2-Surya, from Mark Kincaid....5/16..... Fate of a person can be changed..

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Excellent analysis as usual, Mark!

 

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, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Surya:

>

> This is perhaps the most deep, and confusing, and even,

controversial

> aspects of Jyotish and of life...I can think of.

>

>

> Life obviously has it deterministic aspects. Look at everything,

it's

> following some natural order, design and plan.

>

> You plant a banana seed, and you're going to get a banana tree!

>

> But, we also believe in freedom.

>

> When you look at creation, in fact, you see such a whirlwind of

galaxies and

> Universes!

>

> It's hard to imagine all 'that' was created in a bound,

deterministic way,

> though the creation itself, seems to follow many rules, and laws of

nature.

>

> So, it's a very confusing question determinism...and freedom.

>

> We can take hope, however, because though the obvious signs of

bondage,

> boundries, and laws and rules are all around us;

> we do have something inside of us that seems to be more free!

>

> And that is our Consciousness or Soul....

>

> A good case can then, be made for this aspect of our lives as being

the

> source of true freedom in life....

>

> The verification of this idea or hope, can be found in actual

experience.

>

> When the mind, awareness, or attention, goes within, in fact,

leaving the

> outside, world, we can have a direct experience of this inner,

though hidden

> and abstract level of 'uncreated' life...

>

> When the mind, even, transcends the relative existence...and has a

direct

> experience of the Unbounded field of pure Consciousness....

>

> then, we can have a pure taste of unlimited freedom!

>

> There are no limitations of even time and space in this

experience....

> and .....

>

> funnily enough, when we come out of this state, we find

ourselves....

>

> thinking more clearly, more inner awake, and even self-confident,

and more

> intuitive...

>

> In fact, everything about our life is found better.

>

> So, if there's any case that can be made for a person being able to

change

> their fate or karma....it might be....

>

> the ability to contact...this source of all .....

>

> actions, karmas, and creation....

>

>

>

> Practical experience also shows that.... people have the ability,

to look

> within,....and conquer their patterns, and bad habits, and

compulsions...

>

> Even Spiritually, there are those, highly evolved souls that tell

us, that

> Human Life, has the potential...of complete Mastery over creation.

>

> There are even, many instances, in Vedic Knowledge, which are

called,

> Sidhis, or Mental Perfections, which are representative of the

potential of

> Human Consciousness, to transcend...and grow beyond not only the

normal

> constraints of past karmas or fate...

> but also arrive at such a sublime level of Natural freedom from

which real

> Mastery can be lived....

>

> Some of these include such 'sidhis', as Levitation, knowing

anything at a

> time, ability to go through walls, and many more.

>

> There are some great Indian Vedic Seers, who say this is the real

nature of

> Human Beings...and is much more representative of the true,

> freedom aspect of human life.....

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

> In my experience, also, in addition to this Consciousness aspect,

there is

> the possibility to grow, more in-tune with each Planet through

Jyotish,

> which may also give great freedom to change one's karmas...and

fate...

>

>

> PS....for those of you who haven't heard, I also write a Jyotish

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other

> aspects

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>

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>

>

> > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv>

> >

> > Thu, 13 May 2004 04:00:48 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> > Re: Re: Fate of a person can be

changed....MARK,Rohiniji and

> > ALL

> >

> > I believe in different contexts both are vaild ..

> >

> > We should look at things with detachment maybe like

> > watching a movie (where emotions rise and fall but

> > dont shake ur ethos .. well at lesat in most cases) ..

> >

> > at the same time action cannot justify itself by mere

> > supposition that nothing is in our hands !!

> >

> > I dont to "what happens has to happen"

> > unless its a vipareet karma ... in all other cases we

> > have our own say in what has to happen I guess ...

> >

> > Again I feel this is a difference between reality and

> > percieved reality ... all that happens around is

> > reality and surely not a movie .. however how we

> > percieve it is the movie we to !!

> >

> > I believe god simply creates the situations that we

> > muse undergo to learn reality from the point of view

> > of our reality ... he however in most cases leaves the

> > outcome to our own actions !!

> >

> >

> > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> >> First we would have to have an absolute definition

> >> for sin!

> >> Sometimes what shows up as a sin and crime in a

> >> narrow one lifetime

> >> view looks differently when the full picture can be

> >> viewed. However,

> >> for most of us that takes us into the realm of

> >> speculations and

> >> discussion becomes fruitless. Just as it is not

> >> possible to discuss

> >> if we begin with the faith that everything is

> >> predetermined.

> >>

> >> If everything is predetermined, then we are all

> >> puppets and there

> >> can be no personal responsibility, no sin, no crime.

> >> The

> >> newage/hippy experiement based on that ideology

> >> unfortunately did

> >> not work too long, once the music stopped and the

> >> smoke cleared!

> >>

> >>

> >> , Shripal

> >> <askvbnet>

> >> wrote:

> >>> Hi MARK,Rohiniji and ALL,

> >>> Can we think a little different way,as Lord has

> >>> said

> >>> "whatever is going to happen is going to Happen

> >> ,No

> >>> one in this universe can change that,not even lord

> >>> himself"

> >>> What I understand from this statement is that,

> >>>

> >>> World is like a movie,God has made it,every thing

> >> and

> >>> each and every character is decided,Not only I am

> >>> talking about yugas,But of all the yugas,From a

> >> time

> >>> of making of this world to end of this world or

> >> movie.

> >>> Karmas are terms that we use,Nothing such a sort

> >>> exists.Every thing is a way it is ,and it has been

> >>> decided.

> >>>

> >>> But please let me know from you all,who is a first

> >>> person who did a sin,had a birth or died.

> >>>

> >>> That's what i am trying to say,Like movies you

> >> have to

> >>> start with something and that goes on,there is no

> >>> start point nor even ending.So how karmas,prarapdh

> >> or

> >>> good deeds come in to an action.When this movies

> >> will

> >>> over.

> >>>

> >>> Agian a new movies will be created by him,again

> >>> various

> >>> character will be there,again I will be writing a

> >> same

> >>> mail.

> >>>

> >>> There is no end to this,It is made the way it has

> >> to

> >>> be.

> >>>

> >>> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> >>>

> >>> I have come across such individuals, but not many.

> >>> And,

> >>> interpretations vary from one person to another,

> >> even

> >>> when

> >>> individuals are judging the same person (and of

> >>> course, it is always

> >>> the other person who is sadly mistaken in this

> >>> reality!;-)

> >>>

> >>> Anyway, if we look deep enough, there is always a

> >>> shred of

> >>> selfishness there. Not that it is by itself bad.

> >> The

> >>> point I was

> >>> making was that it does not have to be a pure

> >> intent

> >>> or consistently

> >>> pure intent or even an intent that is universally

> >>> perceived as pure.

> >>> Action is what matters. Often, given our narrow,

> >>> amnesic

> >>> perspective, we are poor judges of intent anyway.

> >> If

> >>> we engage in

> >>> action, soul-statistics takes care of itself.

> >>> What you all think about this?

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >

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