Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Dear Surya: > Somehow I have never understood the idea of > destruction of ego or not having anger in totality ... > Here is another analogy.....This is a very nice topic to churn :-). There are million and millions of us standing on the shore of the ocean of Consciousness, trying to hold it in our cups. We keep looking at each others cups and comparing our cups and having arguments about our cups. Some of us feel proud because our cup is bigger than someone else's and some of us feel jealous because we feel that someone else's cup is bigger than ours. What we do not REALIZE is that none of our cups contain the vast ocean of GOD. If we were to throw our cups into the ocean, if we were to merge our EGOS into the bliss of GOD then we would no longer be CRYING and WAILING in our seperate EGO-SENSE. We would be one with that OCEAN. When we give up OUR EGO, all that is left is GOD. Let us all throw our cups into the vast OCEAN of CONSCIOUSNESS. Om Shanti Shanti Shanti. --Om Tat Sat [[sanjay Aggarwal]] , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Sanjay, > > Somehow I have never understood the idea of > destruction of ego or not having anger in totality ... > > > it sounds good and desirable to hear them .. but in > everyday life knowing really sinks when we need to > actually implement it in the heat of the moment ... > > Nice thoughts those ... However many questions come to > my mind ... > > Howevaer I have a strong belief that irrespective of > our current state of evolution we are all collectively > moving towards the same goal .. and I hope there will > be a day when I do realise the true meaning of "Aham > brahmasmi" as you mention it ... till then I should > submit to god as beign different from me and > protecting me with his benevolence like as u say a > father looks over his child !! ... > > Surya. > > --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> > wrote: > > Dear Surya: > > > > Just tuning in from southern california. Very nice > > thoughts.. > > > > > What I dont agree with is asserting "Aham > > brahmansmi" > > > without caring to clear the layers of delusion as > > you > > > say, that cover us all thru our lives ... it's > > like > > > Paundraka vasu deva challenging Sri krishna that > > he is > > > the real Krishna !!! ... > > > I just want to caution that it's possible that you > > > know the implication of "aham brahmasmi" but if > > you > > > give the same tool into the hand of someone who is > > not > > > evolved enough ... he will use it to justify his > > > actions rather than to understand the actual > > > implication ... that's what we should endevor to > > gaurd > > > against ... > > > > Yes. There is an eternal principle behind the mind, > > from which ego > > arises and which observes ego all the time. We > > should identify > > ourselves with That. That pure "I" - awareness has > > no appendages. > > That is the supreme Truth, and that is the right > > kind of "I" - > > awareness. The Vedas point to the pure "I" - > > awareness, the "I" - > > awareness which is free of all identifications, and > > they have > > sanctioned it. > > > > The sanction in the Vedic dictum "AHAM BRAHMASMI", > > "I am the highest > > Being". So we should change the direction of our > > Ego. We should have > > the Ego of "I am Consciousness, I am God, I am pure, > > I am all > > pervasive". That kind of ego is perfectly valid. > > When the ego is > > obliterated, our personality is not obliterated. For > > instance, if > > there is a person who gets angry, but his anger > > leaves him, what > > makes us think that his personality leaves him? In > > the same way, if > > a person's ego leaves him, what makes us think that > > his personality > > leaves him? :-). His personality will remain. > > > > Once the ego leaves, then what is left is the inner > > Self. > > > > > Otherwise it's very difficult to go beyond the > > > conscious mind and intellect ... a state of > > samadhi > > > which is the ultimate feeling !!! > > > > When we absorbed in God, there is no seeing and no > > being seen. > > > > The real question is "How long will it take to get > > rid of our ego?". > > It is very stubborn. > > > > The answer through my understanding is : As much > > time as it takes > > for us to snap our fingers. The ego is not holding > > us. We are > > holding it. Once a man went to see King Janaka. He > > found Janaka > > standing under a tree. He had put his elbow on a > > branch, and he was > > resting his head on his hand, thinking about > > something. The man > > asked, "You are Janaka, you are a great king. Not > > only