Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we talk about malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart of spouse is good. Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of a person. Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we able to really come close to any person's fate.using astrology how actually we can come close to person's fate. People using muhurtha can really change his future and can make a business a very success.How this things work is really a Question mark? Can we remove the ill effect of 7th house by doing a proper matching?How? If in one accident many lives are taken, does that indicate similarity in everyones horoscope? Or that is a fate of each and every person,than how will astrology help us to resolve such a issues.Up to what extent. why all astrologer does not follow only a golden rule. sometimes for them only lagna chart is enough,however sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon chart and try to find out how a person got such a heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden rule to follow. Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most of them are intutive while predicting rather than being predictive. What does all this really mean? ______________________ India Matrimony: Find your partner online. http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Dear Shripal, No, fate cannot be changed. The destiny is fixed. Have you seen all people going for remedial measures / Yajnas / poojas mantras etc. Some or the other time, one has to go through bad phase. Even the remedies that we do are destined. Generally they are blessing of Shri Vishnu or Jupiter (guru-> note here guru is guiding you, he can be anyone, your family member, astrologer, priest or somebody else) will be aspecting that house or is related in some way or another. This reminds of one old story. There was a guy long back when people used to go to gurukul for taking education. So, this guy was very intelligent and his guru was impressed with him. One day his guru saw his chart and found that his age is very less. He told to the boy and he was also bit depressed and he told his guru to do some remedy and he said he didn't want to die at such a young age. So, his guru did Tapa for Lord Brahama (who creates destiny), so Brahma Ji came and told them, it's not possible for him to increase the life for that guy. What he has written is fixed. But they (guy and guru) were adamant, so Brahma Ji suggested them, they all should go to Lord Vishnu. So all three (Brahma Ji, Guru, and guy) went to lord vishnu. He too expressed that it is not possible for him also to increase the life span and suggested that Lord Shiva may help as he is the one who looks after destruction etc. So all four (Brahma Ji, Vishnu Ji, Guru and guy) went to Lord Shiva. As soon as they reached near lord shiva, just then a big Rock fell from the mountain on the boy and the boy died. The guru felt very bad and said, I have been trying to save his life but still you cannot do anything. You are supreme, so how all this happened, kindly explain? Lord Shiva asked the Guru to turn the Stone. Guru ji did that and found what was written on the stone. "The day, when Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh (shiva), guru of this guy and the guy himself will all be present together, only then death can come to this person otherwise not" So, I hope, I have cleared my point and answered your question. Kind Regards, Neeraj Gupta --- Shripal <askvbnet wrote: > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we talk > about > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart of > spouse is good. > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of a > person. > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we able > to really come close to any person's fate.using > astrology > how actually we can come close to person's fate. > > People using muhurtha can really change his future > and > can make a business a very success.How this things > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove the > ill > effect of 7th house by doing a proper matching?How? > If in one accident many lives are taken, does that > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope? > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than how > will astrology help us to resolve such a issues.Up > to > what extent. > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden > rule. > sometimes for them only lagna chart is > enough,however > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon > chart > and try to find out how a person got such a > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden rule > to > follow. > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most of > them > are intutive while predicting rather than being > predictive. > > What does all this really mean? > > > > ______________________ > India Matrimony: Find your partner online. > http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ > ===== http://www.geocities.com/getdollar88 Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 I can understand individuals having to go through bad times for reasons of karma, but what would be the purpose of remedies being destined also? Are you saying that 'remedies' serve as a payback of sorts and not antidotes as most consider them to be? This also makes sense in a weird sort of way because most remedies involve either expenses (that gives a lot of pain to most material creatures!) or through sitting in a fasting state through hours of poojas and homas and listening for hours to words that one does not understand. So, it is all about experiencing pain and denial (of comfort) and penance. Hmm ... hope I did not read too much between the lines, going way beyond what the author intended or even thought about! , Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > Dear Shripal, > > No, fate cannot be changed. The destiny is fixed. Have > you seen all people going for remedial measures / > Yajnas / poojas mantras etc. > > Some or the other time, one has to go through bad > phase. Even the remedies that we do are destined. > Generally they are blessing of Shri Vishnu or Jupiter > (guru-> note here guru is guiding you, he can be > anyone, your family member, astrologer, priest or > somebody else) will be aspecting that house or is > related in some way or another. > > This reminds of one old story. There was a guy long > back when people used to go to gurukul for taking > education. So, this guy was very intelligent and his > guru was impressed with him. One day his guru saw his > chart and found that his age is very less. He told to > the boy and he was also bit depressed and he told his > guru to do some remedy and he said he didn't want to > die at such a young age. So, his guru did Tapa for > Lord Brahama (who creates destiny), so Brahma Ji came > and told them, it's not possible for him to increase > the life for that guy. What he has written is fixed. > But they (guy and guru) were adamant, so Brahma Ji > suggested them, they all should go to Lord Vishnu. So > all three (Brahma Ji, Guru, and guy) went to lord > vishnu. He too expressed that it is not possible for > him also to increase the life span and suggested that > Lord Shiva may help as he is the one who looks after > destruction etc. So all four (Brahma Ji, Vishnu Ji, > Guru and guy) went to Lord Shiva. As soon as they > reached near lord shiva, just then a big Rock fell > from the mountain on the boy and the boy died. > > The guru felt very bad and said, I have been trying to > save his life but still you cannot do anything. You > are supreme, so how all this happened, kindly explain? > Lord Shiva asked the Guru to turn the Stone. Guru ji > did that and found what was written on the stone. > > "The day, when Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh (shiva), guru > of this guy and the guy himself will all be present > together, only then death can come to this person > otherwise not" > > So, I hope, I have cleared my point and answered your > question. > > Kind Regards, > > Neeraj Gupta > --- Shripal <askvbnet> wrote: > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we talk > > about > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart of > > spouse is good. > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of a > > person. > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we able > > to really come close to any person's fate.using > > astrology > > how actually we can come close to person's fate. > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his future > > and > > can make a business a very success.How this things > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove the > > ill > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper matching?How? > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does that > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope? > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than how > > will astrology help us to resolve such a issues.Up > > to > > what extent. > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden > > rule. > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is > > enough,however > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon > > chart > > and try to find out how a person got such a > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden rule > > to > > follow. > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most of > > them > > are intutive while predicting rather than being > > predictive. > > > > What does all this really mean? > > > > > > > > > ___________________ ___ > > India Matrimony: Find your partner online. > > http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ > > > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/getdollar88 > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ Dear Manas Kumar, Remedies can lessen the effect of bad times to