Divine Love......Vivekananda----> Inder

[Guest guest]

Dear Inder,

 

Was the posting too long to read ?...kidding ;-)

 

I think I know what you are trying to say.I am not an expert but

from my experience [ five years of marriage now..if you mean that

love :-) ] I can only say that,

 

LOVE has to be FELT. TRUE LOVE doesnt make much NOISE, it's SILENT.

TRUE LOVE never becomes PAST, it's always PRESENT (...in the heart

of a person) whatever be the circumstances. I admire those widows

who spend their whole life in the memory of their beloved.

 

I hope you experience true love very soon and the next posting on

LOVE comes from you....who knows ;-)

 

regards

 

Manoshi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "indervohra2001"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

> Dear Manoshi,

> I have a very simple confusion about love which I am never able to

> resolve. That is :

> What is LOVE ?

>

> Inder

>

> - In , "khallopapa"

> <khallopapa> wrote:

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > I read it and found it very meaningfuL and just....wonderful.

> >

> > "[Love may be symbolised by a triangle. The first angle is,] love

> > questions not. It is not a BEGGAR. . . . Beggar's love is no

love

> at

> > all. The first sign of love is when love ASKS NOTHING, [when it]

> > gives everything. This is the real spiritual worship, the worship

> > through love. Whether God is merciful is no longer questioned.

He

> is

> > God; He is my love. Whether God is omnipotent and almighty,

limited

> > or unlimited, is no longer questioned. If He distributes good,

all

> > right; if He brings evil, what does it matter? All other

attributes

> > vanish except that one — infinite love"

> >

> > "Love never asks; it always gives. . . . When a young man goes

to

> see

> > his sweetheart, . . . there is no business relationship between

> > them; theirs is a relationship of love, and love is no beggar.

[in

> > the same way], we understand that the beginning of real spiritual

> > worship means no begging. We have finished all begging: "Lord,

give

> > me this and that." Then will religion begin."

> >

> > "The second [angle of the triangle of love] is that love knows no

> > fear. You may cut me to pieces, and I [will] still love you."

> >

> > "The third [angle of the love-triangle is that] love is its own

> end.

> > It can never be the means. The man who says, "I love you for such

> > and such a thing", does not love. Love can never be the means; it

> > must be the perfect end. What is the end and aim of love? To love

> > God, that is all. Why should one love God? [There is] no why,

> > because it is not the means. When one can love, that is

salvation,

> > that is perfection, that is heaven. What more? What else can be

the

> > end? What can you have higher than love?"

> >

> > "The question was asked: How to worship? Worship Him as dearer

than

> > all your possessions, dearer than all your relatives, [dearer

than]

> > your children. [Worship Him as] the one you love as Love itself.

> > There is one whose name is infinite Love. That is the only

> > definition of God. Do not care if this . . . universe is

destroyed.

> > What do we care as long as He is infinite love? [Do you see what

> > worship means? All other thoughts must go. Everything must vanish

> > except God. "

> >

> >

> >

> > If you want to read the full lecture go to

> >

> >

>

http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_6/vol_6_fra

> > me.htm

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Manoshi

[Guest guest]

The confusion I have is like this;

Suppose a widow is spending her life remembering her diseased

husband.

Suddenly a man comes in her life, and she starts loving him.

Will this love be called un-divine ?

Or Meeta loves Arun, and after sometimes, she madly falls in love

with Sandeep. Will this love be un-divine.

May be a bit immature but can we call this love of Meeta

lust/infatiuation etc.

Or phisical attraction between apposite sexes and divine love are

two different things.

Inder

 

 

-- In , "khallopapa"

<khallopapa> wrote:

> Dear Inder,

>

> Was the posting too long to read ?...kidding ;-)

>

> I think I know what you are trying to say.I am not an expert but

> from my experience [ five years of marriage now..if you mean that

> love :-) ] I can only say that,

>

> LOVE has to be FELT. TRUE LOVE doesnt make much NOISE, it's

SILENT.

> TRUE LOVE never becomes PAST, it's always PRESENT (...in the heart

> of a person) whatever be the circumstances. I admire those widows

> who spend their whole life in the memory of their beloved.

>

> I hope you experience true love very soon and the next posting on

> LOVE comes from you....who knows ;-)

>

> regards

>

> Manoshi

>

, "indervohra2001"

> <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > Dear Manoshi,

> > I have a very simple confusion about love which I am never able

to

> > resolve. That is :

> > What is LOVE ?

