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Dear Anil:

 

:-).

 

Take it easy Anil. Just my views on 1,2,3,4,5.... marriages. Thats

all.

 

There was a pattern, there is a pattern , there will always be a

pattern. But let us remember to focus INWARDS always. If we focus

INWARDS, we get the wisdom of the SELF to help us make those wise

decisions at crucial junctures in our life. If we focus OUTWARDS,

then we do not get the Wisdom of the SELF. (This is to put it

mildly).

 

What is Parashara trying to tell us? 1,2, 3, 4 or 12th house????

What is he really trying to tell us?

 

You wrote:

 

>>To that extent showing flexibility , being accommodative , taking

>>help of counselors would help.

 

The real TRUTH in my mind is this:

 

The best practice is to become immersed within yourSELF. We are not

different from GOD, nor is GOD different from US. You are not far

away from GOD, nor is GOD far away from YOU. If you think you are

far away from GOD, that is due to the delusion of your own mind. If

you give the delusion of your mind to the Psychologists, then

whatever is left will be the SELF. Wont it? :-).

 

9th house is Bhagya, 10th is Karma , 11th is Karmon Ka Phal....12th

is Moksha... Beautiful... Isnt it??

 

Just my views.

 

Warm Regards.

 

--Sanjay Aggarwal

 

 

 

 

On that, when you give your mind to a psychologist

 

, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

wrote:

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> Why do you say so ? This is a astrological forum so we should

think only from astrological perspective. There is no point is

saying "All wives and all husbands are the same"

>

> I am not taking of any social , psychological or physical

approach. Only considering astrological perspective, first marriage

is determined by 7 th place , 7 th lord etc we know all the

theories , second from 9 th , Third from 11 th.

>

> I can give you atleast 50 cases wherein there was a divorce /

Death of spouse in first marriage , but are settled happily in

second marriage. There are few ( may be 5-6 ) where some body got

settled in third and also have a case where somebody had three

breaks and now 4 th marriage is running smooth.

>

> Many more things can be said on this aspect. But unfortunately I

have to rush for office. But I suggest you review what you have said

and then we can discuss.

>

> Lastly , I would just add by saying that it is not necessary that

all divorce indications from astrological perspective would come

true. There is some scope where in one can change / modify what is

written in destiny. To that extent showing flexibility , being

accommodative , taking help of counselors would help.

>

> More of that later,

>

> regards,

>

> Anil

>

>

> -

> Manoshi Chatterjee

>

> Monday, April 05, 2004 7:53 AM

> Re: 2 MArriages: What determines good and bad

planets??

>

>

> LOL

>

> Manoshi

>

> sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote:

> All:

>

> Let me give my thoughts on two (3,4,5) marriages: It may be a

bit

> off context. Or maybe not :-). But in any case, these are my

views:

>

> If you can relate to it its fine, if not its fine too :-).

>

> If one seperates, one will want to remarry, and once again one

will

> have the same problems.All wives and all husbands are the

same, so

> dont change your husband or your wife. Change your nature.

Then

> everything will be alright :-).

>

> Change your understanding. Dont destroy your family life and

home

> because of petty conversations and quarrels. Instead have self

> control and discrimination. Forget the past; lead your life in

this

> way, and within a moment everything will change.

>

> Do not let your home be destroyed for the sake of a petty

quarrel. A

> husband and wife should have some discrimination and should

live

> together with great joy!!.

>

> --Om Tat Sat

> [[ Sanjay Aggarwal ]]

> [[ jyotish_tat_sat ]]

>

>

>

> , Manoshi Chatterjee

> <khallopapa> wrote:

> > Dear Inder,

> >

> > Impressive predictions but for the sake of the learners if

you

> could dissect it a little more and give the reasons and

planetory

> combinations based on which you have made these

predictions."two

> marriages r definitely indicated." why do you say that? etc.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Manoshi

> >

> > indervohra2001 <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > As no inputs from Ruchi, let me complete my brief analysis:

> > Lot of complicacy on married life, unless some inputs are

there ,

> > very difficult/hazardous to make judgement.

> > Two marriages are definatety indicated.

> > During Mercury period, she will have very good time with

> > work/profession. May be good family business with very good

status.

> > good luck.

> > Inder

> >

> >

> > , "indervohra2001"

> > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > Dear Ruchi,

> > >

> > > Sun and Jupiter are beneficial planets for you.

> > > Sat is to give mixed results.

> > > Moon with Rahu is in 8th house and 9th sign. This should

be

> giving

> > > you agony, marital discord and ill health to your mother,

in the

> > > current moon antra.

> > > Sat is good in general but no way connected to professin

so no

> > > career etc. Venus bhukti is bad as it is in sub of Rahu

giving

> you

> > > 8th house results, marriage problem.

> > > Inder

> > >

> > >

> > > -- In , "Manas Kumar"

> > > <manaskumar@h...> wrote:

> > > > as we read your reply, you make us stop, reread many

times and

> > > then

> > > > think! And, read again, before we read some more!!

> > > >

> > > > Wow

> > > >

> > > > , ruchi agrawal

> > > > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:

> > > > > hi, thanks for teh reply but u shd really consider in

> > > > > the light of facts that my twin sis ter is divorced,

> > > > > my mother is in abad shape and it was all bcos of

> > > > > planets as ascertained by somepple b4hand, taht is the

> > > > > reason i have started believeing in teh malefic

> > > > > influence of plantes,w hich has started to touch my

> > > > > life too,

> > > > > -regards ruchi.

> > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Ruchi:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We can make an analysis of which of your planets are

> > > > > > acting malefically,

> > > > > > but it's crucial that you understand that all

> > > > > > Planets are good.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > See, an earlier email I sent in today, regarding the

> > > > > > relative vs. the

> > > > > > absolute goodness of the Planets.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are however, good rules in Jyotish to help us

> > > > > > understand which Planets

> > > > > > are presently acting 'malefically'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In your chart, even a quick glance shows that your

> > > > > > Jupiter is acting very

> > > > > > Beneficially!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's in it's Own Sign, Pisces which is a sign of

> > > > > > great beneficness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your Saturn, however may be functioning malefically,

> > > > > > because it's in Cancer,

> > > > > > and as such, it's placement there is a sign of

> > > > > > people who've been giving and

> > > > > > giving and giving...from the past,

> > > > > > too much...and now, they're born with that habit

> > > > > > ....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > of almost a kind of over-giving to others, and

> > > > > > sometimes to the detriment of

> > > > > > yourself!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's easy to determine, however. Ask yourself, do

> > > > > > you have this strongly

> > > > > > giving nature, but give enough to yourself?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The other way of telling is checking your life's

> > > > > > experiences. Do you feel

> > > > > > any grief? Do you feel any imbalance especially as

> > > > > > related to giving to

> > > > > > others?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sometimes, people with Saturn in Cancer, have the

> > > > > > habit of giving, which is

> > > > > > very symbolic of Cancer, but Saturn there, means

> > > > > > lessons associated with

> > > > > > 'over-giving'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Where Saturn gets placed in our charts, for many

> > > > > > people, shows where we've

> > > > > > been out of balance in the past, and we're hear to

> > > > > > learn this....hence, we

> > > > > > get the functioning malefic Saturn!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To reflect on your point too, you need to get a job,

> > > > > > this is a very

> > > > > > Saturnian effect, delay and disappointment due to

> > > > > > lack of...something, and

> > > > > > in this case work!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a fairly common complaint right now, because

> > > > > > we're in the tail end

> > > > > > of a Saturn induced mini-recession that's been going

> > > > > > on since 1999, and

> > > > > > 2000, when Jupiter & Saturn collided in the

> > > > > > Transits, sky.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But, now, Jupiter's finally getting to a point where

> > > > > > it's beginning to

> > > > > > finally pull away from Saturn, so in the next 8 to

> > > > > > 12 months things should

> > > > > > improve dramatically.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You should have a formal reading to determine when

> > > > > > the Saturn break may come

> > > > > > for you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Though for right now, I can suggest, do some things

> > > > > > that will help you

> > > > > > strengthen that same Saturn. Saturn is Nature

> > > > > > trying to tell us we've

> > > > > > gotten out of balance...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, do some things to get more in-tune with

> > > > > > yourself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Meditate, get more rest, daily, watch the Moon

> > > > > > cycle, Waxing and Waning,

> > > > > > aspire to be more in-tune with the Moon, and all,

> > > > > > Jyotish cycles.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All of these will help your Saturn, immensely!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Good luck.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mark Kincaid

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > "parvatishankar" <parvatishankar>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fri, 02 Apr 2004 05:05:59 -0000

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: What determines good and bad

> > > > > > planets??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > "ruchiagrawal_28"

> > > > > > > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:

> > > > > > >> Hi all,

> > > > > > >> I have been studying astrology for quite some

> > > > > > time and paid big

> > > > > > >> money to undersatnd it however, can anyone really

> > > > > > tell me which are

> > > > > > >> my good planets and which r bad ones, i do not

> > > > > > somehow manage to

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > >> a job- so the remedy for taht would be alos

> > > > > > appreciated , my

> > > > > > > details

> > > > > > >> are-ra, born on 28th dec 1975, tiime 11:08am at

> > > > > > agra,

> > > > > > >> thanks a lot.

> > > > > > >> -ruchi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Hey,

There are three planes of existence. AdiDaivika, AdiBhautika

and Adhyatmika.

 

Intriscially Astrology, or for that matter any other derivative

subjects of Vedas, the objective is to lift a person from

AdiBhautika to Adhyatmika(to the universal oneness.)

 

In the initial stages of practice, a practitioner's mind, as i see

from few of the mails responses, tries to grasp every thing in

Adhyatmika plane.

 

This might perplex other people. But i feel sympathetic to both

parties for, this is only a symbyotic relationship.

 

The practitioner is brought to the mundane plane of AdiBhautika in

others company.

 

At the same time other who are predominantly in AdiBhautika plane

are sensitised by the practitioner to elevate to the Adhyatmika

plane.

 

Thanks

 

, "sanjaytechnology"

<sanjaytechnology> wrote:

> Dear Anil:

>

> :-).

>

> Take it easy Anil. Just my views on 1,2,3,4,5.... marriages. Thats

> all.

>

> There was a pattern, there is a pattern , there will always be a

> pattern. But let us remember to focus INWARDS always. If we focus

> INWARDS, we get the wisdom of the SELF to help us make those wise

> decisions at crucial junctures in our life. If we focus OUTWARDS,

> then we do not get the Wisdom of the SELF. (This is to put it

> mildly).

>

> What is Parashara trying to tell us? 1,2, 3, 4 or 12th house????

> What is he really trying to tell us?

>

> You wrote:

>

> >>To that extent showing flexibility , being accommodative ,

taking

> >>help of counselors would help.

>

> The real TRUTH in my mind is this:

>

> The best practice is to become immersed within yourSELF. We are

not

> different from GOD, nor is GOD different from US. You are not far

> away from GOD, nor is GOD far away from YOU. If you think you are

> far away from GOD, that is due to the delusion of your own mind.

If

> you give the delusion of your mind to the Psychologists, then

> whatever is left will be the SELF. Wont it? :-).

>

> 9th house is Bhagya, 10th is Karma , 11th is Karmon Ka

Phal....12th

> is Moksha... Beautiful... Isnt it??

>

> Just my views.

>

> Warm Regards.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

>

>

>

> On that, when you give your mind to a psychologist

>

> , Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Sanjay,

> >

> > Why do you say so ? This is a astrological forum so we should

> think only from astrological perspective. There is no point is

> saying "All wives and all husbands are the same"

> >

> > I am not taking of any social , psychological or physical

> approach. Only considering astrological perspective, first

marriage

> is determined by 7 th place , 7 th lord etc we know all the

> theories , second from 9 th , Third from 11 th.

> >

> > I can give you atleast 50 cases wherein there was a divorce /

> Death of spouse in first marriage , but are settled happily in

> second marriage. There are few ( may be 5-6 ) where some body got

> settled in third and also have a case where somebody had three

> breaks and now 4 th marriage is running smooth.

> >

> > Many more things can be said on this aspect. But unfortunately I

> have to rush for office. But I suggest you review what you have

said

> and then we can discuss.

> >

> > Lastly , I would just add by saying that it is not necessary

that

> all divorce indications from astrological perspective would come

> true. There is some scope where in one can change / modify what is

> written in destiny. To that extent showing flexibility , being

> accommodative , taking help of counselors would help.

> >

> > More of that later,

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Anil

> >

> >

> > -

> > Manoshi Chatterjee

> >

> > Monday, April 05, 2004 7:53 AM

> > Re: 2 MArriages: What determines good and bad

> planets??

> >

> >

> > LOL

> >

> > Manoshi

> >

> > sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote:

> > All:

> >

> > Let me give my thoughts on two (3,4,5) marriages: It may be

a

> bit

> > off context. Or maybe not :-). But in any case, these are my

> views:

> >

> > If you can relate to it its fine, if not its fine too :-).

> >

> > If one seperates, one will want to remarry, and once again

one

> will

> > have the same problems.All wives and all husbands are the

> same, so

> > dont change your husband or your wife. Change your nature.

> Then

> > everything will be alright :-).

> >

> > Change your understanding. Dont destroy your family life and

> home

> > because of petty conversations and quarrels. Instead have

self

> > control and discrimination. Forget the past; lead your life

in

> this

> > way, and within a moment everything will change.

> >

> > Do not let your home be destroyed for the sake of a petty

> quarrel. A

> > husband and wife should have some discrimination and should

> live

> > together with great joy!!.

> >

> > --Om Tat Sat

> > [[ Sanjay Aggarwal ]]

> > [[ jyotish_tat_sat ]]

> >

> >

> >

> > , Manoshi Chatterjee

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > Dear Inder,

> > >

> > > Impressive predictions but for the sake of the learners if

> you

> > could dissect it a little more and give the reasons and

> planetory

> > combinations based on which you have made these

> predictions."two

> > marriages r definitely indicated." why do you say that? etc.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Manoshi

> > >

> > > indervohra2001 <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > As no inputs from Ruchi, let me complete my brief analysis:

> > > Lot of complicacy on married life, unless some inputs are

> there ,

> > > very difficult/hazardous to make judgement.

> > > Two marriages are definatety indicated.

> > > During Mercury period, she will have very good time with

> > > work/profession. May be good family business with very

good

> status.

> > > good luck.

> > > Inder

> > >

> > >

> > > , "indervohra2001"

> > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > Dear Ruchi,

> > > >

> > > > Sun and Jupiter are beneficial planets for you.

> > > > Sat is to give mixed results.

> > > > Moon with Rahu is in 8th house and 9th sign. This should

> be

> > giving

> > > > you agony, marital discord and ill health to your

mother,

> in the

> > > > current moon antra.

> > > > Sat is good in general but no way connected to professin

> so no

> > > > career etc. Venus bhukti is bad as it is in sub of Rahu

> giving

> > you

> > > > 8th house results, marriage problem.

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -- In , "Manas Kumar"

> > > > <manaskumar@h...> wrote:

> > > > > as we read your reply, you make us stop, reread many

> times and

> > > > then

> > > > > think! And, read again, before we read some more!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Wow

> > > > >

> > > > > , ruchi agrawal

> > > > > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:

> > > > > > hi, thanks for teh reply but u shd really consider in

> > > > > > the light of facts that my twin sis ter is divorced,

> > > > > > my mother is in abad shape and it was all bcos of

> > > > > > planets as ascertained by somepple b4hand, taht is

the

> > > > > > reason i have started believeing in teh malefic

> > > > > > influence of plantes,w hich has started to touch my

> > > > > > life too,

> > > > > > -regards ruchi.

> > > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Ruchi:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We can make an analysis of which of your planets

are

> > > > > > > acting malefically,

> > > > > > > but it's crucial that you understand that all

> > > > > > > Planets are good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See, an earlier email I sent in today, regarding

the

> > > > > > > relative vs. the

> > > > > > > absolute goodness of the Planets.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are however, good rules in Jyotish to help us

> > > > > > > understand which Planets

> > > > > > > are presently acting 'malefically'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your chart, even a quick glance shows that your

> > > > > > > Jupiter is acting very

> > > > > > > Beneficially!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's in it's Own Sign, Pisces which is a sign of

> > > > > > > great beneficness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your Saturn, however may be functioning

malefically,

> > > > > > > because it's in Cancer,

> > > > > > > and as such, it's placement there is a sign of

> > > > > > > people who've been giving and

> > > > > > > giving and giving...from the past,

> > > > > > > too much...and now, they're born with that habit

> > > > > > > ....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > of almost a kind of over-giving to others, and

> > > > > > > sometimes to the detriment of

> > > > > > > yourself!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's easy to determine, however. Ask yourself, do

> > > > > > > you have this strongly

> > > > > > > giving nature, but give enough to yourself?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The other way of telling is checking your life's

> > > > > > > experiences. Do you feel

> > > > > > > any grief? Do you feel any imbalance especially as

> > > > > > > related to giving to

> > > > > > > others?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sometimes, people with Saturn in Cancer, have the

> > > > > > > habit of giving, which is

> > > > > > > very symbolic of Cancer, but Saturn there, means

> > > > > > > lessons associated with

> > > > > > > 'over-giving'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Where Saturn gets placed in our charts, for many

> > > > > > > people, shows where we've

> > > > > > > been out of balance in the past, and we're hear to

> > > > > > > learn this....hence, we

> > > > > > > get the functioning malefic Saturn!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To reflect on your point too, you need to get a

job,

> > > > > > > this is a very

> > > > > > > Saturnian effect, delay and disappointment due to

> > > > > > > lack of...something, and

> > > > > > > in this case work!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is a fairly common complaint right now,

because

> > > > > > > we're in the tail end

> > > > > > > of a Saturn induced mini-recession that's been

going

> > > > > > > on since 1999, and

> > > > > > > 2000, when Jupiter & Saturn collided in the

> > > > > > > Transits, sky.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But, now, Jupiter's finally getting to a point

where

> > > > > > > it's beginning to

> > > > > > > finally pull away from Saturn, so in the next 8 to

> > > > > > > 12 months things should

> > > > > > > improve dramatically.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You should have a formal reading to determine when

> > > > > > > the Saturn break may come

> > > > > > > for you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Though for right now, I can suggest, do some things

> > > > > > > that will help you

> > > > > > > strengthen that same Saturn. Saturn is Nature

> > > > > > > trying to tell us we've

> > > > > > > gotten out of balance...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, do some things to get more in-tune with

> > > > > > > yourself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Meditate, get more rest, daily, watch the Moon

> > > > > > > cycle, Waxing and Waning,

> > > > > > > aspire to be more in-tune with the Moon, and all,

> > > > > > > Jyotish cycles.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All of these will help your Saturn, immensely!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good luck.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > "parvatishankar" <parvatishankar>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Fri, 02 Apr 2004 05:05:59 -0000

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: What determines good and bad

> > > > > > > planets??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >> I have been studying astrology for quite some

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> > > > > > > >> money to undersatnd it however, can anyone

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> > > > > > > tell me which are

> > > > > > > >> my good planets and which r bad ones, i do not

> > > > > > > somehow manage to

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > >> a job- so the remedy for taht would be alos

> > > > > > > appreciated , my

> > > > > > > > details

> > > > > > > >> are-ra, born on 28th dec 1975, tiime 11:08am at

> > > > > > > agra,

> > > > > > > >> thanks a lot.

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Waiting for more of your inputs on these issues astrologically. You can tell

this in more details to help the learners. Thanx for the reply. we are all to

learn here.

Manoshisanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology > wrote:

Dear Anil::-). Take it easy Anil. Just my views on 1,2,3,4,5.... marriages.

Thats all.There was a pattern, there is a pattern , there will always be a

pattern. But let us remember to focus INWARDS always. If we focus INWARDS, we

get the wisdom of the SELF to help us make those wise decisions at crucial

junctures in our life. If we focus OUTWARDS, then we do not get the Wisdom of

the SELF. (This is to put it mildly).What is Parashara trying to tell us? 1,2,

3, 4 or 12th house???? What is he really trying to tell us?You wrote:>>To that

extent showing flexibility , being accommodative , taking >>help of counselors

would help.The real TRUTH in my mind is this:The best practice is to become

immersed within yourSELF. We are not different from GOD, nor is GOD different

from US.

You are not far away from GOD, nor is GOD far away from YOU. If you think you

are far away from GOD, that is due to the delusion of your own mind. If you

give the delusion of your mind to the Psychologists, then whatever is left will

be the SELF. Wont it? :-).9th house is Bhagya, 10th is Karma , 11th is Karmon Ka

Phal....12th is Moksha... Beautiful... Isnt it??Just my views. Warm

Regards.--Sanjay AggarwalOn that, when you give your mind to a psychologist---

In , Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote:> Dear

Sanjay,> > Why do you say so ? This is a astrological forum so we should think

only from astrological perspective. There is no point is saying "All wives and

all husbands are the same"> > I am not taking of any social , psychological or

physical approach. Only considering astrological perspective, first

marriage is determined by 7 th place , 7 th lord etc we know all the theories ,

second from 9 th , Third from 11 th.> > I can give you atleast 50 cases wherein

there was a divorce / Death of spouse in first marriage , but are settled

happily in second marriage. There are few ( may be 5-6 ) where some body got

settled in third and also have a case where somebody had three breaks and now 4

th marriage is running smooth.> > Many more things can be said on this aspect.

But unfortunately I have to rush for office. But I suggest you review what you

have said and then we can discuss.> > Lastly , I would just add by saying that

it is not necessary that all divorce indications from astrological perspective

would come true. There is some scope where in one can change / modify what is

written in destiny. To that extent showing flexibility , being accommodative ,

taking help of counselors would

help.> > More of that later,> > regards,> > Anil> > > ----- Original Message

----- > Manoshi Chatterjee > >

Monday, April 05, 2004 7:53 AM> Re: 2 MArriages: What

determines good and bad planets??> > > LOL > > Manoshi> >

sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote:> All:> > Let me give my

thoughts on two (3,4,5) marriages: It may be a bit > off context. Or maybe

not :-). But in any case, these are my views:> > If you can relate to it

its fine, if not its fine too :-).> > If one seperates, one will

want to remarry, and once again one will > have the same problems.All wives

and all husbands are the same, so > dont change your husband or your wife.

