Fate of a person can be changed....Rohiniji

May 10, 2004

True Rohiniranjan ji. That's why we say ....good karmas etc. But I

believe, why to think of the next birth and do good karmas. Good

karmas should be done with no expectations. We dont know about our

other births but at least we should make our THIS birth beautiful by

doing good karmas (not for anything else but inner satisfaction).

Manoshi

, "jayanshul"

<jayanshul> wrote:

> -Dear Rohiniji,

> Well said all births are interconnected by soul.However god takes

> the memory of past lives away so we focus on our present.

> There are good books on past and present lives connection by dr

> Brian Weiss

> regards

> nina

>

> -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Manoshi ji,

> >

> > What is impossible is impossible is true and often experienced

by

> > most individuals because they use a limited time frame. Usually

> the

> > time frame is this lifetime. Cynics would say, "what other time

> > frame is there a incontrovertible proof for?" BUT unless one has

> > faith in there being a string of lives, and thus a time frame

for

> > karma and all that kind of stuff that extends beyond one

lifetime,

> > it becomes a child's reality. Some children are afraid that if

> they

> > fall asleep they will never wake up. Over time, through many

> > awakenings day after day, they begin to wean away from that

fear.

> If

> > only we could recall our other lifetimes, our fear of the

> permanence

> > of the impossible and the craving for "if it is not achieved in

> this

> > lifetime, it never will be" would wane away, just as all

delusions

> > and illusions of maya must!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , "khallopapa"

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > My views:

> > >

> > > I hope I make sense atleast some people are able to relate to

it.

> > >

> > > What's impossible is impossible... even if we try, it cannot

> > happen.

> > > How much you feel for a particular thing to happen, if it's

not

> > > possible,how can you make it happen? In certain cases, to try

to

> > > make impossible happen may lead to destruction in some ways.

Why

> > do

> > > we have to get everything we want? Let a few things be the way

> > they

> > > are. We have to accept what life offers us. Thank God for what

> you

> > > got . Is it not enough that at least you got something? Why

has

> > > every paper to be stamped? Learn to give up. "..by dying you

> shall

> > > live" is a beautiful statement( by Sanjay Aggarwal). Do your

> > duties

> > > and HAVE FAITH. Dont make much noise. Be silent and do your

> karma.

> > >

> > > I remember a few lines from a ghazal,

> > >

> > > 'jo jee chahe, woh mil jaaye, kab aisa hota hai

> > > har jeevan jeene ka samjhauta hota hai'

> > >

> > > and then as our JR quote is

> > >

> > > "what cannot happen can never happen

> > > which is mine is forever mine"

> > >

> > > Manoshi

> > >

> > > , surya vishnubhotla

> > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > Hello Rohini,

> > > >

> > > > I remember reading a few of your articles on a web

> > > > site regarding Retrograde effect of planets .. I

> > > > remember being impressed by them then ! (forgive me if

> > > > I am jumbling u with someone else)

> > > >

> > > > Good comments those ..

> > > >

> > > > I was curious to know if you have a step wise

> > > > procedure or rather a checklist of what you look at

> > > > when you go about analyzing a horoscope?

> > > >

> > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > This posting is giving me a lot of trouble! Trying

> > > > > it a third time!

> > > > >

> > > > > Speaking of "higher powers" I have a few recent

> > > > > anecdotes to share

> > > > > in that vein:

> > > > >

> > > > > Several years ago when I started using jyotish

> > > > > software, I was quite

> > > > > amazed (unpleasantly) at the gross errors in

> > > > > shadbala etc that the

> > > > > software had.On switching to a software that came

> > > > > with a famous

> > > > > jyotishi's endorsement, I was shocked to see similar

> > > > > errors though

> > > > > in a different areas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then a fourth software showed another interesting

> > > > > problem. The atlas

> > > > > readings in some cases were grossly wrong and could

> > > > > lead to wrong

> > > > > charts. Also it had a feature for transferring

> > > > > individual charts

> > > > > into a group file. During the transfer, the software

> > > > > would change

> > > > > the ist from 5:30 to 5:00. I discovered that the

> > > > > hard way! Luckily I

> > > > > was not charging money for those readings!

> > > > >

> > > > > Versions change and what was working before suddenly

> > > > > gets an error,

> > > > > hence am queasey about upgrades too.

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > > "asharm_ind"

> > > > > <asharm_ind> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Shripal ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here's a story which may help you in finding the

> > > > > answer of your

> > > > > > question...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One day Guru Ramdas was sitting with a pandit

> > > > > (jyotishi). Suddenly

> > > > > a

> > > > > > young man came riding on a horse and took

> > > > > blessings of Guru Ramdas.

> > > > > > He was going for a battle. The Guru gave his

> > > > > blessings.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After the young man left, the Guru asked the

> > > > > Jyotishi to cast his

> > > > > > chart and predict his future. Being a great

> > > > > Jyotishi he was, the

> > > > > > astrologer prepared the young man's chart and

> > > > > predicted that he is

> > > > > > going to die today.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru smiled and immersed in deep meditation of

> > > > > Lord Rama. In the

> > > > > > evening the young man came back, deeply wounded

> > > > > but very much

> > > > > alive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru asked the astrologer to recast his chart. The

> > > > > astrologer was

> > > > > > shaken to his core when he saw that now the chart

> > > > > is telling a

> > > > > > different story. He prostrated before the Guru and

> > > > > said that you

> > > > > > are "Samarth" in changing the fate. Henceforth you

> > > > > will be called

> > > > > > Samarth Guru Ramdas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The young man was none other than Shivaji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This story tells us that there are higher powers

> > > > > in play which can

> > > > > > change the fate......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Savitri was able to reverse fate to bring her

> > > > > husband back from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > clutches of Yama himself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope this helps...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > > Arun

> > > > > > , Shripal

> > > > > <askvbnet>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we

> > > > > talk

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > spouse is good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > person.

> > > > > > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we

> > > > > able

> > > > > > > to really come close to any person's fate.using

> > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > how actually we can come close to person's fate.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his

> > > > > future and

> > > > > > > can make a business a very success.How this

> > > > > things

> > > > > > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove

> > > > > the ill

> > > > > > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper

> > > > > matching?How?

> > > > > > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope?

> > > > > > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > will astrology help us to resolve such a

> > > > > issues.Up to

> > > > > > > what extent.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden

> > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is

> > > > > enough,however

> > > > > > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > and try to find out how a person got such a

> > > > > > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden

> > > > > rule to

> > > > > > > follow.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or

> > > > > > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most

> > > > > of them

> > > > > > > are intutive while predicting rather than being

> > > > > > > predictive.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What does all this really mean?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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May 11, 2004

Dear Manoshi,

Well said .. the best way is probably just to accept

things as they are and do what we must do with faith

.... God then will have to lead us the way we should go

!!

However, I believe that every kind of person existing

on this earth is necessary for us to experience

different things in different life times to understand

that true meaning of love ...

Noise, chaos, direction, stigma, orthodoxy etc .. none

of them are dispensable .. the idea is to create a

balance between them ...

Just to highlight, even wanting to live a simple life

is a bias and anyone trying to impress otherwise will

be meet resistance from the "simple person" which is

quite akin to orthodoxy ... somehow I believe as u

said ... all these will fall off eventually !!

--- khallopapa <khallopapa wrote:

> True Rohiniranjan ji. That's why we say ....good

> karmas etc. But I

> believe, why to think of the next birth and do good

> karmas. Good

> karmas should be done with no expectations. We dont

> know about our

> other births but at least we should make our THIS

> birth beautiful by

> doing good karmas (not for anything else but inner

> satisfaction).

>

> Manoshi

, "jayanshul"

>

> <jayanshul> wrote:

> > -Dear Rohiniji,

> > Well said all births are interconnected by

> soul.However god takes

> > the memory of past lives away so we focus on our

> present.

> > There are good books on past and present lives

> connection by dr

> > Brian Weiss

> > regards

> > nina

> >

> > -- In ,

> "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Manoshi ji,

> > >

> > > What is impossible is impossible is true and

> often experienced

> by

> > > most individuals because they use a limited time

> frame. Usually

> > the

> > > time frame is this lifetime. Cynics would say,

> "what other time

> > > frame is there a incontrovertible proof for?"

> BUT unless one has

> > > faith in there being a string of lives, and thus

> a time frame

> for

> > > karma and all that kind of stuff that extends

> beyond one

> lifetime,

> > > it becomes a child's reality. Some children are

> afraid that if

> > they

> > > fall asleep they will never wake up. Over time,

> through many

> > > awakenings day after day, they begin to wean

> away from that

> fear.

> > If

> > > only we could recall our other lifetimes, our

> fear of the

> > permanence

> > > of the impossible and the craving for "if it is

> not achieved in

> > this

> > > lifetime, it never will be" would wane away,

> just as all

> delusions

> > > and illusions of maya must!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > ,

> "khallopapa"

> > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > My views:

> > > >

> > > > I hope I make sense atleast some people are

> able to relate to

> it.