> >

> > Inder

> >

> > - In , "khallopapa"

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > I read it and found it very meaningfuL and just....wonderful.

> > >

> > > "[Love may be symbolised by a triangle. The first angle is,]

love

> > > questions not. It is not a BEGGAR. . . . Beggar's love is no

> love

> > at

> > > all. The first sign of love is when love ASKS NOTHING, [when

it]

> > > gives everything. This is the real spiritual worship, the

worship

> > > through love. Whether God is merciful is no longer questioned.

> He

> > is

> > > God; He is my love. Whether God is omnipotent and almighty,

> limited

> > > or unlimited, is no longer questioned. If He distributes good,

> all

> > > right; if He brings evil, what does it matter? All other

> attributes

> > > vanish except that one — infinite love"

> > >

> > > "Love never asks; it always gives. . . . When a young man goes

> to

> > see

> > > his sweetheart, . . . there is no business relationship between

> > > them; theirs is a relationship of love, and love is no beggar.

> [in

> > > the same way], we understand that the beginning of real

spiritual

> > > worship means no begging. We have finished all begging: "Lord,

> give

> > > me this and that." Then will religion begin."

> > >

> > > "The second [angle of the triangle of love] is that love knows

no

> > > fear. You may cut me to pieces, and I [will] still love you."

> > >

> > > "The third [angle of the love-triangle is that] love is its

own

> > end.

> > > It can never be the means. The man who says, "I love you for

such

> > > and such a thing", does not love. Love can never be the means;

it

> > > must be the perfect end. What is the end and aim of love? To

love

> > > God, that is all. Why should one love God? [There is] no why,

> > > because it is not the means. When one can love, that is

> salvation,

> > > that is perfection, that is heaven. What more? What else can

be

> the

> > > end? What can you have higher than love?"

> > >

> > > "The question was asked: How to worship? Worship Him as dearer

> than

> > > all your possessions, dearer than all your relatives, [dearer

> than]

> > > your children. [Worship Him as] the one you love as Love

itself.

> > > There is one whose name is infinite Love. That is the only

> > > definition of God. Do not care if this . . . universe is

> destroyed.

> > > What do we care as long as He is infinite love? [Do you see

what

> > > worship means? All other thoughts must go. Everything must

vanish

> > > except God. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > If you want to read the full lecture go to

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_6/vol_6_fra

> > > me.htm

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Manoshi

[Guest guest]

Dear Inder,

 

TRUE LOVE never becomes PAST, it's always PRESENT (...in the heart

of a person) whatever be the circumstances.

Frankly, in this world, it's very rare and hard to get such divine

love eithout expectations and without any attachment. You sometimes

may misjudge people too.

I think that gives the answer.

 

But as our JR quote is

 

what cannot happen can never happen...which is mine is forever

mine :-)

 

I will post the birth details of the MS patient very soon...have to

rush now.

 

regards

 

Manoshi

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "indervohra2001"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

> The confusion I have is like this;

> Suppose a widow is spending her life remembering her diseased

> husband.

> Suddenly a man comes in her life, and she starts loving him.

> Will this love be called un-divine ?

> Or Meeta loves Arun, and after sometimes, she madly falls in love

> with Sandeep. Will this love be un-divine.

> May be a bit immature but can we call this love of Meeta

> lust/infatiuation etc.

> Or phisical attraction between apposite sexes and divine love are

> two different things.

> Inder

>

>

> -- In , "khallopapa"

> <khallopapa> wrote:

> > Dear Inder,

> >

> > Was the posting too long to read ?...kidding ;-)

> >

> > I think I know what you are trying to say.I am not an expert but

> > from my experience [ five years of marriage now..if you mean

that

> > love :-) ] I can only say that,

> >

> > LOVE has to be FELT. TRUE LOVE doesnt make much NOISE, it's

> SILENT.

> > TRUE LOVE never becomes PAST, it's always PRESENT (...in the

heart

> > of a person) whatever be the circumstances. I admire those

widows

> > who spend their whole life in the memory of their beloved.

> >

> > I hope you experience true love very soon and the next posting

on

> > LOVE comes from you....who knows ;-)

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Manoshi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "indervohra2001"

> > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > Dear Manoshi,

> > > I have a very simple confusion about love which I am never

able

> to

> > > resolve. That is :

> > > What is LOVE ?

> > >

> > > Inder

> > >

> > > - In , "khallopapa"

> > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > I read it and found it very meaningfuL and just....wonderful.