Change your nature. Then > everything will be alright :-).> > Change

your understanding. Dont destroy your family life and home > because of

petty conversations and quarrels. Instead have self > control and

discrimination. Forget the past; lead your life in this > way, and within a

moment everything will change. > > Do not let your home be destroyed for the

sake of a petty quarrel. A > husband and wife should have some

discrimination and should live > together with great joy!!.>

> --Om Tat Sat> [[ Sanjay Aggarwal ]]> [[

jyotish_tat_sat ]]> > > > --- In

, Manoshi Chatterjee > <khallopapa>

wrote:> > Dear Inder,> > > > Impressive predictions but for the

sake of the learners if you > could dissect it a little more and give the

reasons and planetory > combinations based on which you have made these

predictions."two > marriages r definitely indicated." why do you say that?

etc.> >

> > Regards> > > > Manoshi> > > > indervohra2001

<indervohra2001> wrote:> > As no inputs from Ruchi, let me complete my

brief analysis:> > Lot of complicacy on married life, unless some inputs are

there , > > very difficult/hazardous to make judgement.> > Two marriages

are definatety indicated.> > During Mercury period, she will have very good

time with > > work/profession. May be good family business with very good

status.> > good luck.> > Inder> > > >

> > , "indervohra2001" > >

<indervohra2001> wrote:> > > Dear Ruchi,> > > > > > Sun and

Jupiter are beneficial planets for you.> > > Sat is to give mixed results.>

> > Moon with Rahu is in 8th house and 9th sign. This should be > giving

> > > you agony, marital discord and ill health to your mother, in the >

> > current moon antra.> > > Sat is good in general but no way connected to

professin so no > > > career etc. Venus bhukti is bad as it is in sub of

Rahu giving

> you > > > 8th house results, marriage problem.> > > Inder > >

> > > > > > > -- In , "Manas Kumar" >

> > <manaskumar@h...> wrote:> > > > as we read your reply, you make us

stop, reread many times and > > > then > > > > think! And, read again,

before we read some more!!> > > > > > > > Wow> > > > > > > >

, ruchi agrawal > > > >

<ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:> > > > > hi, thanks for teh reply but u shd

really consider in> > > > > the light of facts that my twin sis ter is

divorced,> > > > > my mother is in abad shape and it was all bcos of >

> > > > planets as ascertained by somepple b4hand, taht is the> > > > >

reason i have started believeing in teh malefic> > > > > influence of

plantes,w hich has started to touch my> > > > > life too,> > > > >

-regards ruchi.> > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:> > >

> > > Dear Ruchi:> >

> > > > > > > > > > We can make an analysis of which of your planets are>

> > > > > acting malefically,> > > > > > but it's crucial that you

understand that all> > > > > > Planets are good.> > > > > > > > > >

> > See, an earlier email I sent in today, regarding the> > > > > > relative

vs. the> > > > > > absolute goodness of the Planets.> > > > > > > >

> > > > There are however, good rules in Jyotish to help us> > > > > >

understand which

Planets> > > > > > are presently acting 'malefically'.> > > > > > >

> > > > > In your chart, even a quick glance shows that your> > > > > >

Jupiter is acting very> > > > > > Beneficially!> > > > > > > > > >

> > It's in it's Own Sign, Pisces which is a sign of> > > > > > great

beneficness.> > > > > > > > > > > > Your Saturn, however may be

functioning malefically,> > > > > > because it's in Cancer,> > > > > >

and as such, it's placement there

is a sign of> > > > > > people who've been giving and> > > > > > giving

and giving...from the past,> > > > > > too much...and now, they're born

with that habit> > > > > > ....> > > > > > > > > > > > of almost a

kind of over-giving to others, and> > > > > > sometimes to the detriment

of> > > > > > yourself!> > > > > > > > > > > > It's easy to

determine, however. Ask yourself, do> > > > > > you have this strongly>

> > > > > giving

nature, but give enough to yourself?> > > > > > > > > > > > The other

way of telling is checking your life's> > > > > > experiences. Do you

feel> > > > > > any grief? Do you feel any imbalance especially as> >

> > > > related to giving to> > > > > > others?> > > > > > > > > >

> > Sometimes, people with Saturn in Cancer, have the> > > > > > habit of

giving, which is> > > > > > very symbolic of Cancer, but Saturn there,

means> > > > > > lessons associated

with> > > > > > 'over-giving'.> > > > > > > > > > > > Where Saturn

gets placed in our charts, for many> > > > > > people, shows where we've>

> > > > > been out of balance in the past, and we're hear to> > > > > >

learn this....hence, we> > > > > > get the functioning malefic Saturn!>

> > > > > > > > > > > To reflect on your point too, you need to get a job,>

> > > > > this is a very> > > > > > Saturnian effect, delay and

disappointment due to> > >

> > > lack of...something, and> > > > > > in this case work!> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a fairly common complaint right now, because> > > >

> > we're in the tail end> > > > > > of a Saturn induced mini-recession

that's been going> > > > > > on since 1999, and> > > > > > 2000, when

Jupiter & Saturn collided in the> > > > > > Transits, sky.> > > > > > >

> > > > > But, now, Jupiter's finally getting to a point where> > > > >

> it's beginning

to> > > > > > finally pull away from Saturn, so in the next 8 to> > > >

> > 12 months things should> > > > > > improve dramatically.> > > > > >

> > > > > > You should have a formal reading to determine when> > > > >

> the Saturn break may come> > > > > > for you.> > > > > > > > > >

> > Though for right now, I can suggest, do some things> > > > > > that

will help you> > > > > > strengthen that same Saturn. Saturn is Nature>

> > > > >

trying to tell us we've> > > > > > gotten out of balance...> > > > > > >

> > > > > So, do some things to get more in-tune with> > > > > >

yourself.> > > > > > > > > > > > Meditate, get more rest, daily, watch

the Moon> > > > > > cycle, Waxing and Waning,> > > > > > aspire to be

more in-tune with the Moon, and all,> > > > > > Jyotish cycles.> > > >

> > > > > > > > All of these will help your Saturn, immensely!> > > > >

>

> > > > > > Good luck.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sincerely,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Kincaid> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > "parvatishankar" <parvatishankar>> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Fri, 02 Apr 2004

05:05:59 -0000> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Re: What determines good and bad> > > > > > planets??>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

,> > > > > > "ruchiagrawal_28"> > > > >

> > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:> > > > > > >> Hi all,> > > > > > >> I

have been studying astrology for quite

some> > > > > > time and paid big> > > > > > >> money to undersatnd it

however, can anyone really> > > > > > tell me which are> > > > > > >>

my good planets and which r bad ones, i do not> > > > > > somehow manage

to> > > > > > > get > > > > > > >> a job- so the remedy for taht would

be alos> > > > > > appreciated , my> > > > > > > details > > > > >

> >> are-ra, born on 28th dec 1975, tiime 11:08am at> > > > > > agra,>

>

> > > > >> thanks a lot.> > > > > > >> -ruchi.> > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Manoshi,

 

You are a great motivator. I have already started writing my posting on Marriage

- definitions , Second ( and subsequent ) marriage(s) and divorce. I want to

share my practical experiences and avoid any philosophical discussion.

 

So thanks for your suggestions.

 

Warm regards,

 

Anil

 

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Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa

Monday, April 5, 2004 3:48 pm

Re: 2 MArriages: ??--> Anil

 

> Dear Anil,

>

> Waiting for more of your inputs on these issues astrologically.

> You can tell this in more details to help the learners. Thanx for

> the reply. we are all to learn here.

> Manoshi

>

> sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology wrote:

> Dear Anil:

>

> :-).

>

> Take it easy Anil. Just my views on 1,2,3,4,5.... marriages. Thats

> all.

>

> There was a pattern, there is a pattern , there will always be a

> pattern. But let us remember to focus INWARDS always. If we focus

> INWARDS, we get the wisdom of the SELF to help us make those wise

> decisions at crucial junctures in our life. If we focus OUTWARDS,

> then we do not get the Wisdom of the SELF. (This is to put it

> mildly).

>

> What is Parashara trying to tell us? 1,2, 3, 4 or 12th house????

> What is he really trying to tell us?

>

> You wrote:

>

> >>To that extent showing flexibility , being accommodative ,

> taking

> >>help of counselors would help.

>

> The real TRUTH in my mind is this:

>

> The best practice is to become immersed within yourSELF. We are

> not

> different from GOD, nor is GOD different from US. You are not far

> away from GOD, nor is GOD far away from YOU. If you think you are

> far away from GOD, that is due to the delusion of your own mind.

> If

> you give the delusion of your mind to the Psychologists, then

> whatever is left will be the SELF. Wont it? :-).

>

> 9th house is Bhagya, 10th is Karma , 11th is Karmon Ka

> Phal....12th

> is Moksha... Beautiful... Isnt it??

>

> Just my views.

>

> Warm Regards.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

>

>

>

> On that, when you give your mind to a psychologist

>

> , Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Sanjay,

> >

> > Why do you say so ? This is a astrological forum so we should

> think only from astrological perspective. There is no point is

> saying "All wives and all husbands are the same"

> >

> > I am not taking of any social , psychological or physical

> approach. Only considering astrological perspective, first

> marriage

> is determined by 7 th place , 7 th lord etc we know all the

> theories , second from 9 th , Third from 11 th.

> >

> > I can give you atleast 50 cases wherein there was a divorce /

> Death of spouse in first marriage , but are settled happily in

> second marriage. There are few ( may be 5-6 ) where some body got

> settled in third and also have a case where somebody had three

> breaks and now 4 th marriage is running smooth.

> >

> > Many more things can be said on this aspect. But unfortunately I

> have to rush for office. But I suggest you review what you have

> said

> and then we can discuss.

> >

> > Lastly , I would just add by saying that it is not necessary

> that

> all divorce indications from astrological perspective would come

> true. There is some scope where in one can change / modify what is

> written in destiny. To that extent showing flexibility , being

> accommodative , taking help of counselors would help.

> >

> > More of that later,

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Anil

> >

> >

> > -

> > Manoshi Chatterjee

> >

> > Monday, April 05, 2004 7:53 AM

> > Re: 2 MArriages: What determines good and bad

> planets??

> >

> >

> > LOL

> >

> > Manoshi

> >

> > sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote:

> > All:

> >

> > Let me give my thoughts on two (3,4,5) marriages: It may be

> a

> bit

> > off context. Or maybe not :-). But in any case, these are my

> views:

> >

> > If you can relate to it its fine, if not its fine too :-).

> >

> > If one seperates, one will want to remarry, and once again

> one

> will

> > have the same problems.All wives and all husbands are the

> same, so

> > dont change your husband or your wife. Change your nature.

> Then

> > everything will be alright :-).

> >

> > Change your understanding. Dont destroy your family life and

> home

> > because of petty conversations and quarrels. Instead have

> self

> > control and discrimination. Forget the past; lead your life

> in

> this

> > way, and within a moment everything will change.

> >

> > Do not let your home be destroyed for the sake of a petty

> quarrel. A

> > husband and wife should have some discrimination and should

> live

> > together with great joy!!.

> >

> > --Om Tat Sat

> > [[ Sanjay Aggarwal ]]

> > [[ jyotish_tat_sat ]]

> >

> >

> >

> > , Manoshi Chatterjee

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > Dear Inder,

> > >

> > > Impressive predictions but for the sake of the learners if

> you

> > could dissect it a little more and give the reasons and

> planetory

> > combinations based on which you have made these

> predictions."two

> > marriages r definitely indicated." why do you say that? etc.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Manoshi

> > >

> > > indervohra2001 <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > As no inputs from Ruchi, let me complete my brief analysis:

> > > Lot of complicacy on married life, unless some inputs are

> there ,

> > > very difficult/hazardous to make judgement.

> > > Two marriages are definatety indicated.

> > > During Mercury period, she will have very good time with

> > > work/profession. May be good family business with very

> good

> status.

> > > good luck.

> > > Inder

> > >

> > >

> > > , "indervohra2001"

> > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > Dear Ruchi,

> > > >

> > > > Sun and Jupiter are beneficial planets for you.

> > > > Sat is to give mixed results.

> > > > Moon with Rahu is in 8th house and 9th sign. This should

> be

> > giving

> > > > you agony, marital discord and ill health to your

> mother,

> in the

> > > > current moon antra.

> > > > Sat is good in general but no way connected to professin

> so no

> > > > career etc. Venus bhukti is bad as it is in sub of Rahu

> giving

> > you

> > > > 8th house results, marriage problem.

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -- In , "Manas Kumar"

> > > > <manaskumar@h...> wrote:

> > > > > as we read your reply, you make us stop, reread many

> times and

> > > > then

> > > > > think! And, read again, before we read some more!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Wow

> > > > >

> > > > > , ruchi agrawal

> > > > > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:

> > > > > > hi, thanks for teh reply but u shd really consider in

> > > > > > the light of facts that my twin sis ter is divorced,

> > > > > > my mother is in abad shape and it was all bcos of

> > > > > > planets as ascertained by somepple b4hand, taht is the

> > > > > > reason i have started believeing in teh malefic

> > > > > > influence of plantes,w hich has started to touch my

> > > > > > life too,

> > > > > > -regards ruchi.

> > > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Ruchi:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We can make an analysis of which of your planets are

> > > > > > > acting malefically,

> > > > > > > but it's crucial that you understand that all

> > > > > > > Planets are good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See, an earlier email I sent in today, regarding the

> > > > > > > relative vs. the

> > > > > > > absolute goodness of the Planets.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are however, good rules in Jyotish to help us

> > > > > > > understand which Planets

> > > > > > > are presently acting 'malefically'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your chart, even a quick glance shows that your

> > > > > > > Jupiter is acting very

> > > > > > > Beneficially!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's in it's Own Sign, Pisces which is a sign of

> > > > > > > great beneficness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your Saturn, however may be functioning malefically,

> > > > > > > because it's in Cancer,

> > > > > > > and as such, it's placement there is a sign of

> > > > > > > people who've been giving and

> > > > > > > giving and giving...from the past,

> > > > > > > too much...and now, they're born with that habit

> > > > > > > ....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > of almost a kind of over-giving to others, and

> > > > > > > sometimes to the detriment of

> > > > > > > yourself!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's easy to determine, however. Ask yourself, do

> > > > > > > you have this strongly

> > > > > > > giving nature, but give enough to yourself?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The other way of telling is checking your life's

> > > > > > > experiences. Do you feel

> > > > > > > any grief? Do you feel any imbalance especially as

> > > > > > > related to giving to

> > > > > > > others?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sometimes, people with Saturn in Cancer, have the

> > > > > > > habit of giving, which is

> > > > > > > very symbolic of Cancer, but Saturn there, means

> > > > > > > lessons associated with

> > > > > > > 'over-giving'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Where Saturn gets placed in our charts, for many

> > > > > > > people, shows where we've

> > > > > > > been out of balance in the past, and we're hear to

> > > > > > > learn this....hence, we

> > > > > > > get the functioning malefic Saturn!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To reflect on your point too, you need to get a job,

> > > > > > > this is a very

> > > > > > > Saturnian effect, delay and disappointment due to

> > > > > > > lack of...something, and

> > > > > > > in this case work!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is a fairly common complaint right now, because

> > > > > > > we're in the tail end

> > > > > > > of a Saturn induced mini-recession that's been going

> > > > > > > on since 1999, and

> > > > > > > 2000, when Jupiter & Saturn collided in the

> > > > > > > Transits, sky.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But, now, Jupiter's finally getting to a point where

> > > > > > > it's beginning to

> > > > > > > finally pull away from Saturn, so in the next 8 to

> > > > > > > 12 months things should

> > > > > > > improve dramatically.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You should have a formal reading to determine when

> > > > > > > the Saturn break may come

> > > > > > > for you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Though for right now, I can suggest, do some things

> > > > > > > that will help you

> > > > > > > strengthen that same Saturn. Saturn is Nature

> > > > > > > trying to tell us we've

> > > > > > > gotten out of balance...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, do some things to get more in-tune with

> > > > > > > yourself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Meditate, get more rest, daily, watch the Moon

> > > > > > > cycle, Waxing and Waning,

> > > > > > > aspire to be more in-tune with the Moon, and all,

> > > > > > > Jyotish cycles.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All of these will help your Saturn, immensely!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good luck.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mark Kincaid

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "parvatishankar" <parvatishankar>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Fri, 02 Apr 2004 05:05:59 -0000

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: What determines good and bad

> > > > > > > planets??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > "ruchiagrawal_28"

> > > > > > > > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> Hi all,

> > > > > > > >> I have been studying astrology for quite some

> > > > > > > time and paid big

> > > > > > > >> money to undersatnd it however, can anyone really

> > > > > > > tell me which are

> > > > > > > >> my good planets and which r bad ones, i do not

> > > > > > > somehow manage to

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > >> a job- so the remedy for taht would be alos

> > > > > > > appreciated , my

> > > > > > > > details

> > > > > > > >> are-ra, born on 28th dec 1975, tiime 11:08am at

> > > > > > > agra,

> > > > > > > >> thanks a lot.

> > > > > > > >> -ruchi.

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Dear All Group Members,

 

 

I am giving below my thoughts on this complex subject. When I started this hobby

as astrologer 24 years back, I found it very difficult to logically defied

marriage as event. Then I formed my own theory which has been working well for

me. But I agree and accept that some one can be having better approach than

mine, which I am willing to discuss. To make this posting more readable I am

giving it in form of questions and answers

 

1) What is the astrological definition of marriage ( according to me )

 

I have found out that three types of dates and timings can be predicted.

 

a) When you firmly decide to marry some one psychologically - not just a

superficial involvement , but something coming from deep Inside. Some tender ,

emotional feeling - you feel like souls are getting in tune etc etc. In short,

you have psychologically accepted someone as your life partner.

b) When the marriage takes place legally. Say registrar or Pundit declares the

marriage as legal event.

c) When the physical union happens.

 

Now it is obvious that for every marriage all the events may not happen. Like

those who see their spouse first time only at the time of marriage , or those

who do not get married but stay together as husband and wife or those who due

to some problem are not able to have physics relationship even once. ( There

are complex scenarios , I have cases when somebody had to travel on the evening

of marriage and died before any physical union could take place )

 

2) whether second or third marriage could be predicted ?

 

Yes with almost 90 per cent cases one can predict whether second or third

marriage is going to be there . ( I am talking of legal marriage and not those

who may have / going to have exmartial relationships )

 

3) whether divorce could be predicted and can efforts be made to avoid it ?

 

Certainly , Chance factor of divorce can be predicted. However in most cases

there is some limited scope by which it can be avoided. I believe that every

individual has been given a bandwidth , leeway or scope by destiny in which by

efforts , counseling and by remedies one can change fortune and therefore

divorce also can be avoided. I have helped many cases in avoiding divorce.

However whether divorce can be avoided depends on case to case basis and

difficult to generalize.

 

4) What about those who have more than one wife - Though most of the communities

do not allow it legally , I have few cases where I have been able to map the

start positions with multiple ( Legal ) marriages.

 

5) What about those who do not marry but stay as husband and wife - This can be

mapped to the star positions as well.

 

The specific star positions responsible for above are beyond scope of this

posting. But I have many examples of Venus - Rahu conjunction , Venus - Neptune

, Hershel and Mars - conjunction , square and opposition, Saturn - Sun - Square

and opposition in case of female horoscopes compounded by other start positions

responsible for Martial disharmony which may lead to separation if other

conditions are suitable. Venus in Moola , Jyeshta , Kritika , Ardra should be

observed carefully.

 

6) Some other commonly found issues

 

One can define period in which Husband and wife cannot stay together.

 

I have seen cases where both Husband and wife are intelligent , Good family

background but after marriage suddenly one of them starts behaving like a

schizophrenic as if he or she is possessed or under some evil spirit. I have

found Venus - Rahu or Ketu conjunction along with bad aspects and positions of

mercury and / or Moon responsible for it.

 

I have not considered other associated subjects like affairs , ex martial

relationships , low moral and ethical value systems , sexual disorders which

affect marriage eventually , as I consider them more as psychological disorders

although it gets manifested in matrimonial disharmony.

 

( Astrology and Psychological and psychiatric disorder affect martial harmony

but it separate subject by itself and I am currently writing a book on it based

on the examples. If forum members are interested I can do a posting on some

topics - say which star positions and aspects cause Anxiety , Phobia , Mania ,

Depression , Bipolar Disorder , Various types of schizophrenia , Personality

disorders etc )

 

One point about which I am surprised that many south Indian Astrologers are not

willing to consider effects of Herschel , Neptune and Pluto even today. Though

this could be a separate discussion issue, I would not have been able to

resolve many case without considering these stars for issues involving marriage

and divorce.

 

Anybody wanting to know more on above , please let me know.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Anil Gogate

-

Manoshi Chatterjee

 

Monday, April 05, 2004 3:48 PM

Re: 2 MArriages: ??--> Anil

Dear Anil,

 

Waiting for more of your inputs on these issues astrologically. You can tell

this in more details to help the learners. Thanx for the reply. we are all to

learn here.

Manoshisanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology > wrote:

Dear Anil::-). Take it easy Anil. Just my views on 1,2,3,4,5.... marriages.

Thats all.There was a pattern, there is a pattern , there will always be a

pattern. But let us remember to focus INWARDS always. If we focus INWARDS, we

get the wisdom of the SELF to help us make those wise decisions at crucial

junctures in our life. If we focus OUTWARDS, then we do not get the Wisdom of

the SELF. (This is to put it mildly).What is Parashara trying to tell us? 1,2,

3, 4 or 12th house???? What is he really trying to tell us?You wrote:>>To that

extent showing flexibility , being accommodative , taking >>help of counselors

would help.The real TRUTH in my mind is this:The best practice is to become

immersed within yourSELF. We are not different from GOD, nor is GOD different

from US. You are not far away from GOD, nor is GOD far away from YOU. If you

think you are far away from GOD, that is due to the delusion of your own mind.

If you give the delusion of your mind to the Psychologists, then whatever is

left will be the SELF. Wont it? :-).9th house is Bhagya, 10th is Karma , 11th

is Karmon Ka Phal....12th is Moksha... Beautiful... Isnt it??Just my views.

Warm Regards.--Sanjay AggarwalOn that, when you give your mind to a

psychologist, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

wrote:> Dear Sanjay,> > Why do you say so ? This is a astrological forum so we

should think only from astrological perspective. There is no point is saying

"All wives and all husbands are the same"> > I am not taking of any social ,

psychological or physical approach. Only considering astrological perspective,

first marriage is determined by 7 th place , 7 th lord etc we know all the

theories , second from 9 th , Third from 11 th.> > I can give you atleast 50

cases wherein there was a divorce / Death of spouse in first marriage , but

are settled happily in second marriage. There are few ( may be 5-6 ) where some

body got settled in third and also have a case where somebody had three breaks

and now 4 th marriage is running smooth.> > Many more things can be said on

this aspect. But unfortunately I have to rush for office. But I suggest you

review what you have said and then we can discuss.> > Lastly , I would just add

by saying that it is not necessary that all divorce indications from

astrological perspective would come true. There is some scope where in one can

change / modify what is written in destiny. To that extent showing flexibility

, being accommodative , taking help of counselors would help.> > More of that

later,> > regards,> > Anil> > > - >

Manoshi Chatterjee > > Monday,

April 05, 2004 7:53 AM> Re: 2 MArriages: What determines good

and bad planets??> > > LOL > > Manoshi> > sanjaytechnology

<sanjaytechnology> wrote:> All:> > Let me give my thoughts on two

(3,4,5) marriages: It may be a bit > off context. Or maybe not :-). But in

any case, these are my views:> > If you can relate to it its fine, if not

its fine too :-).> > If one seperates, one will want to remarry, and once

again one will > have the same problems.All wives and all husbands are the

same, so > dont change your husband or your wife. Change your nature. Then

> everything will be alright :-).> > Change your understanding. Dont

destroy your family life and home > because of petty conversations and

quarrels. Instead have self > control and discrimination. Forget the past;

lead your life in this > way, and within a moment everything will change. >

> Do not let your home be destroyed for the sake of a petty quarrel. A >

husband and wife should have some discrimination and should live > together

with great joy!!.> > --Om Tat Sat> [[ Sanjay Aggarwal ]]> [[

jyotish_tat_sat ]]> > > > --- In

, Manoshi Chatterjee > <khallopapa>

wrote:> > Dear Inder,> > > > Impressive predictions but for the

sake of the learners if you > could dissect it a little more and give the

reasons and planetory > combinations based on which you have made these

predictions."two > marriages r definitely indicated." why do you say that?

etc.> > > > Regards> > > > Manoshi> > > >

indervohra2001 <indervohra2001> wrote:> > As no inputs from Ruchi, let

me complete my brief analysis:> > Lot of complicacy on married life, unless

some inputs are there , > > very difficult/hazardous to make judgement.>

> Two marriages are definatety indicated.> > During Mercury period, she

will have very good time with > > work/profession. May be good family

business with very good status.> > good luck.> > Inder> > > > >

> , "indervohra2001" > >

<indervohra2001> wrote:> > > Dear Ruchi,> > > > > > Sun and

Jupiter are beneficial planets for you.> > > Sat is to give mixed results.>

> > Moon with Rahu is in 8th house and 9th sign. This should be > giving

> > > you agony, marital discord and ill health to your mother, in the >

> > current moon antra.> > > Sat is good in general but no way connected to

professin so no > > > career etc. Venus bhukti is bad as it is in sub of

Rahu giving > you > > > 8th house results, marriage problem.> > >

Inder > > > > > > > > > -- In ,

"Manas Kumar" > > > <manaskumar@h...> wrote:> > > > as we read your

reply, you make us stop, reread many times and > > > then > > > >

think! And, read again, before we read some more!!> > > > > > > > Wow>

> > > > > > > , ruchi agrawal >

> > > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:> > > > > hi, thanks for teh reply but u

shd really consider in> > > > > the light of facts that my twin sis ter is

divorced,> > > > > my mother is in abad shape and it was all bcos of >

> > > > planets as ascertained by somepple b4hand, taht is the> > > > >

reason i have started believeing in teh malefic> > > > > influence of

plantes,w hich has started to touch my> > > > > life too,> > > > >

-regards ruchi.> > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:> > >

> > > Dear Ruchi:> > > > > > > > > > > > We can make an analysis of

which of your planets are> > > > > > acting malefically,> > > > > > but

it's crucial that you understand that all> > > > > > Planets are good.>

> > > > > > > > > > > See, an earlier email I sent in today, regarding the>

> > > > > relative vs. the> > > > > > absolute goodness of the Planets.>

> > > > > > > > > > > There are however, good rules in Jyotish to help

us> > > > > > understand which Planets> > > > > > are presently acting

'malefically'.> > > > > > > > > > > > In your chart, even a quick

glance shows that your> > > > > > Jupiter is acting very> > > > > >

Beneficially!> > > > > > > > > > > > It's in it's Own Sign, Pisces

which is a sign of> > > > > > great beneficness.> > > > > > > > > >

> > Your Saturn, however may be functioning malefically,> > > > > > because

it's in Cancer,> > > > > > and as such, it's placement there is a sign of>

> > > > > people who've been giving and> > > > > > giving and

giving...from the past,> > > > > > too much...and now, they're born with

that habit> > > > > > ....> > > > > > > > > > > > of almost a kind

of over-giving to others, and> > > > > > sometimes to the detriment of>

> > > > > yourself!> > > > > > > > > > > > It's easy to determine,

however. Ask yourself, do> > > > > > you have this strongly> > > > > >

giving nature, but give enough to yourself?> > > > > > > > > > > > The

other way of telling is checking your life's> > > > > > experiences. Do

you feel> > > > > > any grief? Do you feel any imbalance especially as>

> > > > > related to giving to> > > > > > others?> > > > > > > > >

> > > Sometimes, people with Saturn in Cancer, have the> > > > > > habit of

giving, which is> > > > > > very symbolic of Cancer, but Saturn there,

means> > > > > > lessons associated with> > > > > > 'over-giving'.>

> > > > > > > > > > > Where Saturn gets placed in our charts, for many>

> > > > > people, shows where we've> > > > > > been out of balance in the

past, and we're hear to> > > > > > learn this....hence, we> > > > > >

get the functioning malefic Saturn!> > > > > > > > > > > > To reflect

on your point too, you need to get a job,> > > > > > this is a very> >

> > > > Saturnian effect, delay and disappointment due to> > > > > > lack

of...something, and> > > > > > in this case work!> > > > > > > > >

> > > This is a fairly common complaint right now, because> > > > > > we're

in the tail end> > > > > > of a Saturn induced mini-recession that's been

going> > > > > > on since 1999, and> > > > > > 2000, when Jupiter &

Saturn collided in the> > > > > > Transits, sky.> > > > > > > > > >

> > But, now, Jupiter's finally getting to a point where> > > > > > it's

beginning to> > > > > > finally pull away from Saturn, so in the next 8 to>

> > > > > 12 months things should> > > > > > improve dramatically.>

> > > > > > > > > > > You should have a formal reading to determine when>

> > > > > the Saturn break may come> > > > > > for you.> > > > > > >

> > > > > Though for right now, I can suggest, do some things> > > > > >

that will help you> > > > > > strengthen that same Saturn. Saturn is

Nature> > > > > > trying to tell us we've> > > > > > gotten out of

balance...> > > > > > > > > > > > So, do some things to get more

in-tune with> > > > > > yourself.> > > > > > > > > > > > Meditate,

get more rest, daily, watch the Moon> > > > > > cycle, Waxing and Waning,>

> > > > > aspire to be more in-tune with the Moon, and all,> > > > > >

Jyotish cycles.> > > > > > > > > > > > All of these will help your

Saturn, immensely!> > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck.> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Mark Kincaid> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "parvatishankar"

<parvatishankar>> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fri, 02 Apr 2004

05:05:59 -0000> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Re: What determines good and bad> > > > > > planets??>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

,> > > > > > "ruchiagrawal_28"> > > > >

> > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:> > > > > > >> Hi all,> > > > > > >> I

have been studying astrology for quite some> > > > > > time and paid big>

> > > > > >> money to undersatnd it however, can anyone really> > > > > >

tell me which are> > > > > > >> my good planets and which r bad ones, i do

not> > > > > > somehow manage to> > > > > > > get > > > > > > >> a

job- so the remedy for taht would be alos> > > > > > appreciated , my>

> > > > > > details > > > > > > >> are-ra, born on 28th dec 1975, tiime

11:08am at> > > > > > agra,> > > > > > >> thanks a lot.> > > > > >

>> -ruchi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Anil VSNL <gogatea (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear All Group Members,

 

 

I am giving below my thoughts on this complex subject. When I started this hobby

as astrologer 24 years back, I found it very difficult to logically defied

marriage as event. Then I formed my own theory which has been working well for

me. But I agree and accept that some one can be having better approach than

mine, which I am willing to discuss. To make this posting more readable I am

giving it in form of questions and answers

 

1) What is the astrological definition of marriage ( according to me )

 

I have found out that three types of dates and timings can be predicted.

 

a) When you firmly decide to marry some one psychologically - not just a

superficial involvement , but something coming from deep Inside. Some tender ,

emotional feeling - you feel like souls are getting in tune etc etc. In short,

you have psychologically accepted someone as your life partner.

b) When the marriage takes place legally. Say registrar or Pundit declares the

marriage as legal event.

c) When the physical union happens.

 

Now it is obvious that for every marriage all the events may not happen. Like

those who see their spouse first time only at the time of marriage , or those

who do not get married but stay together as husband and wife or those who due

to some problem are not able to have physics relationship even once. ( There

are complex scenarios , I have cases when somebody had to travel on the evening

of marriage and died before any physical union could take place )

 

2) whether second or third marriage could be predicted ?

 

Yes with almost 90 per cent cases one can predict whether second or third

marriage is going to be there . ( I am talking of legal marriage and not those

who may have / going to have exmartial relationships )

 

3) whether divorce could be predicted and can efforts be made to avoid it ?

 

Certainly , Chance factor of divorce can be predicted. However in most cases

there is some limited scope by which it can be avoided. I believe that every

individual has been given a bandwidth , leeway or scope by destiny in which by

efforts , counseling and by remedies one can change fortune and therefore

divorce also can be avoided. I have helped many cases in avoiding divorce.

However whether divorce can be avoided depends on case to case basis and

difficult to generalize.

 

4) What about those who have more than one wife - Though most of the communities

do not allow it legally , I have few cases where I have been able to map the

start positions with multiple ( Legal ) marriages.

 

5) What about those who do not marry but stay as husband and wife - This can be

mapped to the star positions as well.

 

The specific star positions responsible for above are beyond scope of this

posting. But I have many examples of Venus - Rahu conjunction , Venus - Neptune

, Hershel and Mars - conjunction , square and opposition, Saturn - Sun - Square

and opposition in case of female horoscopes compounded by other start positions

responsible for Martial disharmony which may lead to separation if other

conditions are suitable. Venus in Moola , Jyeshta , Kritika , Ardra should be

observed carefully.

 

6) Some other commonly found issues

 

One can define period in which Husband and wife cannot stay together.

 

I have seen cases where both Husband and wife are intelligent , Good family

background but after marriage suddenly one of them starts behaving like a

schizophrenic as if he or she is possessed or under some evil spirit. I have

found Venus - Rahu or Ketu conjunction along with bad aspects and positions of

mercury and / or Moon responsible for it.

 

I have not considered other associated subjects like affairs , ex martial

relationships , low moral and ethical value systems , sexual disorders which

affect marriage eventually , as I consider them more as psychological disorders

although it gets manifested in matrimonial disharmony.

 

( Astrology and Psychological and psychiatric disorder affect martial harmony

but it separate subject by itself and I am currently writing a book on it based

on the examples. If forum members are interested I can do a posting on some

topics - say which star positions and aspects cause Anxiety , Phobia , Mania ,

Depression , Bipolar Disorder , Various types of schizophrenia , Personality

disorders etc )

 

One point about which I am surprised that many south Indian Astrologers are not

willing to consider effects of Herschel , Neptune and Pluto even today. Though

this could be a separate discussion issue, I would not have been able to

resolve many case without considering these stars for issues involving marriage

and divorce.

 

Anybody wanting to know more on above , please let me know.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Anil Gogate

-

Manoshi Chatterjee

 

Monday, April 05, 2004 3:48 PM

Re: 2 MArriages: ??--> Anil

Dear Anil,

 

Waiting for more of your inputs on these issues astrologically. You can tell

this in more details to help the learners. Thanx for the reply. we are all to

learn here.

Manoshisanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology > wrote:

Dear Anil::-). Take it easy Anil. Just my views on 1,2,3,4,5.... marriages.

Thats all.There was a pattern, there is a pattern , there will always be a

pattern. But let us remember to focus INWARDS always. If we focus INWARDS, we

get the wisdom of the SELF to help us make those wise decisions at crucial

junctures in our life. If we focus OUTWARDS, then we do not get the Wisdom of

the SELF. (This is to put it mildly).What is Parashara trying to tell us? 1,2,

3, 4 or 12th house???? What is he really trying to tell us?You wrote:>>To that

extent showing flexibility , being accommodative , taking >>help of counselors

would help.The real TRUTH in my mind is this:The best practice is to become

immersed within yourSELF. We are not different from GOD, nor is GOD different

from US.

You are not far away from GOD, nor is GOD far away from YOU. If you think you

are far away from GOD, that is due to the delusion of your own mind. If you

give the delusion of your mind to the Psychologists, then whatever is left will

be the SELF. Wont it? :-).9th house is Bhagya, 10th is Karma , 11th is Karmon Ka

Phal....12th is Moksha... Beautiful... Isnt it??Just my views. Warm

Regards.--Sanjay AggarwalOn that, when you give your mind to a psychologist---

In , Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote:> Dear

Sanjay,> > Why do you say so ? This is a astrological forum so we should think

only from astrological perspective. There is no point is saying "All wives and

all husbands are the same"> > I am not taking of any social , psychological or

physical approach. Only considering astrological perspective, first

marriage is determined by 7 th place , 7 th lord etc we know all the theories ,

second from 9 th , Third from 11 th.> > I can give you atleast 50 cases wherein

there was a divorce / Death of spouse in first marriage , but are settled

happily in second marriage. There are few ( may be 5-6 ) where some body got

settled in third and also have a case where somebody had three breaks and now 4

th marriage is running smooth.> > Many more things can be said on this aspect.