that, you > > have risen above body-consciousness. I want your > > help to discard my > > ego." Janaka stood there with his arm around the > > branch and > > said , "Brother, just wait. I will answer your > > question when this > > branch lets me go." > > > > "But the branch is not holding you", the man said. > > "You are holding > > that branch". > > > > "You are in the same situation," said Janaka. "It is > > you who are > > holding onto your ego. You have made ego your friend > > and you dont > > want to let go of it. Now all you have to do is let > > go of it and you > > will be free". > > > > Om Tat Sat. > > > > --Sanjay Aggarwal > > > > > > > > > > , surya > > vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Sanjay, > > > > > > I agree to the extent that by constantly > > reinforcing > > > the feeling within ourselves helps us get closer > > to > > > god .. there is no doubt about it ... but I > > somehow > > > feel a guiding hand in the form of a guru is very > > > necessary to hold us from agressively making us > > more > > > egoistic ... > > > > > > What I dont agree with is asserting "Aham > > brahmansmi" > > > without caring to clear the layers of delusion as > > you > > > say, that cover us all thru our lives ... it's > > like > > > Paundraka vasu deva challenging Sri krishna that > > he is > > > the real Krishna !!! ... > > > > > > I believe regular sadhana and constantly reminding > > > ourselves that we are one with the source and one > > with > > > every living being on earth really does help > > otherwise > > > !! > > > > > > I just want to caution that it's possible that you > > > know the implication of "aham brahmasmi" but if > > you > > > give the same tool into the hand of someone who is > > not > > > evolved enough ... he will use it to justify his > > > actions rather than to understand the actual > > > implication ... that's what we should endevor to > > gaurd > > > against ... > > > > > > Otherwise it's very difficult to go beyond the > > > conscious mind and intellect ... a state of > > samadhi > > > which is the ultimate feeling !!! > > > > > > It's good to see you being so confidant of the > > fact > > > ... it surely shows that you have been born to > > evolve > > > ... sadly I must admit .. I am still in the mire > > of > > > the intellect and my desires ,... > > > > > > Way to go sanjay !! > > > > > > Surya. > > > > > > > > > --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Surya : > > > > > > > > Some more thoughts... > > > > > > > > Remember, the second we change our > > Understanding, we > > > > start to move > > > > into that state. > > > > > > > > I live in the state of my own Understanding. > > > > Everybody exists in the > > > > state of his or her Understanding, and whatever > > > > state of > > > > Understanding we live in, so we become. > > > > > > > > Whatever is inside you is inside Me, and > > whatever is > > > > inside me is > > > > inside you. So what is the difference? The only > > > > difference is in the > > > > Understanding. Some people think they lost it. > > > > Others think they Got > > > > it. When we all get IT, we develop the right > > > > Understanding and we > > > > can perceive everything within OurSelf. > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Sanjay, This is so difficult to do !! ... in any case I believe only when we can build extreme amounts of respect for self and unbounty faith in god that we can do this ... I saw the "passion of christ" yesterday, I somehow fell in love with christ as well ... I believe his is the perfect example of the immersion you are talking about ... Sometimes I wonder how fragile I am ... I believe I should work to change that to being with !! Thanks, Surya. --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology wrote: > Dear Surya: > > > Somehow I have never understood the idea of > > destruction of ego or not having anger in totality > ... > > > > Here is another analogy.....This is a very nice > topic to churn :-). > > There are million and millions of us standing on the > shore of the > ocean of Consciousness, trying to hold it in our > cups. We keep > looking at each others cups and comparing our cups > and having > arguments about our cups. Some of us feel proud > because our cup is > bigger than someone else's and some of us feel > jealous because we > feel that someone else's cup is bigger than ours. > > What we do not REALIZE is that none of our cups > contain the vast > ocean of GOD. If we were to throw our cups into the > ocean, if we > were to merge our EGOS into the bliss of GOD then we > would no longer > be CRYING and WAILING in our seperate