> > > >

> > > > What's impossible is impossible... even if we

> try, it cannot

> > > happen.

> > > > How much you feel for a particular thing to

> happen, if it's

> not

> > > > possible,how can you make it happen? In

> certain cases, to try

> to

> > > > make impossible happen may lead to destruction

> in some ways.

> Why

> > > do

> > > > we have to get everything we want? Let a few

> things be the way

> > > they

> > > > are. We have to accept what life offers us.

> Thank God for what

> > you

> > > > got . Is it not enough that at least you got

> something? Why

> has

> > > > every paper to be stamped? Learn to give up.

> "..by dying you

> > shall

> > > > live" is a beautiful statement( by Sanjay

> Aggarwal). Do your

> > > duties

> > > > and HAVE FAITH. Dont make much noise. Be

> silent and do your

> > karma.

> > > >

> > > > I remember a few lines from a ghazal,

> > > >

> > > > 'jo jee chahe, woh mil jaaye, kab aisa hota

> hai

> > > > har jeevan jeene ka samjhauta hota hai'

> > > >

> > > > and then as our JR quote is

> > > >

> > > > "what cannot happen can never happen

> > > > which is mine is forever mine"

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi

> > > >

> > > > , surya

> vishnubhotla

> > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > Hello Rohini,

> > > > >

> > > > > I remember reading a few of your articles on

> a web

> > > > > site regarding Retrograde effect of planets

> .. I

> > > > > remember being impressed by them then !

> (forgive me if

> > > > > I am jumbling u with someone else)

> > > > >

> > > > > Good comments those ..

> > > > >

> > > > > I was curious to know if you have a step

> wise

> > > > > procedure or rather a checklist of what you

> look at

> > > > > when you go about analyzing a horoscope?

> > > > >

> > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > This posting is giving me a lot of

> trouble! Trying

> > > > > > it a third time!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Speaking of "higher powers" I have a few

> recent

> > > > > > anecdotes to share

> > > > > > in that vein:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Several years ago when I started using

> jyotish

> > > > > > software, I was quite

> > > > > > amazed (unpleasantly) at the gross errors

> in

> > > > > > shadbala etc that the

> > > > > > software had.On switching to a software

> that came

> > > > > > with a famous

> > > > > > jyotishi's endorsement, I was shocked to

> see similar

> > > > > > errors though

> > > > > > in a different areas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then a fourth software showed another

> interesting

> > > > > > problem. The atlas

> > > > > > readings in some cases were grossly wrong

> and could

> > > > > > lead to wrong

> > > > > > charts. Also it had a feature for

> transferring

> > > > > > individual charts

> > > > > > into a group file. During the transfer,

> the software

> > > > > > would change

> > > > > > the ist from 5:30 to 5:00. I discovered

> that the

> > > > > > hard way! Luckily I

> > > > > > was not charging money for those readings!

>

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May 11, 2004

Read REINCARNATION by Hans Ten Dam if you can find a copy of that

book!

, "jayanshul"

<jayanshul> wrote:

> -Dear Rohiniji,

> Well said all births are interconnected by soul.However god takes

> the memory of past lives away so we focus on our present.

> There are good books on past and present lives connection by dr

> Brian Weiss

> regards

> nina

>

> -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Manoshi ji,

> >

> > What is impossible is impossible is true and often experienced

by

> > most individuals because they use a limited time frame. Usually

> the

> > time frame is this lifetime. Cynics would say, "what other time

> > frame is there a incontrovertible proof for?" BUT unless one has

> > faith in there being a string of lives, and thus a time frame

for

> > karma and all that kind of stuff that extends beyond one

lifetime,

> > it becomes a child's reality. Some children are afraid that if

> they

> > fall asleep they will never wake up. Over time, through many

> > awakenings day after day, they begin to wean away from that

fear.

> If

> > only we could recall our other lifetimes, our fear of the

> permanence

> > of the impossible and the craving for "if it is not achieved in

> this

> > lifetime, it never will be" would wane away, just as all

delusions

> > and illusions of maya must!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , "khallopapa"

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > My views:

> > >

> > > I hope I make sense atleast some people are able to relate to

it.

> > >

> > > What's impossible is impossible... even if we try, it cannot

> > happen.

> > > How much you feel for a particular thing to happen, if it's

not

> > > possible,how can you make it happen? In certain cases, to try

to

> > > make impossible happen may lead to destruction in some ways.

Why

> > do

> > > we have to get everything we want? Let a few things be the way

> > they

> > > are. We have to accept what life offers us. Thank God for what

> you

> > > got . Is it not enough that at least you got something? Why

has

> > > every paper to be stamped? Learn to give up. "..by dying you

> shall

> > > live" is a beautiful statement( by Sanjay Aggarwal). Do your

> > duties

> > > and HAVE FAITH. Dont make much noise. Be silent and do your

> karma.

> > >

> > > I remember a few lines from a ghazal,

> > >

> > > 'jo jee chahe, woh mil jaaye, kab aisa hota hai

> > > har jeevan jeene ka samjhauta hota hai'

> > >

> > > and then as our JR quote is

> > >

> > > "what cannot happen can never happen

> > > which is mine is forever mine"

> > >

> > > Manoshi

> > >

> > > , surya vishnubhotla

> > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > Hello Rohini,

> > > >

> > > > I remember reading a few of your articles on a web

> > > > site regarding Retrograde effect of planets .. I

> > > > remember being impressed by them then ! (forgive me if

> > > > I am jumbling u with someone else)

> > > >

> > > > Good comments those ..

> > > >

> > > > I was curious to know if you have a step wise

> > > > procedure or rather a checklist of what you look at

> > > > when you go about analyzing a horoscope?

> > > >

> > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > This posting is giving me a lot of trouble! Trying

> > > > > it a third time!

> > > > >

> > > > > Speaking of "higher powers" I have a few recent

> > > > > anecdotes to share

> > > > > in that vein:

> > > > >

> > > > > Several years ago when I started using jyotish

> > > > > software, I was quite

> > > > > amazed (unpleasantly) at the gross errors in

> > > > > shadbala etc that the

> > > > > software had.On switching to a software that came

> > > > > with a famous

> > > > > jyotishi's endorsement, I was shocked to see similar

> > > > > errors though

> > > > > in a different areas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then a fourth software showed another interesting

> > > > > problem. The atlas

> > > > > readings in some cases were grossly wrong and could

> > > > > lead to wrong

> > > > > charts. Also it had a feature for transferring

> > > > > individual charts

> > > > > into a group file. During the transfer, the software

> > > > > would change

> > > > > the ist from 5:30 to 5:00. I discovered that the

> > > > > hard way! Luckily I

> > > > > was not charging money for those readings!

> > > > >

> > > > > Versions change and what was working before suddenly

> > > > > gets an error,

> > > > > hence am queasey about upgrades too.

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > > "asharm_ind"

> > > > > <asharm_ind> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Shripal ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here's a story which may help you in finding the

> > > > > answer of your

> > > > > > question...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One day Guru Ramdas was sitting with a pandit

> > > > > (jyotishi). Suddenly

> > > > > a

> > > > > > young man came riding on a horse and took

> > > > > blessings of Guru Ramdas.

> > > > > > He was going for a battle. The Guru gave his

> > > > > blessings.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After the young man left, the Guru asked the

> > > > > Jyotishi to cast his

> > > > > > chart and predict his future. Being a great

> > > > > Jyotishi he was, the

> > > > > > astrologer prepared the young man's chart and

> > > > > predicted that he is

> > > > > > going to die today.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru smiled and immersed in deep meditation of

> > > > > Lord Rama. In the

> > > > > > evening the young man came back, deeply wounded

> > > > > but very much

> > > > > alive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru asked the astrologer to recast his chart. The

> > > > > astrologer was

> > > > > > shaken to his core when he saw that now the chart

> > > > > is telling a

> > > > > > different story. He prostrated before the Guru and

> > > > > said that you

> > > > > > are "Samarth" in changing the fate. Henceforth you

> > > > > will be called

> > > > > > Samarth Guru Ramdas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The young man was none other than Shivaji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This story tells us that there are higher powers

> > > > > in play which can

> > > > > > change the fate......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Savitri was able to reverse fate to bring her

> > > > > husband back from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > clutches of Yama himself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope this helps...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > > Arun

> > > > > > , Shripal

> > > > > <askvbnet>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we

> > > > > talk

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > spouse is good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > person.

> > > > > > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we

> > > > > able

> > > > > > > to really come close to any person's fate.using

> > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > how actually we can come close to person's fate.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his

> > > > > future and

> > > > > > > can make a business a very success.How this

> > > > > things

> > > > > > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove

> > > > > the ill

> > > > > > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper

> > > > > matching?How?

> > > > > > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope?

> > > > > > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > will astrology help us to resolve such a

> > > > > issues.Up to

> > > > > > > what extent.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden

> > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is

> > > > > enough,however

> > > > > > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > and try to find out how a person got such a

> > > > > > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden

> > > > > rule to

> > > > > > > follow.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or

> > > > > > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most

> > > > > of them

> > > > > > > are intutive while predicting rather than being

> > > > > > > predictive.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What does all this really mean?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > > > > ___

> > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner

> > > > > online.

> > > > > > http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs

> > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover

May 11, 2004

What you say is true and the ideal state. However, the ideal is

often something that just remains an idea or in that mental realm!

Whether I feed a poor person for selfish reasons (picture in the

daily or votes etc) or out of selfless, goalless goodness of my

heart, I generate good karma because that person is fed and warm and

felt loved for a short time.

What I am saying is that sometimes selfish action of charity is

better than inaction!

People who spend a lot of time intellectualizing and not doing good

karma, selfish or not, are simply toying with destiny. Only they

will be able to experience that in the long run, unfortunately they

will not remember the context of what started it all!!

Kaliyuga is about KALI machines, good action, and as long as one

keeps moving, only good can come out of it, in the big picture.

, "khallopapa"

<khallopapa> wrote:

> True Rohiniranjan ji. That's why we say ....good karmas etc. But I

> believe, why to think of the next birth and do good karmas. Good

> karmas should be done with no expectations. We dont know about our

> other births but at least we should make our THIS birth beautiful

by

> doing good karmas (not for anything else but inner satisfaction).

>

> Manoshi

, "jayanshul"

> <jayanshul> wrote:

> > -Dear Rohiniji,

> > Well said all births are interconnected by soul.However god

takes

> > the memory of past lives away so we focus on our present.

> > There are good books on past and present lives connection by dr

> > Brian Weiss

> > regards

> > nina

> >

> > -- In , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Manoshi ji,

> > >

> > > What is impossible is impossible is true and often experienced

> by

> > > most individuals because they use a limited time frame.

Usually

> > the

> > > time frame is this lifetime. Cynics would say, "what other

time

> > > frame is there a incontrovertible proof for?" BUT unless one

has

> > > faith in there being a string of lives, and thus a time frame

> for

> > > karma and all that kind of stuff that extends beyond one

> lifetime,

> > > it becomes a child's reality. Some children are afraid that if

> > they

> > > fall asleep they will never wake up. Over time, through many

> > > awakenings day after day, they begin to wean away from that

> fear.

> > If

> > > only we could recall our other lifetimes, our fear of the

> > permanence

> > > of the impossible and the craving for "if it is not achieved

in

> > this

> > > lifetime, it never will be" would wane away, just as all

> delusions

> > > and illusions of maya must!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , "khallopapa"

> > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > My views:

> > > >

> > > > I hope I make sense atleast some people are able to relate

to

> it.

> > > >

> > > > What's impossible is impossible... even if we try, it cannot

> > > happen.

> > > > How much you feel for a particular thing to happen, if it's

> not

> > > > possible,how can you make it happen? In certain cases, to

try

> to

> > > > make impossible happen may lead to destruction in some ways.

> Why

> > > do

> > > > we have to get everything we want? Let a few things be the

way

> > > they

> > > > are. We have to accept what life offers us. Thank God for

what

> > you

> > > > got . Is it not enough that at least you got something? Why

> has

> > > > every paper to be stamped? Learn to give up. "..by dying you

> > shall

> > > > live" is a beautiful statement( by Sanjay Aggarwal). Do your

> > > duties

> > > > and HAVE FAITH. Dont make much noise. Be silent and do your

> > karma.

> > > >

> > > > I remember a few lines from a ghazal,

> > > >

> > > > 'jo jee chahe, woh mil jaaye, kab aisa hota hai

> > > > har jeevan jeene ka samjhauta hota hai'

> > > >

> > > > and then as our JR quote is

> > > >

> > > > "what cannot happen can never happen

> > > > which is mine is forever mine"

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi

> > > >

> > > > , surya vishnubhotla

> > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > Hello Rohini,

> > > > >

> > > > > I remember reading a few of your articles on a web

> > > > > site regarding Retrograde effect of planets .. I

> > > > > remember being impressed by them then ! (forgive me if

> > > > > I am jumbling u with someone else)

> > > > >

> > > > > Good comments those ..

> > > > >

> > > > > I was curious to know if you have a step wise

> > > > > procedure or rather a checklist of what you look at

> > > > > when you go about analyzing a horoscope?

> > > > >

> > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > This posting is giving me a lot of trouble! Trying

> > > > > > it a third time!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Speaking of "higher powers" I have a few recent

> > > > > > anecdotes to share

> > > > > > in that vein:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Several years ago when I started using jyotish

> > > > > > software, I was quite

> > > > > > amazed (unpleasantly) at the gross errors in

> > > > > > shadbala etc that the

> > > > > > software had.On switching to a software that came

> > > > > > with a famous

> > > > > > jyotishi's endorsement, I was shocked to see similar

> > > > > > errors though

> > > > > > in a different areas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then a fourth software showed another interesting

> > > > > > problem. The atlas

> > > > > > readings in some cases were grossly wrong and could

> > > > > > lead to wrong

> > > > > > charts. Also it had a feature for transferring

> > > > > > individual charts

> > > > > > into a group file. During the transfer, the software

> > > > > > would change

> > > > > > the ist from 5:30 to 5:00. I discovered that the

> > > > > > hard way! Luckily I

> > > > > > was not charging money for those readings!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Versions change and what was working before suddenly

> > > > > > gets an error,

> > > > > > hence am queasey about upgrades too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > > > > > "asharm_ind"

> > > > > > <asharm_ind> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Shripal ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here's a story which may help you in finding the

> > > > > > answer of your

> > > > > > > question...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One day Guru Ramdas was sitting with a pandit

> > > > > > (jyotishi). Suddenly

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > young man came riding on a horse and took

> > > > > > blessings of Guru Ramdas.

> > > > > > > He was going for a battle. The Guru gave his

> > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After the young man left, the Guru asked the

> > > > > > Jyotishi to cast his

> > > > > > > chart and predict his future. Being a great

> > > > > > Jyotishi he was, the

> > > > > > > astrologer prepared the young man's chart and

> > > > > > predicted that he is

> > > > > > > going to die today.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Guru smiled and immersed in deep meditation of

> > > > > > Lord Rama. In the

> > > > > > > evening the young man came back, deeply wounded

> > > > > > but very much

> > > > > > alive.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Guru asked the astrologer to recast his chart. The

> > > > > > astrologer was

> > > > > > > shaken to his core when he saw that now the chart

> > > > > > is telling a

> > > > > > > different story. He prostrated before the Guru and

> > > > > > said that you

> > > > > > > are "Samarth" in changing the fate. Henceforth you

> > > > > > will be called

> > > > > > > Samarth Guru Ramdas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The young man was none other than Shivaji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This story tells us that there are higher powers

> > > > > > in play which can

> > > > > > > change the fate......

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Savitri was able to reverse fate to bring her

> > > > > > husband back from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > clutches of Yama himself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope this helps...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > > > Arun

> > > > > > > , Shripal

> > > > > > <askvbnet>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we

> > > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > spouse is good.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > person.

> > > > > > > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we

> > > > > > able

> > > > > > > > to really come close to any person's fate.using

> > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > how actually we can come close to person's fate.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his

> > > > > > future and

> > > > > > > > can make a business a very success.How this

> > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove

> > > > > > the ill

> > > > > > > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper

> > > > > > matching?How?

> > > > > > > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope?

> > > > > > > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > will astrology help us to resolve such a

> > > > > > issues.Up to

> > > > > > > > what extent.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden

> > > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is

> > > > > > enough,however

> > > > > > > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > and try to find out how a person got such a

> > > > > > > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden

> > > > > > rule to

> > > > > > > > follow.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or

> > > > > > > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most

> > > > > > of them

> > > > > > > > are intutive while predicting rather than being

> > > > > > > > predictive.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What does all this really mean?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > > > > > ___

> > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner

> > > > > > online.

> > > > > > > http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs

> > > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover

May 11, 2004

Not sure how much God really interferes or dictates in the

individual dramas and experiencing of the drama (maya) of what we

think of as our individual souls.

It is hypocritical to state that many or any of us can conceptualize

the soul as in universal soul! The one and only soul.

The war-torture images from Iraq are a good start. What do those

bring up in our minds? What if we manage to go beyond the first

level of revulsion and in some of us, even if marginally related to

the Iraqis' experience or personal identity (victor/victim,

unwilling ones) and if we move further away and view it as an

expression of 'tit for tat' and then even further away -- our

reaction to something that happened before but only by a different

perpetrator, someone closer genetically/biologically to the

oppressed, the sufferers. Different level of physical/social

perception and reality.

Once we resolve all this stuff, then we must talk about SOUL! Let

alone UNIVERSAL SOUL!!