certain extent or increase the effect of good times to certain level and not everything can be covered by remedy. Otherwise, no body would have any sufferings / pain etc. Everybody will do remedial measure and live peacefully. There are individuals who don't believe in fate / astrology (i was one of them couple of years back). Though karma is very important, what I realized in last 4 years that we can work hard, we can plan, we can think, we can act, do remedies, consulting and whatsoever one can do, but still the ultimate result is not in our hands. Do the karma and leave the result to GOD. One or some other day (the time span may/might be tooo long sometimes), we will get the result. Kind Regards, Neeraj Gupta --- Manas Kumar <manaskumar wrote: > I can understand individuals having to go through > bad times for > reasons of karma, but what would be the purpose of > remedies being > destined also? Are you saying that 'remedies' serve > as a payback of > sorts and not antidotes as most consider them to be? > This also makes > sense in a weird sort of way because most remedies > involve either > expenses (that gives a lot of pain to most material > creatures!) or > through sitting in a fasting state through hours of > poojas and homas > and listening for hours to words that one does not > understand. So, > it is all about experiencing pain and denial (of > comfort) and > penance. > > Hmm ... hope I did not read too much between the > lines, going way > beyond what the author intended or even thought > about! > > > > > , Neeraj > Gupta > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > Dear Shripal, > > > > No, fate cannot be changed. The destiny is fixed. > Have > > you seen all people going for remedial measures / > > Yajnas / poojas mantras etc. > > > > Some or the other time, one has to go through bad > > phase. Even the remedies that we do are destined. > > Generally they are blessing of Shri Vishnu or > Jupiter > > (guru-> note here guru is guiding you, he can be > > anyone, your family member, astrologer, priest or > > somebody else) will be aspecting that house or is > > related in some way or another. > > > > This reminds of one old story. There was a guy > long > > back when people used to go to gurukul for taking > > education. So, this guy was very intelligent and > his > > guru was impressed with him. One day his guru saw > his > > chart and found that his age is very less. He told > to > > the boy and he was also bit depressed and he told > his > > guru to do some remedy and he said he didn't want > to > > die at such a young age. So, his guru did Tapa for > > Lord Brahama (who creates destiny), so Brahma Ji > came > > and told them, it's not possible for him to > increase > > the life for that guy. What he has written is > fixed. > > But they (guy and guru) were adamant, so Brahma Ji > > suggested them, they all should go to Lord Vishnu. > So > > all three (Brahma Ji, Guru, and guy) went to lord > > vishnu. He too expressed that it is not possible > for > > him also to increase the life span and suggested > that > > Lord Shiva may help as he is the one who looks > after > > destruction etc. So all four (Brahma Ji, Vishnu > Ji, > > Guru and guy) went to Lord Shiva. As soon as they > > reached near lord shiva, just then a big Rock fell > > from the mountain on the boy and the boy died. > > > > The guru felt very bad and said, I have been > trying to > > save his life but still you cannot do anything. > You > > are supreme, so how all this happened, kindly > explain? > > Lord Shiva asked the Guru to turn the Stone. Guru > ji > > did that and found what was written on the stone. > > > > "The day, when Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh (shiva), > guru > > of this guy and the guy himself will all be > present > > together, only then death can come to this person > > otherwise not" > > > > So, I hope, I have cleared my point and answered > your > > question. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > --- Shripal <askvbnet> wrote: > > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we > talk > > > about > > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart > of > > > spouse is good. > > > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of > a > > > person. > > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we > able > > > to really come close to any person's fate.using > > > astrology > > > how actually we can come close to person's fate. > > > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his > future > > > and > > > can make a business a very success.How this > things > > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove > the > > > ill > > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper > matching?How? > > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does > that > > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope? > > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than > how > > > will astrology help us to resolve such a > issues.Up > > > to > > > what extent. > > > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden > > > rule. > > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is > > > enough,however > > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon > > > chart > > > and try to find out how a person got such a > > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden > rule > > > to > > > follow. > > > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or > > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most > of > > > them > > > are intutive while predicting rather than being > > > predictive. > > > > > > What does all this really mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > ___ > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner > online. > > > http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ > > > > > > > > > ===== > > http://www.geocities.com/getdollar88 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover > > ===== http://www.geocities.com/getdollar88 Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Very interesting discussion. I straddle the fence in regards to this issue :-). Yes, fate can be changed to a certain extent, for certain people, under certain circumstances. And no, there are no guarentees that it can be changed. It's almost as if every situation or person has certain "degrees of freedom", within which they are free to change their fate with the approriate steps. Sometimes this degree of freedom tends to zero, other times it tends to infinity, and most times, its somewhere between the two extremes, i.e. there are certain elements you can change and certain others you cannot. Neeraj's advice is the best I've seen so far, "do the Karma and leave the result to God." Very well put. Not trying to better your circumstances with blind acceptance of anything that life dishes out is not the answer, and neither is not knowing when to quit and accept things with good grace. :-) I am reminded of the old Serenity prayer, "God give me the courage to change things I should change, the serenity to accept things I cannot change and the wisdom to know the difference!" Venkatarama , Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > Dear Manas Kumar, > > Remedies can lessen the effect of bad times to certain > extent or increase the effect of good times to certain > level and not everything can be covered by remedy. > Otherwise, no body would have any sufferings / pain > etc. Everybody will do remedial measure and live > peacefully. > > There are individuals who don't believe in fate / > astrology (i was one of them couple of years back). > Though karma is very important, what I realized in > last 4 years that we can work hard, we can plan, we > can think, we can act, do remedies, consulting and > whatsoever one can do, but still the ultimate result > is not in our hands. Do the karma and leave the result > to GOD. One or some other day (the time span may/might > be tooo long sometimes), we will get the result. > > Kind Regards, > > Neeraj Gupta > --- Manas Kumar <manaskumar@h...> wrote: > > I can understand individuals having to go through > > bad times for > > reasons of karma, but what would be the purpose of > > remedies being > > destined also? Are you saying that 'remedies' serve > > as a payback of > > sorts and not antidotes as most consider them to be? > > This also makes > > sense in a weird sort of way because most remedies > > involve either > > expenses (that gives a lot of pain to most material > > creatures!) or > > through sitting in a fasting state through hours of > > poojas and homas > > and listening for hours to words that one does not > > understand. So, > > it is all about experiencing pain and denial (of > > comfort) and > > penance. > > > > Hmm ... hope I did not read too much between the > > lines, going way > > beyond what the author intended or even thought > > about! > > > > > > > > > > , Neeraj > > Gupta > > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > > Dear Shripal, > > > > > > No, fate cannot be changed. The destiny is fixed. > > Have > > > you seen all people going for remedial measures / > > > Yajnas / poojas mantras etc. > > > > > > Some or the other time, one has to go through bad > > > phase. Even the remedies that we do are destined. > > > Generally they are blessing of Shri Vishnu or > > Jupiter > > > (guru-> note here guru is guiding you, he can be > > > anyone, your family member, astrologer, priest or > > > somebody else) will be aspecting that house or is > > > related in some way or another. > > > > > > This reminds of one old story. There was a guy > > long > > > back when people used to go to gurukul for taking > > > education. So, this guy was very intelligent and > > his > > > guru was impressed with him. One day his guru saw > > his > > > chart and found that his age is very less. He told > > to > > > the boy and he was also bit depressed and he told > > his > > > guru to do some remedy and he said he didn't want > > to > > > die at such a young age. So, his guru did Tapa for > > > Lord Brahama (who creates destiny), so Brahma Ji > > came > > > and told them, it's not possible for him to > > increase > > > the life for that guy. What he has written is > > fixed. > > > But they (guy and guru) were adamant, so Brahma Ji > > > suggested them, they all should go to Lord Vishnu. > > So > > > all three (Brahma Ji, Guru, and guy) went to lord > > > vishnu. He too expressed that it is not possible > > for > > > him also to increase the life span and suggested > > that > > > Lord Shiva may help as he is the one who looks > > after > > > destruction etc. So all four (Brahma Ji, Vishnu > > Ji, > > > Guru and guy) went to Lord Shiva. As soon as they > > > reached near lord shiva, just then a big Rock fell > > > from the mountain on the boy and the boy died. > > > > > > The guru felt very bad and said, I have been > > trying to > > > save his life but still you cannot do anything. > > You > > > are supreme, so how all this happened, kindly > > explain? > > > Lord Shiva asked the Guru to turn the Stone. Guru > > ji > > > did that and found what was written on the stone. > > > > > > "The day, when Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh (shiva), > > guru > > > of this guy and the guy himself will all be > > present > > > together, only then death can come to this person > > > otherwise not" > > > > > > So, I hope, I have cleared my point and answered > > your > > > question. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > --- Shripal <askvbnet> wrote: > > > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we > > talk > > > > about > > > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart > > of > > > > spouse is good. > > > > > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of > > a > > > > person. > > > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we > > able > > > > to really come close to any person's fate.using > > > > astrology > > > > how actually we can come close to person's fate. > > > > > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his > > future > > > > and > > > > can make a business a very success.How this > > things > > > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove > > the > > > > ill > > > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper > > matching?How? > > > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does > > that > > > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope? > > > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than > > how > > > > will astrology help us to resolve such a > > issues.Up > > > > to > > > > what extent. > > > > > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden > > > > rule. > > > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is > > > > enough,however > > > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon > > > > chart > > > > and try to find out how a person got such a > > > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden > > rule > > > > to > > > > follow. > > > > > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or > > > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most > > of > > > > them > > > > are intutive while predicting rather than being > > > > predictive. > > > > > > > > What does all this really mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > ___ > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner > > online. > > > > http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > http://www.geocities.com/getdollar88 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > > > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover > > > > > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/getdollar88 > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Yes, Gita (Sri Krishna) also says that (desire not the fruit while you water the tree of karma). Astrology, remedies begin to look so superficial, almost useless when one reaches and can live that level of detached life. RR , "venkatarama_sastry" <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > Very interesting discussion. I straddle the fence in regards to this > issue :-). Yes, fate can be changed to a certain extent, for certain > people, under certain circumstances. And no, there are no guarentees > that it can be changed. > > It's almost as if every situation or person has certain "degrees of > freedom", within which they are free to change their fate with the > approriate steps. Sometimes this degree of freedom tends to zero, > other times it tends to infinity, and most times, its somewhere > between the two extremes, i.e. there are certain elements you can > change and certain others you cannot. > > Neeraj's advice is the best I've seen so far, "do the Karma and > leave the result to God." Very well put. Not trying to better your > circumstances with blind acceptance of anything that life dishes out > is not the answer, and neither is not knowing when to quit and > accept things with good grace. :-) I am reminded of the old Serenity > prayer, "God give me the courage to change things I should change, > the serenity to accept things I cannot change and the wisdom to know > the difference!" > > Venkatarama > > , Neeraj Gupta > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > > Dear Manas Kumar, > > > > Remedies can lessen the effect of bad times to certain > > extent or increase the effect of good times to certain > > level and not everything can be covered by remedy. > > Otherwise, no body would have any sufferings / pain > > etc. Everybody will do remedial measure and live > > peacefully. > > > > There are individuals who don't believe in fate / > > astrology (i was one of them couple of years back). > > Though karma is very important, what I realized in > > last 4 years that we can work hard, we can plan, we > > can think, we can act, do remedies, consulting and > > whatsoever one can do, but still the ultimate result > > is not in our hands. Do the karma and leave the result > > to GOD. One or some other day (the time span may/might > > be tooo long sometimes), we will get the result. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > --- Manas Kumar <manaskumar@h...> wrote: > > > I can understand individuals having to go through > > > bad times for > > > reasons of karma, but what would be the purpose of > > > remedies being > > > destined also? Are you saying that 'remedies' serve > > > as a payback of > > > sorts and not antidotes as most consider them to be? > > > This also makes > > > sense in a weird sort of way because most remedies > > > involve either > > > expenses (that gives a lot of pain to most material > > > creatures!) or > > > through sitting in a fasting state through hours of > > > poojas and homas > > > and listening for hours to words that one does not > > > understand. So, > > > it is all about experiencing pain and denial (of > > > comfort) and > > > penance. > > > > > > Hmm ... hope I did not read too much between the > > > lines, going way > > > beyond what the author intended or even thought > > > about! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Neeraj > > > Gupta > > > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > > > Dear Shripal, > > > > > > > > No, fate cannot be changed. The destiny is fixed. > > > Have > > > > you seen all people going for remedial measures / > > > > Yajnas / poojas mantras etc. > > > > > > > > Some or the other time, one has to go through bad > > > > phase. Even the remedies that we do are destined. > > > > Generally they are blessing of Shri Vishnu or > > > Jupiter > > > > (guru-> note here guru is guiding you, he can be > > > > anyone, your family member, astrologer, priest or > > > > somebody else) will be aspecting that house or is > > > > related in some way or another. > > > > > > > > This reminds of one old story. There was a guy > > > long > > > > back when people used to go to gurukul for taking > > > > education. So, this guy was very intelligent and > > > his > > > > guru was impressed with him. One day his guru saw > > > his > > > > chart and found that his age is very less. He told > > > to > > > > the boy and he was also bit depressed and he told > > > his > > > > guru to do some remedy and he said he didn't want > > > to > > > > die at such a young age. So, his guru did Tapa for > > > > Lord Brahama (who creates destiny), so Brahma Ji > > > came > > > > and told them, it's not possible for him to > > > increase > > > > the life for that guy. What he has written is > > > fixed. > > > > But they (guy and guru) were adamant, so Brahma Ji > > > > suggested them, they all should go to Lord Vishnu. > > > So > > > > all three (Brahma Ji, Guru, and guy) went to lord > > > > vishnu. He too expressed that it is not possible > > > for > > > > him also to increase the life span and suggested > > > that > > > > Lord Shiva may help as he is the one who looks > > > after > > > > destruction etc. So all four (Brahma Ji, Vishnu > > > Ji, > > > > Guru and guy) went to Lord Shiva. As soon as they > > > > reached near lord shiva, just then a big Rock fell > > > > from the mountain on the boy and the boy died. > > > > > > > > The guru felt very bad and said, I have been > > > trying to > > > > save his life but still you cannot do anything. > > > You > > > > are supreme, so how all this happened, kindly > > > explain? > > > > Lord Shiva asked the Guru to turn the Stone. Guru > > > ji > > > > did that and found what was written on the stone. > > > > > > > > "The day, when Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh (shiva), > > > guru > > > > of this guy and the guy himself will all be > > > present > > > > together, only then death can come to this person > > > > otherwise not" > > > > > > > > So, I hope, I have cleared my point and answered > > > your > > > > question. > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > --- Shripal <askvbnet> wrote: > > > > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we > > > talk > > > > > about > > > > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart > > > of > > > > > spouse is good. > > > > > > > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of > > > a > > > > > person. > > > > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we > > > able > > > > > to really come close to any person's fate.using > > > > > astrology > > > > > how actually we can come close to person's fate. > > > > > > > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his > > > future > > > > > and > > > > > can make a business a very success.How this > > > things > > > > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove > > > the > > > > > ill > > > > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper > > > matching?How? > > > > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does > > > that > > > > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope? > > > > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than > > > how > > > > > will astrology help us to resolve such a > > > issues.Up > > > > > to > > > > > what extent. > > > > > > > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden > > > > > rule. > > > > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is > > > > > enough,however > > > > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon > > > > > chart > > > > > and try to find out how a person got such a > > > > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden > > > rule > > > > > to > > > > > follow. > > > > > > > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or > > > > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most > > > of > > > > > them > > > > > are intutive while predicting rather than being > > > > > predictive. > > > > > > > > > > What does all this really mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > ___ > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner > > > online. > > > > > http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > http://www.geocities.com/getdollar88 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > > > > > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > http://www.geocities.com/getdollar88 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Namaste Rohiniji, How are you? With good wishes... Inder In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Yes, Gita (Sri Krishna) also says that (desire not the fruit while > you water the tree of karma). > > Astrology, remedies begin to look so superficial, almost useless > when one reaches and can live that level of detached life. > > RR > > , "venkatarama_sastry" > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > Very interesting discussion. I straddle the fence in regards to > this > > issue :-). Yes, fate can be changed to a certain extent, for > certain > > people, under certain circumstances. And no, there are no > guarentees > > that it can be changed. > > > > It's almost as if every situation or person has certain "degrees > of > > freedom", within which they are free to change their fate with the > > approriate steps. Sometimes this degree of freedom tends to zero, > > other times it tends to infinity, and most times, its somewhere > > between the two extremes, i.e. there are certain elements you can > > change and certain others you cannot. > > > > Neeraj's advice is the best I've seen so far, "do the Karma and > > leave the result to God." Very well put. Not trying to better your > > circumstances with blind acceptance of anything that life dishes > out > > is not the answer, and neither is not knowing when to quit and > > accept things with good grace. :-) I am reminded of the old > Serenity > > prayer, "God give me the courage to change things I should change, > > the serenity to accept things I cannot change and the wisdom to > know > > the difference!" > > > > Venkatarama > > > > , Neeraj Gupta > > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > > > > Dear Manas Kumar, > > > > > > Remedies can lessen the effect of bad times to certain > > > extent or increase the effect of good times to certain > > > level and not everything can be covered by remedy. > > > Otherwise, no body would have any sufferings / pain > > > etc. Everybody will do remedial measure and live > > > peacefully. > > > > > > There are individuals who don't believe in fate / > > > astrology (i was one of them couple of years back). > > > Though karma is very important, what I realized in > > > last 4 years that we can work hard, we can plan, we > > > can think, we can act, do remedies, consulting and > > > whatsoever one can do, but still the ultimate result > > > is not in our hands. Do the karma and leave the result > > > to GOD. One or some other day (the time span may/might > > > be tooo long sometimes), we will get the result. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > --- Manas Kumar <manaskumar@h...> wrote: > > > > I can understand individuals having to go through > > > > bad times for > > > > reasons of karma, but what would be the purpose of > > > > remedies being > > > > destined also? Are you saying that 'remedies' serve > > > > as a payback of > > > > sorts and not antidotes as most consider them to be? > > > > This also makes > > > > sense in a weird sort of way because most remedies > > > > involve either > > > > expenses (that gives a lot of pain to most material > > > > creatures!) or > > > > through sitting in a fasting state through hours of > > > > poojas and homas > > > > and listening for hours to words that one does not > > > > understand. So, > > > > it is all about experiencing pain and denial (of > > > > comfort) and > > > > penance. > > > > > > > > Hmm ... hope I did not read too much between the > > > > lines, going way > > > > beyond what the author intended or even thought > > > > about! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Neeraj > > > > Gupta > > > > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > > > > Dear Shripal, > > > > > > > > > > No, fate cannot be changed. The destiny is fixed. > > > > Have > > > > > you seen all people going for remedial measures / > > > > > Yajnas / poojas mantras etc. > > > > > > > > > > Some or the other time, one has to go through bad > > > > > phase. Even the remedies that we do are destined. > > > > > Generally they are blessing of Shri Vishnu or > > > > Jupiter > > > > > (guru-> note here guru is guiding you, he can be > > > > > anyone, your family member, astrologer, priest or > > > > > somebody else) will be aspecting that house or is > > > > > related in some way or another. > > > > > > > > > > This reminds of one old story. There was a guy > > > > long > > > > > back when people used to go to gurukul for taking > > > > > education. So, this guy was very intelligent and > > > > his > > > > > guru was impressed with him. One day his guru saw > > > > his > > > > > chart and found that his age is very less. He told > > > > to > > > > > the boy and he was also bit depressed and he told > > > > his > > > > > guru to do some remedy and he said he didn't want > > > > to > > > > > die at such a young age. So, his guru did Tapa for > > > > > Lord Brahama (who creates destiny), so Brahma Ji > > > > came > > > > > and told them, it's not possible for him to > > > > increase > > > > > the life for that guy. What he has written is > > > > fixed. > > > > > But they (guy and guru) were adamant, so Brahma Ji > > > > > suggested them, they all should go to Lord Vishnu. > > > > So > > > > > all three (Brahma Ji, Guru, and guy) went to lord > > > > > vishnu. He too expressed that it is not possible > > > > for > > > > > him also to increase the life span and suggested > > > > that > > > > > Lord Shiva may help as he is the one who looks > > > > after > > > > > destruction etc. So all four (Brahma Ji, Vishnu > > > > Ji, > > > > > Guru and guy) went to Lord Shiva. As soon as they > > > > > reached near lord shiva, just then a big Rock fell > > > > > from the mountain on the boy and the boy died. > > > > > > > > > > The guru felt very bad and said, I have been > > > > trying to > > > > > save his life but still you cannot do anything. > > > > You > > > > > are supreme, so how all this happened, kindly > > > > explain? > > > > > Lord Shiva asked the Guru to turn the Stone. Guru > > > > ji > > > > > did that and found what was written on the stone. > > > > > > > > > > "The day, when Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh (shiva), > > > > guru > > > > > of this guy and the guy himself will all be > > > > present > > > > > together, only then death can come to this person > > > > > otherwise not" > > > > > > > > > > So, I hope, I have cleared my point and answered > > > > your > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > > --- Shripal <askvbnet> wrote: > > > > > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we > > > > talk > > > > > > about > > > > > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart > > > > of > > > > > > spouse is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of > > > > a > > > > > > person. > > > > > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we > > > > able > > > > > > to really come close to any person's fate.using > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > how actually we can come close to person's fate. > > > > > > > > > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his > > > > future > > > > > > and > > > > > > can make a business a very success.How this > > > > things > > > > > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove > > > > the > > > > > > ill > > > > > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper > > > > matching?How? > > > > > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does > > > > that > > > > > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope? > > > > > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than > > > > how > > > > > > will