Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Dear friend, I start a new type of discussion here. I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny-- a debate which is ever inconclusive. I have following ideas about planets and astrology: Planets are not influencing our destiny in any way but they are part of the same destiny as we are. Planets move in a predestined and fixed manner. As our destiny. Planetary position can be interpreted in astrology as future indications. A watch does not control time ,it only indicates Time. Sameway planets can only indicate destiny and donot control destiny. What you say dear.. More on this as you comment. Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 A great discussion topic Inderji My views: I feel that we are the planets . Each of us in our own way are planets personified. We feel comfortable in certain places and feel irritated in others. According to me, destiny or future is a result of karma done today. Since, we interact with each other in ways. We mould our today and thus mould our destiny. This means "we" (planets) mould our destiny. However, our reactions, feelings, instincts etc. are gained so predictable and thus we may say that going "instinctively" our destinies are not goverened by us. However, going "consciously", we can mould our destiny. Regards, Souvik , "indervohra2001" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear friend, > I start a new type of discussion here. > I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny-- a debate which is > ever inconclusive. > I have following ideas about planets and astrology: > > Planets are not influencing our destiny in any way but they are part > of the same destiny as we are. Planets move in a predestined and > fixed manner. As our destiny. > > Planetary position can be interpreted in astrology as future > indications. > > A watch does not control time ,it only indicates Time. > > Sameway planets can only indicate destiny and donot control destiny. > > What you say dear.. > > More on this as you comment. > > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Dear Sauvik, If we are the planets then we are 6 billions planets on this earth? What about your Mars or Rahu etc. Inder - In , "OM" <explore_vulcan> wrote: > A great discussion topic Inderji > > My views: > > I feel that we are the planets . Each of us in our own way are > planets personified. We feel comfortable in certain places and feel > irritated in others. > > According to me, destiny or future is a result of karma done today. > Since, we interact with each other in ways. We mould our today and > thus mould our destiny. This means "we" (planets) mould our destiny. > However, our reactions, feelings, instincts etc. are gained so > predictable and thus we may say that going "instinctively" our > destinies are not goverened by us. However, going "consciously", we > can mould our destiny. > > Regards, > > Souvik > > , "indervohra2001" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear friend, > > I start a new type of discussion here. > > I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny-- a debate which is > > ever inconclusive. > > I have following ideas about planets and astrology: > > > > Planets are not influencing our destiny in any way but they are > part > > of the same destiny as we are. Planets move in a predestined and > > fixed manner. As our destiny. > > > > Planetary position can be interpreted in astrology as future > > indications. > > > > A watch does not control time ,it only indicates Time. > > > > Sameway planets can only indicate destiny and donot control destiny. > > > > What you say dear.. > > > > More on this as you comment. > > > > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Dear Inderji, Even if the popoulation shoots up to 1 zelion , we would map to these 9 planets. I think this. Now, the question is that each of us have 10 planets (including the Lagna). The work of one ahould be to know the most dominant planet in the horoscope. However, their are all the 9 parts (corresponding with 9 planets) in each of us. However, as an abstraction we need to find who we are. e.g. Inderji, if u r Buddh, u would be friends with Saturn, Venus, Rahu etc. These are the ppl who u would feel comfortable with and would love the company of. This is ur instinctive nature. However, if u are forced to spend a day with Jup, u would find it difficult, as it would be against ur "instinct" but u still can b'coz u have Jup somewhere in ur chart. This would be ur "conscious" effort. Inderji this was just an example. Please donot take this example seriously. This is what I meant to say. Yes, one can be Mars, Rahu or anything for that matter. Yes, his Mars can be under influence of Rahu but that is a different story. This doesnot change his "instincts". I would explain in more detail in another mail... Regards, Souvik , "indervohra2001" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear Sauvik, > If we are the planets then we are 6 billions planets on this earth? > What about your Mars or Rahu etc. > Inder > > > - In , "OM" <explore_vulcan> > wrote: > > A great discussion topic Inderji > > > > My views: > > > > I feel that we are the planets . Each of us in our own way are > > planets personified. We feel comfortable in certain places and > feel > > irritated in others. > > > > According to me, destiny or future is a result of karma done > today. > > Since, we interact with each other in ways. We mould our today and > > thus mould our destiny. This means "we" (planets) mould our > destiny. > > However, our reactions, feelings, instincts etc. are gained so > > predictable and thus we may say that going "instinctively" our > > destinies are not goverened by us. However, going "consciously", > we > > can mould our destiny. > > > > Regards, > > > > Souvik > > > > , "indervohra2001" > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > Dear friend, > > > I start a new type of discussion here. > > > I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny-- a debate which is > > > ever inconclusive. > > > I have following ideas about planets and astrology: > > > > > > Planets are not influencing our destiny in any way but they are > > part > > > of the same destiny as we are. Planets move in a predestined and > > > fixed manner. As our destiny. > > > > > > Planetary position can be interpreted in astrology as future > > > indications. > > > > > > A watch does not control time ,it only indicates Time. > > > > > > Sameway planets can only indicate destiny and donot control > destiny. > > > > > > What you say dear.. > > > > > > More on this as you comment. > > > > > > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Dear Sauvik, You mean to say one person can be represented by one of the 9 or 10 planets which we know ? If I am Mercury , I would be uncofortable with One representing Jupiter or Mars ? Is it so simple ? Inder , "OM" <explore_vulcan> wrote: > Dear Inderji, > > Even if the popoulation shoots up to 1 zelion , we would map to > these 9 planets. > > I think this. > > Now, the question is that each of us have 10 planets (including the > Lagna). The work of one ahould be to know the most dominant planet in > the horoscope. However, their are all the 9 parts (corresponding with > 9 planets) in each of us. However, as an abstraction we need to find > who we are. > > e.g. Inderji, if u r Buddh, u would be friends with Saturn, Venus, > Rahu etc. These are the ppl who u would feel comfortable with and > would love the company of. This is ur instinctive nature. > > However, if u are forced to spend a day with Jup, u would find it > difficult, as it would be against ur "instinct" but u still can b'coz > u have Jup somewhere in ur chart. This would be ur "conscious" effort. > > Inderji this was just an example. Please donot take this example > seriously. > > This is what I meant to say. > > Yes, one can be Mars, Rahu or anything for that matter. Yes, his Mars > can be under influence of Rahu but that is a different story. This > doesnot change his "instincts". > > I would explain in more detail in another mail... > > Regards, > > Souvik > > , "indervohra2001" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Sauvik, > > If we are the planets then we are 6 billions planets on this earth? > > What about your Mars or Rahu etc. > > Inder > > > > > > - In , "OM" <explore_vulcan> > > wrote: > > > A great discussion topic Inderji > > > > > > My views: > > > > > > I feel that we are the planets . Each of us in our own way are > > > planets personified. We feel comfortable in certain places and > > feel > > > irritated in others. > > > > > > According to me, destiny or future is a result of karma done > > today. > > > Since, we interact with each other in ways. We mould our today > and > > > thus mould our destiny. This means "we" (planets) mould our > > destiny. > > > However, our reactions, feelings, instincts etc. are gained so > > > predictable and thus we may say that going "instinctively" our > > > destinies are not goverened by us. However, going "consciously", > > we > > > can mould our destiny. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > , "indervohra2001" > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > I start a new type of discussion here. > > > > I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny-- a debate which > is > > > > ever inconclusive. > > > > I have following ideas about planets and astrology: > > > > > > > > Planets are not influencing our destiny in any way but they are > > > part > > > > of the same destiny as we are. Planets move in a predestined > and > > > > fixed manner. As our destiny. > > > > > > > > Planetary position can be interpreted in astrology as future > > > > indications. > > > > > > > > A watch does not control time ,it only indicates Time. > > > > > > > > Sameway planets can only indicate destiny and donot control > > destiny. > > > > > > > > What you say dear.. > > > > > > > > More on this as you comment. > > > > > > > > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Dear Inderji, If u r mercury: Please let me explain this part... By this I meant that u (and I as well as everybody) as a Lagna and 9 planets. This is a fact. However, there comes out (we can deduce) one such entity (a planet) which is predominant in us in all circumstances. No, this deduction is not simple. I agree on this. But, once we know the basic abstraction of character of the person (represented by the qualities of a SINGLE planet) we can know about his/her predominant instincts. This does NOT mean that we underestimate his other characteristics, this just means that a predominant part of his character is represented by one..but ofcourse their can be other traits in his character..but these cannot in totality explain the person. This is just like one coalition party winning the elections...all the allies are imporatnt but only 1 (has to) predominate. Yes, now if u are ultimately Mercury, u "instinctly" would be uncomfortable with one representing "Jupiter" and "Mars". However, this doesnot mean that u can never go along with them. By making a "conscious" effort you have to activate the "Jupiter" in u to adapt to their view-point. This is a difficult task. This is mentioned in all religious texts..to control ones instincts...I have not given any new concept but just a different angle to it on the earthly plane. Again, I would like to answer ur very valid question. Is it so simple ? No, it is NOT. But the task that is difficult is to determine the most predominant character , qualities, attributes of the person and map it to a planet. The theory after that is SIMPLE. Please do let me know ur views. Regards, Souvik , "indervohra2001" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear Sauvik, > You mean to say one person can be represented by one of the 9 or 10 > planets which we know ? > > If I am Mercury , I would be uncofortable with One representing > Jupiter or Mars ? > Is it so simple ? > Inder > > , "OM" <explore_vulcan> > wrote: > > Dear Inderji, > > > > Even if the popoulation shoots up to 1 zelion , we would map to > > these 9 planets. > > > > I think this. > > > > Now, the question is that each of us have 10 planets (including > the > > Lagna). The work of one ahould be to know the most dominant planet > in > > the horoscope. However, their are all the 9 parts (corresponding > with > > 9 planets) in each of us. However, as an abstraction we need to > find > > who we are. > > > > e.g. Inderji, if u r Buddh, u would be friends with Saturn, Venus, > > Rahu etc. These are the ppl who u would feel comfortable with and > > would love the company of. This is ur instinctive nature. > > > > However, if u are forced to spend a day with Jup, u would find it > > difficult, as it would be against ur "instinct" but u still can > b'coz > > u have Jup somewhere in ur chart. This would be ur "conscious" > effort. > > > > Inderji this was just an example. Please donot take this example > > seriously. > > > > This is what I meant to say. > > > > Yes, one can be Mars, Rahu or anything for that matter. Yes, his > Mars > > can be under influence of Rahu but that is a different story. This > > doesnot change his "instincts". > > > > I would explain in more detail in another mail... > > > > Regards, > > > > Souvik > > > > , "indervohra2001" > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > Dear Sauvik, > > > If we are the planets then we are 6 billions planets on this > earth? > > > What about your Mars or Rahu etc. > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > - In , "OM" > <explore_vulcan> > > > wrote: > > > > A great discussion topic Inderji > > > > > > > > My views: > > > > > > > > I feel that we are the planets . Each of us in our own way are > > > > planets personified. We feel comfortable in certain places and > > > feel > > > > irritated in others. > > > > > > > > According to me, destiny or future is a result of karma done > > > today. > > > > Since, we interact with each other in ways. We mould our today > > and > > > > thus mould our destiny. This means "we" (planets) mould our > > > destiny. > > > > However, our reactions, feelings, instincts etc. are gained so > > > > predictable and thus we may say that going "instinctively" our > > > > destinies are not goverened by us. However, > going "consciously", > > > we > > > > can mould our destiny. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > , "indervohra2001" > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > I start a new type of discussion here. > > > > > I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny-- a debate > which > > is > > > > > ever inconclusive. > > > > > I have following ideas about planets and astrology: > > > > > > > > > > Planets are not influencing our destiny in any way but they > are > > > > part > > > > > of the same destiny as we are. Planets move in a predestined > > and > > > > > fixed manner. As our destiny. > > > > > > > > > > Planetary position can be interpreted in astrology as future > > > > > indications. > > > > > > > > > > A watch does not control time ,it only indicates Time. > > > > > > > > > > Sameway planets can only indicate destiny and donot control > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > > What you say dear.. > > > > > > > > > > More on this as you comment. > > > > > > > > > > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Dear Sauvik, Suppose I make concious efforts to become cofortable with Jupitarian ,it could also happen that I can become Jupiter by the same more efforts.Is it possible? Or say can become Neptunian by some different efforts. Can I control like this.? Inder -- In , "OM" <explore_vulcan> wrote: > Dear Inderji, > > If u r mercury: Please let me explain this part... > > By this I meant that u (and I as well as everybody) as a Lagna and 9 > planets. This is a fact. However, there comes out (we can deduce) one > such entity (a planet) which is predominant in us in all > circumstances. No, this deduction is not simple. I agree on this. > But, once we know the basic abstraction of character of the person > (represented by the qualities of a SINGLE planet) we can know about > his/her predominant instincts. This does NOT mean that we > underestimate his other characteristics, this just means that a > predominant part of his character is represented by one..but ofcourse > their can be other traits in his character..but these cannot in > totality explain the person. This is just like one coalition party > winning the elections...all the allies are imporatnt but only 1 (has > to) predominate. > > Yes, now if u are ultimately Mercury, u "instinctly" would be > uncomfortable with one representing "Jupiter" and "Mars". However, > this doesnot mean that u can never go along with them. By making > a "conscious" effort you have to activate the "Jupiter" in u to adapt > to their view-point. This is a difficult task. This is mentioned in > all religious texts..to control ones instincts...I have not given any > new concept but just a different angle to it on the earthly plane. > > Again, I would like to answer ur very valid question. > Is it so simple ? > No, it is NOT. But the task that is difficult is to determine the > most predominant character , qualities, attributes of the person and > map it to a planet. The theory after that is SIMPLE. > > Please do let me know ur views. > > Regards, > > Souvik > > > > , "indervohra2001" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Sauvik, > > You mean to say one person can be represented by one of the 9 or 10 > > planets which we know ? > > > > If I am Mercury , I would be uncofortable with One representing > > Jupiter or Mars ? > > Is it so simple ? > > Inder > > > > , "OM" <explore_vulcan> > > wrote: > > > Dear Inderji, > > > > > > Even if the popoulation shoots up to 1 zelion , we would map to > > > these 9 planets. > > > > > > I think this. > > > > > > Now, the question is that each of us have 10 planets (including > > the > > > Lagna). The work of one ahould be to know the most dominant > planet > > in > > > the horoscope. However, their are all the 9 parts (corresponding > > with > > > 9 planets) in each of us. However, as an abstraction we need to > > find > > > who we are. > > > > > > e.g. Inderji, if u r Buddh, u would be friends with Saturn, > Venus, > > > Rahu etc. These are the ppl who u would feel comfortable with and > > > would love the company of. This is ur instinctive nature. > > > > > > However, if u are forced to spend a day with Jup, u would find it > > > difficult, as it would be against ur "instinct" but u still can > > b'coz > > > u have Jup somewhere in ur chart. This would be ur "conscious" > > effort. > > > > > > Inderji this was just an example. Please donot take this example > > > seriously. > > > > > > This is what I meant to say. > > > > > > Yes, one can be Mars, Rahu or anything for that matter. Yes, his > > Mars > > > can be under influence of Rahu but that is a different story. > This > > > doesnot change his "instincts". > > > > > > I would explain in more detail in another mail... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > , "indervohra2001" > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear Sauvik, > > > > If we are the planets then we are 6 billions planets on this > > earth? > > > > What about your Mars or Rahu etc. > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > - In , "OM" > > <explore_vulcan> > > > > wrote: > > > > > A great discussion topic Inderji > > > > > > > > > > My views: > > > > > > > > > > I feel that we are the planets . Each of us in our own way > are > > > > > planets personified. We feel comfortable in certain places > and > > > > feel > > > > > irritated in others. > > > > > > > > > > According to me, destiny or future is a result of karma done > > > > today. > > > > > Since, we interact with each other in ways. We mould our > today > > > and > > > > > thus mould our destiny. This means "we" (planets) mould our > > > > destiny. > > > > > However, our reactions, feelings, instincts etc. are gained > so > > > > > predictable and thus we may say that going "instinctively" > our > > > > > destinies are not goverened by us. However, > > going "consciously", > > > > we > > > > > can mould our destiny. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > , "indervohra2001" > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > I start a new type of discussion here. > > > > > > I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny-- a debate > > which > > > is > > > > > > ever inconclusive. > > > > > > I have following ideas about planets and astrology: > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are not influencing our destiny in any way but they > > are > > > > > part > > > > > > of the same destiny as we are. Planets move in a > predestined > > > and > > > > > > fixed manner. As our destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > Planetary position can be interpreted in astrology as > future > > > > > > indications. > > > > > > > > > > > > A watch does not control time ,it only indicates Time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sameway planets can only indicate destiny and donot control > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > What you say dear.. > > > > > > > > > > > > More on this as you comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Yes Inderji, This is the whole concept of Hinduism. The Purush and the Prakrit. Can the Purush manipulate Prakrit? Can we rule over our most obvious instincts? Well, that is what meditation, tapas, controlled life and civilization tells us about. Yes, I believe it is possible. But it is difficult. This explanation is above and beyond astrology. The person or individual rises above the control of mere instincts and attains bliss or enlightenment. Have anyone seen the horoscope of Swamiji (Vivenkanda, Narendra Nath Dutta). If someone has then he would know that there is no astrological evidence of his early death at the age of 33 yrs. People rise above instincts and control them. This is where people become "Jeetendra", the controller of Instincts. Yes, one can take different forms. There are lots of evidence of this in Indian texts. The same Vishnu was Narasimha and Raam. Valmiki, a dacoit became an esteemed Rishi. We can change our instincts and take the attributes of any abstract planet. This is about the eternal conquest between the baser "instincts" and supreme "consciousness". This is my belief. Regards Souvik , "indervohra2001" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear Sauvik, > Suppose I make concious efforts to become cofortable with > Jupitarian ,it could also happen that I can become Jupiter by the > same more efforts.Is it possible? Or say can become Neptunian by > some different efforts. Can I control like this.? > Inder > > -- In , "OM" <explore_vulcan> > wrote: > > Dear Inderji, > > > > If u r mercury: Please let me explain this part... > > > > By this I meant that u (and I as well as everybody) as a Lagna and > 9 > > planets. This is a fact. However, there comes out (we can deduce) > one > > such entity (a planet) which is predominant in us in all > > circumstances. No, this deduction is not simple. I agree on this. > > But, once we know the basic abstraction of character of the person > > (represented by the qualities of a SINGLE planet) we can know > about > > his/her predominant instincts. This does NOT mean that we > > underestimate his other characteristics, this just means that a > > predominant part of his character is represented by one..but > ofcourse > > their can be other traits in his character..but these cannot in > > totality explain the person. This is just like one coalition party > > winning the elections...all the allies are imporatnt but only 1 > (has > > to) predominate. > > > > Yes, now if u are ultimately Mercury, u "instinctly" would be > > uncomfortable with one representing "Jupiter" and "Mars". However, > > this doesnot mean that u can never go along with them. By making > > a "conscious" effort you have to activate the "Jupiter" in u to > adapt > > to their view-point. This is a difficult task. This is mentioned > in > > all religious texts..to control ones instincts...I have not given > any > > new concept but just a different angle to it on the earthly plane. > > > > Again, I would like to answer ur very valid question. > > Is it so simple ? > > No, it is NOT. But the task that is difficult is to determine the > > most predominant character , qualities, attributes of the person > and > > map it to a planet. The theory after that is SIMPLE. > > > > Please do let me know ur views. > > > > Regards, > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > , "indervohra2001" > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > Dear Sauvik, > > > You mean to say one person can be represented by one of the 9 or > 10 > > > planets which we know ? > > > > > > If I am Mercury , I would be uncofortable with One representing > > > Jupiter or Mars ? > > > Is it so simple ? > > > Inder > > > > > > , "OM" > <explore_vulcan> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Inderji, > > > > > > > > Even if the popoulation shoots up to 1 zelion , we would map > to > > > > these 9 planets. > > > > > > > > I think this. > > > > > > > > Now, the question is that each of us have 10 planets > (including > > > the > > > > Lagna). The work of one ahould be to know the most dominant > > planet > > > in > > > > the horoscope. However, their are all the 9 parts > (corresponding > > > with > > > > 9 planets) in each of us. However, as an abstraction we need > to > > > find > > > > who we are. > > > > > > > > e.g. Inderji, if u r Buddh, u would be friends with Saturn, > > Venus, > > > > Rahu etc. These are the ppl who u would feel comfortable with > and > > > > would love the company of. This is ur instinctive nature. > > > > > > > > However, if u are forced to spend a day with Jup, u would find > it > > > > difficult, as it would be against ur "instinct" but u still > can > > > b'coz > > > > u have Jup somewhere in ur chart. This would be ur "conscious" > > > effort. > > > > > > > > Inderji this was just an example. Please donot take this > example > > > > seriously. > > > > > > > > This is what I meant to say. > > > > > > > > Yes, one can be Mars, Rahu or anything for that matter. Yes, > his > > > Mars > > > > can be under influence of Rahu but that is a different story. > > This > > > > doesnot change his "instincts". > > > > > > > > I would explain in more detail in another mail... > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > , "indervohra2001" > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sauvik, > > > > > If we are the planets then we are 6 billions planets on this > > > earth? > > > > > What about your Mars or Rahu etc. > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - In , "OM" > > > <explore_vulcan> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > A great discussion topic Inderji > > > > > > > > > > > > My views: > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel that we are the planets . Each of us in our own way > > are > > > > > > planets personified. We feel comfortable in certain places > > and > > > > > feel > > > > > > irritated in others. > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me, destiny or future is a result of karma > done > > > > > today. > > > > > > Since, we interact with each other in ways. We mould our > > today > > > > and > > > > > > thus mould our destiny. This means "we" (planets) mould > our > > > > > destiny. > > > > > > However, our reactions, feelings, instincts etc. are > gained > > so > > > > > > predictable and thus we may say that going "instinctively" > > our > > > > > > destinies are not goverened by us. However, > > > going "consciously", > > > > > we > > > > > > can mould our destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > , "indervohra2001" > > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > I start a new type of discussion here. > > > > > > > I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny-- a debate > > > which > > > > is > > > > > > > ever inconclusive. > > > > > > > I have following ideas about planets and astrology: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are not influencing our destiny in any way but > they > > > are > > > > > > part > > > > > > > of the same destiny as we are. Planets move in a > > predestined > > > > and > > > > > > > fixed manner. As our destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planetary position can be interpreted in astrology as > > future > > > > > > > indications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A watch does not control time ,it only indicates Time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sameway planets can only indicate destiny and donot > control > > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you say dear.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More on this as you comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 Dear , My vies are: Baser Instincts are also part of the Supreme conciousness. It is not possible to manipulate the destiny . Anyway, this debate on destiny versus freewill is nevrending and can not be resolved with our exiting concept/knowledge ot Time and Conciousness. What I was telling in the begning was that Planets donot influence our destiny, but they only indicate destiny. Like a watch only indicates time but doesnot control time. Inder -- In , "OM" <explore_vulcan> wrote: > Yes Inderji, > > This is the whole concept of Hinduism. The Purush and the Prakrit. > Can the Purush manipulate Prakrit? Can we rule over our most obvious > instincts? Well, that is what meditation, tapas, controlled life and > civilization tells us about. > > Yes, I believe it is possible. But it is difficult. This explanation > is above and beyond astrology. The person or individual rises above > the control of mere instincts and attains bliss or enlightenment. > > Have anyone seen the horoscope of Swamiji (Vivenkanda, Narendra Nath > Dutta). If someone has then he would know that there is no > astrological evidence of his early death at the age of 33 yrs. People > rise above instincts and control them. This is where people > become "Jeetendra", the controller of Instincts. > > Yes, one can take different forms. There are lots of evidence of this > in Indian texts. The same Vishnu was Narasimha and Raam. Valmiki, a > dacoit became an esteemed Rishi. We can change our instincts and take > the attributes of any abstract planet. > > This is about the eternal conquest between the baser "instincts" and > supreme "consciousness". > > This is my belief. > > Regards > > Souvik > > , "indervohra2001" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Sauvik, > > Suppose I make concious efforts to become cofortable with > > Jupitarian ,it could also happen that I can become Jupiter by the > > same more efforts.Is it possible? Or say can become Neptunian by > > some different efforts. Can I control like this.? > > Inder > > > > -- In , "OM" <explore_vulcan> > > wrote: > > > Dear Inderji, > > > > > > If u r mercury: Please let me explain this part... > > > > > > By this I meant that u (and I as well as everybody) as a Lagna > and > > 9 > > > planets. This is a fact. However, there comes out (we can deduce) > > one > > > such entity (a planet) which is predominant in us in all > > > circumstances. No, this deduction is not simple. I agree on this. > > > But, once we know the basic abstraction of character of the > person > > > (represented by the qualities of a SINGLE planet) we can know > > about > > > his/her predominant instincts. This does NOT mean that we > > > underestimate his other characteristics, this just means that a > > > predominant part of his character is represented by one..but > > ofcourse > > > their can be other traits in his character..but these cannot in > > > totality explain the person. This is just like one coalition > party > > > winning the elections...all the allies are imporatnt but only 1 > > (has > > > to) predominate. > > > > > > Yes, now if u are ultimately Mercury, u "instinctly" would be > > > uncomfortable with one representing "Jupiter" and "Mars". > However, > > > this doesnot mean that u can never go along with them. By making > > > a "conscious" effort you have to activate the "Jupiter" in u to > > adapt > > > to their view-point. This is a difficult task. This is mentioned > > in > > > all religious texts..to control ones instincts...I have not given > > any > > > new concept but just a different angle to it on the earthly plane. > > > > > > Again, I would like to answer ur very valid question. > > > Is it so simple ? > > > No, it is NOT. But the task that is difficult is to determine the > > > most predominant character , qualities, attributes of the person > > and > > > map it to a planet. The theory after that is SIMPLE. > > > > > > Please do let me know ur views. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > , "indervohra2001" > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear Sauvik, > > > > You mean to say one person can be represented by one of the 9 > or > > 10 > > > > planets which we know ? > > > > > > > > If I am Mercury , I would be uncofortable with One representing > > > > Jupiter or Mars ? > > > > Is it so simple ? > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > , "OM" > > <explore_vulcan> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Inderji, > > > > > > > > > > Even if the popoulation shoots up to 1 zelion , we would > map > > to > > > > > these 9 planets. > > > > > > > > > > I think this. > > > > > > > > > > Now, the question is that each of us have 10 planets > > (including > > > > the > > > > > Lagna). The work of one ahould be to know the most dominant > > > planet > > > > in > > > > > the horoscope. However, their are all the 9 parts > > (corresponding > > > > with > > > > > 9 planets) in each of us. However, as an abstraction we need > > to > > > > find > > > > > who we are. > > > > > > > > > > e.g. Inderji, if u r Buddh, u would be friends with Saturn, > > > Venus, > > > > > Rahu etc. These are the ppl who u would feel comfortable with > > and > > > > > would love the company of. This is ur instinctive nature. > > > > > > > > > > However, if u are forced to spend a day with Jup, u would > find > > it > > > > > difficult, as it would be against ur "instinct" but u still > > can > > > > b'coz > > > > > u have Jup somewhere in ur chart. This would be > ur "conscious" > > > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > Inderji this was just an example. Please donot take this > > example > > > > > seriously. > > > > > > > > > > This is what I meant to say. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, one can be Mars, Rahu or anything for that matter. Yes, > > his > > > > Mars > > > > > can be under influence of Rahu but that is a different story. > > > This > > > > > doesnot change his "instincts". > > > > > > > > > > I would explain in more detail in another mail... > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > , "indervohra2001" > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sauvik, > > > > > > If we are the planets then we are 6 billions planets on > this > > > > earth? > > > > > > What about your Mars or Rahu etc. > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - In , "OM" > > > > <explore_vulcan> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > A great discussion topic Inderji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My views: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel that we are the planets . Each of us in our own > way > > > are > > > > > > > planets personified. We feel comfortable in certain > places > > > and > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > irritated in others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to me, destiny or future is a result of karma > > done > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > Since, we interact with each other in ways. We mould our > > > today > > > > > and > > > > > > > thus mould our destiny. This means "we" (planets) mould > > our > > > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > However, our reactions, feelings, instincts etc. are > > gained > > > so > > > > > > > predictable and thus we may say that > going "instinctively" > > > our > > > > > > > destinies are not goverened by us. However, > > > > going "consciously", > > > > > > we > > > > > > > can mould our destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "indervohra2001" > > > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > I start a new type of discussion here. > > > > > > > > I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny-- a debate > > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > > > ever inconclusive. > > > > > > > > I have following ideas about planets and astrology: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are not influencing our destiny in any way but > > they > > > > are > > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > of the same destiny as we are. Planets move in a > > > predestined > > > > > and > > > > > > > > fixed manner. As our destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planetary position can be interpreted in astrology as > > > future > > > > > > > > indications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A watch does not control time ,it only indicates Time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sameway planets can only indicate destiny and donot > > control > > > > > > destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you say dear.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More on this as you comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 Dear Inder, I agree with you 100%. Planets are not the CAUSE of are destiny, they are mere INDICATORS. The Horoscope is nothing but a still photograph of the heavens at the time of birth of a native. The position of the planets within the zodiac, and with respect to each other indicate what fate has in store for us. This is precisely dependant on our past karmas. That is why I believe, that propitiation of the planets is utterly useless. Remedial Measures for planets is in no way going to change one's destiny. The only thing we can do is to pray to the Almighty to give us courage to face and overcome the hurdles that our destiny has imposed on us. That is the only remedy ! Elaborating on your example of the watch, let's say you have your lunch at 2:00 pm everyday. But if someone surreptiously advances your watch by two hours, would it mean that you would feel hungry at 12:00 noon ( when your watch would be showing 2:00 pm ) ? NO WAY ! (unless of course, you missed breakfast that day - ha ha ). So just as manipulation of the watch cannot make you feel hungry (at the wrong time ), manipulation of the planets (through remedial measures) cannot change the course of your life ! But then, you could , by sheer will power, avoid lunch and go hungry. Or if you know you are going to miss lunch, you could have a heavy and/or late breakfast that day. This is your free will - and this is precisely what you could do in life - exercise your free will to change the course of life, albeit by very small amounts, WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS imposed by fate/destiny. Just my two cents worth. Deepak Nair. indervohra2001 [indervohra2001] Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:28 AM Influence of planets on destiny Dear friend, I start a new type of discussion here. I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny-- a debate which is ever inconclusive. I have following ideas about planets and astrology: Planets are not influencing our destiny in any way but they are part of the same destiny as we are. Planets move in a predestined and fixed manner. As our destiny. Planetary position can be interpreted in astrology as future indications. A watch does not control time ,it only indicates Time. Sameway planets can only indicate destiny and donot control destiny. What you say dear.. More on this as you comment. Inder ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 Yes dear right. Inder -- In , "Deepak Nair" <deepaknair@1...