, "jayanshul"

<jayanshul> wrote:

> -Dear Rohiniji,

> Well said all births are interconnected by soul.However god takes

> the memory of past lives away so we focus on our present.

> There are good books on past and present lives connection by dr

> Brian Weiss

> regards

> nina

>

> -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Manoshi ji,

> >

> > What is impossible is impossible is true and often experienced

by

> > most individuals because they use a limited time frame. Usually

> the

> > time frame is this lifetime. Cynics would say, "what other time

> > frame is there a incontrovertible proof for?" BUT unless one has

> > faith in there being a string of lives, and thus a time frame

for

> > karma and all that kind of stuff that extends beyond one

lifetime,

> > it becomes a child's reality. Some children are afraid that if

> they

> > fall asleep they will never wake up. Over time, through many

> > awakenings day after day, they begin to wean away from that

fear.

> If

> > only we could recall our other lifetimes, our fear of the

> permanence

> > of the impossible and the craving for "if it is not achieved in

> this

> > lifetime, it never will be" would wane away, just as all

delusions

> > and illusions of maya must!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , "khallopapa"

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > My views:

> > >

> > > I hope I make sense atleast some people are able to relate to

it.

> > >

> > > What's impossible is impossible... even if we try, it cannot

> > happen.

> > > How much you feel for a particular thing to happen, if it's

not

> > > possible,how can you make it happen? In certain cases, to try

to

> > > make impossible happen may lead to destruction in some ways.

Why

> > do

> > > we have to get everything we want? Let a few things be the way

> > they

> > > are. We have to accept what life offers us. Thank God for what

> you

> > > got . Is it not enough that at least you got something? Why

has

> > > every paper to be stamped? Learn to give up. "..by dying you

> shall

> > > live" is a beautiful statement( by Sanjay Aggarwal). Do your

> > duties

> > > and HAVE FAITH. Dont make much noise. Be silent and do your

> karma.

> > >

> > > I remember a few lines from a ghazal,

> > >

> > > 'jo jee chahe, woh mil jaaye, kab aisa hota hai

> > > har jeevan jeene ka samjhauta hota hai'

> > >

> > > and then as our JR quote is

> > >

> > > "what cannot happen can never happen

> > > which is mine is forever mine"

> > >

> > > Manoshi

> > >

> > > , surya vishnubhotla

> > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > Hello Rohini,

> > > >

> > > > I remember reading a few of your articles on a web

> > > > site regarding Retrograde effect of planets .. I

> > > > remember being impressed by them then ! (forgive me if

> > > > I am jumbling u with someone else)

> > > >

> > > > Good comments those ..

> > > >

> > > > I was curious to know if you have a step wise

> > > > procedure or rather a checklist of what you look at

> > > > when you go about analyzing a horoscope?

> > > >

> > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > This posting is giving me a lot of trouble! Trying

> > > > > it a third time!

> > > > >

> > > > > Speaking of "higher powers" I have a few recent

> > > > > anecdotes to share

> > > > > in that vein:

> > > > >

> > > > > Several years ago when I started using jyotish

> > > > > software, I was quite

> > > > > amazed (unpleasantly) at the gross errors in

> > > > > shadbala etc that the

> > > > > software had.On switching to a software that came

> > > > > with a famous

> > > > > jyotishi's endorsement, I was shocked to see similar

> > > > > errors though

> > > > > in a different areas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then a fourth software showed another interesting

> > > > > problem. The atlas

> > > > > readings in some cases were grossly wrong and could

> > > > > lead to wrong

> > > > > charts. Also it had a feature for transferring

> > > > > individual charts

> > > > > into a group file. During the transfer, the software

> > > > > would change

> > > > > the ist from 5:30 to 5:00. I discovered that the

> > > > > hard way! Luckily I

> > > > > was not charging money for those readings!

> > > > >

> > > > > Versions change and what was working before suddenly

> > > > > gets an error,

> > > > > hence am queasey about upgrades too.

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > > "asharm_ind"

> > > > > <asharm_ind> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Shripal ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here's a story which may help you in finding the

> > > > > answer of your

> > > > > > question...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One day Guru Ramdas was sitting with a pandit

> > > > > (jyotishi). Suddenly

> > > > > a

> > > > > > young man came riding on a horse and took

> > > > > blessings of Guru Ramdas.

> > > > > > He was going for a battle. The Guru gave his

> > > > > blessings.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After the young man left, the Guru asked the

> > > > > Jyotishi to cast his

> > > > > > chart and predict his future. Being a great

> > > > > Jyotishi he was, the

> > > > > > astrologer prepared the young man's chart and

> > > > > predicted that he is

> > > > > > going to die today.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru smiled and immersed in deep meditation of

> > > > > Lord Rama. In the

> > > > > > evening the young man came back, deeply wounded

> > > > > but very much

> > > > > alive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Guru asked the astrologer to recast his chart. The

> > > > > astrologer was

> > > > > > shaken to his core when he saw that now the chart

> > > > > is telling a

> > > > > > different story. He prostrated before the Guru and

> > > > > said that you

> > > > > > are "Samarth" in changing the fate. Henceforth you

> > > > > will be called

> > > > > > Samarth Guru Ramdas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The young man was none other than Shivaji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This story tells us that there are higher powers

> > > > > in play which can

> > > > > > change the fate......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Savitri was able to reverse fate to bring her

> > > > > husband back from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > clutches of Yama himself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope this helps...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > > Arun

> > > > > > , Shripal

> > > > > <askvbnet>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we

> > > > > talk

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > spouse is good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > person.

> > > > > > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we

> > > > > able

> > > > > > > to really come close to any person's fate.using

> > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > how actually we can come close to person's fate.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his

> > > > > future and

> > > > > > > can make a business a very success.How this

> > > > > things

> > > > > > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove

> > > > > the ill

> > > > > > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper

> > > > > matching?How?

> > > > > > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope?

> > > > > > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > will astrology help us to resolve such a

> > > > > issues.Up to

> > > > > > > what extent.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden

> > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is

> > > > > enough,however

> > > > > > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > and try to find out how a person got such a

> > > > > > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden

> > > > > rule to

> > > > > > > follow.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or

> > > > > > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most

> > > > > of them

> > > > > > > are intutive while predicting rather than being

> > > > > > > predictive.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What does all this really mean?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

___________________

> > > > > > ___

> > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner

> > > > > online.

> > > > > > http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs

> > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover

May 11, 2004

"People who spend a lot of time intellectualizing and not doing good

karma, selfish or not, are simply toying with destiny. Only they

will be able to experience that in the long run, unfortunately they

will not remember the context of what started it all!!"

I beg your pardon but I think it's your bad luck that you havent

come across anyone who really does service selflessly. I know some

such people. But of course I agree to it that a person should

practice what he/she preaches. To at least try to work towards the

ideal is something I guess...Somemone somewhere sparks the

light ...right?

Manoshi

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> What you say is true and the ideal state. However, the ideal is

> often something that just remains an idea or in that mental realm!

>

> Whether I feed a poor person for selfish reasons (picture in the

> daily or votes etc) or out of selfless, goalless goodness of my

> heart, I generate good karma because that person is fed and warm

and

> felt loved for a short time.

>

> What I am saying is that sometimes selfish action of charity is

> better than inaction!

>

> People who spend a lot of time intellectualizing and not doing

good

> karma, selfish or not, are simply toying with destiny. Only they

> will be able to experience that in the long run, unfortunately

they

> will not remember the context of what started it all!!

>

> Kaliyuga is about KALI machines, good action, and as long as one

> keeps moving, only good can come out of it, in the big picture.

>

> , "khallopapa"

> <khallopapa> wrote:

> > True Rohiniranjan ji. That's why we say ....good karmas etc. But

I

> > believe, why to think of the next birth and do good karmas. Good

> > karmas should be done with no expectations. We dont know about

our

> > other births but at least we should make our THIS birth

beautiful

> by

> > doing good karmas (not for anything else but inner satisfaction).

> >

> > Manoshi

> >

> > , "jayanshul"

> > <jayanshul> wrote:

> > > -Dear Rohiniji,

> > > Well said all births are interconnected by soul.However god

> takes

> > > the memory of past lives away so we focus on our present.

> > > There are good books on past and present lives connection by

dr

> > > Brian Weiss

> > > regards

> > > nina

> > >

> > > -- In , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Manoshi ji,

> > > >

> > > > What is impossible is impossible is true and often

experienced

> > by

> > > > most individuals because they use a limited time frame.

> Usually

> > > the

> > > > time frame is this lifetime. Cynics would say, "what other

> time

> > > > frame is there a incontrovertible proof for?" BUT unless one

> has

> > > > faith in there being a string of lives, and thus a time

frame

> > for

> > > > karma and all that kind of stuff that extends beyond one

> > lifetime,

> > > > it becomes a child's reality. Some children are afraid that

if

> > > they

> > > > fall asleep they will never wake up. Over time, through many

> > > > awakenings day after day, they begin to wean away from that

> > fear.