astrology help us to resolve such a > > > > issues.Up > > > > > > to > > > > > > what extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden > > > > > > rule. > > > > > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is > > > > > > enough,however > > > > > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon > > > > > > chart > > > > > > and try to find out how a person got such a > > > > > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden > > > > rule > > > > > > to > > > > > > follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or > > > > > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most > > > > of > > > > > > them > > > > > > are intutive while predicting rather than being > > > > > > predictive. > > > > > > > > > > > > What does all this really mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > ___ > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner > > > > online. > > > > > > http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/getdollar88 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > > > > > > > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > http://www.geocities.com/getdollar88 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 Dear Shripal ji, Here's a story which may help you in finding the answer of your question... One day Guru Ramdas was sitting with a pandit (jyotishi). Suddenly a young man came riding on a horse and took blessings of Guru Ramdas. He was going for a battle. The Guru gave his blessings. After the young man left, the Guru asked the Jyotishi to cast his chart and predict his future. Being a great Jyotishi he was, the astrologer prepared the young man's chart and predicted that he is going to die today. Guru smiled and immersed in deep meditation of Lord Rama. In the evening the young man came back, deeply wounded but very much alive. Guru asked the astrologer to recast his chart. The astrologer was shaken to his core when he saw that now the chart is telling a different story. He prostrated before the Guru and said that you are "Samarth" in changing the fate. Henceforth you will be called Samarth Guru Ramdas. The young man was none other than Shivaji. This story tells us that there are higher powers in play which can change the fate...... Savitri was able to reverse fate to bring her husband back from the clutches of Yama himself. Hope this helps... Respectfully, Arun , Shripal <askvbnet> wrote: > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we talk > about > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart of > spouse is good. > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of a > person. > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we able > to really come close to any person's fate.using > astrology > how actually we can come close to person's fate. > > People using muhurtha can really change his future and > can make a business a very success.How this things > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove the ill > effect of 7th house by doing a proper matching?How? > If in one accident many lives are taken, does that > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope? > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than how > will astrology help us to resolve such a issues.Up to > what extent. > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden rule. > sometimes for them only lagna chart is enough,however > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon chart > and try to find out how a person got such a > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden rule to > follow. > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most of them > are intutive while predicting rather than being > predictive. > > What does all this really mean? > > > > ___________________ ___ > India Matrimony: Find your partner online. http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 Mr. Vohra, greetings! I am well, thanks for asking. RR , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Namaste Rohiniji, > How are you? > With good wishes... > Inder > > > In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Yes, Gita (Sri Krishna) also says that (desire not the fruit while > > you water the tree of karma). > > > > Astrology, remedies begin to look so superficial, almost useless > > when one reaches and can live that level of detached life. > > > > RR > > > > , "venkatarama_sastry" > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > Very interesting discussion. I straddle the fence in regards to > > this > > > issue :-). Yes, fate can be changed to a certain extent, for > > certain > > > people, under certain circumstances. And no, there are no > > guarentees > > > that it can be changed. > > > > > > It's almost as if every situation or person has certain "degrees > > of > > > freedom", within which they are free to change their fate with > the > > > approriate steps. Sometimes this degree of freedom tends to > zero, > > > other times it tends to infinity, and most times, its somewhere > > > between the two extremes, i.e. there are certain elements you > can > > > change and certain others you cannot. > > > > > > Neeraj's advice is the best I've seen so far, "do the Karma and > > > leave the result to God." Very well put. Not trying to better > your > > > circumstances with blind acceptance of anything that life dishes > > out > > > is not the answer, and neither is not knowing when to quit and > > > accept things with good grace. :-) I am reminded of the old > > Serenity > > > prayer, "God give me the courage to change things I should > change, > > > the serenity to accept things I cannot change and the wisdom to > > know > > > the difference!" > > > > > > Venkatarama > > > > > > , Neeraj Gupta > > > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > > > > > > Dear Manas Kumar, > > > > > > > > Remedies can lessen the effect of bad times to certain > > > > extent or increase the effect of good times to certain > > > > level and not everything can be covered by remedy. > > > > Otherwise, no body would have any sufferings / pain > > > > etc. Everybody will do remedial measure and live > > > > peacefully. > > > > > > > > There are individuals who don't believe in fate / > > > > astrology (i was one of them couple of years back). > > > > Though karma is very important, what I realized in > > > > last 4 years that we can work hard, we can plan, we > > > > can think, we can act, do remedies, consulting and > > > > whatsoever one can do, but still the ultimate result > > > > is not in our hands. Do the karma and leave the result > > > > to GOD. One or some other day (the time span may/might > > > > be tooo long sometimes), we will get the result. > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > --- Manas Kumar <manaskumar@h...> wrote: > > > > > I can understand individuals having to go through > > > > > bad times for > > > > > reasons of karma, but what would be the purpose of > > > > > remedies being > > > > > destined also? Are you saying that 'remedies' serve > > > > > as a payback of > > > > > sorts and not antidotes as most consider them to be? > > > > > This also makes > > > > > sense in a weird sort of way because most remedies > > > > > involve either > > > > > expenses (that gives a lot of pain to most material > > > > > creatures!) or > > > > > through sitting in a fasting state through hours of > > > > > poojas and homas > > > > > and listening for hours to words that one does not > > > > > understand. So, > > > > > it is all about experiencing pain and denial (of > > > > > comfort) and > > > > > penance. > > > > > > > > > > Hmm ... hope I did not read too much between the > > > > > lines, going way > > > > > beyond what the author intended or even thought > > > > > about! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Neeraj > > > > > Gupta > > > > > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shripal, > > > > > > > > > > > > No, fate cannot be changed. The destiny is fixed. > > > > > Have > > > > > > you seen all people going for remedial measures / > > > > > > Yajnas / poojas mantras etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some or the other time, one has to go through bad > > > > > > phase. Even the remedies that we do are destined. > > > > > > Generally they are blessing of Shri Vishnu or > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > (guru-> note here guru is guiding you, he can be > > > > > > anyone, your family member, astrologer, priest or > > > > > > somebody else) will be aspecting that house or is > > > > > > related in some way or another. > > > > > > > > > > > > This reminds of one old story. There was a guy > > > > > long > > > > > > back when people used to go to gurukul for taking > > > > > > education. So, this guy was very intelligent and > > > > > his > > > > > > guru was impressed with him. One day his guru saw > > > > > his > > > > > > chart and found that his age is very less. He told > > > > > to > > > > > > the boy and he was also bit depressed and he told > > > > > his > > > > > > guru to do some remedy and he said he didn't want > > > > > to > > > > > > die at such a young age. So, his guru did Tapa for > > > > > > Lord Brahama (who creates destiny), so Brahma Ji > > > > > came > > > > > > and told them, it's not possible for him to > > > > > increase > > > > > > the life for that guy. What he has written is > > > > > fixed. > > > > > > But they (guy and guru) were adamant, so Brahma Ji > > > > > > suggested them, they all should go to Lord Vishnu. > > > > > So > > > > > > all three (Brahma Ji, Guru, and guy) went to lord > > > > > > vishnu. He too expressed that it is not possible > > > > > for > > > > > > him also to increase the life span and suggested > > > > > that > > > > > > Lord Shiva may help as he is the one who looks > > > > > after > > > > > > destruction etc. So all four (Brahma Ji, Vishnu > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > Guru and