Astrology at Stake??:I think I found my answers: Souvik

[Guest guest]

Hi members,

 

I had posted some questions some time ago...

 

In brief, they were like this:

 

1. When were the planets created. Does each of the planets too

have a horoscope. Well, if Ganeshji can have a horoscope then why not

the planets? Then, Saturn will have all the planets (perhaps) except

Saturn itself in HIS the horoscope! What was the timing or Order of

creation of the planets? I mean Sun first, then...Since the planets

were not eternal, they got created some point of TIME (both wrt the

BIG BANG theory or the Vedic Theory) and thus they must come to an

end (Destruction). So what is considered in their horoscope?

 

2. If a child (human or otherwise) is born on Mars, will Earth be a

benefic or malefic towards him. Is Earth a natural benefic or

malefic to other planets?

 

3. In Time, there was a time when these zodiacs, nakshatras,

planets nothing existed. Then there was a time that they did exist.

So what is the "Horoscope" of Taurus Zodiac or Ashwini Nakshatra? I

am sure that they are not eternal. So can their time of destruction be

predicted? What will be the factors that determine that?

 

4. Can astrology by merely seeing a chart(horoscope) say that it is

the chart of a Nation or an indivual or a cat or of the Time a

person has had lunch with his Boss?

 

Although there were comments about not to invent theories but to

discover them and so on, I found these questions very valid.

 

So I thought, discussed, thought again and only yesterday I was

convinced that I knew the answers.

 

Well, in brief, these are the answers according to my individual view:

 

1. Yes, planets too are in the cycle of time. However, for us

earthlings, there movement forms a notion of time and for them, Earth

and all other heavenly bodies would form a similar notion. No, Saturn

would obviously not have Saturn in "HIS" horoscope but just like

Earth it would have a North and a South node to identify its axis.

For Earth this Axis is represented by Rahu and Ketu. Their (Saturn,

Jupiter,etc.) end and beginning would be a function of the astral

forces (including Earth) governing them. It is all a theory of mitual

relationship.

 

2. Earth would be a natural malefic to any other planet and its

inhabitant. I would be bringing up a document very soon to this group

to prove my point. Earth would act as a malefic to Martians,

Venusians etc.

 

3. All celestial beings effect each other so on a very broad level I

can say that:

Just as the Centrifugal force is holding all planets in the Solar

system steady and preventing them to collide with each other, So are

each and every celestial beings/bodies in the universe in perfect

balance and harmony. Any one's destiny is determined by its

relationship with the others. So probably in the Birth Chart

(Horocsope) of Ashwini Nakshatra there would be 26 or even more

predominant entities to determine its destiny.

 

4. Astrology is a child of Time. A one point of time n-no. of

occurances may take place, so a particular time stamp may stand for

the chart of a Nation or an indivual or a cat or of the Time a

person has had lunch with his Boss, that doesnot make the difference.

However, given the knowledge of the subject underconsideration, can

only further analysis be carried out. A similar example would be a

theory like bouyancy. It could be applicable in an areoplane or a

boat, the subject would determine its further analysis.

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

[Guest guest]

My thoughts are:

 

1. Astrology is a very wide subject and the

horoscope branch of Astrology is a filtered essence of

that subject as it applies to humans on earth. It

covers a lot more, but the irrelevant parts have been

excluded out... Much like Medicine is a very wide

subject, MBBS is only for humans, Veterinary for

animals and an Auto mechanic for autos .. one cannot

blindly apply one branch for another .. you cannot put

glycodin or Vicks for a car engine coughing

 

Similarly you cannot just apply horoscopes to dogs and

cars even though they all have a lifespan, a creation

time and a useful lifetime. You have to re-include

the excluded topics and see if a cat and car horoscope

is possible.

 

> Well, if Ganeshji can have a

> horoscope then why not

> the planets? Then, Saturn will have all the planets

> (perhaps) except

> Saturn itself in HIS the horoscope!

 

This is mixing up too many concepts together and

invalid argument..

 

Shri Ram as a human Avatar of Lord Vishnu will have a

horoscope that will address his human aspect only ..

the Inherent Godliness by virtue of being an avatar

cannot be governed by the horoscope .. Various avatar

forms of The supreme will have a horoscope, but the

Almighty himself does not have a horoscope atleast not

with the rules meant for humans on earth.

 

Your's and my horoscope has the planets, but you and

me in our horoscopes because we are peers. You may

affect my life in some way, even profoundly or

soundly, but that is dictated by our horoscopes, not

by your presence in my horoscope.

 

Saturn and other planets themselves cannot have any of

the other planets in our solar system in their

horoscopes. The other planets are equals or peers they

can have the Sun, as the Sun is not a peer .. and

other stars and constellations in their horoscopes ...

The Solar system or Sun's horoscopes will not have Sun

as a component and not even other stars as they are

peers, but Constellations and Gallaxies ... their

timeframes run in billions of years, whereas human

horoscopes run in years, hours and minutes. Trying to

apply the human horoscopes to the sun and stars is

like treating an elephant's headache with an asprin.

It is a different plane altogether where one's rules

and significances is a non issue for the other.

 

Now talk of a Martian life, not just any life, but a

"martian being" in Mars .. Our Human being Horoscope

is unlikely to apply as it is for humans on earth, not

martians on mars. But some other form of horoscope

certainly could apply. Will it have Chandra or the

Moon in their horoscopes? Yes, but not our moon, but

a Martian moon. The effect of our moon will be too

little the earth and moon will be together regarded as

one entity, together they will effect as one entity.

Life on Saturn will have the effect of its rings and

its many bigger moons will play a significant part as

they are a dominant force there not our moon. It is

like Einstien's Theory of relativity, it applies only

at speeds close to light, it is tooo insignificant to

affect things travelling at the speed of a bicycle.

Note we are only talking of the horoscope of life in

Mars and Jupiter, not Mars and Jupiter itself.

 

So why does not the manmade satelites affect our

horoscopes? How come we are not starting to have

Sputnik and Space stations in our 12 houses? They are

insignificant peices of rocks thats why, thier effect

is too insignificant. In maybe 5000 years, our

technology may advance so much to develop gigantic

nuclear powered tracter beams that can yank a moon

away from Mars or Jupiter and glide it to our own

orbit near the moon to give us one more moon. Yes if

such a celestial spectacle was to take place,

undoubtedly it will have a drastic effect on life on

earth, it will effect subsequent life without a doubt.

It is natural to conclude that a second moon will have

to figure in the horoscopes of people born after.

The original notes used to arrive at the horoscope

system has to be revisited to address the new

situation.

 

The moon is receding about an inch and a half every

year. In some million years, it will be out further

that it will then take about 2 to 3 months for each

revolution around the earth, not the one that it takes

now. The current horoscope system is refined and

filtered to deal with human life on earth for current

times, and may hold true for another 100 thousand

years. It has to be re-invented or fine tuned again

when positions change drastically or significantly.

 

If Niel Armstrong had decided not to return to earth

and lived on the moon with his family, would his

horoscope change? No, he was a human born on earth. it

still applies to him no matter where he moved. Had he

got a child when on the moon, would his baby have a

different horoscope? Surely .. being a human descent

the horoscope principles would still apply but

planetary adjustments with interchanging the earth and

moon would have to be done, a chapter that is not

covered currently .. it has to be rediscovered,

restudied and applied.

 

My insignificant $0.02 worth.

 

N Karthik.

 

 

 

--- OM <explore_vulcan wrote:

> Hi members,

>

> I had posted some questions some time ago...

>

> In brief, they were like this:

>

> 1. When were the planets created. Does each of the

> planets too

> have a horoscope. Well, if Ganeshji can have a

> horoscope then why not

> the planets? Then, Saturn will have all the planets

> (perhaps) except

> Saturn itself in HIS the horoscope! What was the

> timing or Order of

> creation of the planets? I mean Sun first,

> then...Since the planets

> were not eternal, they got created some point of

> TIME (both wrt the

> BIG BANG theory or the Vedic Theory) and thus they

> must come to an

> end (Destruction). So what is considered in their

> horoscope?

>

> 2. If a child (human or otherwise) is born on Mars,

> will Earth be a

> benefic or malefic towards him. Is Earth a natural

> benefic or

> malefic to other planets?

>

> 3. In Time, there was a time when these zodiacs,

> nakshatras,

> planets nothing existed. Then there was a time that

> they did exist.

> So what is the "Horoscope" of Taurus Zodiac or

> Ashwini Nakshatra? I

> am sure that they are not eternal. So can their time

> of destruction be

> predicted? What will be the factors that determine

> that?

>

> 4. Can astrology by merely seeing a chart(horoscope)

> say that it is

> the chart of a Nation or an indivual or a cat or of

> the Time a

> person has had lunch with his Boss?

>

> Although there were comments about not to invent

> theories but to

> discover them and so on, I found these questions

> very valid.

>

> So I thought, discussed, thought again and only

> yesterday I was

> convinced that I knew the answers.

>

> Well, in brief, these are the answers according to

> my individual view:

>

> 1. Yes, planets too are in the cycle of time.

> However, for us

> earthlings, there movement forms a notion of time

> and for them, Earth

> and all other heavenly bodies would form a similar

> notion. No, Saturn

> would obviously not have Saturn in "HIS" horoscope

> but just like

> Earth it would have a North and a South node to

> identify its axis.

> For Earth this Axis is represented by Rahu and Ketu.

> Their (Saturn,

> Jupiter,etc.) end and beginning would be a function

> of the astral

> forces (including Earth) governing them. It is all a

> theory of mitual

> relationship.

>

> 2. Earth would be a natural malefic to any other

> planet and its

> inhabitant. I would be bringing up a document very

> soon to this group

> to prove my point. Earth would act as a malefic to

> Martians,

> Venusians etc.

>

> 3. All celestial beings effect each other so on a

> very broad level I

> can say that:

> Just as the Centrifugal force is holding all planets

> in the Solar

> system steady and preventing them to collide with

> each other, So are

> each and every celestial beings/bodies in the

> universe in perfect

> balance and harmony. Any one's destiny is determined

> by its

> relationship with the others. So probably in the

> Birth Chart

> (Horocsope) of Ashwini Nakshatra there would be 26

> or even more

> predominant entities to determine its destiny.

>

> 4. Astrology is a child of Time. A one point of time

> n-no. of

> occurances may take place, so a particular time

> stamp may stand for

> the chart of a Nation or an indivual or a cat or of

> the Time a

> person has had lunch with his Boss, that doesnot

> make the difference.

> However, given the knowledge of the subject

> underconsideration, can

> only further analysis be carried out. A similar

> example would be a

> theory like bouyancy. It could be applicable in an

> areoplane or a

> boat, the subject would determine its further

> analysis.

>

> Regards,

>

> Souvik

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear N Karthik,

 

Excellent explanation. I would then ask you to do something that I

always tried to implement and explain but was unsuccesful:

The Universal Rule of Astrology

Is it possible to lay such an emperical formula or theory,

independent of time and space?

Please do respond Sir!

 

Thanks a ton!!

 

Souvik

 

, n karthik <nkarthik99>

wrote:

> My thoughts are:

>

> 1. Astrology is a very wide subject and the

> horoscope branch of Astrology is a filtered essence of

> that subject as it applies to humans on earth. It

> covers a lot more, but the irrelevant parts have been

> excluded out... Much like Medicine is a very wide

> subject, MBBS is only for humans, Veterinary for

> animals and an Auto mechanic for autos .. one cannot

> blindly apply one branch for another .. you cannot put

> glycodin or Vicks for a car engine coughing

>

> Similarly you cannot just apply horoscopes to dogs and

> cars even though they all have a lifespan, a creation

> time and a useful lifetime. You have to re-include

> the excluded topics and see if a cat and car horoscope

> is possible.

>

> > Well, if Ganeshji can have a

> > horoscope then why not

> > the planets? Then, Saturn will have all the planets

> > (perhaps) except

> > Saturn itself in HIS the horoscope!

>

> This is mixing up too many concepts together and

> invalid argument..

>

> Shri Ram as a human Avatar of Lord Vishnu will have a

> horoscope that will address his human aspect only ..

> the Inherent Godliness by virtue of being an avatar

> cannot be governed by the horoscope .. Various avatar

> forms of The supreme will have a horoscope, but the

> Almighty himself does not have a horoscope atleast not

> with the rules meant for humans on earth.

>

> Your's and my horoscope has the planets, but you and

> me in our horoscopes because we are peers. You may

> affect my life in some way, even profoundly or

> soundly, but that is dictated by our horoscopes, not

> by your presence in my horoscope.

>

> Saturn and other planets themselves cannot have any of

> the other planets in our solar system in their

> horoscopes. The other planets are equals or peers they

> can have the Sun, as the Sun is not a peer .. and

> other stars and constellations in their horoscopes ...

> The Solar system or Sun's horoscopes will not have Sun

> as a component and not even other stars as they are

> peers, but Constellations and Gallaxies ... their

> timeframes run in billions of years, whereas human

> horoscopes run in years, hours and minutes. Trying to

> apply the human horoscopes to the sun and stars is

> like treating an elephant's headache with an asprin.

> It is a different plane altogether where one's rules

> and significances is a non issue for the other.

>

> Now talk of a Martian life, not just any life, but a

> "martian being" in Mars .. Our Human being Horoscope

> is unlikely to apply as it is for humans on earth, not

> martians on mars. But some other form of horoscope

> certainly could apply. Will it have Chandra or the

> Moon in their horoscopes? Yes, but not our moon, but

> a Martian moon. The effect of our moon will be too

> little the earth and moon will be together regarded as

> one entity, together they will effect as one entity.

> Life on Saturn will have the effect of its rings and

> its many bigger moons will play a significant part as

> they are a dominant force there not our moon. It is

> like Einstien's Theory of relativity, it applies only

> at speeds close to light, it is tooo insignificant to

> affect things travelling at the speed of a bicycle.

> Note we are only talking of the horoscope of life in

> Mars and Jupiter, not Mars and Jupiter itself.

>

> So why does not the manmade satelites affect our

> horoscopes? How come we are not starting to have

> Sputnik and Space stations in our 12 houses? They are

> insignificant peices of rocks thats why, thier effect

> is too insignificant. In maybe 5000 years, our

> technology may advance so much to develop gigantic

> nuclear powered tracter beams that can yank a moon

> away from Mars or Jupiter and glide it to our own

> orbit near the moon to give us one more moon. Yes if

> such a celestial spectacle was to take place,

> undoubtedly it will have a drastic effect on life on

> earth, it will effect subsequent life without a doubt.

> It is natural to conclude that a second moon will have

> to figure in the horoscopes of people born after.

> The original notes used to arrive at the horoscope

> system has to be revisited to address the new

> situation.

>

> The moon is receding about an inch and a half every

> year. In some million years, it will be out further

> that it will then take about 2 to 3 months for each

> revolution around the earth, not the one that it takes

> now. The current horoscope system is refined and

> filtered to deal with human life on earth for current

> times, and may hold true for another 100 thousand

> years. It has to be re-invented or fine tuned again

> when positions change drastically or significantly.

>

> If Niel Armstrong had decided not to return to earth

> and lived on the moon with his family, would his

> horoscope change? No, he was a human born on earth. it

> still applies to him no matter where he moved. Had he

> got a child when on the moon, would his baby have a

> different horoscope? Surely .. being a human descent

> the horoscope principles would still apply but

> planetary adjustments with interchanging the earth and

> moon would have to be done, a chapter that is not

> covered currently .. it has to be rediscovered,

> restudied and applied.

>

> My insignificant $0.02 worth.

>

> N Karthik.

>

>

>

> --- OM <explore_vulcan> wrote:

> > Hi members,

> >

> > I had posted some questions some time ago...

> >

> > In brief, they were like this:

> >

> > 1. When were the planets created. Does each of the

> > planets too

> > have a horoscope. Well, if Ganeshji can have a

> > horoscope then why not

> > the planets? Then, Saturn will have all the planets

> > (perhaps) except

> > Saturn itself in HIS the horoscope! What was the

> > timing or Order of

> > creation of the planets? I mean Sun first,

> > then...Since the planets

> > were not eternal, they got created some point of

> > TIME (both wrt the

> > BIG BANG theory or the Vedic Theory) and thus they

> > must come to an

> > end (Destruction). So what is considered in their

> > horoscope?

> >

> > 2. If a child (human or otherwise) is born on Mars,

> > will Earth be a

> > benefic or malefic towards him. Is Earth a natural

> > benefic or

> > malefic to other planets?

> >

> > 3. In Time, there was a time when these zodiacs,

> > nakshatras,

> > planets nothing existed. Then there was a time that

> > they did exist.

> > So what is the "Horoscope" of Taurus Zodiac or

> > Ashwini Nakshatra? I

> > am sure that they are not eternal. So can their time

> > of destruction be

> > predicted? What will be the factors that determine

> > that?

> >

> > 4. Can astrology by merely seeing a chart(horoscope)

> > say that it is

> > the chart of a Nation or an indivual or a cat or of

> > the Time a

> > person has had lunch with his Boss?

> >

> > Although there were comments about not to invent

> > theories but to

> > discover them and so on, I found these questions

> > very valid.

> >

> > So I thought, discussed, thought again and only

> > yesterday I was

> > convinced that I knew the answers.

> >

> > Well, in brief, these are the answers according to

> > my individual view:

> >

> > 1. Yes, planets too are in the cycle of time.

> > However, for us

> > earthlings, there movement forms a notion of time

> > and for them, Earth

> > and all other heavenly bodies would form a similar

> > notion. No, Saturn

> > would obviously not have Saturn in "HIS" horoscope

> > but just like

> > Earth it would have a North and a South node to

> > identify its axis.

> > For Earth this Axis is represented by Rahu and Ketu.

> > Their (Saturn,

> > Jupiter,etc.) end and beginning would be a function

> > of the astral

> > forces (including Earth) governing them. It is all a

> > theory of mitual

> > relationship.

> >

> > 2. Earth would be a natural malefic to any other

> > planet and its

> > inhabitant. I would be bringing up a document very

> > soon to this group

> > to prove my point. Earth would act as a malefic to

> > Martians,

> > Venusians etc.

> >

> > 3. All celestial beings effect each other so on a

> > very broad level I

> > can say that:

> > Just as the Centrifugal force is holding all planets

> > in the Solar

> > system steady and preventing them to collide with

> > each other, So are

> > each and every celestial beings/bodies in the

> > universe in perfect

> > balance and harmony. Any one's destiny is determined

> > by its

> > relationship with the others. So probably in the

> > Birth Chart

> > (Horocsope) of Ashwini Nakshatra there would be 26

> > or even more

> > predominant entities to determine its destiny.

> >

> > 4. Astrology is a child of Time. A one point of time

> > n-no. of

> > occurances may take place, so a particular time

> > stamp may stand for

> > the chart of a Nation or an indivual or a cat or of

> > the Time a

> > person has had lunch with his Boss, that doesnot

> > make the difference.

> > However, given the knowledge of the subject

> > underconsideration, can

> > only further analysis be carried out. A similar

> > example would be a

> > theory like bouyancy. It could be applicable in an

> > areoplane or a

> > boat, the subject would determine its further

> > analysis.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Souvik.

 

Firstly I am flattered that you see something in my

answer. Secondly you asked me to reply so here I do.

But what you are asking is really beyond me. I am at

the pre KG level when it comes to Horoscopes compared

to so many others here. I dont even understand most of

the terms.

 

Secondly just where we are with this knowledge has

taken a real MAHA MAHARISHI to have started this, then

over atleast a 1000 years of research and refinement

by revered gurus, we have the current systems and its

variations (Western, Indian and Chinese)

 

> The Universal Rule of Astrology

 

could take years and years of PhD material. Plus

someone else mentioned here. We now have only the

results, where are the work papers or basis of the

research? What happened to it? In other words, how

did it start, what are the things they left out? what

are the things that they went a distance and found

does not explain many things and therefore drop it?

where and what are the theories that they discarded ?

Those discarded items may actually hold some key to

the questions you are asking.

 

Our horoscopes cover only a span of 160 years so that

it covers some aspect of the Balance Dasa and even a

max lifetime of 120 years which is ok for an average

individual. I can only guess that if we were to take

the horoscopes of the planets, sun, solar system or

stars .. it must cover a span of billions of years. In

horoscopes of humans, we talk of a planet moving to

another house some time between months to some years.

which all of us will be there to observe and make

sense. The horoscope of a planet on the other hand

will have to cover some billions of years, and each

constellation moving around to the next house in the

chart will be atleast a 1000 million years. the

problem is mans lifetime is so small compared to this

it does not matter at all when a change does occur for

the planet. after a 1000 million years? no one can

observe it. Thus they must have just abandoned it at

that level. there are particles like mu-mesons that

are created by the sun and emitted periodically .. the

half life of these particles is in the range of only a

few micro seconds ..

 

I think what you are asking is to see if there is one

overall law that covers the stars themselves, to

humans, cats, cars, tennis balls, comets and

mu-mesons?

 

Something like a webpage that gives you an overall

picture and as you keep clicking on an item it gets

deeper and deeper with subsequent clicks to get the

horoscope of any item we can think of.

 

IF we get enough people interested, it could take

years to come up with something convincing. You are

almost asking "Give me just one overall principle that

explains the laws of Physics, Chemistry, Biology,

Medicine, economics, genetics and maths all together".

I think it is a very ambitious request. The laws we

know today apply today, I do not know if in a billion

years, life will exist as we know of it today and if

the laws of physics as we know it now will be any

longer valid. So to get a law that is stagnant in

time and space will be challenging.

 

I am not even sure if all the other members of this

group, whom I respect tremendously, will even accept

if this is a relevant topic in this group.

 

My apologies if I am distracting anyone.

 

Karthik.

 

 

 

 

--- OM <explore_vulcan wrote:

> Dear N Karthik,

>

> Excellent explanation. I would then ask you to do

> something that I

> always tried to implement and explain but was

> unsuccesful:

> The Universal Rule of Astrology

> Is it possible to lay such an emperical formula or

> theory,

> independent of time and space?

> Please do respond Sir!

>

> Thanks a ton!!

>

> Souvik

>

> , n karthik

> <nkarthik99>

> wrote:

> > My thoughts are:

> >

> > 1. Astrology is a very wide subject and the

> > horoscope branch of Astrology is a filtered

> essence of

> > that subject as it applies to humans on earth. It

> > covers a lot more, but the irrelevant parts have

> been

> > excluded out... Much like Medicine is a very wide

> > subject, MBBS is only for humans, Veterinary for

> > animals and an Auto mechanic for autos .. one

> cannot

> > blindly apply one branch for another .. you cannot

> put

> > glycodin or Vicks for a car engine coughing

> >

> > Similarly you cannot just apply horoscopes to dogs

> and

> > cars even though they all have a lifespan, a

> creation

> > time and a useful lifetime. You have to

> re-include

> > the excluded topics and see if a cat and car

> horoscope

> > is possible.

> >

> > > Well, if Ganeshji can have a

> > > horoscope then why not

> > > the planets? Then, Saturn will have all the

> planets

> > > (perhaps) except

> > > Saturn itself in HIS the horoscope!

> >

> > This is mixing up too many concepts together and

> > invalid argument..

> >

> > Shri Ram as a human Avatar of Lord Vishnu will

> have a

> > horoscope that will address his human aspect only

> ..

> > the Inherent Godliness by virtue of being an

> avatar

> > cannot be governed by the horoscope .. Various

> avatar

> > forms of The supreme will have a horoscope, but

> the

> > Almighty himself does not have a horoscope atleast

> not

> > with the rules meant for humans on earth.

> >

> > Your's and my horoscope has the planets, but you

> and

> > me in our horoscopes because we are peers. You may

> > affect my life in some way, even profoundly or

> > soundly, but that is dictated by our horoscopes,

> not

> > by your presence in my horoscope.

> >

> > Saturn and other planets themselves cannot have

> any of

> > the other planets in our solar system in their

> > horoscopes. The other planets are equals or peers

> they

> > can have the Sun, as the Sun is not a peer .. and

> > other stars and constellations in their horoscopes

> ...

> > The Solar system or Sun's horoscopes will not have

> Sun

> > as a component and not even other stars as they

> are

> > peers, but Constellations and Gallaxies ... their

> > timeframes run in billions of years, whereas human

> > horoscopes run in years, hours and minutes. Trying

> to

> > apply the human horoscopes to the sun and stars is

> > like treating an elephant's headache with an

> asprin.

> > It is a different plane altogether where one's

> rules

> > and significances is a non issue for the other.

> >

> > Now talk of a Martian life, not just any life, but

> a

> > "martian being" in Mars .. Our Human being

> Horoscope

> > is unlikely to apply as it is for humans on earth,

> not

> > martians on mars. But some other form of

> horoscope

> > certainly could apply. Will it have Chandra or

> the

> > Moon in their horoscopes? Yes, but not our moon,

> but

> > a Martian moon. The effect of our moon will be

> too

> > little the earth and moon will be together

> regarded as

> > one entity, together they will effect as one

> entity.

> > Life on Saturn will have the effect of its rings

> and

> > its many bigger moons will play a significant part

> as

> > they are a dominant force there not our moon. It

> is

> > like Einstien's Theory of relativity, it applies

> only

> > at speeds close to light, it is tooo insignificant

> to

> > affect things travelling at the speed of a

> bicycle.

> > Note we are only talking of the horoscope of life

> in

> > Mars and Jupiter, not Mars and Jupiter itself.

> >

> > So why does not the manmade satelites affect our

> > horoscopes? How come we are not starting to have

> > Sputnik and Space stations in our 12 houses? They

> are

> > insignificant peices of rocks thats why, thier

> effect

> > is too insignificant. In maybe 5000 years, our

> > technology may advance so much to develop gigantic

> > nuclear powered tracter beams that can yank a moon

> > away from Mars or Jupiter and glide it to our own

> > orbit near the moon to give us one more moon. Yes

> if

> > such a celestial spectacle was to take place,

> > undoubtedly it will have a drastic effect on life

> on

> > earth, it will effect subsequent life without a

> doubt.

> > It is natural to conclude that a second moon will

> have

> > to figure in the horoscopes of people born after.

>

> > The original notes used to arrive at the horoscope

> > system has to be revisited to address the new

> > situation.

> >

> > The moon is receding about an inch and a half

> every

> > year. In some million years, it will be out

> further

> > that it will then take about 2 to 3 months for

> each

> > revolution around the earth, not the one that it

> takes

> > now. The current horoscope system is refined and

> > filtered to deal with human life on earth for

> current

> > times, and may hold true for another 100 thousand

> > years. It has to be re-invented or fine tuned

> again

> > when positions change drastically or

> significantly.

> >

> > If Niel Armstrong had decided not to return to

> earth

> > and lived on the moon with his family, would his

> > horoscope change? No, he was a human born on

> earth. it

> > still applies to him no matter where he moved.

> Had he

> > got a child when on the moon, would his baby have

> a

> > different horoscope? Surely .. being a human

> descent

> > the horoscope principles would still apply but

> > planetary adjustments with interchanging the earth

> and

> > moon would have to be done, a chapter that is not

> > covered currently .. it has to be rediscovered,

> > restudied and applied.

> >

> > My insignificant $0.02 worth.

> >

> > N Karthik.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- OM <explore_vulcan> wrote:

> > > Hi members,

> > >

> > > I had posted some questions some time ago...

> > >

> > > In brief, they were like this:

> > >

> > > 1. When were the planets created. Does each of

> the

> > > planets too

> > > have a horoscope. Well, if Ganeshji can have a

> > > horoscope then why not

> > > the planets? Then, Saturn will have all the

> planets

> > > (perhaps) except

> > > Saturn itself in HIS the horoscope! What was the

> > > timing or Order of

> > > creation of the planets? I mean Sun first,

> > > then...Since the planets

> > > were not eternal, they got created some point of

> > > TIME (both wrt the

> > > BIG BANG theory or the Vedic Theory) and thus

> they

> > > must come to an

> > > end (Destruction). So what is considered in

> their

> > > horoscope?

> > >

> > > 2. If a child (human or otherwise) is born on

> Mars,

> > > will Earth be a

> > > benefic or malefic towards him. Is Earth a

> natural

> > > benefic or

> > > malefic to other planets?

> > >

> > > 3. In Time, there was a time when these zodiacs,

> > > nakshatras,

> > > planets nothing existed. Then there was a time

> that

> > > they did exist.

> > > So what is the "Horoscope" of Taurus Zodiac or

> > > Ashwini Nakshatra? I

> > > am sure that they are not eternal. So can their

> time

> > > of destruction be

> > > predicted? What will be the factors that

> determine

> > > that?

> > >

> > > 4. Can astrology by merely seeing a

> chart(horoscope)

> > > say that it is

> > > the chart of a Nation or an indivual or a cat or

> of

> > > the Time a

> > > person has had lunch with his Boss?

> > >

> > > Although there were comments about not to invent

> > > theories but to

> > > discover them and so on, I found these questions

> > > very valid.

> > >

> > > So I thought, discussed, thought again and only

> > > yesterday I was

> > > convinced that I knew the answers.

> > >

> > > Well, in brief, these are the answers according

> to

> > > my individual view:

> > >

> > > 1. Yes, planets too are in the cycle of time.

> > > However, for us

> > > earthlings, there movement forms a notion of

> time

> > > and for them, Earth

> > > and all other heavenly bodies would form a

> similar

> > > notion. No, Saturn

> > > would obviously not have Saturn in "HIS"

> horoscope

> > > but just like

> > > Earth it would have a North and a South node to

> > > identify its axis.

> > > For Earth this Axis is represented by Rahu and

> Ketu.

> > > Their (Saturn,

> > > Jupiter,etc.) end and beginning would be a

> function

> > > of the astral

> > > forces (including Earth) governing them. It is

> all a

> > > theory of mitual

> > > relationship.

> > >

> > > 2. Earth would be a natural malefic to any other

> > > planet and its

> > > inhabitant. I would be bringing up a document

> very

> > > soon to this group

> > > to prove my point. Earth would act as a malefic

> to

> > > Martians,

> > > Venusians etc.

> > >

> > > 3. All celestial beings effect each other so on

> a

> > > very broad level I

> > > can say that:

> > > Just as the Centrifugal force is holding all

> planets

> > > in the Solar

> > > system steady and preventing them to collide

> with

> > > each other, So are

> > > each and every celestial beings/bodies in the

> > > universe in perfect

> > > balance and harmony. Any one's destiny is

> determined

> > > by its

> > > relationship with the others. So probably in the

> > > Birth Chart

> > > (Horocsope) of Ashwini Nakshatra there would be

> 26

> > > or even more

> > > predominant entities to determine its destiny.

> > >

> > > 4. Astrology is a child of Time. A one point of

> time

> > > n-no. of

> > > occurances may take place, so a particular time

> > > stamp may stand for

> > > the chart of a Nation or an indivual or a cat or

> of

> > > the Time a

> > > person has had lunch with his Boss, that doesnot

> > > make the difference.

> > > However, given the knowledge of the subject

> > > underconsideration, can

> > > only further analysis be carried out. A similar

> > > example would be a

> > > theory like bouyancy. It could be applicable in

> an

> > > areoplane or a

> > > boat, the subject would determine its further

> > > analysis.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Souvik

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Souvik,

 

A great man once said to me, "be childlike without

being childish" ... I believe the wonder in you that

prompted you to ask the questions that you did was

childlike and maybe the mail that I had sent was

childish ...

To that extent I tender my apologies should I have

offended you with my earlier mail ... in a way I was

extending to you what I always inflict on myself

"critical outlook" which I do realise sometimes is

counter productive !!

 

I would just like to share some thoughts though ...

Every event has a timestamp as you say by the moment

it was concieved ... astrology is in my view is

gauging the possible outcome based on the relative

influences that extent towards that event the moment

when it was concieved ! ... the origin might be divine

or just statistical ... the intent of astrology from a

earths point of view was probably to help us look into

our own lives as we take them forward ....

 

In a way if you look at it ... planets in a zodiac

dont make any sense at all ... becaue the actual

zodiac never have any influence in our lives because

of the distance between earth and the stars that form

the zodiac themselves ... to me, dividing the sky into

zodiacs is just a way of finding the degree of the

planets that "matter" in relation to earth itself ..

since there has to be a starting point for this

framework the 1st degree of aries was used as a

measuring point ... similary trying to extending this

branch that in totally earth centric to different

frame of reference of which we have no comprehension

to begin with will be counter productive ...

I believe focussing on the existing problems in

astrology as a science or art will be a great vlaue

addition and help the cause and reason for astrology

itself ..

 

This was the objective behind my prev mail ... however

I stand corrected because all we do need not always be

from the box we sit in .. it's fun to get out of the

box and wonder with whatever limited resources we have

.... that's what Enstein probably did as well with his

theory of relativity!!

 

I look forward to your theory as to why earth would be

malefic to a person born on other planets !! and if

not make telling contributions, I will surely try to

share my observations as well !! However I will try to

make them constructive .. once again I am sorry should

I have offended you !!

 

Regarding finding a universal principle of astrology,

I believe that's waht stephan hawkings is doing when

he is trying to invent a theory for everything !!! ..

however it's not difficult to understand the bottom

line ... there was a big bang, that emanated from

nothing ... the sum total of all reactions and actions

in universe eventually should be to reach nothingness

again !!

 

This reminds me of a intersting thing, when I was

learning the theory of probability, I was impressed

with the facility with which I worked my problems!!

.... just then my teacher asked me .. what is the

probablity that the roof will fall down now !! ...

Quickly I counted the number of possible events: the

roof can fall or it cannot fall ... and conclued it

should be 1/2 !! ... my teacher smiled and said that

if the probability was so high then she wouldnt be

sitting under the roof to begin with !!! .. she said

it';s impossible to find the probability of the roof

falling .. simply because all the factors that can

contribute to the roof's falling can never be

determined ...

 

I believe the same goes with any universal theory !!

 

Have a nice day ... now let's see why earth is malefic

 

Surya.

 

 

--- OM <explore_vulcan wrote:

> Dear N Karthik,

>

> Excellent explanation. I would then ask you to do

> something that I

> always tried to implement and explain but was

> unsuccesful:

> The Universal Rule of Astrology

> Is it possible to lay such an emperical formula or

> theory,

> independent of time and space?

> Please do respond Sir!

>

> Thanks a ton!!

>

> Souvik

>

> , n karthik

> <nkarthik99>

> wrote:

> > My thoughts are:

> >

> > 1. Astrology is a very wide subject and the

> > horoscope branch of Astrology is a filtered

> essence of

> > that subject as it applies to humans on earth. It

> > covers a lot more, but the irrelevant parts have

> been

> > excluded out... Much like Medicine is a very wide

> > subject, MBBS is only for humans, Veterinary for

> > animals and an Auto mechanic for autos .. one

> cannot

> > blindly apply one branch for another .. you cannot

> put

> > glycodin or Vicks for a car engine coughing

> >

> > Similarly you cannot just apply horoscopes to dogs

> and

> > cars even though they all have a lifespan, a

> creation

> > time and a useful lifetime. You have to

> re-include

> > the excluded topics and see if a cat and car

> horoscope

> > is possible.

> >

> > > Well, if Ganeshji can have a

> > > horoscope then why not

> > > the planets? Then, Saturn will have all the

> planets

> > > (perhaps) except

> > > Saturn itself in HIS the horoscope!

> >

> > This is mixing up too many concepts together and

> > invalid argument..

> >

> > Shri Ram as a human Avatar of Lord Vishnu will

> have a

> > horoscope that will address his human aspect only

> ..

> > the Inherent Godliness by virtue of being an

> avatar

> > cannot be governed by the horoscope .. Various

> avatar

> > forms of The supreme will have a horoscope, but

> the

> > Almighty himself does not have a horoscope atleast

> not

> > with the rules meant for humans on earth.

> >

> > Your's and my horoscope has the planets, but you

> and

> > me in our horoscopes because we are peers. You may

> > affect my life in some way, even profoundly or

> > soundly, but that is dictated by our horoscopes,

> not

> > by your presence in my horoscope.

> >

> > Saturn and other planets themselves cannot have

> any of

> > the other planets in our solar system in their

> > horoscopes. The other planets are equals or peers

> they

> > can have the Sun, as the Sun is not a peer .. and

> > other stars and constellations in their horoscopes

> ...

> > The Solar system or Sun's horoscopes will not have

> Sun

> > as a component and not even other stars as they

> are

> > peers, but Constellations and Gallaxies ... their

> > timeframes run in billions of years, whereas human

> > horoscopes run in years, hours and minutes. Trying

> to

> > apply the human horoscopes to the sun and stars is

> > like treating an elephant's headache with an

> asprin.

> > It is a different plane altogether where one's

> rules

> > and significances is a non issue for the other.

> >

> > Now talk of a Martian life, not just any life, but

> a

> > "martian being" in Mars .. Our Human being

> Horoscope

> > is unlikely to apply as it is for humans on earth,

> not

> > martians on mars. But some other form of

> horoscope

> > certainly could apply. Will it have Chandra or

> the

> > Moon in their horoscopes? Yes, but not our moon,

> but

> > a Martian moon. The effect of our moon will be

> too

> > little the earth and moon will be together

> regarded as

> > one entity, together they will effect as one

> entity.

> > Life on Saturn will have the effect of its rings

> and

> > its many bigger moons will play a significant part

> as

> > they are a dominant force there not our moon. It

> is

> > like Einstien's Theory of relativity, it applies

> only

> > at speeds close to light, it is tooo insignificant

> to

> > affect things travelling at the speed of a

> bicycle.

> > Note we are only talking of the horoscope of life

> in

> > Mars and Jupiter, not Mars and Jupiter itself.

> >

> > So why does not the manmade satelites affect our

> > horoscopes? How come we are not starting to have

> > Sputnik and Space stations in our 12 houses? They

> are

> > insignificant peices of rocks thats why, thier

> effect

> > is too insignificant. In maybe 5000 years, our

> > technology may advance so much to develop gigantic

> > nuclear powered tracter beams that can yank a moon

> > away from Mars or Jupiter and glide it to our own

> > orbit near the moon to give us one more moon. Yes

> if

> > such a celestial spectacle was to take place,

> > undoubtedly it will have a drastic effect on life

> on

> > earth, it will effect subsequent life without a

> doubt.

> > It is natural to conclude that a second moon will

> have

> > to figure in the horoscopes of people born after.

>

> > The original notes used to arrive at the horoscope

> > system has to be revisited to address the new

> > situation.

> >

> > The moon is receding about an inch and a half

> every

> > year. In some million years, it will be out

> further

> > that it will then take about 2 to 3 months for

> each

> > revolution around the earth, not the one that it

> takes

> > now. The current horoscope system is refined and

> > filtered to deal with human life on earth for

> current

> > times, and may hold true for another 100 thousand

> > years. It has to be re-invented or fine tuned

> again

> > when positions change drastically or

> significantly.

> >

> > If Niel Armstrong had decided not to return to

> earth

> > and lived on the moon with his family, would his

> > horoscope change? No, he was a human born on

> earth. it

> > still applies to him no matter where he moved.

> Had he

> > got a child when on the moon, would his baby have

> a

> > different horoscope? Surely .. being a human

> descent

> > the horoscope principles would still apply but

> > planetary adjustments with interchanging the earth

> and

> > moon would have to be done, a chapter that is not

> > covered currently .. it has to be rediscovered,

> > restudied and applied.