> > > If

> > > > only we could recall our other lifetimes, our fear of the

> > > permanence

> > > > of the impossible and the craving for "if it is not achieved

> in

> > > this

> > > > lifetime, it never will be" would wane away, just as all

> > delusions

> > > > and illusions of maya must!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , "khallopapa"

> > > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > My views:

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope I make sense atleast some people are able to relate

> to

> > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > What's impossible is impossible... even if we try, it

cannot

> > > > happen.

> > > > > How much you feel for a particular thing to happen, if

it's

> > not

> > > > > possible,how can you make it happen? In certain cases, to

> try

> > to

> > > > > make impossible happen may lead to destruction in some

ways.

> > Why

> > > > do

> > > > > we have to get everything we want? Let a few things be the

> way

> > > > they

> > > > > are. We have to accept what life offers us. Thank God for

> what

> > > you

> > > > > got . Is it not enough that at least you got something?

Why

> > has

> > > > > every paper to be stamped? Learn to give up. "..by dying

you

> > > shall

> > > > > live" is a beautiful statement( by Sanjay Aggarwal). Do

your

> > > > duties

> > > > > and HAVE FAITH. Dont make much noise. Be silent and do

your

> > > karma.

> > > > >

> > > > > I remember a few lines from a ghazal,

> > > > >

> > > > > 'jo jee chahe, woh mil jaaye, kab aisa hota hai

> > > > > har jeevan jeene ka samjhauta hota hai'

> > > > >

> > > > > and then as our JR quote is

> > > > >

> > > > > "what cannot happen can never happen

> > > > > which is mine is forever mine"

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoshi

> > > > >

> > > > > , surya

vishnubhotla

> > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > > Hello Rohini,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I remember reading a few of your articles on a web

> > > > > > site regarding Retrograde effect of planets .. I

> > > > > > remember being impressed by them then ! (forgive me if

> > > > > > I am jumbling u with someone else)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good comments those ..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was curious to know if you have a step wise

> > > > > > procedure or rather a checklist of what you look at

> > > > > > when you go about analyzing a horoscope?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > This posting is giving me a lot of trouble! Trying

> > > > > > > it a third time!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Speaking of "higher powers" I have a few recent

> > > > > > > anecdotes to share

> > > > > > > in that vein:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Several years ago when I started using jyotish

> > > > > > > software, I was quite

> > > > > > > amazed (unpleasantly) at the gross errors in

> > > > > > > shadbala etc that the

> > > > > > > software had.On switching to a software that came

> > > > > > > with a famous

> > > > > > > jyotishi's endorsement, I was shocked to see similar

> > > > > > > errors though

> > > > > > > in a different areas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Then a fourth software showed another interesting

> > > > > > > problem. The atlas

> > > > > > > readings in some cases were grossly wrong and could

> > > > > > > lead to wrong

> > > > > > > charts. Also it had a feature for transferring

> > > > > > > individual charts

> > > > > > > into a group file. During the transfer, the software

> > > > > > > would change

> > > > > > > the ist from 5:30 to 5:00. I discovered that the

> > > > > > > hard way! Luckily I

> > > > > > > was not charging money for those readings!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Versions change and what was working before suddenly

> > > > > > > gets an error,

> > > > > > > hence am queasey about upgrades too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > "asharm_ind"

> > > > > > > <asharm_ind> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Shripal ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here's a story which may help you in finding the

> > > > > > > answer of your

> > > > > > > > question...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One day Guru Ramdas was sitting with a pandit

> > > > > > > (jyotishi). Suddenly

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > young man came riding on a horse and took

> > > > > > > blessings of Guru Ramdas.

> > > > > > > > He was going for a battle. The Guru gave his

> > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > After the young man left, the Guru asked the

> > > > > > > Jyotishi to cast his

> > > > > > > > chart and predict his future. Being a great

> > > > > > > Jyotishi he was, the

> > > > > > > > astrologer prepared the young man's chart and

> > > > > > > predicted that he is

> > > > > > > > going to die today.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Guru smiled and immersed in deep meditation of

> > > > > > > Lord Rama. In the

> > > > > > > > evening the young man came back, deeply wounded

> > > > > > > but very much

> > > > > > > alive.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Guru asked the astrologer to recast his chart. The

> > > > > > > astrologer was

> > > > > > > > shaken to his core when he saw that now the chart

> > > > > > > is telling a

> > > > > > > > different story. He prostrated before the Guru and

> > > > > > > said that you

> > > > > > > > are "Samarth" in changing the fate. Henceforth you

> > > > > > > will be called

> > > > > > > > Samarth Guru Ramdas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The young man was none other than Shivaji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This story tells us that there are higher powers

> > > > > > > in play which can

> > > > > > > > change the fate......

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Savitri was able to reverse fate to bring her

> > > > > > > husband back from

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > clutches of Yama himself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope this helps...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > > > > Arun

> > > > > > > > , Shripal

> > > > > > > <askvbnet>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we

> > > > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > spouse is good.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > person.

> > > > > > > > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we

> > > > > > > able

> > > > > > > > > to really come close to any person's fate.using

> > > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > how actually we can come close to person's fate.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his

> > > > > > > future and

> > > > > > > > > can make a business a very success.How this

> > > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove

> > > > > > > the ill

> > > > > > > > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper

> > > > > > > matching?How?

> > > > > > > > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope?

> > > > > > > > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > will astrology help us to resolve such a

> > > > > > > issues.Up to

> > > > > > > > > what extent.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden

> > > > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is

> > > > > > > enough,however

> > > > > > > > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > and try to find out how a person got such a

> > > > > > > > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden

> > > > > > > rule to

> > > > > > > > > follow.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or

> > > > > > > > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most

> > > > > > > of them

> > > > > > > > > are intutive while predicting rather than being

> > > > > > > > > predictive.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What does all this really mean?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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May 11, 2004

I have come across such individuals, but not many. And,

interpretations vary from one person to another, even when

individuals are judging the same person (and of course, it is always

the other person who is sadly mistaken in this reality!;-)

Anyway, if we look deep enough, there is always a shred of

selfishness there. Not that it is by itself bad. The point I was

making was that it does not have to be a pure intent or consistently

pure intent or even an intent that is universally perceived as pure.

Action is what matters. Often, given our narrow, amnesic

perspective, we are poor judges of intent anyway. If we engage in

action, soul-statistics takes care of itself.

, "khallopapa"

<khallopapa> wrote:

> "People who spend a lot of time intellectualizing and not doing

good

> karma, selfish or not, are simply toying with destiny. Only they

> will be able to experience that in the long run, unfortunately they

> will not remember the context of what started it all!!"

>

> I beg your pardon but I think it's your bad luck that you havent

> come across anyone who really does service selflessly. I know

some

> such people. But of course I agree to it that a person should

> practice what he/she preaches. To at least try to work towards the

> ideal is something I guess...Somemone somewhere sparks the

> light ...right?

>

> Manoshi

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > What you say is true and the ideal state. However, the ideal is

> > often something that just remains an idea or in that mental

realm!

> >

> > Whether I feed a poor person for selfish reasons (picture in the

> > daily or votes etc) or out of selfless, goalless goodness of my

> > heart, I generate good karma because that person is fed and warm

> and

> > felt loved for a short time.

> >

> > What I am saying is that sometimes selfish action of charity is

> > better than inaction!

> >

> > People who spend a lot of time intellectualizing and not doing

> good

> > karma, selfish or not, are simply toying with destiny. Only they

> > will be able to experience that in the long run, unfortunately

> they

> > will not remember the context of what started it all!!

> >

> > Kaliyuga is about KALI machines, good action, and as long as one

> > keeps moving, only good can come out of it, in the big picture.

> >

> > , "khallopapa"

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > True Rohiniranjan ji. That's why we say ....good karmas etc.

But

> I

> > > believe, why to think of the next birth and do good karmas.

Good

> > > karmas should be done with no expectations. We dont know about

> our

> > > other births but at least we should make our THIS birth

> beautiful

> > by

> > > doing good karmas (not for anything else but inner

satisfaction).

> > >

> > > Manoshi

> > >

> > > , "jayanshul"

> > > <jayanshul> wrote:

> > > > -Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > Well said all births are interconnected by soul.However god

> > takes

> > > > the memory of past lives away so we focus on our present.

> > > > There are good books on past and present lives connection by

> dr

> > > > Brian Weiss

> > > > regards

> > > > nina

> > > >

> > > > -- In , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@s...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Manoshi ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > What is impossible is impossible is true and often

> experienced

> > > by

> > > > > most individuals because they use a limited time frame.

> > Usually

> > > > the

> > > > > time frame is this lifetime. Cynics would say, "what other

> > time

> > > > > frame is there a incontrovertible proof for?" BUT unless

one

> > has

> > > > > faith in there being a string of lives, and thus a time

> frame

> > > for

> > > > > karma and all that kind of stuff that extends beyond one

> > > lifetime,

> > > > > it becomes a child's reality. Some children are afraid

that

> if

> > > > they

> > > > > fall asleep they will never wake up. Over time, through

many

> > > > > awakenings day after day, they begin to wean away from

that

> > > fear.

> > > > If

> > > > > only we could recall our other lifetimes, our fear of the

> > > > permanence

> > > > > of the impossible and the craving for "if it is not

achieved

> > in

> > > > this

> > > > > lifetime, it never will be" would wane away, just as all

> > > delusions

> > > > > and illusions of maya must!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , "khallopapa"

> > > > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > > My views:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope I make sense atleast some people are able to

relate

> > to

> > > it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What's impossible is impossible... even if we try, it

> cannot

> > > > > happen.

> > > > > > How much you feel for a particular thing to happen, if

> it's

> > > not

> > > > > > possible,how can you make it happen? In certain cases,

to

> > try

> > > to

> > > > > > make impossible happen may lead to destruction in some

> ways.

> > > Why

> > > > > do

> > > > > > we have to get everything we want? Let a few things be

the

> > way

> > > > > they

> > > > > > are. We have to accept what life offers us. Thank God

for

> > what

> > > > you

> > > > > > got . Is it not enough that at least you got something?

> Why

> > > has

> > > > > > every paper to be stamped? Learn to give up. "..by dying

> you

> > > > shall

> > > > > > live" is a beautiful statement( by Sanjay Aggarwal). Do

> your

> > > > > duties

> > > > > > and HAVE FAITH. Dont make much noise. Be silent and do

> your

> > > > karma.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I remember a few lines from a ghazal,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 'jo jee chahe, woh mil jaaye, kab aisa hota hai

> > > > > > har jeevan jeene ka samjhauta hota hai'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and then as our JR quote is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "what cannot happen can never happen

> > > > > > which is mine is forever mine"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoshi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , surya

> vishnubhotla

> > > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > > > Hello Rohini,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I remember reading a few of your articles on a web

> > > > > > > site regarding Retrograde effect of planets .. I

> > > > > > > remember being impressed by them then ! (forgive me if

> > > > > > > I am jumbling u with someone else)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good comments those ..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was curious to know if you have a step wise

> > > > > > > procedure or rather a checklist of what you look at

> > > > > > > when you go about analyzing a horoscope?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > This posting is giving me a lot of trouble! Trying

> > > > > > > > it a third time!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Speaking of "higher powers" I have a few recent

> > > > > > > > anecdotes to share

> > > > > > > > in that vein:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Several years ago when I started using jyotish

> > > > > > > > software, I was quite

> > > > > > > > amazed (unpleasantly) at the gross errors in

> > > > > > > > shadbala etc that the

> > > > > > > > software had.On switching to a software that came

> > > > > > > > with a famous

> > > > > > > > jyotishi's endorsement, I was shocked to see similar

> > > > > > > > errors though

> > > > > > > > in a different areas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Then a fourth software showed another interesting

> > > > > > > > problem. The atlas

> > > > > > > > readings in some cases were grossly wrong and could

> > > > > > > > lead to wrong

> > > > > > > > charts. Also it had a feature for transferring

> > > > > > > > individual charts

> > > > > > > > into a group file. During the transfer, the software

> > > > > > > > would change

> > > > > > > > the ist from 5:30 to 5:00. I discovered that the

> > > > > > > > hard way! Luckily I

> > > > > > > > was not charging money for those readings!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Versions change and what was working before suddenly

> > > > > > > > gets an error,

> > > > > > > > hence am queasey about upgrades too.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > "asharm_ind"

> > > > > > > > <asharm_ind> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shripal ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here's a story which may help you in finding the

> > > > > > > > answer of your

> > > > > > > > > question...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One day Guru Ramdas was sitting with a pandit

> > > > > > > > (jyotishi). Suddenly

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > young man came riding on a horse and took

> > > > > > > > blessings of Guru Ramdas.

> > > > > > > > > He was going for a battle. The Guru gave his

> > > > > > > > blessings.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > After the young man left, the Guru asked the

> > > > > > > > Jyotishi to cast his

> > > > > > > > > chart and predict his future. Being a great

> > > > > > > > Jyotishi he was, the

> > > > > > > > > astrologer prepared the young man's chart and

> > > > > > > > predicted that he is

> > > > > > > > > going to die today.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Guru smiled and immersed in deep meditation of

> > > > > > > > Lord Rama. In the

> > > > > > > > > evening the young man came back, deeply wounded

> > > > > > > > but very much

> > > > > > > > alive.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Guru asked the astrologer to recast his chart. The

> > > > > > > > astrologer was

> > > > > > > > > shaken to his core when he saw that now the chart

> > > > > > > > is telling a

> > > > > > > > > different story. He prostrated before the Guru and

> > > > > > > > said that you

> > > > > > > > > are "Samarth" in changing the fate. Henceforth you

> > > > > > > > will be called

> > > > > > > > > Samarth Guru Ramdas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The young man was none other than Shivaji.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This story tells us that there are higher powers

> > > > > > > > in play which can

> > > > > > > > > change the fate......

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Savitri was able to reverse fate to bring her

> > > > > > > > husband back from

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > clutches of Yama himself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hope this helps...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > > > > > Arun

> > > > > > > > > , Shripal

> > > > > > > > <askvbnet>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we

> > > > > > > > talk

> > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > spouse is good.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > person.

> > > > > > > > > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we

> > > > > > > > able

> > > > > > > > > > to really come close to any person's fate.using

> > > > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > how actually we can come close to person's fate.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his

> > > > > > > > future and

> > > > > > > > > > can make a business a very success.How this

> > > > > > > > things

> > > > > > > > > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove

> > > > > > > > the ill

> > > > > > > > > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper

> > > > > > > > matching?How?

> > > > > > > > > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope?

> > > > > > > > > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > will astrology help us to resolve such a

> > > > > > > > issues.Up to

> > > > > > > > > > what extent.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden

> > > > > > > > rule.

> > > > > > > > > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is

> > > > > > > > enough,however

> > > > > > > > > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > and try to find out how a person got such a

> > > > > > > > > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden

> > > > > > > > rule to

> > > > > > > > > > follow.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or

> > > > > > > > > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most

> > > > > > > > of them

> > > > > > > > > > are intutive while predicting rather than being

> > > > > > > > > > predictive.

> > > > > > > > > >

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This makes sense and has been put beautifully ..

Action indeed should be what counts and even better if

the intent itself is in tune with it ...

Just to share as I see it thoughts follow feelings

feelings follow actions and actions follow thoughts

.... I believe the best place to break into this cycle

to make it a positive spiral is at the point of action

....

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> I have come across such individuals, but not many.

> And,

> interpretations vary from one person to another,

> even when

> individuals are judging the same person (and of

> course, it is always

> the other person who is sadly mistaken in this

> reality!;-)

>

> Anyway, if we look deep enough, there is always a

> shred of

> selfishness there. Not that it is by itself bad. The

> point I was

> making was that it does not have to be a pure intent

> or consistently

> pure intent or even an intent that is universally

> perceived as pure.

> Action is what matters. Often, given our narrow,

> amnesic

> perspective, we are poor judges of intent anyway. If

> we engage in

> action, soul-statistics takes care of itself.

>

,

> "khallopapa"

> <khallopapa> wrote:

> > "People who spend a lot of time intellectualizing

> and not doing

> good

> > karma, selfish or not, are simply toying with

> destiny. Only they

> > will be able to experience that in the long run,

> unfortunately they

> > will not remember the context of what started it

> all!!"

> >

> > I beg your pardon but I think it's your bad luck

> that you havent

> > come across anyone who really does service

> selflessly. I know

> some

> > such people. But of course I agree to it that a

> person should

> > practice what he/she preaches. To at least try to

> work towards the

> > ideal is something I guess...Somemone somewhere

> sparks the

> > light ...right?

> >

> > Manoshi

> >

> > ,

> "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > What you say is true and the ideal state.

> However, the ideal is

> > > often something that just remains an idea or in

> that mental

> realm!

> > >

> > > Whether I feed a poor person for selfish reasons

> (picture in the

> > > daily or votes etc) or out of selfless, goalless

> goodness of my

> > > heart, I generate good karma because that person

> is fed and warm

> > and

> > > felt loved for a short time.

> > >

> > > What I am saying is that sometimes selfish

> action of charity is

> > > better than inaction!

> > >

> > > People who spend a lot of time intellectualizing

> and not doing

> > good

> > > karma, selfish or not, are simply toying with

> destiny. Only they

> > > will be able to experience that in the long run,

> unfortunately

> > they

> > > will not remember the context of what started it

> all!!

> > >

> > > Kaliyuga is about KALI machines, good action,

> and as long as one

> > > keeps moving, only good can come out of it, in

> the big picture.

> > >

> > > ,

> "khallopapa"

> > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > True Rohiniranjan ji. That's why we say

> ....good karmas etc.

> But

> > I

> > > > believe, why to think of the next birth and do

> good karmas.

> Good

> > > > karmas should be done with no expectations. We

> dont know about

> > our

> > > > other births but at least we should make our

> THIS birth

> > beautiful

> > > by

> > > > doing good karmas (not for anything else but

> inner

> satisfaction).

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi

> > > >

> > > > ,

> "jayanshul"

> > > > <jayanshul> wrote:

> > > > > -Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > Well said all births are interconnected by

> soul.However god

> > > takes

> > > > > the memory of past lives away so we focus on

> our present.

> > > > > There are good books on past and present

> lives connection by

> > dr

> > > > > Brian Weiss

> > > > > regards

> > > > > nina

> > > > >

> > > > > -- In ,

> "rohiniranjan"

> > > <rrgb@s...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Manoshi ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is impossible is impossible is true

> and often

> > experienced

> > > > by

> > > > > > most individuals because they use a

> limited time frame.

> > > Usually

> > > > > the

> > > > > > time frame is this lifetime. Cynics would

> say, "what other

> > > time

> > > > > > frame is there a incontrovertible proof

> for?" BUT unless

> one

> > > has

> > > > > > faith in there being a string of lives,

> and thus a time

> > frame

> > > > for

> > > > > > karma and all that kind of stuff that

> extends beyond one

> > > > lifetime,

> > > > > > it becomes a child's reality. Some

> children are afraid

> that

> > if

> > > > > they

> > > > > > fall asleep they will never wake up. Over

> time, through

> many

> > > > > > awakenings day after day, they begin to

> wean away from

> that

> > > > fear.

> > > > > If

> > > > > > only we could recall our other lifetimes,

> our fear of the

> > > > > permanence

> > > > > > of the impossible and the craving for "if

> it is not

> achieved

> > > in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > lifetime, it never will be" would wane

> away, just as all

> > > > delusions

> > > > > > and illusions of maya must!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

>

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or should it be thoughts -- where we can make the most significant

primary breakthrough? Pure thoughts!

, surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> This makes sense and has been put beautifully ..

> Action indeed should be what counts and even better if

> the intent itself is in tune with it ...

>

> Just to share as I see it thoughts follow feelings

> feelings follow actions and actions follow thoughts

> ... I believe the best place to break into this cycle

> to make it a positive spiral is at the point of action

> ...

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > I have come across such individuals, but not many.

> > And,

> > interpretations vary from one person to another,

> > even when

> > individuals are judging the same person (and of

> > course, it is always

> > the other person who is sadly mistaken in this

> > reality!;-)

> >

> > Anyway, if we look deep enough, there is always a

> > shred of

> > selfishness there. Not that it is by itself bad. The

> > point I was

> > making was that it does not have to be a pure intent

> > or consistently

> > pure intent or even an intent that is universally

> > perceived as pure.

> > Action is what matters. Often, given our narrow,

> > amnesic

> > perspective, we are poor judges of intent anyway. If

> > we engage in

> > action, soul-statistics takes care of itself.

> >

> > ,

> > "khallopapa"

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > "People who spend a lot of time intellectualizing

> > and not doing

> > good

> > > karma, selfish or not, are simply toying with

> > destiny. Only they

> > > will be able to experience that in the long run,

> > unfortunately they

> > > will not remember the context of what started it

> > all!!"

> > >

> > > I beg your pardon but I think it's your bad luck

> > that you havent

> > > come across anyone who really does service

> > selflessly. I know

> > some

> > > such people. But of course I agree to it that a

> > person should

> > > practice what he/she preaches. To at least try to

> > work towards the

> > > ideal is something I guess...Somemone somewhere

> > sparks the

> > > light ...right?

> > >

> > > Manoshi

> > >

> > > ,

> > "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > What you say is true and the ideal state.

> > However, the ideal is

> > > > often something that just remains an idea or in

> > that mental

> > realm!

> > > >

> > > > Whether I feed a poor person for selfish reasons

> > (picture in the

> > > > daily or votes etc) or out of selfless, goalless

> > goodness of my

> > > > heart, I generate good karma because that person

> > is fed and warm

> > > and

> > > > felt loved for a short time.

> > > >

> > > > What I am saying is that sometimes selfish

> > action of charity is

> > > > better than inaction!

> > > >

> > > > People who spend a lot of time intellectualizing

> > and not doing

> > > good

> > > > karma, selfish or not, are simply toying with

> > destiny. Only they

> > > > will be able to experience that in the long run,

> > unfortunately

> > > they

> > > > will not remember the context of what started it

> > all!!

> > > >

> > > > Kaliyuga is about KALI machines, good action,

> > and as long as one

> > > > keeps moving, only good can come out of it, in

> > the big picture.

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > "khallopapa"

> > > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > True Rohiniranjan ji. That's why we say

> > ....good karmas etc.

> > But

> > > I

> > > > > believe, why to think of the next birth and do

> > good karmas.

> > Good

> > > > > karmas should be done with no expectations. We

> > dont know about

> > > our

> > > > > other births but at least we should make our

> > THIS birth

> > > beautiful

> > > > by

> > > > > doing good karmas (not for anything else but

> > inner

> > satisfaction).

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoshi

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > "jayanshul"

> > > > > <jayanshul> wrote:

> > > > > > -Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > Well said all births are interconnected by

> > soul.However god

> > > > takes

> > > > > > the memory of past lives away so we focus on

> > our present.

> > > > > > There are good books on past and present

> > lives connection by

> > > dr

> > > > > > Brian Weiss

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > nina

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- In ,

> > "rohiniranjan"

> > > > <rrgb@s...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Manoshi ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is impossible is impossible is true

> > and often

> > > experienced

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > most individuals because they use a

> > limited time frame.

> > > > Usually

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > time frame is this lifetime. Cynics would

> > say, "what other

> > > > time

> > > > > > > frame is there a incontrovertible proof

> > for?" BUT unless

> > one

> > > > has

> > > > > > > faith in there being a string of lives,

> > and thus a time

> > > frame

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > karma and all that kind of stuff that

> > extends beyond one

> > > > > lifetime,

> > > > > > > it becomes a child's reality. Some

> > children are afraid

> > that

> > > if

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > fall asleep they will never wake up. Over

> > time, through

> > many

> > > > > > > awakenings day after day, they begin to

> > wean away from

> > that

> > > > > fear.

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > only we could recall our other lifetimes,

> > our fear of the

> > > > > > permanence

> > > > > > > of the impossible and the craving for "if

> > it is not

> > achieved

> > > > in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > lifetime, it never will be" would wane

> > away, just as all

> > > > > delusions

> > > > > > > and illusions of maya must!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > >

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

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Most people tend to be linient I believe with thoughts

because people cant judge you on them as much as they

can on your actions !! ... in some ways both actions

and thoughts count ..

I do believe thoughts are quite potent forces even

when they dont manifest in actions !!

The problem is say, we are depressed it's not easy to

break the thought chain .. it's easier to forcefully

dance (or have a friend try to shake a little) and let

the spiral maybe work in your favour ... this really

works in your favor (maybe in different degrees)!!

If one can manage pure thoughts all the time !! what

better asset does he need!!

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> or should it be thoughts -- where we can make the

> most significant

> primary breakthrough? Pure thoughts!

>

> , surya

> vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > This makes sense and has been put beautifully ..

> > Action indeed should be what counts and even

> better if

> > the intent itself is in tune with it ...

> >

> > Just to share as I see it thoughts follow feelings

> > feelings follow actions and actions follow

> thoughts

> > ... I believe the best place to break into this

> cycle

> > to make it a positive spiral is at the point of

> action

> > ...

> >

> > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > I have come across such individuals, but not

> many.

> > > And,

> > > interpretations vary from one person to another,

> > > even when

> > > individuals are judging the same person (and of

> > > course, it is always

> > > the other person who is sadly mistaken in this

> > > reality!;-)

> > >

> > > Anyway, if we look deep enough, there is always

> a

> > > shred of

> > > selfishness there. Not that it is by itself bad.

> The

> > > point I was

> > > making was that it does not have to be a pure

> intent

> > > or consistently

> > > pure intent or even an intent that is

> universally

> > > perceived as pure.

> > > Action is what matters. Often, given our narrow,

> > > amnesic

> > > perspective, we are poor judges of intent

> anyway. If

> > > we engage in

> > > action, soul-statistics takes care of itself.

> > >

> > > ,

> > > "khallopapa"

> > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > "People who spend a lot of time

> intellectualizing

> > > and not doing

> > > good

> > > > karma, selfish or not, are simply toying with

> > > destiny. Only they

> > > > will be able to experience that in the long

> run,

> > > unfortunately they

> > > > will not remember the context of what started

> it

> > > all!!"

