

>

> , "OM" <explore_vulcan>

> wrote:

> > Hi Moderators and Members,

> >

> > A very sensitive issue has been put forward by Tanvir, the owner

of

> > JR. The issue of the boundaries of Jyotish Remedies, the

> Group.

> >

> > I would like to put forward my views on this subject:

> >

> > The introduction page:

> > This '' discussion list is owned by me, Tanvir

> > Chowdhury. This list of Vedic Astrology is a platform for both

> > beginners and experts to discuss on chart analysis, remedial

> measures

> > and all other related topics.

> > '' list is to ensure a friendly, respectful

sphere

> > for a free exchange of ideas and thoughts. Please put your

opinion

> in

> > a gentle and polite manner so that it does not disrespect anyone.

> >

> >

> > I would express my concern as a member of this group to two

phrases

> > of this introduction page:

> > 1. "related topics"

> > 2. "does not disrespect anyone"

> >

> > 1. Jyotish Remedies is related to Jyotish and Jyotish is related

to

> > Time. Every occurance in the world is related to time and hence

> > jyotish. So I would request a boundary to this "relation".

> >

> > 2. I absolutely agree with this part but here to I post a

question.

> > What is disrespect? Is it stating truth in an unacceptable way

> (which

> > may be taken as a disrespect to someone) or being hypocrite

enough

> to

> > shun away the burnt side of the face (which may be considered

> > respectful for some).

> >

> > I have something more to state. This with reference to a mail by

a

> > member with subject line "Sonia maid in UK....".

> >

> > This was a political mail. This mail showed disrespect to an

> > individual. Agreed on all these points.

> >

> > BUT the FACT remains that MANY MEMBERS not only read the mail but

> > also DIDNOT REFRAIN FROM Publicly CRTICISING the MAIL and THE

MAIL

> > POSTER. If one sees the chain of mails, one need not think twice

> that

> > it was not a astro group but a political one. MEMBERS responded,

> and

> > THEY DID SO WITH ENERGY.

> >

> > My question is that WHY WAS DISRESPECT SHOWN TO THE

> MEMBER???????????

> > SONIA GANDHI IS NOT A MEMBER OF THIS GROUP BUT THE MESSAGE POSTER

> OF

> > THE MESSAGE IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> >

> > Even the moderator PUBLICLY DECLARED THAT THE CONCERNED PERSON'S

> MAIL

> > WOULD BE SCANNED!!!! I NOW PUBLICLY QUESTION HIM THAT DID HE (THE

> > MODERATOR) NOT DEFY HIS OWN RULES.......???????

> >

> > Why could not the mail be ignored by the members?

> > Why did not the moderator delete the mail and correspond with the

> > concerned member to refrain from such posting PERSONALLY????

> >

> > So this means that if some member shows disrespect to someone, he

> or

> > she will be PUBLICLY SHOWN DISRESPECT.

> >

> > WHY THIS HYPOCRISY???

> >

> > If this is so then please put up a RULE in the FILES Section to

> refer

> > to which would state AN EYE FOR AN EYE!!!!

> >

> > Dear moderator, please revert back to some old mails in the Group

> > called JR and see the postings...DO u only find ONLY astrological

> > postings??

> >

> > Anyway, if I am KICKED OUT FROM this group for what I have

written

> > and questioned, I will still have the consolation that I stood by

> my

> > OWN CONVICTIONS and voiced my thoughts on something I consider

the

> > TRUTH!!!!!

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Souvik