But unfortunately I have to rush for office. But I suggest you review what you

have said and then we can discuss.> > Lastly , I would just add by saying that

it is not necessary that all divorce indications from astrological perspective

would come true. There is some scope where in one can change / modify what is

written in destiny. To that extent showing flexibility , being accommodative ,

taking help of counselors would

help.> > More of that later,> > regards,> > Anil> > > ----- Original Message

----- > Manoshi Chatterjee > >

Monday, April 05, 2004 7:53 AM> Re: 2 MArriages: What

determines good and bad planets??> > > LOL > > Manoshi> >

sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote:> All:> > Let me give my

thoughts on two (3,4,5) marriages: It may be a bit > off context. Or maybe

not :-). But in any case, these are my views:> > If you can relate to it

its fine, if not its fine too :-).> > If one seperates, one will

want to remarry, and once again one will > have the same problems.All wives

and all husbands are the same, so > dont change your husband or your wife.

Change your nature. Then > everything will be alright :-).> > Change

your understanding. Dont destroy your family life and home > because of

petty conversations and quarrels. Instead have self > control and

discrimination. Forget the past; lead your life in this > way, and within a

moment everything will change. > > Do not let your home be destroyed for the

sake of a petty quarrel. A > husband and wife should have some

discrimination and should live > together with great joy!!.>

> --Om Tat Sat> [[ Sanjay Aggarwal ]]> [[

jyotish_tat_sat ]]> > > > --- In

, Manoshi Chatterjee > <khallopapa>

wrote:> > Dear Inder,> > > > Impressive predictions but for the

sake of the learners if you > could dissect it a little more and give the

reasons and planetory > combinations based on which you have made these

predictions."two > marriages r definitely indicated." why do you say that?

etc.> >

> > Regards> > > > Manoshi> > > > indervohra2001

<indervohra2001> wrote:> > As no inputs from Ruchi, let me complete my

brief analysis:> > Lot of complicacy on married life, unless some inputs are

there , > > very difficult/hazardous to make judgement.> > Two marriages

are definatety indicated.> > During Mercury period, she will have very good

time with > > work/profession. May be good family business with very good

status.> > good luck.> > Inder> > > >

> > , "indervohra2001" > >

<indervohra2001> wrote:> > > Dear Ruchi,> > > > > > Sun and

Jupiter are beneficial planets for you.> > > Sat is to give mixed results.>

> > Moon with Rahu is in 8th house and 9th sign. This should be > giving

> > > you agony, marital discord and ill health to your mother, in the >

> > current moon antra.> > > Sat is good in general but no way connected to

professin so no > > > career etc. Venus bhukti is bad as it is in sub of

Rahu giving

> you > > > 8th house results, marriage problem.> > > Inder > >

> > > > > > > -- In , "Manas Kumar" >

> > <manaskumar@h...> wrote:> > > > as we read your reply, you make us

stop, reread many times and > > > then > > > > think! And, read again,

before we read some more!!> > > > > > > > Wow> > > > > > > >

, ruchi agrawal > > > >

<ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:> > > > > hi, thanks for teh reply but u shd

really consider in> > > > > the light of facts that my twin sis ter is

divorced,> > > > > my mother is in abad shape and it was all bcos of >

> > > > planets as ascertained by somepple b4hand, taht is the> > > > >

reason i have started believeing in teh malefic> > > > > influence of

plantes,w hich has started to touch my> > > > > life too,> > > > >

-regards ruchi.> > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:> > >

> > > Dear Ruchi:> >

> > > > > > > > > > We can make an analysis of which of your planets are>

> > > > > acting malefically,> > > > > > but it's crucial that you

understand that all> > > > > > Planets are good.> > > > > > > > > >

> > See, an earlier email I sent in today, regarding the> > > > > > relative

vs. the> > > > > > absolute goodness of the Planets.> > > > > > > >

> > > > There are however, good rules in Jyotish to help us> > > > > >

understand which

Planets> > > > > > are presently acting 'malefically'.> > > > > > >

> > > > > In your chart, even a quick glance shows that your> > > > > >

Jupiter is acting very> > > > > > Beneficially!> > > > > > > > > >

> > It's in it's Own Sign, Pisces which is a sign of> > > > > > great

beneficness.> > > > > > > > > > > > Your Saturn, however may be

functioning malefically,> > > > > > because it's in Cancer,> > > > > >

and as such, it's placement there

is a sign of> > > > > > people who've been giving and> > > > > > giving

and giving...from the past,> > > > > > too much...and now, they're born

with that habit> > > > > > ....> > > > > > > > > > > > of almost a

kind of over-giving to others, and> > > > > > sometimes to the detriment

of> > > > > > yourself!> > > > > > > > > > > > It's easy to

determine, however. Ask yourself, do> > > > > > you have this strongly>

> > > > > giving

nature, but give enough to yourself?> > > > > > > > > > > > The other

way of telling is checking your life's> > > > > > experiences. Do you

feel> > > > > > any grief? Do you feel any imbalance especially as> >

> > > > related to giving to> > > > > > others?> > > > > > > > > >

> > Sometimes, people with Saturn in Cancer, have the> > > > > > habit of

giving, which is> > > > > > very symbolic of Cancer, but Saturn there,

means> > > > > > lessons associated

with> > > > > > 'over-giving'.> > > > > > > > > > > > Where Saturn

gets placed in our charts, for many> > > > > > people, shows where we've>

> > > > > been out of balance in the past, and we're hear to> > > > > >

learn this....hence, we> > > > > > get the functioning malefic Saturn!>

> > > > > > > > > > > To reflect on your point too, you need to get a job,>

> > > > > this is a very> > > > > > Saturnian effect, delay and

disappointment due to> > >

> > > lack of...something, and> > > > > > in this case work!> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is a fairly common complaint right now, because> > > >

> > we're in the tail end> > > > > > of a Saturn induced mini-recession

that's been going> > > > > > on since 1999, and> > > > > > 2000, when

Jupiter & Saturn collided in the> > > > > > Transits, sky.> > > > > > >

> > > > > But, now, Jupiter's finally getting to a point where> > > > >

> it's beginning

to> > > > > > finally pull away from Saturn, so in the next 8 to> > > >

> > 12 months things should> > > > > > improve dramatically.> > > > > >

> > > > > > You should have a formal reading to determine when> > > > >

> the Saturn break may come> > > > > > for you.> > > > > > > > > >

> > Though for right now, I can suggest, do some things> > > > > > that

will help you> > > > > > strengthen that same Saturn. Saturn is Nature>

> > > > >

trying to tell us we've> > > > > > gotten out of balance...> > > > > > >

> > > > > So, do some things to get more in-tune with> > > > > >

yourself.> > > > > > > > > > > > Meditate, get more rest, daily, watch

the Moon> > > > > > cycle, Waxing and Waning,> > > > > > aspire to be

more in-tune with the Moon, and all,> > > > > > Jyotish cycles.> > > >

> > > > > > > > All of these will help your Saturn, immensely!> > > > >

>

> > > > > > Good luck.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sincerely,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Kincaid> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > "parvatishankar" <parvatishankar>> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Fri, 02 Apr 2004

05:05:59 -0000> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Re: What determines good and bad> > > > > > planets??>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

,> > > > > > "ruchiagrawal_28"> > > > >

> > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:> > > > > > >> Hi all,> > > > > > >> I

have been studying astrology for quite

some> > > > > > time and paid big> > > > > > >> money to undersatnd it

however, can anyone really> > > > > > tell me which are> > > > > > >>

my good planets and which r bad ones, i do not> > > > > > somehow manage

to> > > > > > > get > > > > > > >> a job- so the remedy for taht would

be alos> > > > > > appreciated , my> > > > > > > details > > > > >

> >> are-ra, born on 28th dec 1975, tiime 11:08am at> > > > > > agra,>

>

> > > > >> thanks a lot.> > > > > > >> -ruchi.> > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Manoshi,

 

I agree - if every observation , rule , Hypothesis could be explained with live

example, it proves the point better. I do not have shortage of such examples.

But the objective of the mail was to put across my viewpoint on issues raised

by Sanjay. I wanted to clearly convey that Divorces and remarriages can be

predicted and can be avoided to an extent. Hence taking a very practical

approach about it would help our friends / clients in making their matrimonial

life smoother.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

-

Manoshi Chatterjee

 

Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:58 AM

Re: 2 MArriages: ??--> Anil

Thanx Anil. Great posting. But it would be really nice if you could give a few

examples of chart, stating reasons what planetory combinations or what other

reasons lead to separation or second marriage etc. I know you hold a

responsible position at your work place ,may not be having so much of time but

still ....

 

Hope not asking for too much.

 

rgds

 

Manoshi

 

Anil VSNL <gogatea (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear All Group Members,

 

 

I am giving below my thoughts on this complex subject. When I started this hobby

as astrologer 24 years back, I found it very difficult to logically defied

marriage as event. Then I formed my own theory which has been working well for

me. But I agree and accept that some one can be having better approach than

mine, which I am willing to discuss. To make this posting more readable I am

giving it in form of questions and answers

 

1) What is the astrological definition of marriage ( according to me )

 

I have found out that three types of dates and timings can be predicted.

 

a) When you firmly decide to marry some one psychologically - not just a

superficial involvement , but something coming from deep Inside. Some tender ,

emotional feeling - you feel like souls are getting in tune etc etc. In short,

you have psychologically accepted someone as your life partner.

b) When the marriage takes place legally. Say registrar or Pundit declares the

marriage as legal event.

c) When the physical union happens.

 

Now it is obvious that for every marriage all the events may not happen. Like

those who see their spouse first time only at the time of marriage , or those

who do not get married but stay together as husband and wife or those who due

to some problem are not able to have physics relationship even once. ( There

are complex scenarios , I have cases when somebody had to travel on the evening

of marriage and died before any physical union could take place )

 

2) whether second or third marriage could be predicted ?

 

Yes with almost 90 per cent cases one can predict whether second or third

marriage is going to be there . ( I am talking of legal marriage and not those

who may have / going to have exmartial relationships )

 

3) whether divorce could be predicted and can efforts be made to avoid it ?

 

Certainly , Chance factor of divorce can be predicted. However in most cases

there is some limited scope by which it can be avoided. I believe that every

individual has been given a bandwidth , leeway or scope by destiny in which by

efforts , counseling and by remedies one can change fortune and therefore

divorce also can be avoided. I have helped many cases in avoiding divorce.

However whether divorce can be avoided depends on case to case basis and

difficult to generalize.

 

4) What about those who have more than one wife - Though most of the communities

do not allow it legally , I have few cases where I have been able to map the

start positions with multiple ( Legal ) marriages.

 

5) What about those who do not marry but stay as husband and wife - This can be

mapped to the star positions as well.

 

The specific star positions responsible for above are beyond scope of this

posting. But I have many examples of Venus - Rahu conjunction , Venus - Neptune

, Hershel and Mars - conjunction , square and opposition, Saturn - Sun - Square

and opposition in case of female horoscopes compounded by other start positions

responsible for Martial disharmony which may lead to separation if other

conditions are suitable. Venus in Moola , Jyeshta , Kritika , Ardra should be

observed carefully.

 

6) Some other commonly found issues

 

One can define period in which Husband and wife cannot stay together.

 

I have seen cases where both Husband and wife are intelligent , Good family

background but after marriage suddenly one of them starts behaving like a

schizophrenic as if he or she is possessed or under some evil spirit. I have

found Venus - Rahu or Ketu conjunction along with bad aspects and positions of

mercury and / or Moon responsible for it.

 

I have not considered other associated subjects like affairs , ex martial

relationships , low moral and ethical value systems , sexual disorders which

affect marriage eventually , as I consider them more as psychological disorders

although it gets manifested in matrimonial disharmony.

 

( Astrology and Psychological and psychiatric disorder affect martial harmony

but it separate subject by itself and I am currently writing a book on it based

on the examples. If forum members are interested I can do a posting on some

topics - say which star positions and aspects cause Anxiety , Phobia , Mania ,

Depression , Bipolar Disorder , Various types of schizophrenia , Personality

disorders etc )

 

One point about which I am surprised that many south Indian Astrologers are not

willing to consider effects of Herschel , Neptune and Pluto even today. Though

this could be a separate discussion issue, I would not have been able to

resolve many case without considering these stars for issues involving marriage

and divorce.