> > > >

> > > > I beg your pardon but I think it's your bad

> luck

> > > that you havent

> > > > come across anyone who really does service

> > > selflessly. I know

> > > some

> > > > such people. But of course I agree to it that

> a

> > > person should

> > > > practice what he/she preaches. To at least try

> to

> > > work towards the

> > > > ideal is something I guess...Somemone

> somewhere

> > > sparks the

> > > > light ...right?

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > "rohiniranjan"

> > > <rrgb@s...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > What you say is true and the ideal state.

> > > However, the ideal is

> > > > > often something that just remains an idea or

> in

> > > that mental

> > > realm!

> > > > >

> > > > > Whether I feed a poor person for selfish

> reasons

> > > (picture in the

> > > > > daily or votes etc) or out of selfless,

> goalless

> > > goodness of my

> > > > > heart, I generate good karma because that

> person

> > > is fed and warm

> > > > and

> > > > > felt loved for a short time.

> > > > >

> > > > > What I am saying is that sometimes selfish

> > > action of charity is

> > > > > better than inaction!

> > > > >

> > > > > People who spend a lot of time

> intellectualizing

> > > and not doing

> > > > good

> > > > > karma, selfish or not, are simply toying

> with

> > > destiny. Only they

> > > > > will be able to experience that in the long

> run,

> > > unfortunately

> > > > they

> > > > > will not remember the context of what

> started it

> > > all!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Kaliyuga is about KALI machines, good

> action,

> > > and as long as one

> > > > > keeps moving, only good can come out of it,

> in

> > > the big picture.

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > "khallopapa"

> > > > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > > True Rohiniranjan ji. That's why we say

> > > ....good karmas etc.

> > > But

> > > > I

> > > > > > believe, why to think of the next birth

> and do

> > > good karmas.

> > > Good

> > > > > > karmas should be done with no

> expectations. We

> > > dont know about

> > > > our

> > > > > > other births but at least we should make

> our

> > > THIS birth

> > > > beautiful

> > > > > by

> > > > > > doing good karmas (not for anything else

> but

> > > inner

> > > satisfaction).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoshi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > > "jayanshul"

> > > > > > <jayanshul> wrote:

> > > > > > > -Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > Well said all births are interconnected

> by

> > > soul.However god

> > > > > takes

> > > > > > > the memory of past lives away so we

> focus on

> > > our present.

> > > > > > > There are good books on past and present

> > > lives connection by

> > > > dr

> > > > > > > Brian Weiss

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > nina

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -- In ,

> > > "rohiniranjan"

> > > > > <rrgb@s...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

>

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> Most people tend to be linient I believe with thoughts

> because people cant judge you on them as much as they

> can on your actions !! ... in some ways both actions

> and thoughts count ..

>

> I do believe thoughts are quite potent forces even

> when they dont manifest in actions !!

> If one can manage pure thoughts all the time !! what

> better asset does he need!!

The highest meditation is the thought-free state. Many people

complain "In my meditation I dont see anything". But why do we want

to see anything in meditation? Wouldnt it be easier to watch cars

moving on the road or planes flying in the sky? So many things

happen in this world. Why dont we watch them if we really want to

see something? The highest meditation is the state completely free

of thoughts and images.

As long as the mind exists, it is constantly brooding. When it

stops, when there is no thought and no imagination, that is when a

person attains something. There are many sects, many paths, many

techniques, but no matter what technique we follow, if the mind

remains alive, then it is worldly. It does not matter whether we are

following spiritual practices or worldly practices. It does not

matter whether we are contemplating Ram or Allah, because whatever

the mind can think about remains confined in the mind. Only when the

mind becomes free of thoughts, only when it becomes devoid of

imagination, only when it loses itself in the Self, do we attain

something.

We are not different from God, nor is God different from us. We are

not far away from God, nor is God far away from us. If we think we

are far away from God, that is due to the delusion of our own mind.

As our mind contemplates continously, it stops. Pursue whatever is

left. That is the ATTAINMENT.

For the mind to observe silence is the true "japa", the true mantra

repetition.

Om Tat Sat.

--Sanjay Aggarwal

jyotish_tat_sat

, surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> Most people tend to be linient I believe with thoughts

> because people cant judge you on them as much as they

> can on your actions !! ... in some ways both actions

> and thoughts count ..

>

> I do believe thoughts are quite potent forces even

> when they dont manifest in actions !!

>

> The problem is say, we are depressed it's not easy to

> break the thought chain .. it's easier to forcefully

> dance (or have a friend try to shake a little) and let

> the spiral maybe work in your favour ... this really

> works in your favor (maybe in different degrees)!!

>

> If one can manage pure thoughts all the time !! what

> better asset does he need!!

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > or should it be thoughts -- where we can make the

> > most significant

> > primary breakthrough? Pure thoughts!

> >

> > , surya

> > vishnubhotla

> > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > This makes sense and has been put beautifully ..

> > > Action indeed should be what counts and even

> > better if

> > > the intent itself is in tune with it ...

> > >

> > > Just to share as I see it thoughts follow feelings

> > > feelings follow actions and actions follow

> > thoughts

> > > ... I believe the best place to break into this

> > cycle

> > > to make it a positive spiral is at the point of

> > action

> > > ...

> > >

> > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > I have come across such individuals, but not

> > many.

> > > > And,

> > > > interpretations vary from one person to another,

> > > > even when

> > > > individuals are judging the same person (and of

> > > > course, it is always

> > > > the other person who is sadly mistaken in this

> > > > reality!;-)

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, if we look deep enough, there is always

> > a

> > > > shred of

> > > > selfishness there. Not that it is by itself bad.

> > The

> > > > point I was

> > > > making was that it does not have to be a pure

> > intent

> > > > or consistently

> > > > pure intent or even an intent that is

> > universally

> > > > perceived as pure.

> > > > Action is what matters. Often, given our narrow,

> > > > amnesic

> > > > perspective, we are poor judges of intent

> > anyway. If

> > > > we engage in

> > > > action, soul-statistics takes care of itself.

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > "khallopapa"

> > > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > "People who spend a lot of time

> > intellectualizing

> > > > and not doing

> > > > good

> > > > > karma, selfish or not, are simply toying with

> > > > destiny. Only they

> > > > > will be able to experience that in the long

> > run,

> > > > unfortunately they

> > > > > will not remember the context of what started

> > it

> > > > all!!"

> > > > >

> > > > > I beg your pardon but I think it's your bad

> > luck

> > > > that you havent

> > > > > come across anyone who really does service

> > > > selflessly. I know

> > > > some

> > > > > such people. But of course I agree to it that

> > a

> > > > person should

> > > > > practice what he/she preaches. To at least try

> > to

> > > > work towards the

> > > > > ideal is something I guess...Somemone

> > somewhere

> > > > sparks the

> > > > > light ...right?

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoshi

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > "rohiniranjan"

> > > > <rrgb@s...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > What you say is true and the ideal state.

> > > > However, the ideal is

> > > > > > often something that just remains an idea or

> > in

> > > > that mental

> > > > realm!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whether I feed a poor person for selfish

> > reasons

> > > > (picture in the

> > > > > > daily or votes etc) or out of selfless,

> > goalless

> > > > goodness of my

> > > > > > heart, I generate good karma because that

> > person

> > > > is fed and warm

> > > > > and

> > > > > > felt loved for a short time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What I am saying is that sometimes selfish

> > > > action of charity is

> > > > > > better than inaction!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > People who spend a lot of time

> > intellectualizing

> > > > and not doing

> > > > > good

> > > > > > karma, selfish or not, are simply toying

> > with

> > > > destiny. Only they

> > > > > > will be able to experience that in the long

> > run,

> > > > unfortunately

> > > > > they

> > > > > > will not remember the context of what

> > started it

> > > > all!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kaliyuga is about KALI machines, good

> > action,

> > > > and as long as one

> > > > > > keeps moving, only good can come out of it,

> > in

> > > > the big picture.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > > > "khallopapa"

> > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > > > True Rohiniranjan ji. That's why we say

> > > > ....good karmas etc.

> > > > But

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > believe, why to think of the next birth

> > and do

> > > > good karmas.

> > > > Good

> > > > > > > karmas should be done with no

> > expectations. We

> > > > dont know about

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > other births but at least we should make

> > our

> > > > THIS birth

> > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > doing good karmas (not for anything else

> > but

> > > > inner

> > > > satisfaction).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Manoshi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> > > > "jayanshul"

> > > > > > > <jayanshul> wrote:

> > > > > > > > -Dear Rohiniji,

> > > > > > > > Well said all births are interconnected

> > by

> > > > soul.However god

> > > > > > takes

> > > > > > > > the memory of past lives away so we

> > focus on

> > > > our present.

> > > > > > > > There are good books on past and present

> > > > lives connection by

> > > > > dr

> > > > > > > > Brian Weiss

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > nina

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -- In ,

> > > > "rohiniranjan"

> > > > > > <rrgb@s...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

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