EGO-SENSE. We > would be one > with that OCEAN. > > When we give up OUR EGO, all that is left is GOD. > > Let us all throw our cups into the vast OCEAN of > CONSCIOUSNESS. > > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti. > > --Om Tat Sat > [[sanjay Aggarwal]] > > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Sanjay, > > > > Somehow I have never understood the idea of > > destruction of ego or not having anger in totality > ... > > > > > > it sounds good and desirable to hear them .. but > in > > everyday life knowing really sinks when we need to > > actually implement it in the heat of the moment > ... > > > > Nice thoughts those ... However many questions > come to > > my mind ... > > > > Howevaer I have a strong belief that irrespective > of > > our current state of evolution we are all > collectively > > moving towards the same goal .. and I hope there > will > > be a day when I do realise the true meaning of > "Aham > > brahmasmi" as you mention it ... till then I > should > > submit to god as beign different from me and > > protecting me with his benevolence like as u say a > > father looks over his child !! ... > > > > Surya. > > > > --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> > > wrote: > > > Dear Surya: > > > > > > Just tuning in from southern california. Very > nice > > > thoughts.. > > > > > > > What I dont agree with is asserting "Aham > > > brahmansmi" > > > > without caring to clear the layers of delusion > as > > > you > > > > say, that cover us all thru our lives ... it's > > > like > > > > Paundraka vasu deva challenging Sri krishna > that > > > he is > > > > the real Krishna !!! ... > > > > I just want to caution that it's possible that > you > > > > know the implication of "aham brahmasmi" but > if > > > you > > > > give the same tool into the hand of someone > who is > > > not > > > > evolved enough ... he will use it to justify > his > > > > actions rather than to understand the actual > > > > implication ... that's what we should endevor > to > > > gaurd > > > > against ... > > > > > > Yes. There is an eternal principle behind the > mind, > > > from which ego > > > arises and which observes ego all the time. We > > > should identify > > > ourselves with That. That pure "I" - awareness > has > > > no appendages. > > > That is the supreme Truth, and that is the right > > > kind of "I" - > > > awareness. The Vedas point to the pure "I" - > > > awareness, the "I" - > > > awareness which is free of all identifications, > and > > > they have > > > sanctioned it. > > > > > > The sanction in the Vedic dictum "AHAM > BRAHMASMI", > > > "I am the highest > > > Being". So we should change the direction of our > > > Ego. We should have > > > the Ego of "I am Consciousness, I am God, I am > pure, > > > I am all > > > pervasive". That kind of ego is perfectly valid. > > > > When the ego is > > > obliterated, our personality is not obliterated. > For > > > instance, if > > > there is a person who gets angry, but his anger > > > leaves him, what > > > makes us think that his personality leaves him? > In > > > the same way, if > > > a person's ego leaves him, what makes us think > that > > > his personality > > > leaves him? :-). His personality will remain. > > > > > > Once the ego leaves, then what is left is the > inner > > > Self. > > > > > > > Otherwise it's very difficult to go beyond the > > > > conscious mind and intellect ... a state of > > > samadhi > > > > which is the ultimate feeling !!! > > > > > > When we absorbed in God, there is no seeing and > no > > > being seen. > > > > > > The real question is "How long will it take to > get > > > rid of our ego?". > > > It is very stubborn. > > > > > > The answer through my understanding is : As much > > > time as it takes > > > for us to snap our fingers. The ego is not > holding > > > us. We are > > > holding it. Once a man went to see King Janaka. > He > > > found Janaka > > > standing under a tree. He had put his elbow on a > > > branch, and he was > > > resting his head on his hand, thinking about > > > something. The man > > > asked, "You are Janaka, you are a great king. > Not > > > only that, you > > > have risen above body-consciousness. I want your > > > help to discard my > > > ego." Janaka stood there with his arm around the > > > branch and > > > said , "Brother, just wait. I will answer your > > > question when this > > > branch lets me go." > > > > > > "But the branch is not holding you", the man > said. > > > "You are holding > > > that branch". > > > > === message truncated === Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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