 

Anybody wanting to know more on above , please let me know.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Anil Gogate

-

Manoshi Chatterjee

 

Monday, April 05, 2004 3:48 PM

Re: 2 MArriages: ??--> Anil

Dear Anil,

 

Waiting for more of your inputs on these issues astrologically. You can tell

this in more details to help the learners. Thanx for the reply. we are all to

learn here.

Manoshisanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology > wrote:

Dear Anil::-). Take it easy Anil. Just my views on 1,2,3,4,5.... marriages.

Thats all.There was a pattern, there is a pattern , there will always be a

pattern. But let us remember to focus INWARDS always. If we focus INWARDS, we

get the wisdom of the SELF to help us make those wise decisions at crucial

junctures in our life. If we focus OUTWARDS, then we do not get the Wisdom of

the SELF. (This is to put it mildly).What is Parashara trying to tell us? 1,2,

3, 4 or 12th house???? What is he really trying to tell us?You wrote:>>To that

extent showing flexibility , being accommodative , taking >>help of counselors

would help.The real TRUTH in my mind is this:The best practice is to become

immersed within yourSELF. We are not different from GOD, nor is GOD different

from US. You are not far away from GOD, nor is GOD far away from YOU. If you

think you are far away from GOD, that is due to the delusion of your own mind.

If you give the delusion of your mind to the Psychologists, then whatever is

left will be the SELF. Wont it? :-).9th house is Bhagya, 10th is Karma , 11th

is Karmon Ka Phal....12th is Moksha... Beautiful... Isnt it??Just my views.

Warm Regards.--Sanjay AggarwalOn that, when you give your mind to a

psychologist, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

wrote:> Dear Sanjay,> > Why do you say so ? This is a astrological forum so we

should think only from astrological perspective. There is no point is saying

"All wives and all husbands are the same"> > I am not taking of any social ,

psychological or physical approach. Only considering astrological perspective,

first marriage is determined by 7 th place , 7 th lord etc we know all the

theories , second from 9 th , Third from 11 th.> > I can give you atleast 50

cases wherein there was a divorce / Death of spouse in first marriage , but

are settled happily in second marriage. There are few ( may be 5-6 ) where some

body got settled in third and also have a case where somebody had three breaks

and now 4 th marriage is running smooth.> > Many more things can be said on

this aspect. But unfortunately I have to rush for office. But I suggest you

review what you have said and then we can discuss.> > Lastly , I would just add

by saying that it is not necessary that all divorce indications from

astrological perspective would come true. There is some scope where in one can

change / modify what is written in destiny. To that extent showing flexibility

, being accommodative , taking help of counselors would help.> > More of that

later,> > regards,> > Anil> > > - >

Manoshi Chatterjee > > Monday,

April 05, 2004 7:53 AM> Re: 2 MArriages: What determines good

and bad planets??> > > LOL > > Manoshi> > sanjaytechnology

<sanjaytechnology> wrote:> All:> > Let me give my thoughts on two

(3,4,5) marriages: It may be a bit > off context. Or maybe not :-). But in

any case, these are my views:> > If you can relate to it its fine, if not

its fine too :-).> > If one seperates, one will want to remarry, and once

again one will > have the same problems.All wives and all husbands are the

same, so > dont change your husband or your wife. Change your nature. Then

> everything will be alright :-).> > Change your understanding. Dont

destroy your family life and home > because of petty conversations and

quarrels. Instead have self > control and discrimination. Forget the past;

lead your life in this > way, and within a moment everything will change. >

> Do not let your home be destroyed for the sake of a petty quarrel. A >

husband and wife should have some discrimination and should live > together

with great joy!!.> > --Om Tat Sat> [[ Sanjay Aggarwal ]]> [[

jyotish_tat_sat ]]> > > > --- In

, Manoshi Chatterjee > <khallopapa>

wrote:> > Dear Inder,> > > > Impressive predictions but for the

sake of the learners if you > could dissect it a little more and give the

reasons and planetory > combinations based on which you have made these

predictions."two > marriages r definitely indicated." why do you say that?

etc.> > > > Regards> > > > Manoshi> > > >

indervohra2001 <indervohra2001> wrote:> > As no inputs from Ruchi, let

me complete my brief analysis:> > Lot of complicacy on married life, unless

some inputs are there , > > very difficult/hazardous to make judgement.>

> Two marriages are definatety indicated.> > During Mercury period, she

will have very good time with > > work/profession. May be good family

business with very good status.> > good luck.> > Inder> > > > >

> , "indervohra2001" > >

<indervohra2001> wrote:> > > Dear Ruchi,> > > > > > Sun and

Jupiter are beneficial planets for you.> > > Sat is to give mixed results.>

> > Moon with Rahu is in 8th house and 9th sign. This should be > giving

> > > you agony, marital discord and ill health to your mother, in the >

> > current moon antra.> > > Sat is good in general but no way connected to

professin so no > > > career etc. Venus bhukti is bad as it is in sub of

Rahu giving > you > > > 8th house results, marriage problem.> > >

Inder > > > > > > > > > -- In ,

"Manas Kumar" > > > <manaskumar@h...> wrote:> > > > as we read your

reply, you make us stop, reread many times and > > > then > > > >

think! And, read again, before we read some more!!> > > > > > > > Wow>

> > > > > > > , ruchi agrawal >

> > > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:> > > > > hi, thanks for teh reply but u

shd really consider in> > > > > the light of facts that my twin sis ter is

divorced,> > > > > my mother is in abad shape and it was all bcos of >

> > > > planets as ascertained by somepple b4hand, taht is the> > > > >

reason i have started believeing in teh malefic> > > > > influence of

plantes,w hich has started to touch my> > > > > life too,> > > > >

-regards ruchi.> > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:> > >

> > > Dear Ruchi:> > > > > > > > > > > > We can make an analysis of

which of your planets are> > > > > > acting malefically,> > > > > > but

it's crucial that you understand that all> > > > > > Planets are good.>

> > > > > > > > > > > See, an earlier email I sent in today, regarding the>

> > > > > relative vs. the> > > > > > absolute goodness of the Planets.>

> > > > > > > > > > > There are however, good rules in Jyotish to help

us> > > > > > understand which Planets> > > > > > are presently acting

'malefically'.> > > > > > > > > > > > In your chart, even a quick

glance shows that your> > > > > > Jupiter is acting very> > > > > >

Beneficially!> > > > > > > > > > > > It's in it's Own Sign, Pisces

which is a sign of> > > > > > great beneficness.> > > > > > > > > >

> > Your Saturn, however may be functioning malefically,> > > > > > because

it's in Cancer,> > > > > > and as such, it's placement there is a sign of>

> > > > > people who've been giving and> > > > > > giving and

giving...from the past,> > > > > > too much...and now, they're born with

that habit> > > > > > ....> > > > > > > > > > > > of almost a kind

of over-giving to others, and> > > > > > sometimes to the detriment of>

> > > > > yourself!> > > > > > > > > > > > It's easy to determine,

however. Ask yourself, do> > > > > > you have this strongly> > > > > >

giving nature, but give enough to yourself?> > > > > > > > > > > > The

other way of telling is checking your life's> > > > > > experiences. Do

you feel> > > > > > any grief? Do you feel any imbalance especially as>

> > > > > related to giving to> > > > > > others?> > > > > > > > >

> > > Sometimes, people with Saturn in Cancer, have the> > > > > > habit of

giving, which is> > > > > > very symbolic of Cancer, but Saturn there,

means> > > > > > lessons associated with> > > > > > 'over-giving'.>

> > > > > > > > > > > Where Saturn gets placed in our charts, for many>

> > > > > people, shows where we've> > > > > > been out of balance in the

past, and we're hear to> > > > > > learn this....hence, we> > > > > >

get the functioning malefic Saturn!> > > > > > > > > > > > To reflect

on your point too, you need to get a job,> > > > > > this is a very> >

> > > > Saturnian effect, delay and disappointment due to> > > > > > lack

of...something, and> > > > > > in this case work!> > > > > > > > >

> > > This is a fairly common complaint right now, because> > > > > > we're

in the tail end> > > > > > of a Saturn induced mini-recession that's been

going> > > > > > on since 1999, and> > > > > > 2000, when Jupiter &

Saturn collided in the> > > > > > Transits, sky.> > > > > > > > > >

> > But, now, Jupiter's finally getting to a point where> > > > > > it's

beginning to> > > > > > finally pull away from Saturn, so in the next 8 to>

> > > > > 12 months things should> > > > > > improve dramatically.>

> > > > > > > > > > > You should have a formal reading to determine when>

> > > > > the Saturn break may come> > > > > > for you.> > > > > > >

> > > > > Though for right now, I can suggest, do some things> > > > > >

that will help you> > > > > > strengthen that same Saturn. Saturn is

Nature> > > > > > trying to tell us we've> > > > > > gotten out of

balance...> > > > > > > > > > > > So, do some things to get more

in-tune with> > > > > > yourself.> > > > > > > > > > > > Meditate,

get more rest, daily, watch the Moon> > > > > > cycle, Waxing and Waning,>

> > > > > aspire to be more in-tune with the Moon, and all,> > > > > >

Jyotish cycles.> > > > > > > > > > > > All of these will help your

Saturn, immensely!> > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck.> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Mark Kincaid> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "parvatishankar"

<parvatishankar>> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fri, 02 Apr 2004

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

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Dear Anil,

 

It was a great posting and I would like to know more on this topic. I am a

beginner in astrology.

 

thanks

 

 

 

Regards,

Suraj Ballal

 

 

 

 

 

>Anil VSNL <gogatea

>

>

>Re: 2 MArriages: ??--> Anil

>Tue, 06 Apr 2004 07:14:00 +0530

>

>Dear Manoshi,

>

>I agree - if every observation , rule , Hypothesis could be explained with

>live example, it proves the point better. I do not have shortage of such

>examples. But the objective of the mail was to put across my viewpoint on

>issues raised by Sanjay. I wanted to clearly convey that Divorces and

>remarriages can be predicted and can be avoided to an extent. Hence taking

>a very practical approach about it would help our friends / clients in

>making their matrimonial life smoother.

>

>Regards,

>

>Anil

> -

> Manoshi Chatterjee

>

> Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:58 AM

> Re: 2 MArriages: ??--> Anil

>

>

> Thanx Anil. Great posting. But it would be really nice if you could give

>a few examples of chart, stating reasons what planetory combinations or

>what other reasons lead to separation or second marriage etc. I know you

>hold a responsible position at your work place ,may not be having so much

>of time but still ....

>

> Hope not asking for too much.

>

> rgds

>

> Manoshi

>

>

>

> Anil VSNL <gogatea wrote:

> Dear All Group Members,

>

>

> I am giving below my thoughts on this complex subject. When I started

>this hobby as astrologer 24 years back, I found it very difficult to

>logically defied marriage as event. Then I formed my own theory which has

>been working well for me. But I agree and accept that some one can be

>having better approach than mine, which I am willing to discuss. To make

>this posting more readable I am giving it in form of questions and answers

>

> 1) What is the astrological definition of marriage ( according to me )

>

> I have found out that three types of dates and timings can be

>predicted.

>

> a) When you firmly decide to marry some one psychologically - not

>just a superficial involvement , but something coming from deep Inside.

>Some tender , emotional feeling - you feel like souls are getting in tune

>etc etc. In short, you have psychologically accepted someone as your life

>partner.

> b) When the marriage takes place legally. Say registrar or Pundit

>declares the marriage as legal event.

> c) When the physical union happens.

>

> Now it is obvious that for every marriage all the events may not

>happen. Like those who see their spouse first time only at the time of

>marriage , or those who do not get married but stay together as husband and

>wife or those who due to some problem are not able to have physics

>relationship even once. ( There are complex scenarios , I have cases when

>somebody had to travel on the evening of marriage and died before any

>physical union could take place )

>

> 2) whether second or third marriage could be predicted ?

>

> Yes with almost 90 per cent cases one can predict whether second or

>third marriage is going to be there . ( I am talking of legal marriage and

>not those who may have / going to have exmartial relationships )

>

> 3) whether divorce could be predicted and can efforts be made to avoid

>it ?