guy) went to Lord Shiva. As soon as they > > > > > > reached near lord shiva, just then a big Rock fell > > > > > > from the mountain on the boy and the boy died. > > > > > > > > > > > > The guru felt very bad and said, I have been > > > > > trying to > > > > > > save his life but still you cannot do anything. > > > > > You > > > > > > are supreme, so how all this happened, kindly > > > > > explain? > > > > > > Lord Shiva asked the Guru to turn the Stone. Guru > > > > > ji > > > > > > did that and found what was written on the stone. > > > > > > > > > > > > "The day, when Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh (shiva), > > > > > guru > > > > > > of this guy and the guy himself will all be > > > > > present > > > > > > together, only then death can come to this person > > > > > > otherwise not" > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I hope, I have cleared my point and answered > > > > > your > > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > > > --- Shripal <askvbnet> wrote: > > > > > > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we > > > > > talk > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart > > > > > of > > > > > > > spouse is good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of > > > > > a > > > > > > > person. > > > > > > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we > > > > > able > > > > > > > to really come close to any person's fate.using > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > how actually we can come close to person's fate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his > > > > > future > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > can make a business a very success.How this > > > > > things > > > > > > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove > > > > > the > > > > > > > ill > > > > > > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper > > > > > matching?How? > > > > > > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does > > > > > that > > > > > > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope? > > > > > > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than > > > > > how > > > > > > > will astrology help us to resolve such a > > > > > issues.Up > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > what extent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden > > > > > > > rule. > > > > > > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is > > > > > > > enough,however > > > > > > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > and try to find out how a person got such a > > > > > > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden > > > > > rule > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > follow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or > > > > > > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most > > > > > of > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > are intutive while predicting rather than being > > > > > > > predictive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does all this really mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner > > > > > online. > > > > > > > http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/getdollar88 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > > > > > > > > > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > http://www.geocities.com/getdollar88 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 This posting is giving me a lot of trouble! Trying it a third time! Speaking of "higher powers" I have a few recent anecdotes to share in that vein: Several years ago when I started using jyotish software, I was quite amazed (unpleasantly) at the gross errors in shadbala etc that the software had.On switching to a software that came with a famous jyotishi's endorsement, I was shocked to see similar errors though in a different areas. Then a fourth software showed another interesting problem. The atlas readings in some cases were grossly wrong and could lead to wrong charts. Also it had a feature for transferring individual charts into a group file. During the transfer, the software would change the ist from 5:30 to 5:00. I discovered that the hard way! Luckily I was not charging money for those readings! Versions change and what was working before suddenly gets an error, hence am queasey about upgrades too. , "asharm_ind" <asharm_ind> wrote: > Dear Shripal ji, > > Here's a story which may help you in finding the answer of your > question... > > One day Guru Ramdas was sitting with a pandit (jyotishi). Suddenly a > young man came riding on a horse and took blessings of Guru Ramdas. > He was going for a battle. The Guru gave his blessings. > > After the young man left, the Guru asked the Jyotishi to cast his > chart and predict his future. Being a great Jyotishi he was, the > astrologer prepared the young man's chart and predicted that he is > going to die today. > > Guru smiled and immersed in deep meditation of Lord Rama. In the > evening the young man came back, deeply wounded but very much alive. > > Guru asked the astrologer to recast his chart. The astrologer was > shaken to his core when he saw that now the chart is telling a > different story. He prostrated before the Guru and said that you > are "Samarth" in changing the fate. Henceforth you will be called > Samarth Guru Ramdas. > > The young man was none other than Shivaji. > > This story tells us that there are higher powers in play which can > change the fate...... > > Savitri was able to reverse fate to bring her husband back from the > clutches of Yama himself. > > Hope this helps... > > Respectfully, > Arun > , Shripal <askvbnet> > wrote: > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we talk > > about > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart of > > spouse is good. > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of a > > person. > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we able > > to really come close to any person's fate.using > > astrology > > how actually we can come close to person's fate. > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his future and > > can make a business a very success.How this things > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove the ill > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper matching?How? > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does that > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope? > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than how > > will astrology help us to resolve such a issues.Up to > > what extent. > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden rule. > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is enough,however > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon chart > > and try to find out how a person got such a > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden rule to > > follow. > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most of them > > are intutive while predicting rather than being > > predictive. > > > > What does all this really mean? > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > ___ > > India Matrimony: Find your partner online. > http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 > This story tells us that there are higher powers in play which can > change the fate...... Supreme Shiva always remains supremely serene, quiet and still. The Shakti that vibrates from Him does all the playing. Om Tat Sat. --Sanjay Aggarwal , "asharm_ind" <asharm_ind> wrote: > Dear Shripal ji, > > Here's a story which may help you in finding the answer of your > question... > > One day Guru Ramdas was sitting with a pandit (jyotishi). Suddenly a > young man came riding on a horse and took blessings of Guru Ramdas. > He was going for a battle. The Guru gave his blessings. > > After the young man left, the Guru asked the Jyotishi to cast his > chart and predict his future. Being a great Jyotishi he was, the > astrologer prepared the young man's chart and predicted that he is > going to die today. > > Guru smiled and immersed in deep meditation of Lord Rama. In the > evening the young man came back, deeply wounded but very much alive. > > Guru asked the astrologer to recast his chart. The astrologer was > shaken to his core when he saw that now the chart is telling a > different story. He prostrated before the Guru and said that you > are "Samarth" in changing the fate. Henceforth you will be called > Samarth Guru Ramdas. > > The young man was none other than Shivaji. > > This story tells us that there are higher powers in play which can > change the fate...... > > Savitri was able to reverse fate to bring her husband back from the > clutches of Yama himself. > > Hope this helps... > > Respectfully, > Arun > , Shripal <askvbnet> > wrote: > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we talk > > about > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart of > > spouse is good. > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of a > > person. > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we able > > to really come close to any person's fate.using > > astrology > > how actually we can come close to person's fate. > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his future and > > can make a business a very success.How this things > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove the ill > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper matching?How? > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does that > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope? > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than how > > will astrology help us to resolve such a issues.Up to > > what extent. > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden rule. > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is enough,however > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon chart > > and try to find out how a person got such a > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden rule to > > follow. > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most of them > > are intutive while predicting rather than being > > predictive. > > > > What does all this really mean? > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > ___ > > India Matrimony: Find your partner online. > http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Hello Rohini, I remember reading a few of your articles on a web site regarding Retrograde effect of planets .. I remember being impressed by them then ! (forgive me if I am jumbling u with someone else) Good comments those .. I was curious to know if you have a step wise procedure or rather a checklist of what you look at when you go about analyzing a horoscope? --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > This posting is giving me a lot of trouble! Trying > it a third time! > > Speaking of "higher powers" I have a few recent > anecdotes to share > in that vein: > > Several years ago when I started using jyotish > software, I was quite > amazed (unpleasantly) at the gross errors in > shadbala etc that the > software had.On switching to a software that came > with a famous > jyotishi's endorsement, I was shocked to see similar > errors though > in a different areas. > > Then a fourth software showed another interesting > problem. The atlas > readings in some cases were grossly wrong and could > lead to wrong > charts. Also it had a feature for transferring > individual charts > into a group file. During the transfer, the software > would change > the ist from 5:30 to 5:00. I discovered that the > hard way! Luckily I > was not charging money for those readings! > > Versions change and what was working before suddenly > gets an error, > hence am queasey about upgrades too. > > > , > "asharm_ind" > <asharm_ind> wrote: > > Dear Shripal ji, > > > > Here's a story which may help you in finding the > answer of your > > question... > > > > One day Guru Ramdas was sitting with a pandit > (jyotishi). Suddenly > a > > young man came riding on a horse and took > blessings of Guru Ramdas. > > He was going for a battle. The Guru gave his > blessings. > > > > After the young man left, the Guru asked the > Jyotishi to cast his > > chart and predict his future. Being a great > Jyotishi he was, the > > astrologer prepared the young man's chart and > predicted that he is > > going to die today. > > > > Guru smiled and immersed in deep meditation of > Lord Rama. In the > > evening the young man came back, deeply wounded > but very much > alive. > > > > Guru asked the astrologer to recast his chart. The > astrologer was > > shaken to his core when he saw that now the chart > is telling a > > different story. He prostrated before the Guru and > said that you > > are "Samarth" in changing the fate. Henceforth you > will be called > > Samarth Guru Ramdas. > > > > The young man was none other than Shivaji. > > > > This story tells us that there are higher powers > in play which can > > change the fate...... > > > > Savitri was able to reverse fate to bring her > husband back from > the > > clutches of Yama himself. > > > > Hope this helps... > > > > Respectfully, > > Arun > > , Shripal > <askvbnet> > > wrote: > > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we > talk > > > about > > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart > of > > > spouse is good. > > > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of > a > > > person. > > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we > able > > > to really come close to any person's fate.using > > > astrology > > > how actually we can come close to person's fate. > > > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his > future and > > > can make a business a very success.How this > things > > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove > the ill > > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper > matching?How? > > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does > that > > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope? > > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than > how > > > will astrology help us to resolve such a > issues.Up to > > > what extent. > > > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden > rule. > > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is > enough,however > > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon > chart > > > and try to find out how a person got such a > > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden > rule to > > > follow. > > > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or > > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most > of them > > > are intutive while predicting rather than being > > > predictive. > > > > > > What does all this really mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > ___ > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner > online. > > http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 My views: I hope I make sense atleast some people are able to relate to it. What's impossible is impossible... even if we try, it cannot happen. How much you feel for a particular thing to happen, if it's not possible,how can you make it happen? In certain cases, to try to make impossible happen may lead to destruction in some ways. Why do we have to get everything we want? Let a few things be the way they are. We have to accept what life offers us. Thank God for what you got . Is it not enough that at least you got something? Why has every paper to be stamped? Learn to give up. "..by dying you shall live" is a beautiful statement( by Sanjay Aggarwal). Do your duties and HAVE FAITH. Dont make much noise. Be silent and do your karma. I remember a few lines from a ghazal, 'jo jee chahe, woh mil jaaye, kab aisa hota hai har jeevan jeene ka samjhauta hota hai' and then as our JR quote is "what cannot happen can never happen which is mine is forever mine" Manoshi , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Hello Rohini, > > I remember reading a few of your articles on a web > site regarding Retrograde effect of planets .. I > remember being impressed by them then ! (forgive me if > I am jumbling u with someone else) > > Good comments those .. > > I was curious to know if you have a step wise > procedure or rather a checklist of what you look at > when you go about analyzing a horoscope? > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > This posting is giving me a lot of trouble! Trying > > it a third time! > > > > Speaking of "higher powers" I have a few recent > > anecdotes to share > > in that vein: > > > > Several years ago when I started using jyotish > > software, I was quite > > amazed (unpleasantly) at the gross errors in > > shadbala etc that the > > software had.On switching to a software that came > > with a famous > > jyotishi's endorsement, I was shocked to see similar > > errors though > > in a different areas. > > > > Then a fourth software showed another interesting > > problem. The atlas > > readings in some cases were grossly wrong and could > > lead to wrong > > charts. Also it had a feature for transferring > > individual charts > > into a group file. During the transfer, the software > > would change > > the ist from 5:30 to 5:00. I discovered that the > > hard way! Luckily I > > was not charging money for those readings! > > > > Versions change and what was working before suddenly > > gets an error, > > hence am queasey about upgrades too. > > > > > > , > > "asharm_ind" > > <asharm_ind> wrote: > > > Dear Shripal ji, > > > > > > Here's a story which may help you in finding the > > answer of your > > > question... > > > > > > One day Guru Ramdas was sitting with a pandit > > (jyotishi). Suddenly > > a > > > young man came riding on a horse and took > > blessings of Guru Ramdas. > > > He was going for a battle. The Guru gave his > > blessings. > > > > > > After the young man left, the Guru asked the > > Jyotishi to cast his > > > chart and predict his future. Being a great > > Jyotishi he was, the > > > astrologer prepared the young man's chart and > > predicted that he is > > > going to die today. > > > > > > Guru smiled and immersed in deep meditation of > > Lord Rama. In the > > > evening the young man came back, deeply wounded > > but very much > > alive. > > > > > > Guru asked the astrologer to recast his chart. The > > astrologer was > > > shaken to his core when he saw that now the chart > > is telling a > > > different story. He prostrated before the Guru and > > said that you > > > are "Samarth" in changing the fate. Henceforth you > > will be called > > > Samarth Guru Ramdas. > > > > > > The young man was none other than Shivaji. > > > > > > This story tells us that there are higher powers > > in play which can > > > change the fate...... > > > > > > Savitri was able to reverse fate to bring her > > husband back from > > the > > > clutches of Yama himself. > > > > > > Hope this helps... > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > Arun > > > , Shripal > > <askvbnet> > > > wrote: > > > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we > > talk > > > > about > > > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart > > of > > > > spouse is good. > > > > > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of > > a > > > > person. > > > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we > > able > > > > to really come close to any person's fate.using > > > > astrology > > > > how actually we can come close to person's fate. > > > > > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his > > future and > > > > can make a business a very success.How this > > things > > > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove > > the ill > > > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper > > matching?How? > > > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does > > that > > > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope? > > > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than > > how > > > > will astrology help us to resolve such a > > issues.Up to > > > > what extent. > > > > > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden > > rule. > > > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is > > enough,however > > > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon > > chart > > > > and try to find out how a person got such a > > > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden > > rule to > > > > follow. > > > > > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or > > > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most > > of them > > > > are intutive while predicting rather than being > > > > predictive. > > > > > > > > What does all this really mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > ___ > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner > > online. > > > http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Manoshi ji, What is impossible is impossible is true and often experienced by most individuals because they use a limited time frame. Usually the time frame is this lifetime. Cynics would say, "what other time frame is there a incontrovertible proof for?" BUT unless one has faith in there being a string of lives, and thus a time frame for karma and all that kind of stuff that extends beyond one lifetime, it becomes a child's reality. Some children are afraid that if they fall asleep they will never wake up. Over time, through many awakenings day after day, they begin to wean away from that fear. If only we could recall our other lifetimes, our fear of the permanence of the impossible and the craving for "if it is not achieved in this lifetime, it never will be" would wane away, just as all delusions and illusions of maya must! Rohiniranjan , "khallopapa" <khallopapa> wrote: > My views: > > I hope I make sense atleast some people are able to relate to it. > > What's impossible is impossible... even if we try, it cannot happen. > How much you feel for a particular thing to happen, if it's not > possible,how can you make it happen? In certain cases, to try to > make impossible happen may lead to destruction in some ways. Why do > we have to get everything we want? Let a few things be the way they > are. We have to accept what life offers us. Thank God for what you > got . Is it not enough that at least you got something? Why has > every paper to be stamped? Learn to give up. "..by dying you shall > live" is a beautiful statement( by Sanjay Aggarwal). Do your duties > and HAVE FAITH. Dont make much noise. Be silent and do your karma. > > I remember a few lines from a ghazal, > > 'jo jee chahe, woh mil jaaye, kab aisa hota hai > har jeevan jeene ka samjhauta hota hai' > > and then as our JR quote is > > "what cannot happen can never happen > which is mine is forever mine" > > Manoshi , surya vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Hello Rohini, > > > > I remember reading a few of your articles on a web > > site regarding Retrograde effect of planets .. I > > remember being impressed by them then ! (forgive me if > > I am jumbling u with someone else) > > > > Good comments those .. > > > > I was curious to know if you have a step wise > > procedure or rather a checklist of what you look at > > when you go about analyzing a horoscope? > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > This posting is giving me a lot of trouble! Trying > > > it a third time! > > > > > > Speaking of "higher powers" I have a few recent > > > anecdotes to share > > > in that vein: > > > > > > Several years ago when I started using jyotish > > > software, I was quite > > > amazed (unpleasantly) at the gross errors in > > > shadbala etc that the > > > software had.On switching to a software that came > > > with a famous > > > jyotishi's endorsement, I was shocked to see similar > > > errors though > > > in a different areas. > > > > > > Then a fourth software showed another interesting > > > problem. The atlas > > > readings in some cases were grossly wrong and could > > > lead to wrong > > > charts. Also it had a feature for transferring > > > individual charts > > > into a group file. During the transfer, the software > > > would change > > > the ist from 5:30 to 5:00. I discovered that the > > > hard way! Luckily I > > > was not charging money for those readings! > > > > > > Versions change and what was working before suddenly > > > gets an error, > > > hence am queasey about upgrades too. > > > > > > > > > , > > > "asharm_ind" > > > <asharm_ind> wrote: > > > > Dear Shripal ji, > > > > > > > > Here's a story which may help you in finding the > > > answer of your > > > > question... > > > > > > > > One day Guru Ramdas was sitting with a pandit > > > (jyotishi). Suddenly > > > a > > > > young man came riding on a horse and took > > > blessings of Guru Ramdas. > > > > He was going for a battle. The Guru gave his > > > blessings. > > > > > > > > After the young man left, the Guru asked the > > > Jyotishi to cast his > > > > chart and predict his future. Being a great > > > Jyotishi he was, the > > > > astrologer prepared the young man's chart and > > > predicted that he is > > > > going to die today. > > > > > > > > Guru smiled and immersed in deep meditation of > > > Lord Rama. In the > > > > evening the young man came back, deeply wounded > > > but very much > > > alive. > > > > > > > > Guru asked the astrologer to recast his chart. The > > > astrologer was > > > > shaken to his core when he saw that now the chart > > > is telling a > > > > different story. He prostrated before the Guru and > > > said that you > > > > are "Samarth" in changing the fate. Henceforth you > > > will be called > > > > Samarth Guru Ramdas. > > > > > > > > The young man was none other than Shivaji. > > > > > > > > This story tells us that there are higher powers > > > in play which can > > > > change the fate...... > > > > > > > > Savitri was able to reverse fate to bring her > > > husband back from > > > the > > > > clutches of Yama himself. > > > > > > > > Hope this helps... > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Arun > > > > , Shripal > > > <askvbnet> > > > > wrote: > > > > > We talk about muhurtha,prasan kundil.Even we > > > talk > > > > > about > > > > > malefic of one's chart can be nullified,if chart > > > of > > > > > spouse is good. > > > > > > > > > > Here a quetion is can we really change a fate of > > > a > > > > > person. > > > > > Or else if we say using a astrology can, are we > > > able > > > > > to really come close to any person's fate.using > > > > > astrology > > > > > how actually we can come close to person's fate. > > > > > > > > > > People using muhurtha can really change his > > > future and > > > > > can make a business a very success.How this > > > things > > > > > work is really a Question mark? Can we remove > > > the ill > > > > > effect of 7th house by doing a proper > > > matching?How? > > > > > If in one accident many lives are taken, does > > > that > > > > > indicate similarity in everyones horoscope? > > > > > Or that is a fate of each and every person,than > > > how > > > > > will astrology help us to resolve such a > > > issues.Up to > > > > > what extent. > > > > > > > > > > why all astrologer does not follow only a golden > > > rule. > > > > > sometimes for them only lagna chart is > > > enough,however > > > > > sometimes they go for navmasa or chalit or moon > > > chart > > > > > and try to find out how a person got such a > > > > > heights.Why some much,Why not a single golden > > > rule to > > > > > follow. > > > > > > > > > > Does this is really a puzzling situation,Or > > > > > I guess depending upon astrologer's chart,Most > > > of them > > > > > are intutive while predicting rather than being > > > > > predictive. > > > > > > > > > > What does all this really mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > ___ > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner > > > online. > > > > http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Thanks for your kind notice and words of encouragement. If such a simple list for analysing charts existed that could be scrunched into an email message, no one would have been happier to share it, than I! , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Hello Rohini, > > I remember reading a few of your articles on a web > site regarding Retrograde effect of planets .. I > remember being impressed by them then ! (forgive me if > I am jumbling u with someone else) > > Good comments those .. > > I was curious to know if you have a step wise > procedure or rather a checklist of what you look at > when you go about analyzing a horoscope? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Hmm I guess you are right .. But I believe every astrologer has his own way of approaching a horoscope ... some rules of thumbs he uses ... some things that you know with repeated experiences ... I was just curious to know ... Again this is just for my learning ... --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > Thanks for your kind notice and words of > encouragement. > > If such a simple list for analysing charts existed > that could be > scrunched into an email message, no one would have > been happier to > share it, than I! > > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Hello Rohini, > > > > I remember reading a few of your articles on a web > > site regarding Retrograde effect of planets .. I > > remember being impressed by them then ! (forgive > me if > > I am jumbling u with someone else) > > > > Good comments those .. > > > > I was curious to know if you have a step wise > > procedure or rather a checklist of what you look > at > > when you go about analyzing a horoscope? > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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