> > > >

> > > > "[Love may be symbolised by a triangle. The first angle is,]

> love

> > > > questions not. It is not a BEGGAR. . . . Beggar's love is no

> > love

> > > at

> > > > all. The first sign of love is when love ASKS NOTHING, [when

> it]

> > > > gives everything. This is the real spiritual worship, the

> worship

> > > > through love. Whether God is merciful is no longer

questioned.

> > He

> > > is

> > > > God; He is my love. Whether God is omnipotent and almighty,

> > limited

> > > > or unlimited, is no longer questioned. If He distributes

good,

> > all

> > > > right; if He brings evil, what does it matter? All other

> > attributes

> > > > vanish except that one — infinite love"

> > > >

> > > > "Love never asks; it always gives. . . . When a young man

goes

> > to

> > > see

> > > > his sweetheart, . . . there is no business relationship

between

> > > > them; theirs is a relationship of love, and love is no

beggar.

> > [in

> > > > the same way], we understand that the beginning of real

> spiritual

> > > > worship means no begging. We have finished all

begging: "Lord,

> > give

> > > > me this and that." Then will religion begin."

> > > >

> > > > "The second [angle of the triangle of love] is that love

knows

> no

> > > > fear. You may cut me to pieces, and I [will] still love you."

> > > >

> > > > "The third [angle of the love-triangle is that] love is its

> own

> > > end.

> > > > It can never be the means. The man who says, "I love you for

> such

> > > > and such a thing", does not love. Love can never be the

means;

> it

> > > > must be the perfect end. What is the end and aim of love? To

> love

> > > > God, that is all. Why should one love God? [There is] no why,

> > > > because it is not the means. When one can love, that is

> > salvation,

> > > > that is perfection, that is heaven. What more? What else can

> be

> > the

> > > > end? What can you have higher than love?"

> > > >

> > > > "The question was asked: How to worship? Worship Him as

dearer

> > than

> > > > all your possessions, dearer than all your relatives,

[dearer

> > than]

> > > > your children. [Worship Him as] the one you love as Love

> itself.

> > > > There is one whose name is infinite Love. That is the only

> > > > definition of God. Do not care if this . . . universe is

> > destroyed.

> > > > What do we care as long as He is infinite love? [Do you see

> what

> > > > worship means? All other thoughts must go. Everything must

> vanish

> > > > except God. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > If you want to read the full lecture go to

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_6/vol_6_fra

> > > > me.htm

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi

[Guest guest]

That means dear, that Meeta loving two boys can not be called as

love.( Meeta is virtualy mad for sandeep as she was earlier for

Arun).

The love you mean is perhaps devotion towards humanity etc or

something like that ?

Inder

 

-- In , "khallopapa"

<khallopapa> wrote:

> Dear Inder,

>

> TRUE LOVE never becomes PAST, it's always PRESENT (...in the heart

> of a person) whatever be the circumstances.

> Frankly, in this world, it's very rare and hard to get such divine

> love eithout expectations and without any attachment. You

sometimes

> may misjudge people too.

> I think that gives the answer.

>

> But as our JR quote is

>

> what cannot happen can never happen...which is mine is forever

> mine :-)

>

> I will post the birth details of the MS patient very soon...have

to

> rush now.

>

> regards

>

> Manoshi

, "indervohra2001"

> <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > The confusion I have is like this;

> > Suppose a widow is spending her life remembering her diseased

> > husband.

> > Suddenly a man comes in her life, and she starts loving him.

> > Will this love be called un-divine ?

> > Or Meeta loves Arun, and after sometimes, she madly falls in

love

> > with Sandeep. Will this love be un-divine.

> > May be a bit immature but can we call this love of Meeta

> > lust/infatiuation etc.

> > Or phisical attraction between apposite sexes and divine love

are

> > two different things.

> > Inder

> >

> >

> > -- In , "khallopapa"

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > Dear Inder,

> > >

> > > Was the posting too long to read ?...kidding ;-)

> > >

> > > I think I know what you are trying to say.I am not an expert

but

> > > from my experience [ five years of marriage now..if you mean

> that

> > > love :-) ] I can only say that,

> > >

> > > LOVE has to be FELT. TRUE LOVE doesnt make much NOISE, it's

> > SILENT.

> > > TRUE LOVE never becomes PAST, it's always PRESENT (...in the

> heart

> > > of a person) whatever be the circumstances. I admire those

> widows

> > > who spend their whole life in the memory of their beloved.

