: Fate of a person can be changed....To Ajith

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Hi Ajith,

 

I will agree to what you are saying,I was looking

for such an answer,Question is Program is created by

whom,or is it Vishnu himself is a part of a program.

that is a question.But what ever you have tried to

explains ,seem more understable.

 

But i don't understand about karmas and prarabhd,Than

question arises is who was a first person to do a

sin,and why did he do that.So this all brings to what

I have have said.

 

--- ajith wrote:

 

 

Shirpal

> wrote:Hi MARK,Rohiniji and ALL,

Can we think a little different way,as Lord hassaid

"whatever is going to happen is going to Happen ,No

one in this universe can change that,not even lord

himself"

What I understand from this statement is that,

World is like a movie,God has made it,every thing and

each and every

character is decided,Not only I am talking about

yugas,But of all the

yugas,From a time of making of this world to end of

this world or movie.

Karmas are terms that we use,Nothing such a sort

exists.Every thing is a

way it is ,and it has been decided.

 

 

I disagree with what Shirpal has mentioned. It borders

on fatalism. The

purpose of creation is not because the creator wants

to direct a

prearranged movie. There is no joy in that for that

which is said to Bliss

itself. The purpose of creation is for the absolute,

para Brahman to

experience or know Himself Since there is none other

than Himself, Maha

purusha sacrificed himself into manifold and entered

the relative plane or

Maya. ( as explained in the vedas).It is only through

the relative world

that the Atman can know itself. The Atman, with

association of prakriti and

the gunas forgets it's real nature and associates with

the samsara. And

within, this delusion, the embodied at times feels

powerless and forgets

that He is the creator of his own destiny. !

 

Events occur not because a Being deemed it to be so.

The creator has

created a "macro program" that allows inputs (action)

to be automatically

transalted into various outputs (results). And the

inputs(reaction) to the

output or event will itself modifies subsequent

outcomes. So ultimately

Life presents us opportunities to define who we are

and that implicitly

means that Life is constantly evolving because of our

actions and reaction

on a personal level and on a macro level as citizens

of a country or a

resident of the world.

 

Additoanly this macro program or fate is multi

dimensional and works at

different levels. At the macro level, there is the

prarabhada Karma or

accumulated Karma, something akin to a balance sheet

and there are subsets

of that Karma , like Anarbhada Karma, which is like

recent cash flow.

Jyotish remedies , prayer and positive self

affirmation can go a long way

to improv

 

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ajith (AT) ocbc-research (DOT) com wrote:

Shirpal> wrote:Hi MARK,Rohiniji and ALL, Can we think a little different

way,as Lord hassaid"whatever is going to happen is going to Happen ,Noone in

this universe can change that,not even lord himself"What I understand from this

statement is that,World is like a movie,God has made it,every thing and each and

everycharacter is decided,Not only I am talking about yugas,But of all

theyugas,From a time of making of this world to end of this world or

movie.Karmas are terms that we use,Nothing such a sort exists.Every thing is

away it is ,and it has been decided.I disagree with what Shirpal has mentioned.

It borders on fatalism. Thepurpose of creation is not because the creator wants

to direct aprearranged movie. There is no joy in that for that which is said to

Blissitself. The purpose of creation

is for the absolute, para Brahman toexperience or know Himself Since there is

none other than Himself, Mahapurusha sacrificed himself into manifold and

entered the relative plane orMaya. ( as explained in the vedas).It is only

through the relative worldthat the Atman can know itself. The Atman, with

association of prakriti andthe gunas forgets it's real nature and associates

with the samsara. Andwithin, this delusion, the embodied at times feels

powerless and forgetsthat He is the creator of his own destiny. !Events occur

not because a Being deemed it to be so. The creator hascreated a "macro

program" that allows inputs (action) to be automaticallytransalted into

various outputs (results). And the inputs(reaction) to theoutput or event will

itself modifies subsequent outcomes. So ultimatelyLife presents us

opportunities to define who we are and that implicitlymeans that Life is

constantly evolving

because of our actions and reactionon a personal level and on a macro level as

citizens of a country or aresident of the world.Additoanly this macro program

or fate is multi dimensional and works atdifferent levels. At the macro level,

there is the prarabhada Karma oraccumulated Karma, something akin to a balance

sheet and there are subsetsof that Karma , like Anarbhada Karma, which is like

recent cash flow.Jyotish remedies , prayer and positive self affirmation can

go a long wayto improve or minimize the causative effects of Anarbhada Karma

butchanging the balance sheet of prarabhada Karma is requires tremendouseffort.

