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RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Fate of a person can be changed

Dear Rajesh,

You have broached a very interesting subject. I have observed lately with

growing dismay and sadness, that many people approach mantras with certain

'purposes'. The moment a purpose or a desire is attached to a mantra it

becomes tainted and non-satvik or rather it's a satva that is very much

impure, even if that purpose be that of siddhi or moksha. The great souls

say that the only reason for chanting mantras is for the realization of god

and that he may have mercy upon us. Once this happens, and if we

relentlessly worship day after day with single-minded devotion and focus,

our material life becomes smoother and protected. The protection factor in

fact becomes very strong. The Supreme Being always protects. We cannot

change our karma. The boy was destined to die; you cannot change that. But

it was his extreme good fortune, that immediately prior to his death he had

darshan of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva...as Om they surely signify the

Paramatma. And he died as soon as he met Shiva! Wow that must be instant

mukti from the entire cycle of birth. Rest assured he must have been a very

divine soul who came to this earth to fulfil a very brief karma.

As far as we are concerned as individuals we must always ensure that we are

doing the right karma and 'calling' Him all the time. For without his

unending mercy there is no respite in this world. Meanwhile we will have to

suffer and experience what is destined for us. That is irrespective of the

japas and mantras that we must continue to do through out our lives...for

you see Rajesh, there is no other way out!

Best regards,

Sarbani

Rajesh M. Kumaria [rajeshkumaria2000 ]

Sunday, May 09, 2004 12:44 AM

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[vedic astrology] Re: Fate of a person can be changed

Dear Neeraj

Here are my humble conclusions after your interesting story:

1.Divine Providence could not be altered even by Lords Vishnu, Mahesh and

Brahma. So the emerging conclusion is that all the hardwork and

Tapasaya(Mantras) actually led to the death. While it could be true in that

boy's case, yet it's a depressing thought when one reaches the conclusion

that chanting thousands of mantaras will lead no where. Then what is the use

of mantaras? I think this conclusion is not true in all cases and it will

lead to fatalist type thinking.

Rather manatras should help to bring peace, prosperity and better

circumstances, since we are supposed to get relief from the higher

powers/Gods to whom we are praying and depending upon the chart (Sanchit

Karma and D-60) some good developments should happen.

2. The Guru of that boy failed to predict the conditions under which the boy

will die and unnecessary initiated all puja etc., for Brahama, Vishnu and

Mahesh. Had he perceieved all these conditions, there was no need for all

the pujas and the boy would have lived longer. That means obviously that

lonegivity determination is not perfect in it self.

3. That the Guru and the three lords were destined to get together in the

boy's case and so they all helped to make the destiny come true.

That also means that in other cases, the Gods can also be destined to get

together and make positive developments come true. So Mantaras can help in

such cases. If the negative was destined, then so should the positive be. So

there's an optimistic thought emerging form this depressing story. So fate

can be changed in some cases!

Thanks and Regards

RMK

vedic astrology, Neeraj Gupta

<gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote:

> Dear Shripal,

>

> No, fate cannot be changed. The destiny is fixed. Have you seen all

> people going for remedial measures / Yajnas / poojas mantras etc.

>

> Some or the other time, one has to go through bad phase. Even the

> remedies that we do are destined.

> Generally they are blessing of Shri Vishnu or Jupiter (guru-> note

> here guru is guiding you, he can be anyone, your family member,

> astrologer, priest or somebody else) will be aspecting that house or

> is related in some way or another.

>

> This reminds of one old story. There was a guy long back when people

> used to go to gurukul for taking education. So, this guy was very

> intelligent and his guru was impressed with him. One day his guru saw

> his chart and found that his age is very less. He told to the boy and

> he was also bit depressed and he told his guru to do some remedy and

> he said he didn't want to die at such a young age. So, his guru did

> Tapa for Lord Brahama (who creates destiny), so Brahma Ji came and

> told them, it's not possible for him to increase the life for that

> guy. What he has written is fixed.

> But they (guy and guru) were adamant, so Brahma Ji suggested them,

> they all should go to Lord Vishnu. So all three (Brahma Ji, Guru, and

> guy) went to lord vishnu. He too expressed that it is not possible for

> him also to increase the life span and suggested that Lord Shiva may

> help as he is the one who looks after destruction etc. So all four

> (Brahma Ji, Vishnu Ji, Guru and guy) went to Lord Shiva. As soon as

> they reached near lord shiva, just then a big Rock fell from the

> mountain on the boy and the boy died.

>

> The guru felt very bad and said, I have been trying to save his life

> but still you cannot do anything. You are supreme, so how all this

> happened, kindly explain?

> Lord Shiva asked the Guru to turn the Stone. Guru ji did that and

> found what was written on the stone.

>

> "The day, when Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh (shiva), guru of this guy and

> the guy himself will all be present together, only then death can come

> to this person otherwise not"

>

> So, I hope, I have cleared my point and answered your question.

>

> Kind Regards,

>

> Neeraj Gupta

> --- Shripal <askvbnet> wrote:

> > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we talk about malefic of

> > one's chart can be nullified,if chart of spouse is good.

> >

> > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of a person.

> > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we able to really come

> > close to any person's fate.using astrology how actually we can come

> > close to person's fate.

> >

> > People using muhurtha can really change his future and can make a

> > business a very success.How this things work is really a Question

> > mark? Can we remove the ill effect of 7th house by doing a proper

> > matching?How?

> > If in one accident many lives are taken, does that indicate

> > similarity in everyones horoscope?

> > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than how will astrology

> > help us to resolve such a issues.Up to what extent.

> >

> > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden rule.

