: Fate of a person can be changed....To Shirpal

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Shirpal

> wrote:Hi MARK,Rohiniji and ALL,

Can we think a little different way,as Lord hassaid

"whatever is going to happen is going to Happen ,No

one in this universe can change that,not even lord himself"

What I understand from this statement is that,

World is like a movie,God has made it,every thing and each and every

character is decided,Not only I am talking about yugas,But of all the

yugas,From a time of making of this world to end of this world or movie.

Karmas are terms that we use,Nothing such a sort exists.Every thing is a

way it is ,and it has been decided.

 

 

I disagree with what Shirpal has mentioned. It borders on fatalism. The

purpose of creation is not because the creator wants to direct a

prearranged movie. There is no joy in that for that which is said to Bliss

itself. The purpose of creation is for the absolute, para Brahman to

experience or know Himself Since there is none other than Himself, Maha

purusha sacrificed himself into manifold and entered the relative plane or

Maya. ( as explained in the vedas).It is only through the relative world

that the Atman can know itself. The Atman, with association of prakriti and

the gunas forgets it's real nature and associates with the samsara. And

within, this delusion, the embodied at times feels powerless and forgets

that He is the creator of his own destiny. !

 

Events occur not because a Being deemed it to be so. The creator has

created a "macro program" that allows inputs (action) to be automatically

transalted into various outputs (results). And the inputs(reaction) to the

output or event will itself modifies subsequent outcomes. So ultimately

Life presents us opportunities to define who we are and that implicitly

means that Life is constantly evolving because of our actions and reaction

on a personal level and on a macro level as citizens of a country or a

resident of the world.

 

Additoanly this macro program or fate is multi dimensional and works at

different levels. At the macro level, there is the prarabhada Karma or

accumulated Karma, something akin to a balance sheet and there are subsets

of that Karma , like Anarbhada Karma, which is like recent cash flow.

Jyotish remedies , prayer and positive self affirmation can go a long way

to improve or minimize the causative effects of Anarbhada Karma but

changing the balance sheet of prarabhada Karma is requires tremendous

effort. But since we do not know our Prarabhada Karma, the only thing we

can do is react in the "best" way to every event as Krishna has outlined in

the Gita, namely Bhakti, Karma, Yoga and Jyana.

 

This is how I understand Karma and Destiny. Others may have a different

opinion.

 

God bless

 

Ajith

 

 

K. Ajith

 

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<surya_prakashv@ cc:

> Re: Re: Fate of a

person can

be changed....MARK,Rohiniji and ALL

13/05/04 19:00

Please respond

to

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe in different contexts both are vaild ..

 

We should look at things with detachment maybe like

watching a movie (where emotions rise and fall but

dont shake ur ethos .. well at lesat in most cases) ..

 

at the same time action cannot justify itself by mere

supposition that nothing is in our hands !!

 

I dont to "what happens has to happen"

unless its a vipareet karma ... in all other cases we

have our own say in what has to happen I guess ...

 

Again I feel this is a difference between reality and

percieved reality ... all that happens around is

reality and surely not a movie .. however how we

percieve it is the movie we to !!

 

I believe god simply creates the situations that we

muse undergo to learn reality from the point of view

of our reality ... he however in most cases leaves the

outcome to our own actions !!

 

 

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> First we would have to have an absolute definition

> for sin!

> Sometimes what shows up as a sin and crime in a

> narrow one lifetime

> view looks differently when the full picture can be

> viewed. However,

> for most of us that takes us into the realm of

> speculations and

> discussion becomes fruitless. Just as it is not

> possible to discuss

> if we begin with the faith that everything is

> predetermined.

>

> If everything is predetermined, then we are all

> puppets and there

> can be no personal responsibility, no sin, no crime.

> The

> newage/hippy experiement based on that ideology

> unfortunately did

> not work too long, once the music stopped and the

> smoke cleared!

>

>

> , Shripal

> <askvbnet>

> wrote:

> > Hi MARK,Rohiniji and ALL,

> > Can we think a little different way,as Lord has

> > said

> > "whatever is going to happen is going to Happen

> ,No

> > one in this universe can change that,not even lord

> > himself"

> > What I understand from this statement is that,

> >

> > World is like a movie,God has made it,every thing

> and

> > each and every character is decided,Not only I am

> > talking about yugas,But of all the yugas,From a

> time

> > of making of this world to end of this world or

> movie.

> > Karmas are terms that we use,Nothing such a sort

> > exists.Every thing is a way it is ,and it has been

> > decided.

> >

> > But please let me know from you all,who is a first

> > person who did a sin,had a birth or died.

> >

> > That's what i am trying to say,Like movies you

> have to

> > start with something and that goes on,there is no

> > start point nor even ending.So how karmas,prarapdh

> or

> > good deeds come in to an action.When this movies

> will

> > over.

> >

> > Agian a new movies will be created by him,again

> > various

> > character will be there,again I will be writing a

> same

> > mail.

> >

> > There is no end to this,It is made the way it has

> to

> > be.

> >

> > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> >

> > I have come across such individuals, but not many.

> > And,

> > interpretations vary from one person to another,

> even

> > when

> > individuals are judging the same person (and of

> > course, it is always

> > the other person who is sadly mistaken in this

> > reality!;-)

> >

> > Anyway, if we look deep enough, there is always a

> > shred of

> > selfishness there. Not that it is by itself bad.

> The

> > point I was

> > making was that it does not have to be a pure

> intent

> > or consistently

> > pure intent or even an intent that is universally

> > perceived as pure.

> > Action is what matters. Often, given our narrow,

> > amnesic

> > perspective, we are poor judges of intent anyway.

> If

> > we engage in

> > action, soul-statistics takes care of itself.

> > What you all think about this?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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