> >

> > My insignificant $0.02 worth.

> >

> > N Karthik.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- OM <explore_vulcan> wrote:

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hey Surya,

 

You sure are an astrologer!! Yes I am childlike!!

I am a learner and would love to be so! I bear a dream in my mind-to

learn about reversible human regerneration from my grandchildren

 

No friend, I am too small a person to get offended but yes when I

know that I am sure about my views with my little knowledge, I voice

it...Rather I am sorry if u felt that I got offended with your

comments...no I didnot...if there is substantial reason that one

gives to prove that I am a fool, I would be convinced and would

agree to that..this is how I am, just can't help it!!

 

I really appreciate your mail and thoughts Friend, these kind of

mails keep my grey cells working

 

Keep mailing!!

 

Souvik

 

, surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> Dear Souvik,

>

> A great man once said to me, "be childlike without

> being childish" ... I believe the wonder in you that

> prompted you to ask the questions that you did was

> childlike and maybe the mail that I had sent was

> childish ...

> To that extent I tender my apologies should I have

> offended you with my earlier mail ... in a way I was

> extending to you what I always inflict on myself

> "critical outlook" which I do realise sometimes is

> counter productive !!

>

> I would just like to share some thoughts though ...

> Every event has a timestamp as you say by the moment

> it was concieved ... astrology is in my view is

> gauging the possible outcome based on the relative

> influences that extent towards that event the moment

> when it was concieved ! ... the origin might be divine

> or just statistical ... the intent of astrology from a

> earths point of view was probably to help us look into

> our own lives as we take them forward ....

>

> In a way if you look at it ... planets in a zodiac

> dont make any sense at all ... becaue the actual

> zodiac never have any influence in our lives because

> of the distance between earth and the stars that form

> the zodiac themselves ... to me, dividing the sky into

> zodiacs is just a way of finding the degree of the

> planets that "matter" in relation to earth itself ..

> since there has to be a starting point for this

> framework the 1st degree of aries was used as a

> measuring point ... similary trying to extending this

> branch that in totally earth centric to different

> frame of reference of which we have no comprehension

> to begin with will be counter productive ...

> I believe focussing on the existing problems in

> astrology as a science or art will be a great vlaue

> addition and help the cause and reason for astrology

> itself ..

>

> This was the objective behind my prev mail ... however

> I stand corrected because all we do need not always be

> from the box we sit in .. it's fun to get out of the

> box and wonder with whatever limited resources we have

> ... that's what Enstein probably did as well with his

> theory of relativity!!

>

> I look forward to your theory as to why earth would be

> malefic to a person born on other planets !! and if

> not make telling contributions, I will surely try to

> share my observations as well !! However I will try to

> make them constructive .. once again I am sorry should

> I have offended you !!

>

> Regarding finding a universal principle of astrology,

> I believe that's waht stephan hawkings is doing when

> he is trying to invent a theory for everything !!! ..

> however it's not difficult to understand the bottom

> line ... there was a big bang, that emanated from

> nothing ... the sum total of all reactions and actions

> in universe eventually should be to reach nothingness

> again !!

>

> This reminds me of a intersting thing, when I was

> learning the theory of probability, I was impressed

> with the facility with which I worked my problems!!

> ... just then my teacher asked me .. what is the

> probablity that the roof will fall down now !! ...

> Quickly I counted the number of possible events: the

> roof can fall or it cannot fall ... and conclued it

> should be 1/2 !! ... my teacher smiled and said that

> if the probability was so high then she wouldnt be

> sitting under the roof to begin with !!! .. she said

> it';s impossible to find the probability of the roof

> falling .. simply because all the factors that can

> contribute to the roof's falling can never be

> determined ...

>

> I believe the same goes with any universal theory !!

>

>

> Have a nice day ... now let's see why earth is malefic

>

>

> Surya.

>

>

> --- OM <explore_vulcan> wrote:

> > Dear N Karthik,

> >

> > Excellent explanation. I would then ask you to do

> > something that I

> > always tried to implement and explain but was

> > unsuccesful:

> > The Universal Rule of Astrology

> > Is it possible to lay such an emperical formula or

> > theory,

> > independent of time and space?

> > Please do respond Sir!

> >

> > Thanks a ton!!

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> > , n karthik

> > <nkarthik99>

> > wrote:

> > > My thoughts are:

> > >

> > > 1. Astrology is a very wide subject and the

> > > horoscope branch of Astrology is a filtered

> > essence of

> > > that subject as it applies to humans on earth. It

> > > covers a lot more, but the irrelevant parts have

> > been

> > > excluded out... Much like Medicine is a very wide

> > > subject, MBBS is only for humans, Veterinary for

> > > animals and an Auto mechanic for autos .. one

> > cannot

> > > blindly apply one branch for another .. you cannot

> > put

> > > glycodin or Vicks for a car engine coughing

> > >

> > > Similarly you cannot just apply horoscopes to dogs

> > and

> > > cars even though they all have a lifespan, a

> > creation

> > > time and a useful lifetime. You have to

> > re-include

> > > the excluded topics and see if a cat and car

> > horoscope

> > > is possible.

> > >

> > > > Well, if Ganeshji can have a

> > > > horoscope then why not

> > > > the planets? Then, Saturn will have all the

> > planets

> > > > (perhaps) except

> > > > Saturn itself in HIS the horoscope!

> > >

> > > This is mixing up too many concepts together and

> > > invalid argument..

> > >

> > > Shri Ram as a human Avatar of Lord Vishnu will

> > have a

> > > horoscope that will address his human aspect only

> > ..

> > > the Inherent Godliness by virtue of being an

> > avatar

> > > cannot be governed by the horoscope .. Various

> > avatar

> > > forms of The supreme will have a horoscope, but

> > the

> > > Almighty himself does not have a horoscope atleast

> > not

> > > with the rules meant for humans on earth.

> > >

> > > Your's and my horoscope has the planets, but you

> > and

> > > me in our horoscopes because we are peers. You may

> > > affect my life in some way, even profoundly or

> > > soundly, but that is dictated by our horoscopes,

> > not

> > > by your presence in my horoscope.

> > >

> > > Saturn and other planets themselves cannot have

> > any of

> > > the other planets in our solar system in their

> > > horoscopes. The other planets are equals or peers

> > they

> > > can have the Sun, as the Sun is not a peer .. and

> > > other stars and constellations in their horoscopes

> > ...

> > > The Solar system or Sun's horoscopes will not have

> > Sun

> > > as a component and not even other stars as they

> > are

> > > peers, but Constellations and Gallaxies ... their

> > > timeframes run in billions of years, whereas human

> > > horoscopes run in years, hours and minutes. Trying

> > to

> > > apply the human horoscopes to the sun and stars is

> > > like treating an elephant's headache with an

> > asprin.

> > > It is a different plane altogether where one's

> > rules

> > > and significances is a non issue for the other.

> > >

> > > Now talk of a Martian life, not just any life, but

> > a

> > > "martian being" in Mars .. Our Human being

> > Horoscope

> > > is unlikely to apply as it is for humans on earth,

> > not

> > > martians on mars. But some other form of

> > horoscope

> > > certainly could apply. Will it have Chandra or

> > the

> > > Moon in their horoscopes? Yes, but not our moon,

> > but

> > > a Martian moon. The effect of our moon will be

> > too

> > > little the earth and moon will be together

> > regarded as

> > > one entity, together they will effect as one

> > entity.

> > > Life on Saturn will have the effect of its rings

> > and

> > > its many bigger moons will play a significant part

> > as

> > > they are a dominant force there not our moon. It

> > is

> > > like Einstien's Theory of relativity, it applies

> > only

> > > at speeds close to light, it is tooo insignificant

> > to

> > > affect things travelling at the speed of a

> > bicycle.

> > > Note we are only talking of the horoscope of life

> > in

> > > Mars and Jupiter, not Mars and Jupiter itself.

> > >

> > > So why does not the manmade satelites affect our

> > > horoscopes? How come we are not starting to have

> > > Sputnik and Space stations in our 12 houses? They

> > are

> > > insignificant peices of rocks thats why, thier

> > effect

> > > is too insignificant. In maybe 5000 years, our

> > > technology may advance so much to develop gigantic

> > > nuclear powered tracter beams that can yank a moon

> > > away from Mars or Jupiter and glide it to our own

> > > orbit near the moon to give us one more moon. Yes

> > if

> > > such a celestial spectacle was to take place,

> > > undoubtedly it will have a drastic effect on life

> > on

> > > earth, it will effect subsequent life without a

> > doubt.

> > > It is natural to conclude that a second moon will

> > have

> > > to figure in the horoscopes of people born after.

> >

> > > The original notes used to arrive at the horoscope

> > > system has to be revisited to address the new

> > > situation.

> > >

> > > The moon is receding about an inch and a half

> > every

> > > year. In some million years, it will be out

> > further

> > > that it will then take about 2 to 3 months for

> > each

> > > revolution around the earth, not the one that it

> > takes

> > > now. The current horoscope system is refined and

> > > filtered to deal with human life on earth for

> > current

> > > times, and may hold true for another 100 thousand

> > > years. It has to be re-invented or fine tuned

> > again

> > > when positions change drastically or

> > significantly.

> > >

> > > If Niel Armstrong had decided not to return to

> > earth

> > > and lived on the moon with his family, would his

> > > horoscope change? No, he was a human born on

> > earth. it

> > > still applies to him no matter where he moved.

> > Had he

> > > got a child when on the moon, would his baby have

> > a

> > > different horoscope? Surely .. being a human

> > descent

> > > the horoscope principles would still apply but

> > > planetary adjustments with interchanging the earth

> > and

> > > moon would have to be done, a chapter that is not

> > > covered currently .. it has to be rediscovered,

> > > restudied and applied.

> > >

> > > My insignificant $0.02 worth.

> > >

> > > N Karthik.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- OM <explore_vulcan> wrote:

> >

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Dear Karthikji,

 

Please call me Souvik only.

 

Sir, I agree with you, that this may be taken by some esteemed

members as talks of lunacy. But just one more lunatic question:

Are the so called "normals" thought of as MAD by the so

called "lunatics".

 

Just as u aptly said, relativity is the essence of explain

everything.

 

Well, scientists thru out ages were trying and still r trying to

find this "Universal Law"....if astrology (the hidden rules) can

explain it...then why not???

 

I am a learner (and my superiors at my workplace say that I am a

fast in it ) and nothing less and nothing more. I want to learn,

explore, find and understand....and only when I am very convinced

that I document or share...so if u r kind enough to accept me in ur

research (i.e. if u underatke it) u can be sure of one thing:

if we ever come out with something, it will be original and

foolproof....that is my guarantee

 

Regards

 

Souvik

, n karthik <nkarthik99>

wrote:

> Dear Shri Souvik.

>

> Firstly I am flattered that you see something in my

> answer. Secondly you asked me to reply so here I do.

> But what you are asking is really beyond me. I am at

> the pre KG level when it comes to Horoscopes compared

> to so many others here. I dont even understand most of

> the terms.

>

> Secondly just where we are with this knowledge has

> taken a real MAHA MAHARISHI to have started this, then

> over atleast a 1000 years of research and refinement

> by revered gurus, we have the current systems and its

> variations (Western, Indian and Chinese)

>

> > The Universal Rule of Astrology

>

> could take years and years of PhD material. Plus

> someone else mentioned here. We now have only the

> results, where are the work papers or basis of the

> research? What happened to it? In other words, how

> did it start, what are the things they left out? what

> are the things that they went a distance and found

> does not explain many things and therefore drop it?

> where and what are the theories that they discarded ?

> Those discarded items may actually hold some key to

> the questions you are asking.

>

> Our horoscopes cover only a span of 160 years so that

> it covers some aspect of the Balance Dasa and even a

> max lifetime of 120 years which is ok for an average

> individual. I can only guess that if we were to take

> the horoscopes of the planets, sun, solar system or

> stars .. it must cover a span of billions of years. In

> horoscopes of humans, we talk of a planet moving to

> another house some time between months to some years.

> which all of us will be there to observe and make

> sense. The horoscope of a planet on the other hand

> will have to cover some billions of years, and each

> constellation moving around to the next house in the

> chart will be atleast a 1000 million years. the

> problem is mans lifetime is so small compared to this

> it does not matter at all when a change does occur for

> the planet. after a 1000 million years? no one can

> observe it. Thus they must have just abandoned it at

> that level. there are particles like mu-mesons that

> are created by the sun and emitted periodically .. the

> half life of these particles is in the range of only a

> few micro seconds ..

>

> I think what you are asking is to see if there is one

> overall law that covers the stars themselves, to

> humans, cats, cars, tennis balls, comets and

> mu-mesons?

>

> Something like a webpage that gives you an overall

> picture and as you keep clicking on an item it gets

> deeper and deeper with subsequent clicks to get the

> horoscope of any item we can think of.

>

> IF we get enough people interested, it could take

> years to come up with something convincing. You are

> almost asking "Give me just one overall principle that

> explains the laws of Physics, Chemistry, Biology,

> Medicine, economics, genetics and maths all together".

> I think it is a very ambitious request. The laws we

> know today apply today, I do not know if in a billion

> years, life will exist as we know of it today and if

> the laws of physics as we know it now will be any

> longer valid. So to get a law that is stagnant in

> time and space will be challenging.

>

> I am not even sure if all the other members of this

> group, whom I respect tremendously, will even accept

> if this is a relevant topic in this group.

>

> My apologies if I am distracting anyone.

>

> Karthik.

>

>

>

>

> --- OM <explore_vulcan> wrote:

> > Dear N Karthik,

> >

> > Excellent explanation. I would then ask you to do

> > something that I

> > always tried to implement and explain but was

> > unsuccesful:

> > The Universal Rule of Astrology

> > Is it possible to lay such an emperical formula or

> > theory,

> > independent of time and space?

> > Please do respond Sir!

> >

> > Thanks a ton!!

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> > , n karthik

> > <nkarthik99>

> > wrote:

> > > My thoughts are:

> > >

> > > 1. Astrology is a very wide subject and the

> > > horoscope branch of Astrology is a filtered

> > essence of

> > > that subject as it applies to humans on earth. It

> > > covers a lot more, but the irrelevant parts have

> > been

> > > excluded out... Much like Medicine is a very wide

> > > subject, MBBS is only for humans, Veterinary for

> > > animals and an Auto mechanic for autos .. one

> > cannot

> > > blindly apply one branch for another .. you cannot

> > put

> > > glycodin or Vicks for a car engine coughing

> > >

> > > Similarly you cannot just apply horoscopes to dogs

> > and

> > > cars even though they all have a lifespan, a

> > creation

> > > time and a useful lifetime. You have to

> > re-include

> > > the excluded topics and see if a cat and car

> > horoscope

> > > is possible.

> > >

> > > > Well, if Ganeshji can have a

> > > > horoscope then why not

> > > > the planets? Then, Saturn will have all the

> > planets

> > > > (perhaps) except

> > > > Saturn itself in HIS the horoscope!

> > >

> > > This is mixing up too many concepts together and

> > > invalid argument..

> > >

> > > Shri Ram as a human Avatar of Lord Vishnu will

> > have a

> > > horoscope that will address his human aspect only

> > ..

> > > the Inherent Godliness by virtue of being an

> > avatar

> > > cannot be governed by the horoscope .. Various

> > avatar

> > > forms of The supreme will have a horoscope, but

> > the

> > > Almighty himself does not have a horoscope atleast

> > not

> > > with the rules meant for humans on earth.

> > >

> > > Your's and my horoscope has the planets, but you

> > and

> > > me in our horoscopes because we are peers. You may

> > > affect my life in some way, even profoundly or

> > > soundly, but that is dictated by our horoscopes,

> > not

> > > by your presence in my horoscope.

> > >

> > > Saturn and other planets themselves cannot have

> > any of

> > > the other planets in our solar system in their

> > > horoscopes. The other planets are equals or peers

> > they

> > > can have the Sun, as the Sun is not a peer .. and

> > > other stars and constellations in their horoscopes

> > ...