> > sometimes for them only lagna chart is enough,however sometimes they

> > go for navmasa or chalit or moon chart and try to find out how a

> > person got such a heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden rule

> > to follow.

> >

> > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or I guess depending upon

> > astrologer's chart,Most of them are intutive while predicting rather

> > than being predictive.

> >

> > What does all this really mean?

> >

>

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Hi,

Thanks for so many view form you all.

But as per jainism one incident has occured,while Lord Mahavira

was going to Moksha(taking nirvana),Indra approached him and asked him

to stay for a minute and then die or go moksha,He himself had a power

to do it,Indra wanted this because so that next yuga that is Kal yuga

will be destined with only good things or you can say yuga wouldn't

have changed.

But Lord Mahavira said that "What ever is going to happen is going to

happen,Destiny of each and every person is decided,It cannot be

changed nor altered.All yuga's are fixed,"

Peolple think they can change,but I think they think,and sometimes

that happen because,that has been meant that way,Every person destiny

is decided.

For example one is working hard to achieve something because ,his

destiny tells hime to that.Why a lazy person cannot be like hard

working till his time comes.

My philosophy is

Time is still,time never changes.All person or things

around it changes,but time will never.

We think time has changed,But if you think deep,we have changed time

hasn't.

For example birth in all yagas are given by mother or you can say

female,till know it has not changed.

, Neeraj Gupta

<gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote:

> Here are some comments about the post from Guru

> Sarbani Ji.

>

> Note: forwarded message attached.

>

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>

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> Dear Rajesh,

>

> You have broached a very interesting subject. I have observed lately

with

> growing dismay and sadness, that many people approach mantras with

certain

> 'purposes'. The moment a purpose or a desire is attached to a mantra it

> becomes tainted and non-satvik or rather it's a satva that is very much

> impure, even if that purpose be that of siddhi or moksha. The great

souls

> say that the only reason for chanting mantras is for the realization

of god

> and that he may have mercy upon us. Once this happens, and if we

> relentlessly worship day after day with single-minded devotion and

focus,

> our material life becomes smoother and protected. The protection

factor in

> fact becomes very strong. The Supreme Being always protects. We cannot

> change our karma. The boy was destined to die; you cannot change

that. But

> it was his extreme good fortune, that immediately prior to his death

he had

> darshan of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva...as Om they surely signify the

> Paramatma. And he died as soon as he met Shiva! Wow that must be instant

> mukti from the entire cycle of birth. Rest assured he must have been

a very

> divine soul who came to this earth to fulfil a very brief karma.

>

> As far as we are concerned as individuals we must always ensure that

we are

> doing the right karma and 'calling' Him all the time. For without his

> unending mercy there is no respite in this world. Meanwhile we will

have to

> suffer and experience what is destined for us. That is irrespective

of the

> japas and mantras that we must continue to do through out our

lives...for

> you see Rajesh, there is no other way out!

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

> ---

May 10, 2004

Shripal Doshi <askvbnet (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Hi, Thanks for so many view form you all. But as per jainism one incident

has occured,while Lord Mahavirawas going to Moksha(taking nirvana),Indra

approached him and asked himto stay for a minute and then die or go moksha,He

himself had a powerto do it,Indra wanted this because so that next yuga that is

Kal yugawill be destined with only good things or you can say yuga wouldn'thave

changed.But Lord Mahavira said that "What ever is going to happen is going

tohappen,Destiny of each and every person is decided,It cannot bechanged nor

altered.All yuga's are fixed,"Peolple think they can change,but I think they

think,and sometimesthat happen because,that has been meant that way,Every

person destinyis decided.For example one is working hard to achieve something

because

,hisdestiny tells hime to that.Why a lazy person cannot be like hardworking till

his time comes.My philosophy isTime is still,time never changes.All person or

thingsaround it changes,but time will never.We think time has changed,But if

you think deep,we have changed timehasn't.For example birth in all yagas are

given by mother or you can sayfemale,till know it has not changed.--- In

, Neeraj Gupta<gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote:>

Here are some comments about the post from Guru> Sarbani Ji.> > Note: forwarded

message attached.> > > =====> http://www.geocities.com/getdollar88> > > >

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$20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs >

http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover > Dear Rajesh,> > You have

broached a very interesting subject. I have observed latelywith> growing dismay

and sadness, that many people approach mantras withcertain> 'purposes'. The

moment a purpose or a desire is attached to a mantra it> becomes tainted and

non-satvik or rather it's a satva that is very much> impure, even if that

purpose be that of siddhi or moksha. The greatsouls> say that the only reason

for chanting mantras is for the realizationof god> and that he may have mercy

upon us. Once this happens, and if we> relentlessly worship day after day with

single-minded devotion andfocus,> our material life becomes smoother and

protected. The protectionfactor in> fact becomes very strong. The

Supreme Being always protects. We cannot> change our karma. The boy was destined

to die; you cannot changethat. But> it was his extreme good fortune, that

immediately prior to his deathhe had> darshan of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva...as

Om they surely signify the> Paramatma. And he died as soon as he met Shiva! Wow

that must be instant> mukti from the entire cycle of birth. Rest assured he must

have beena very> divine soul who came to this earth to fulfil a very brief

karma. > > As far as we are concerned as individuals we must always ensure

thatwe are> doing the right karma and 'calling' Him all the time. For without

his> unending mercy there is no respite in this world. Meanwhile we willhave

to> suffer and experience what is destined for us. That is irrespectiveof the>

japas and mantras that we must continue to do through out ourlives...for> you

see Rajesh, there is

no other way out!> > Best regards,> > Sarbani > > > > ---~! LIFE MEANS

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