> > >

> > > I hope you experience true love very soon and the next posting

> on

> > > LOVE comes from you....who knows ;-)

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Manoshi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "indervohra2001"

> > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > Dear Manoshi,

> > > > I have a very simple confusion about love which I am never

> able

> > to

> > > > resolve. That is :

> > > > What is LOVE ?

> > > >

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > - In , "khallopapa"

> > > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > I read it and found it very meaningfuL and

just....wonderful.

> > > > >

> > > > > "[Love may be symbolised by a triangle. The first angle

is,]

> > love

> > > > > questions not. It is not a BEGGAR. . . . Beggar's love is

no

> > > love

> > > > at

> > > > > all. The first sign of love is when love ASKS NOTHING,

[when

> > it]

> > > > > gives everything. This is the real spiritual worship, the

> > worship

> > > > > through love. Whether God is merciful is no longer

> questioned.

> > > He

> > > > is

> > > > > God; He is my love. Whether God is omnipotent and

almighty,

> > > limited

> > > > > or unlimited, is no longer questioned. If He distributes

> good,

> > > all

> > > > > right; if He brings evil, what does it matter? All other

> > > attributes

> > > > > vanish except that one — infinite love"

> > > > >

> > > > > "Love never asks; it always gives. . . . When a young man

> goes

> > > to

> > > > see

> > > > > his sweetheart, . . . there is no business relationship

> between

> > > > > them; theirs is a relationship of love, and love is no

> beggar.

> > > [in

> > > > > the same way], we understand that the beginning of real

> > spiritual

> > > > > worship means no begging. We have finished all

> begging: "Lord,

> > > give

> > > > > me this and that." Then will religion begin."

> > > > >

> > > > > "The second [angle of the triangle of love] is that love

> knows

> > no

> > > > > fear. You may cut me to pieces, and I [will] still love

you."

> > > > >

> > > > > "The third [angle of the love-triangle is that] love is

its

> > own

> > > > end.

> > > > > It can never be the means. The man who says, "I love you

for

> > such

> > > > > and such a thing", does not love. Love can never be the

> means;

> > it

> > > > > must be the perfect end. What is the end and aim of love?

To

> > love

> > > > > God, that is all. Why should one love God? [There is] no

why,

> > > > > because it is not the means. When one can love, that is

> > > salvation,

> > > > > that is perfection, that is heaven. What more? What else

can

> > be

> > > the

> > > > > end? What can you have higher than love?"

> > > > >

> > > > > "The question was asked: How to worship? Worship Him as

> dearer

> > > than

> > > > > all your possessions, dearer than all your relatives,

> [dearer

> > > than]

> > > > > your children. [Worship Him as] the one you love as Love

> > itself.

> > > > > There is one whose name is infinite Love. That is the only

> > > > > definition of God. Do not care if this . . . universe is

> > > destroyed.

> > > > > What do we care as long as He is infinite love? [Do you

see

> > what

> > > > > worship means? All other thoughts must go. Everything must

> > vanish

> > > > > except God. "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > If you want to read the full lecture go to

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_6/vol_6_fra

> > > > > me.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoshi

[Guest guest]

I guess Meeta has some problem ;-)Ask her, she would say she did not

love Sandeep so much as she does Arun now.

I still believe...true love though hard to find...does exist

somewhere...without expectations and attachment....very very rare.

Expressing, praising or singing songs to your so-called beloved dont

mean anything. To become mad for someone is so easy...to CONTROL and

remain detatched , to love but not be mad is where we can measure

the depth of love, I guess.

'Lose yrself in love' as they say but my opinion is love is

SILENT...it can bear a lot.

 

I hope I made sense.

 

Manoshi

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "indervohra2001"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

> That means dear, that Meeta loving two boys can not be called as

> love.( Meeta is virtualy mad for sandeep as she was earlier for

> Arun).

> The love you mean is perhaps devotion towards humanity etc or

> something like that ?

> Inder

>

> -- In , "khallopapa"

> <khallopapa> wrote:

> > Dear Inder,

> >

> > TRUE LOVE never becomes PAST, it's always PRESENT (...in the

heart

> > of a person) whatever be the circumstances.

> > Frankly, in this world, it's very rare and hard to get such

divine

> > love eithout expectations and without any attachment. You

> sometimes

> > may misjudge people too.

> > I think that gives the answer.

> >

> > But as our JR quote is

> >

> > what cannot happen can never happen...which is mine is forever

> > mine :-)

> >

> > I will post the birth details of the MS patient very soon...have

> to

> > rush now.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Manoshi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "indervohra2001"

> > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > The confusion I have is like this;

> > > Suppose a widow is spending her life remembering her diseased

> > > husband.