> wrote: > Dear Inder, > > I agree with you 100%. > > Planets are not the CAUSE of are destiny, they are mere INDICATORS. The > Horoscope is nothing but a still photograph of the heavens at the time > of birth of a native. The position of the planets within the zodiac, and > with respect to each other indicate what fate has in store for us. This > is precisely dependant on our past karmas. > > That is why I believe, that propitiation of the planets is utterly > useless. > Remedial Measures for planets is in no way going to change one's > destiny. The only thing we can do is to pray to the Almighty to give us > courage to face and overcome the hurdles that our destiny has imposed on > us. That is the only remedy ! > > Elaborating on your example of the watch, let's say you have your lunch > at 2:00 pm everyday. But if someone surreptiously advances your watch by > two hours, would it mean that you would feel hungry at 12:00 noon ( when > your watch would be showing 2:00 pm ) ? NO WAY ! (unless of course, you > missed breakfast that day - ha ha ). > > So just as manipulation of the watch cannot make you feel hungry (at the > wrong time ), manipulation of the planets (through remedial measures) > cannot change the course of your life ! > > But then, you could , by sheer will power, avoid lunch and go hungry. Or > if you know you are going to miss lunch, you could have a heavy and/or > late breakfast that day. This is your free will - and this is precisely > what you could do in life - exercise your free will to change the course > of life, albeit by very small amounts, WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS imposed by > fate/destiny. > > Just my two cents worth. > > Deepak Nair. > > > indervohra2001 [indervohra2001] > Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:28 AM > > Influence of planets on destiny > > Dear friend, > I start a new type of discussion here. > I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny-- a debate which is > ever inconclusive. > I have following ideas about planets and astrology: > > Planets are not influencing our destiny in any way but they are part > of the same destiny as we are. Planets move in a predestined and > fixed manner. As our destiny. > > Planetary position can be interpreted in astrology as future > indications. > > A watch does not control time ,it only indicates Time. > > Sameway planets can only indicate destiny and donot control destiny. > > What you say dear.. > > More on this as you comment. > > Inder > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 I 100% agree on this view too. , "indervohra2001" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Yes dear right. > Inder > > -- In , "Deepak Nair" > <deepaknair@1...> wrote: > > Dear Inder, > > > > I agree with you 100%. > > > > Planets are not the CAUSE of are destiny, they are mere > INDICATORS. The > > Horoscope is nothing but a still photograph of the heavens at the > time > > of birth of a native. The position of the planets within the > zodiac, and > > with respect to each other indicate what fate has in store for us. > This > > is precisely dependant on our past karmas. > > > > That is why I believe, that propitiation of the planets is utterly > > useless. > > Remedial Measures for planets is in no way going to change one's > > destiny. The only thing we can do is to pray to the Almighty to > give us > > courage to face and overcome the hurdles that our destiny has > imposed on > > us. That is the only remedy ! > > > > Elaborating on your example of the watch, let's say you have your > lunch > > at 2:00 pm everyday. But if someone surreptiously advances your > watch by > > two hours, would it mean that you would feel hungry at 12:00 noon > ( when > > your watch would be showing 2:00 pm ) ? NO WAY ! (unless of > course, you > > missed breakfast that day - ha ha ). > > > > So just as manipulation of the watch cannot make you feel hungry > (at the > > wrong time ), manipulation of the planets (through remedial > measures) > > cannot change the course of your life ! > > > > But then, you could , by sheer will power, avoid lunch and go > hungry. Or > > if you know you are going to miss lunch, you could have a heavy > and/or > > late breakfast that day. This is your free will - and this is > precisely > > what you could do in life - exercise your free will to change the > course > > of life, albeit by very small amounts, WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS > imposed by > > fate/destiny. > > > > Just my two cents worth. > > > > Deepak Nair. > > > > > > indervohra2001 [indervohra2001] > > Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:28 AM > > > > Influence of planets on destiny > > > > Dear friend, > > I start a new type of discussion here. > > I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny-- a debate which is > > ever inconclusive. > > I have following ideas about planets and astrology: > > > > Planets are not influencing our destiny in any way but they are > part > > of the same destiny as we are. Planets move in a predestined and > > fixed manner. As our destiny. > > > > Planetary position can be interpreted in astrology as future > > indications. > > > > A watch does not control time ,it only indicates Time. > > > > Sameway planets can only indicate destiny and donot control > destiny. > > > > What you say dear.. > > > > More on this as you comment. > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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