But since we do not know our Prarabhada Karma, the only thing wecan do is react

in the "best" way to every event as Krishna has outlined inthe Gita, namely

Bhakti, Karma, Yoga and Jyana.This is how I understand Karma and Destiny.

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Re: Re: Fate of a person can

be changed....MARK,Rohiniji and ALL

13/05/04 19:00

Please respond

to

I believe in different contexts both are vaild ..We should look at

things with detachment maybe likewatching a movie (where emotions rise and fall

butdont shake ur ethos .. well at lesat in most cases) ..at the same time action

cannot justify itself by meresupposition that nothing is in our hands !!I dont

to "what happens has to happen"unless its a vipareet karma ... in

all other

cases wehave our own say in what has to happen I guess ...Again I feel this is a

difference between reality andpercieved reality ... all that happens around

isreality and surely not a movie .. however how wepercieve it is the movie we

to !!I believe god simply creates the situations that wemuse undergo

to learn reality from the point of viewof our reality ... he however in most

cases leaves theoutcome to our own actions !!--- rohiniranjan <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca>

wrote:> First we would have to have an absolute definition> for sin!> Sometimes

what shows up as a sin and crime in a> narrow one lifetime> view looks

differently when the full picture can be> viewed. However,> for most of us that

takes us into the realm of> speculations and> discussion becomes fruitless. Just

as it is not> possible to discuss> if we begin with the faith that

everything is> predetermined.>> If everything is predetermined, then we are all>

puppets and there> can be no personal responsibility, no sin, no crime.> The>

newage/hippy experiement based on that ideology> unfortunately did> not work

too long, once the music stopped and the> smoke cleared!>>> --- In

, Shripal> <askvbnet>> wrote:> > Hi

MARK,Rohiniji and ALL,> > Can we think a little different way,as Lord has> >

said> > "whatever is going to happen is going to Happen> ,No> > one in this

universe can change that,not even lord> > himself"> > What I understand from

this statement is that,> >> > World is like a movie,God has made it,every

thing> and> > each and every character is decided,Not only I am>

> talking about yugas,But of all the yugas,From a> time> > of making of this

world to end of this world or> movie.> > Karmas are terms that we use,Nothing

such a sort> > exists.Every thing is a way it is ,and it has been> > decided.>

>> > But please let me know from you all,who is a first> > person who did a

sin,had a birth or died.> >> > That's what i am trying to say,Like movies you>

have to> > start with something and that goes on,there is no> > start point nor

even ending.So how karmas,prarapdh> or> > good deeds come in to an action.When

this movies> will> > over.> >> > Agian a new movies will be created by

him,again> > various> > character will be there,again I will be writing a>

same> > mail.> >> > There is no end to this,It is made the

way it has> to> > be.> >> > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:> >

> > I have come across such individuals, but

not many.> > And,> > interpretations vary from one person to another,> even> >

when> > individuals are judging the same person (and of> > course, it is

always> > the other person who is sadly mistaken in this> > reality!;-)> >> >

Anyway, if we look deep enough, there is always a> > shred of> > selfishness

there. Not that it is by itself bad.> The> > point I was> > making was that it

does not have to be a pure> intent> > or consistently> > pure intent or even an

intent that is universally> > perceived as pure.> > Action is what matters.

Often, given our narrow,> > amnesic>

> perspective, we are poor judges of intent anyway.> If> > we engage in> >

action, soul-statistics takes care of itself.> > What you all think about

this?> >> >> >> >>

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Why are you so focused on the primal sin as if it is a one and only

make and break thing as some of the newer religions would have us

believe? Maybe it was the primal good deed that kept this creation

going, despite all the sins and negativity?

 

The world has had more than one chance for total annihilation,

through chemical physical means, through wars, through economic

depression and so on. But the Creation keeps going, even if we just

focus on our little tiny world. I think ww should treat karma as

something that is neutral and that could have a negative or positive

form. As long as there is some negative, and some positive, the game

continues!

 

 

, Shripal <askvbnet>

wrote:

> Hi Ajith,

>

> I will agree to what you are saying,I was looking

> for such an answer,Question is Program is created by

> whom,or is it Vishnu himself is a part of a program.

> that is a question.But what ever you have tried to

> explains ,seem more understable.

>

> But i don't understand about karmas and prarabhd,Than

> question arises is who was a first person to do a

> sin,and why did he do that.So this all brings to what

> I have have said.

>

> --- ajith@o... wrote:

>

>

> Shirpal

> > wrote:Hi MARK,Rohiniji and ALL,

> Can we think a little different way,as Lord hassaid

> "whatever is going to happen is going to Happen ,No

> one in this universe can change that,not even lord

> himself"

> What I understand from this statement is that,

> World is like a movie,God has made it,every thing and

> each and every

> character is decided,Not only I am talking about

> yugas,But of all the

> yugas,From a time of making of this world to end of

> this world or movie.

> Karmas are terms that we use,Nothing such a sort

> exists.Every thing is a

> way it is ,and it has been decided.

>

>

> I disagree with what Shirpal has mentioned. It borders

> on fatalism. The

> purpose of creation is not because the creator wants

> to direct a

> prearranged movie. There is no joy in that for that

> which is said to Bliss

> itself. The purpose of creation is for the absolute,

> para Brahman to

> experience or know Himself Since there is none other

> than Himself, Maha

> purusha sacrificed himself into manifold and entered

> the relative plane or

> Maya. ( as explained in the vedas).It is only through

> the relative world

> that the Atman can know itself. The Atman, with

> association of prakriti and

> the gunas forgets it's real nature and associates with

> the samsara. And

> within, this delusion, the embodied at times feels

> powerless and forgets

> that He is the creator of his own destiny. !

>

> Events occur not because a Being deemed it to be so.

> The creator has

> created a "macro program" that allows inputs (action)

> to be automatically

> transalted into various outputs (results). And the

> inputs(reaction) to the

> output or event will itself modifies subsequent

> outcomes. So ultimately

> Life presents us opportunities to define who we are

> and that implicitly

> means that Life is constantly evolving because of our

> actions and reaction

> on a personal level and on a macro level as citizens

> of a country or a

> resident of the world.

>

> Additoanly this macro program or fate is multi

> dimensional and works at

> different levels. At the macro level, there is the

> prarabhada Karma or

> accumulated Karma, something akin to a balance sheet

> and there are subsets

> of that Karma , like Anarbhada Karma, which is like

> recent cash flow.

> Jyotish remedies , prayer and positive self

> affirmation can go a long way

> to improv

>

>

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Dear fellas,

I'ld like to answer a few questions:

 

> who was a first person to do a sin, and why did he do that.

Ans... As per our Vedas, nature or this world has been persistent for

infinite time. So, the answer of your question will mean a travel back

to infinite time, which in itself is contradiction...

 

> Question is Program is created by whom,or is it Vishnu himself is a

part of a program.

Ans... Yeah, Geeta preaches that neither Vishnu, neither Shiva nor

Brahma are the Gods. The reason that they are revered is because they

've discovered the truth. In the cycle of recreation and destruction of

this nature even these Gods keep rotating. As mythology says, after 100

years of Brahma the "shrishti" is destroyed and then recreated. Just 12

hours in a day of Brahma are equivalent to hundreds of Yugas' cycle.

Finally, who is the creator?

Brahma.

But who's energy is the source of such creation?

That's "Brahm". Notice the diff. between "Brahma" and "brahm".

 

> But i don't understand about karmas and prarabhd?

Prarabhd doesn't exist.

Karmas is everything.

In Geeta, Sri Krishna dictates Arjun regarding the importance of karma.

See it smthing like this.... There are infinite possibilities in this

"shrishti". When I say possibilities, it denotes the potential

activities that can be carried on in this universe. Things are going to

happen anyway.

That's what Krishna tells Arjun : "Kauravas have been killed, already..

u r just a medium."

Now here our free will or lets say karmas which come into action. And

it's totally up to us that whether we want to grab this ongoing action

and get associated with it. What you are going to do today will be your

fate tomorrow. Things are going to happen anyway, if you wont some other

will do it.

So, Arjun fought back for the "restoration" of dharma and he got the

"phal" as the kingdom.

Here, I mentioned that Krishna said "Things are going to happen anyway."

When I said this it means there is sm1 who controls all this, which is

"brahm" as I mentioned above.

And who is "brahm"?

It's the "I" within us.

 

In this way, karmas are everything. There is no one who controls our

destiny. We ourselves are slaves, because we want to be slaves. As long

as human wants to get associated with karmas, the "karm-bandhan" shall

also is attached. The choice is yours.

Do you want to be in the creator's category or still want to

underestimate yourself and keep on asking question's regarding your fate

??

 

Ps: I feel that I've hurried up for the sake of not getting digressed

from the main question. Well, for any clarifications you are welcome.

 

Thanks n regards

Saurabh B.

 

 

 

rohiniranjan [rrgb]

Saturday, May 15, 2004 9:37 AM

 

Re: : Fate of a person can be changed....To Ajith

 

Why are you so focused on the primal sin as if it is a one and only

make and break thing as some of the newer religions would have us

believe? Maybe it was the primal good deed that kept this creation

going, despite all the sins and negativity?

 

The world has had more than one chance for total annihilation,

through chemical physical means, through wars, through economic

depression and so on. But the Creation keeps going, even if we just

focus on our little tiny world. I think ww should treat karma as

something that is neutral and that could have a negative or positive

form. As long as there is some negative, and some positive, the game

continues!

 

 

, Shripal <askvbnet>

wrote:

> Hi Ajith,

>

> I will agree to what you are saying,I was looking

> for such an answer,Question is Program is created by

> whom,or is it Vishnu himself is a part of a program.

> that is a question.But what ever you have tried to

> explains ,seem more understable.

>

> But i don't understand about karmas and prarabhd,Than

> question arises is who was a first person to do a

> sin,and why did he do that.So this all brings to what

> I have have said.

>

> --- ajith@o... wrote:

>

>

> Shirpal

> > wrote:Hi MARK,Rohiniji and ALL,

> Can we think a little different way,as Lord hassaid

> "whatever is going to happen is going to Happen ,No

> one in this universe can change that,not even lord

> himself"

> What I understand from this statement is that,

> World is like a movie,God has made it,every thing and

> each and every

> character is decided,Not only I am talking about

> yugas,But of all the

> yugas,From a time of making of this world to end of

> this world or movie.

> Karmas are terms that we use,Nothing such a sort

> exists.Every thing is a

> way it is ,and it has been decided.

>

>

> I disagree with what Shirpal has mentioned. It borders

> on fatalism. The

> purpose of creation is not because the creator wants

> to direct a

> prearranged movie. There is no joy in that for that

> which is said to Bliss

> itself. The purpose of creation is for the absolute,

> para Brahman to

> experience or know Himself Since there is none other

> than Himself, Maha

> purusha sacrificed himself into manifold and entered

> the relative plane or

> Maya. ( as explained in the vedas).It is only through

> the relative world

> that the Atman can know itself. The Atman, with

> association of prakriti and

> the gunas forgets it's real nature and associates with

> the samsara. And

> within, this delusion, the embodied at times feels

> powerless and forgets

> that He is the creator of his own destiny. !

>

> Events occur not because a Being deemed it to be so.

> The creator has

> created a "macro program" that allows inputs (action)

> to be automatically

> transalted into various outputs (results). And the

> inputs(reaction) to the

> output or event will itself modifies subsequent

> outcomes. So ultimately

> Life presents us opportunities to define who we are

> and that implicitly

> means that Life is constantly evolving because of our

> actions and reaction

> on a personal level and on a macro level as citizens

> of a country or a

> resident of the world.

>

> Additoanly this macro program or fate is multi

> dimensional and works at

> different levels. At the macro level, there is the

> prarabhada Karma or

> accumulated Karma, something akin to a balance sheet

> and there are subsets

> of that Karma , like Anarbhada Karma, which is like

> recent cash flow.

> Jyotish remedies , prayer and positive self

> affirmation can go a long way

> to improv

>

>

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