> > > Suddenly a man comes in her life, and she starts loving him.

> > > Will this love be called un-divine ?

> > > Or Meeta loves Arun, and after sometimes, she madly falls in

> love

> > > with Sandeep. Will this love be un-divine.

> > > May be a bit immature but can we call this love of Meeta

> > > lust/infatiuation etc.

> > > Or phisical attraction between apposite sexes and divine love

> are

> > > two different things.

> > > Inder

> > >

> > >

> > > -- In , "khallopapa"

> > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > Dear Inder,

> > > >

> > > > Was the posting too long to read ?...kidding ;-)

> > > >

> > > > I think I know what you are trying to say.I am not an expert

> but

> > > > from my experience [ five years of marriage now..if you mean

> > that

> > > > love :-) ] I can only say that,

> > > >

> > > > LOVE has to be FELT. TRUE LOVE doesnt make much NOISE, it's

> > > SILENT.

> > > > TRUE LOVE never becomes PAST, it's always PRESENT (...in the

> > heart

> > > > of a person) whatever be the circumstances. I admire those

> > widows

> > > > who spend their whole life in the memory of their beloved.

> > > >

> > > > I hope you experience true love very soon and the next

posting

> > on

> > > > LOVE comes from you....who knows ;-)

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "indervohra2001"

> > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Manoshi,

> > > > > I have a very simple confusion about love which I am never

> > able

> > > to

> > > > > resolve. That is :

> > > > > What is LOVE ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Inder

> > > > >

> > > > > - In , "khallopapa"

> > > > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I read it and found it very meaningfuL and

> just....wonderful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "[Love may be symbolised by a triangle. The first angle

> is,]

> > > love

> > > > > > questions not. It is not a BEGGAR. . . . Beggar's love

is

> no

> > > > love

> > > > > at

> > > > > > all. The first sign of love is when love ASKS NOTHING,

> [when

> > > it]

> > > > > > gives everything. This is the real spiritual worship,

the

> > > worship

> > > > > > through love. Whether God is merciful is no longer

> > questioned.

> > > > He

> > > > > is

> > > > > > God; He is my love. Whether God is omnipotent and

> almighty,

> > > > limited

> > > > > > or unlimited, is no longer questioned. If He distributes

> > good,

> > > > all

> > > > > > right; if He brings evil, what does it matter? All other

> > > > attributes

> > > > > > vanish except that one — infinite love"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Love never asks; it always gives. . . . When a young

man

> > goes

> > > > to

> > > > > see

> > > > > > his sweetheart, . . . there is no business relationship

> > between

> > > > > > them; theirs is a relationship of love, and love is no

> > beggar.

> > > > [in

> > > > > > the same way], we understand that the beginning of real

> > > spiritual

> > > > > > worship means no begging. We have finished all

> > begging: "Lord,

> > > > give

> > > > > > me this and that." Then will religion begin."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "The second [angle of the triangle of love] is that love

> > knows

> > > no

> > > > > > fear. You may cut me to pieces, and I [will] still love

> you."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "The third [angle of the love-triangle is that] love is

> its

> > > own

> > > > > end.

> > > > > > It can never be the means. The man who says, "I love you

> for

> > > such

> > > > > > and such a thing", does not love. Love can never be the

> > means;

> > > it

> > > > > > must be the perfect end. What is the end and aim of

love?

> To

> > > love

> > > > > > God, that is all. Why should one love God? [There is] no

> why,

> > > > > > because it is not the means. When one can love, that is

> > > > salvation,

> > > > > > that is perfection, that is heaven. What more? What else

> can

> > > be

> > > > the

> > > > > > end? What can you have higher than love?"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "The question was asked: How to worship? Worship Him as

> > dearer

> > > > than

> > > > > > all your possessions, dearer than all your relatives,

> > [dearer

> > > > than]

> > > > > > your children. [Worship Him as] the one you love as Love

> > > itself.

> > > > > > There is one whose name is infinite Love. That is the

only

> > > > > > definition of God. Do not care if this . . . universe is

> > > > destroyed.

> > > > > > What do we care as long as He is infinite love? [Do you

> see

> > > what

> > > > > > worship means? All other thoughts must go. Everything

must

> > > vanish

> > > > > > except God. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you want to read the full lecture go to

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_6/vol_6_fra

> > > > > > me.htm

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoshi