RE: TO Mark Kincaid....5/12...the transit of the planet Venus.

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Mark Kincaid [m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com]Sent:

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:09 PMSubject:

2-Manish & All: from Mark Kincaid....5/12..... Re: Jyotish andjyotishisTo

Manish & All:To me, Jyotish, is synonomous with life itself.It's the nature of

life, that has meaning in our births.It's the nature of life, that's telling

us, when we start our day, and slipat the bottom of the stairs, that 'that' day

is going to be a little bitlike that....It's in the very nature of life, that

the very moment of our births,....is a flash,....representative of our

lives.That being said, there's still much to learn.Jyotish or Astrology...are

ancient and eternal knowledges....Which at some times and some places, will be

more or less perfect andprofound.In my case, having studied Jyotish, now, for

over 16 years....when I got through all the books, and started studing the

Transits,then,...baam!.... that's when Jyotish/Astrology came alive, to

me!Wow....I thought, Nature lives Astrology....If we all could learn how

Jyotish/ or Astrology,...helps us have greaterunderstanding about the very

lives that we're living....then it's purpose ispartly fulfilled...When I first

started studying Jyotish over 16 years ago, I had aninstinctive, feeling that

Jyotish 'worked'...thougth there were two aspectsto it,..that I also

felt...we're quite.....perfect....#1, has been the habit of Jyotish being too

negative...When I read any of the books that were available back then, they

were justfull of the worse kind of negativity, and pessimism....Also, I

noticed, that almost every Jyotish I had every heard about had madesome

predictions that hadn't turned out to be true...So, I thought,...okay, let's

try and look at this thing positively....and made steer away from making

predictions...So, I focused on personality analysis, and within a very short

time,realized.... that we all really do fit our charts....Now, the future of

Jyotish & Western Astrology, too....needs to become truely scientific....Life

is scientific.....It's allow itself, revealed it's secrets to people who care

to listen....and Jyotish is completely like this...Take any rule, principle or

idea in Jyotish .....and you can find it in reallife...Jyotish says the

Moon.... represents people's emotions, emotionalstability...Well, that should

be easy enough to validate.Take 1,000 people, right out of the phone book, ask

them a slew of questionsdesigned to determine emotional maturity, strength, and

EQ!, and thencompare to these people's Jyotish charts....We should be able to

find a remarkable correlation .....Take the Sun.It's supposed to represent

one's self-confidence...Well, that's easy to study too.Intellect?,...that's

Mercury,.... and intellectual capacity, communicationsskills, decision

makings..... all these too should correspond...Jyotish is Real....and therefore

studyable, therefore, scientific.....We all have the great joy and privilege....

to pass on this knowledge...To find it's truths inside of us...And as we do

that.... then, turn on others to this great knowledge...I used to be a

Philosophy & Education major in college.... and believe me,there's no

Philosophy,.... in the entire World, that so clearly captures theessence of

every human beings birth...Our charts, are snap-shots, pictures, of our lives

to come...However, don't forget.... we still have freedom....We still can

choose, to do this or that....We can go with the 'destiny' our lives started

with....or move in other directions....Free will & determinism.....?Two of the

greatest Principles....and questions of life, eternal....Freedom is expressed

by our Jupiter's.....Determinism...is captured by our Saturn's....Learn your

own chart, and all doubts regarding Jyotish will evaporate....Jai

Guru!Sincerely,Mark KincaidPS....for those of you who haven't heard, I also

write a Jyotishnewsletter. It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as well as

otheraspects of Jyotish as well. If you, or anyone else in this group is

interested, insubscribing, feel free to contact me personally at:

m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) comI, also have a new /message board,

called which is a nice blending of both Western &

EasternAstrologys. You cancheck that out at:

/> "manish_p_jain"

<manish_p_jain >> > Date:

Wed, 05 May 2004 06:54:58 -0000> > Subject:

Re: Jyotish and jyotishis> > Dear All,> > Please do not mind my long

message. I just want to write down some> perspectives on Jyotish for

reflection. I hope to describe the> subjects vastness and complexity.> >

--Jyotish tries to capture the effects of time. At highest level it> is attuned

to the evolution of the creation.> > --We know from several texts that all the

planets now considered in> the horoscope were great beings who were granted

boons/offices and> became office bearers.> > --As such several luminaries,

including constellations and remote> stars, new stars etc would affect the

magnetic fields and influence> life. However only the nine planets and 12

houses for most of our> work. As these luminaries are also live beings and ever

engaged in> sadhana, there qualities and properties, inter-relationships keep>

changing.> > --There are many systems in vogue bequeathed by various sages. It

is> my humble understanding that these systems cannot be mixed together,>

neither the rishis have penned down everything. Some texts are> explicit on

this matter, esp. areas on longevity and graha dasas> > --In BHPS itself 40

dasa systems are mentioned!! BHPS indicates that> D-150 (Nadi-Amsa) is very

important, which means accuracy of charts> upto 12 mts of accuracy -- any

mathematician can calculate now the> total combinations of 12 planets.

Practically it is extremely> difficult to construct a Nadi-amsa with any

reliability.> > --Also to be considered are place, family, cultural factors. As

we> know, there are various jyotish traditions all over the world,> developed in

different times and places and helpful to various> peoples and traditions. In my

view, different astrological factors> have governed the various cultures at

various times, so it could be> that eastern astrology may not apply to people

from other cultures.> E.g. some metaphysical texts assign various planetary

rulers to> various races like, White - Venus, Yellow- Mars, Brown - Mercury,>

Black - Jupiter. Yet due to the mixing of various cultures today, it> is

difficult to identify which system is applicable to whom. In my> view it is

presumptious to suppose that one system will fit all.> > --My own view is that

it takes intuition to learn jyotish. Intuition> can only be developed under

discipleship. Most people have varied> degrees of intuition, usually it gets

mixed up by the desires and> passions and is not understood. The intuition has

to be developed to> become steady, only then it is reliable.> > I am unable to

describe all what I think about this subject. Suffice> it to say that we have

to proceed with extreme caution in our> studies, step-by-step and try to verify

whatever we understand. Maybe> some of the more learned members can throw light

with brevity and> precision. Please pardon my poor articulation, but I hope to

bring> some important matters on the table for discussion> > -Manish P. Jain> >

, "Manas Kumar"> <manaskumar@h...>

wrote:>> Just happened to read a message by KN Rao a revered teacher, writer>>

and acclaimed jyotishi, on a jyotish weblist. His writings indicate>> that most

jyotishis are either sadly mistaken or at the worst,>> simply crooks and

vultures (not his word, but meaning) and must be>> regulated and so on. He is

careful never to name anyone, but his>> reference to 'kavachs' and "schools"

leaves little to imagination.>> >> How do individuals feel on this list? Have

you experienced,>> personally or through a jyotishi any evidence that indicates

that>> jyotish can be accurate, consistently?>> >> Be very careful, because many

of these jyotishis who take charts to>> bed and then do japam and meditation on

the chart as "a picture>> emerges, slowly and reveals its contents ..." may be

actually>> invoking something that is neither jyotish based nor logic->

dependent.>> >> The odd jyotishi may be an accurate prognosticator and some

can> even >> justify their predictions using some astrological rules, but I>>

cannot forget what I heard one of my teachers say: If astrology is>> all

techniques then it must be transferable to a large extent>> without a lot of

spiritual mumbo-jumbo or even considerations.> After >> all there are more

mechanics that have comparable and good level of>> skills than astrologers. How

can two 'technical/scientific' and> thus >> transferable skill have such

different track records, in modern>> world? <end of quote>> > > > > ~! LIFE

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