> > > The Solar system or Sun's horoscopes will not have

> > Sun

> > > as a component and not even other stars as they

> > are

> > > peers, but Constellations and Gallaxies ... their

> > > timeframes run in billions of years, whereas human

> > > horoscopes run in years, hours and minutes. Trying

> > to

> > > apply the human horoscopes to the sun and stars is

> > > like treating an elephant's headache with an

> > asprin.

> > > It is a different plane altogether where one's

> > rules

> > > and significances is a non issue for the other.

> > >

> > > Now talk of a Martian life, not just any life, but

> > a

> > > "martian being" in Mars .. Our Human being

> > Horoscope

> > > is unlikely to apply as it is for humans on earth,

> > not

> > > martians on mars. But some other form of

> > horoscope

> > > certainly could apply. Will it have Chandra or

> > the

> > > Moon in their horoscopes? Yes, but not our moon,

> > but

> > > a Martian moon. The effect of our moon will be

> > too

> > > little the earth and moon will be together

> > regarded as

> > > one entity, together they will effect as one

> > entity.

> > > Life on Saturn will have the effect of its rings

> > and

> > > its many bigger moons will play a significant part

> > as

> > > they are a dominant force there not our moon. It

> > is

> > > like Einstien's Theory of relativity, it applies

> > only

> > > at speeds close to light, it is tooo insignificant

> > to

> > > affect things travelling at the speed of a

> > bicycle.

> > > Note we are only talking of the horoscope of life

> > in

> > > Mars and Jupiter, not Mars and Jupiter itself.

> > >

> > > So why does not the manmade satelites affect our

> > > horoscopes? How come we are not starting to have

> > > Sputnik and Space stations in our 12 houses? They

> > are

> > > insignificant peices of rocks thats why, thier

> > effect

> > > is too insignificant. In maybe 5000 years, our

> > > technology may advance so much to develop gigantic

> > > nuclear powered tracter beams that can yank a moon

> > > away from Mars or Jupiter and glide it to our own

> > > orbit near the moon to give us one more moon. Yes

> > if

> > > such a celestial spectacle was to take place,

> > > undoubtedly it will have a drastic effect on life

> > on

> > > earth, it will effect subsequent life without a

> > doubt.

> > > It is natural to conclude that a second moon will

> > have

> > > to figure in the horoscopes of people born after.

> >

> > > The original notes used to arrive at the horoscope

> > > system has to be revisited to address the new

> > > situation.

> > >

> > > The moon is receding about an inch and a half

> > every

> > > year. In some million years, it will be out

> > further

> > > that it will then take about 2 to 3 months for

> > each

> > > revolution around the earth, not the one that it

> > takes

> > > now. The current horoscope system is refined and

> > > filtered to deal with human life on earth for

> > current

> > > times, and may hold true for another 100 thousand

> > > years. It has to be re-invented or fine tuned

> > again

> > > when positions change drastically or

> > significantly.

> > >

> > > If Niel Armstrong had decided not to return to

> > earth

> > > and lived on the moon with his family, would his

> > > horoscope change? No, he was a human born on

> > earth. it

> > > still applies to him no matter where he moved.

> > Had he

> > > got a child when on the moon, would his baby have

> > a

> > > different horoscope? Surely .. being a human

> > descent

> > > the horoscope principles would still apply but

> > > planetary adjustments with interchanging the earth

> > and

> > > moon would have to be done, a chapter that is not

> > > covered currently .. it has to be rediscovered,

> > > restudied and applied.

> > >

> > > My insignificant $0.02 worth.

> > >

> > > N Karthik.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- OM <explore_vulcan> wrote:

> > > > Hi members,

> > > >

> > > > I had posted some questions some time ago...

> > > >

> > > > In brief, they were like this:

> > > >

> > > > 1. When were the planets created. Does each of

> > the

> > > > planets too

> > > > have a horoscope. Well, if Ganeshji can have a

> > > > horoscope then why not

> > > > the planets? Then, Saturn will have all the

> > planets

> > > > (perhaps) except

> > > > Saturn itself in HIS the horoscope! What was the

> > > > timing or Order of

> > > > creation of the planets? I mean Sun first,

> > > > then...Since the planets

> > > > were not eternal, they got created some point of

> > > > TIME (both wrt the

> > > > BIG BANG theory or the Vedic Theory) and thus

> > they

> > > > must come to an

> > > > end (Destruction). So what is considered in

> > their

> > > > horoscope?

> > > >

> > > > 2. If a child (human or otherwise) is born on

> > Mars,

> > > > will Earth be a

> > > > benefic or malefic towards him. Is Earth a

> > natural

> > > > benefic or

> > > > malefic to other planets?

> > > >

> > > > 3. In Time, there was a time when these zodiacs,

> > > > nakshatras,

> > > > planets nothing existed. Then there was a time

> > that

> > > > they did exist.

> > > > So what is the "Horoscope" of Taurus Zodiac or

> > > > Ashwini Nakshatra? I

> > > > am sure that they are not eternal. So can their

> > time

> > > > of destruction be

> > > > predicted? What will be the factors that

> > determine

> > > > that?

> > > >

> > > > 4. Can astrology by merely seeing a

> > chart(horoscope)

> > > > say that it is

> > > > the chart of a Nation or an indivual or a cat or

> > of

> > > > the Time a

> > > > person has had lunch with his Boss?

> > > >

> > > > Although there were comments about not to invent

> > > > theories but to

> > > > discover them and so on, I found these questions

> > > > very valid.

> > > >

> > > > So I thought, discussed, thought again and only

> > > > yesterday I was

> > > > convinced that I knew the answers.

> > > >

> > > > Well, in brief, these are the answers according

> > to

> > > > my individual view:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Yes, planets too are in the cycle of time.

> > > > However, for us

> > > > earthlings, there movement forms a notion of

> > time

> > > > and for them, Earth

> > > > and all other heavenly bodies would form a

> > similar

> > > > notion. No, Saturn

> > > > would obviously not have Saturn in "HIS"

> > horoscope

> > > > but just like

> > > > Earth it would have a North and a South node to

> > > > identify its axis.

> > > > For Earth this Axis is represented by Rahu and

> > Ketu.

> > > > Their (Saturn,

> > > > Jupiter,etc.) end and beginning would be a

> > function

> > > > of the astral

> > > > forces (including Earth) governing them. It is

> > all a

> > > > theory of mitual

> > > > relationship.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Earth would be a natural malefic to any other

> > > > planet and its

> > > > inhabitant. I would be bringing up a document

> > very

> > > > soon to this group

> > > > to prove my point. Earth would act as a malefic

> > to

> > > > Martians,

> > > > Venusians etc.

> > > >

> > > > 3. All celestial beings effect each other so on

> > a

> > > > very broad level I

> > > > can say that:

> > > > Just as the Centrifugal force is holding all

> > planets

> > > > in the Solar

> > > > system steady and preventing them to collide

> > with

> > > > each other, So are

> > > > each and every celestial beings/bodies in the

> > > > universe in perfect

> > > > balance and harmony. Any one's destiny is

> > determined

> > > > by its

> > > > relationship with the others. So probably in the

> > > > Birth Chart

> > > > (Horocsope) of Ashwini Nakshatra there would be

> > 26

> > > > or even more

> > > > predominant entities to determine its destiny.

> > > >

> > > > 4. Astrology is a child of Time. A one point of

> > time

> > > > n-no. of

> > > > occurances may take place, so a particular time

> > > > stamp may stand for

> > > > the chart of a Nation or an indivual or a cat or

> > of

> > > > the Time a

> > > > person has had lunch with his Boss, that doesnot

> > > > make the difference.

> > > > However, given the knowledge of the subject

> > > > underconsideration, can

> > > > only further analysis be carried out. A similar

> > > > example would be a

> > > > theory like bouyancy. It could be applicable in

> > an

> > > > areoplane or a

> > > > boat, the subject would determine its further

> > > > analysis.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Souvik

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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