>

> Certainly , Chance factor of divorce can be predicted. However in most

>cases there is some limited scope by which it can be avoided. I believe

>that every individual has been given a bandwidth , leeway or scope by

>destiny in which by efforts , counseling and by remedies one can change

>fortune and therefore divorce also can be avoided. I have helped many cases

>in avoiding divorce. However whether divorce can be avoided depends on case

>to case basis and difficult to generalize.

>

> 4) What about those who have more than one wife - Though most of the

>communities do not allow it legally , I have few cases where I have been

>able to map the start positions with multiple ( Legal ) marriages.

>

> 5) What about those who do not marry but stay as husband and wife -

>This can be mapped to the star positions as well.

>

> The specific star positions responsible for above are beyond scope of

>this posting. But I have many examples of Venus - Rahu conjunction , Venus

>- Neptune , Hershel and Mars - conjunction , square and opposition, Saturn

>- Sun - Square and opposition in case of female horoscopes compounded by

>other start positions responsible for Martial disharmony which may lead to

>separation if other conditions are suitable. Venus in Moola , Jyeshta ,

>Kritika , Ardra should be observed carefully.

>

> 6) Some other commonly found issues

>

> One can define period in which Husband and wife cannot stay together.

>

> I have seen cases where both Husband and wife are intelligent , Good

>family background but after marriage suddenly one of them starts behaving

>like a schizophrenic as if he or she is possessed or under some evil

>spirit. I have found Venus - Rahu or Ketu conjunction along with bad

>aspects and positions of mercury and / or Moon responsible for it.

>

> I have not considered other associated subjects like affairs , ex

>martial relationships , low moral and ethical value systems , sexual

>disorders which affect marriage eventually , as I consider them more as

>psychological disorders although it gets manifested in matrimonial

>disharmony.

>

> ( Astrology and Psychological and psychiatric disorder affect martial

>harmony but it separate subject by itself and I am currently writing a book

>on it based on the examples. If forum members are interested I can do a

>posting on some topics - say which star positions and aspects cause Anxiety

>, Phobia , Mania , Depression , Bipolar Disorder , Various types of

>schizophrenia , Personality disorders etc )

>

> One point about which I am surprised that many south Indian

>Astrologers are not willing to consider effects of Herschel , Neptune and

>Pluto even today. Though this could be a separate discussion issue, I would

>not have been able to resolve many case without considering these stars for

>issues involving marriage and divorce.

>

> Anybody wanting to know more on above , please let me know.

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

> Anil Gogate

>

> -

> Manoshi Chatterjee

>

> Monday, April 05, 2004 3:48 PM

> Re: 2 MArriages: ??--> Anil

>

>

> Dear Anil,

>

> Waiting for more of your inputs on these issues astrologically. You

>can tell this in more details to help the learners. Thanx for the reply. we

>are all to learn here.

> Manoshi

>

> sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology wrote:

> Dear Anil:

>

> :-).

>

> Take it easy Anil. Just my views on 1,2,3,4,5.... marriages. Thats

> all.

>

> There was a pattern, there is a pattern , there will always be a

> pattern. But let us remember to focus INWARDS always. If we focus

> INWARDS, we get the wisdom of the SELF to help us make those wise

> decisions at crucial junctures in our life. If we focus OUTWARDS,

> then we do not get the Wisdom of the SELF. (This is to put it

> mildly).

>

> What is Parashara trying to tell us? 1,2, 3, 4 or 12th house????

> What is he really trying to tell us?

>

> You wrote:

>

> >>To that extent showing flexibility , being accommodative ,

>taking

> >>help of counselors would help.

>

> The real TRUTH in my mind is this:

>

> The best practice is to become immersed within yourSELF. We are

>not

> different from GOD, nor is GOD different from US. You are not far

> away from GOD, nor is GOD far away from YOU. If you think you are

> far away from GOD, that is due to the delusion of your own mind.

>If

> you give the delusion of your mind to the Psychologists, then

> whatever is left will be the SELF. Wont it? :-).

>

> 9th house is Bhagya, 10th is Karma , 11th is Karmon Ka

>Phal....12th

> is Moksha... Beautiful... Isnt it??

>

> Just my views.

>

> Warm Regards.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

>

>

>

> On that, when you give your mind to a psychologist

>

> , Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Sanjay,

> >

> > Why do you say so ? This is a astrological forum so we should

> think only from astrological perspective. There is no point is

> saying "All wives and all husbands are the same"

> >

> > I am not taking of any social , psychological or physical

> approach. Only considering astrological perspective, first

>marriage

> is determined by 7 th place , 7 th lord etc we know all the

> theories , second from 9 th , Third from 11 th.

> >

> > I can give you atleast 50 cases wherein there was a divorce /

> Death of spouse in first marriage , but are settled happily in

> second marriage. There are few ( may be 5-6 ) where some body got

> settled in third and also have a case where somebody had three

> breaks and now 4 th marriage is running smooth.

> >

> > Many more things can be said on this aspect. But unfortunately I

> have to rush for office. But I suggest you review what you have

>said

> and then we can discuss.

> >

> > Lastly , I would just add by saying that it is not necessary

>that

> all divorce indications from astrological perspective would come

> true. There is some scope where in one can change / modify what is

> written in destiny. To that extent showing flexibility , being

> accommodative , taking help of counselors would help.

> >

> > More of that later,

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Anil

> >

> >

> > -

> > Manoshi Chatterjee

> >

> > Monday, April 05, 2004 7:53 AM

> > Re: 2 MArriages: What determines good and bad

> planets??

> >

> >

> > LOL

> >

> > Manoshi

> >

> > sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote:

> > All:

> >

> > Let me give my thoughts on two (3,4,5) marriages: It may be

>a

> bit

> > off context. Or maybe not :-). But in any case, these are my

> views:

> >

> > If you can relate to it its fine, if not its fine too :-).

> >

> > If one seperates, one will want to remarry, and once again

>one

> will

> > have the same problems.All wives and all husbands are the

> same, so

> > dont change your husband or your wife. Change your nature.

> Then

> > everything will be alright :-).

> >

> > Change your understanding. Dont destroy your family life and

> home

> > because of petty conversations and quarrels. Instead have

>self

> > control and discrimination. Forget the past; lead your life

>in

> this

> > way, and within a moment everything will change.

> >

> > Do not let your home be destroyed for the sake of a petty

> quarrel. A

> > husband and wife should have some discrimination and should

> live

> > together with great joy!!.

> >

> > --Om Tat Sat

> > [[ Sanjay Aggarwal ]]

> > [[ jyotish_tat_sat ]]

> >

> >

> >

> > , Manoshi Chatterjee

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > Dear Inder,

> > >

> > > Impressive predictions but for the sake of the learners if

> you

> > could dissect it a little more and give the reasons and

> planetory

> > combinations based on which you have made these

> predictions."two

> > marriages r definitely indicated." why do you say that? etc.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Manoshi

> > >

> > > indervohra2001 <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > As no inputs from Ruchi, let me complete my brief

>analysis:

> > > Lot of complicacy on married life, unless some inputs are

> there ,

> > > very difficult/hazardous to make judgement.

> > > Two marriages are definatety indicated.

> > > During Mercury period, she will have very good time with

> > > work/profession. May be good family business with very

>good

> status.

> > > good luck.

> > > Inder

> > >

> > >

> > > , "indervohra2001"

> > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > Dear Ruchi,

> > > >

> > > > Sun and Jupiter are beneficial planets for you.

> > > > Sat is to give mixed results.

> > > > Moon with Rahu is in 8th house and 9th sign. This should

> be

> > giving

> > > > you agony, marital discord and ill health to your

>mother,

> in the

> > > > current moon antra.

> > > > Sat is good in general but no way connected to professin

> so no

> > > > career etc. Venus bhukti is bad as it is in sub of Rahu

> giving

> > you

> > > > 8th house results, marriage problem.

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -- In , "Manas Kumar"

> > > > <manaskumar@h...> wrote:

> > > > > as we read your reply, you make us stop, reread many

> times and

> > > > then

> > > > > think! And, read again, before we read some more!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Wow

> > > > >

> > > > > , ruchi agrawal

> > > > > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:

> > > > > > hi, thanks for teh reply but u shd really consider

>in

> > > > > > the light of facts that my twin sis ter is divorced,

> > > > > > my mother is in abad shape and it was all bcos of

> > > > > > planets as ascertained by somepple b4hand, taht is

>the

> > > > > > reason i have started believeing in teh malefic

> > > > > > influence of plantes,w hich has started to touch my

> > > > > > life too,

> > > > > > -regards ruchi.

> > > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Ruchi:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We can make an analysis of which of your planets

>are

> > > > > > > acting malefically,

> > > > > > > but it's crucial that you understand that all

> > > > > > > Planets are good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See, an earlier email I sent in today, regarding

>the

> > > > > > > relative vs. the

> > > > > > > absolute goodness of the Planets.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are however, good rules in Jyotish to help

>us

> > > > > > > understand which Planets

> > > > > > > are presently acting 'malefically'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your chart, even a quick glance shows that your

> > > > > > > Jupiter is acting very

> > > > > > > Beneficially!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's in it's Own Sign, Pisces which is a sign of

> > > > > > > great beneficness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your Saturn, however may be functioning

>malefically,

> > > > > > > because it's in Cancer,

> > > > > > > and as such, it's placement there is a sign of

> > > > > > > people who've been giving and

> > > > > > > giving and giving...from the past,

> > > > > > > too much...and now, they're born with that habit

> > > > > > > ....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > of almost a kind of over-giving to others, and

> > > > > > > sometimes to the detriment of

> > > > > > > yourself!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's easy to determine, however. Ask yourself, do

> > > > > > > you have this strongly

> > > > > > > giving nature, but give enough to yourself?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The other way of telling is checking your life's

> > > > > > > experiences. Do you feel

> > > > > > > any grief? Do you feel any imbalance especially

>as

> > > > > > > related to giving to

> > > > > > > others?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sometimes, people with Saturn in Cancer, have the

> > > > > > > habit of giving, which is

> > > > > > > very symbolic of Cancer, but Saturn there, means

> > > > > > > lessons associated with

> > > > > > > 'over-giving'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Where Saturn gets placed in our charts, for many

> > > > > > > people, shows where we've

> > > > > > > been out of balance in the past, and we're hear to

> > > > > > > learn this....hence, we

> > > > > > > get the functioning malefic Saturn!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To reflect on your point too, you need to get a

>job,

> > > > > > > this is a very

> > > > > > > Saturnian effect, delay and disappointment due to

> > > > > > > lack of...something, and

> > > > > > > in this case work!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is a fairly common complaint right now,

>because

> > > > > > > we're in the tail end

> > > > > > > of a Saturn induced mini-recession that's been

>going

> > > > > > > on since 1999, and

> > > > > > > 2000, when Jupiter & Saturn collided in the

> > > > > > > Transits, sky.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But, now, Jupiter's finally getting to a point

>where

> > > > > > > it's beginning to

> > > > > > > finally pull away from Saturn, so in the next 8 to

> > > > > > > 12 months things should

> > > > > > > improve dramatically.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You should have a formal reading to determine when

> > > > > > > the Saturn break may come

> > > > > > > for you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Though for right now, I can suggest, do some

>things

> > > > > > > that will help you

> > > > > > > strengthen that same Saturn. Saturn is Nature

> > > > > > > trying to tell us we've

> > > > > > > gotten out of balance...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, do some things to get more in-tune with

> > > > > > > yourself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Meditate, get more rest, daily, watch the Moon

> > > > > > > cycle, Waxing and Waning,

> > > > > > > aspire to be more in-tune with the Moon, and all,

> > > > > > > Jyotish cycles.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All of these will help your Saturn, immensely!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good luck.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mark Kincaid

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "parvatishankar" <parvatishankar>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Fri, 02 Apr 2004 05:05:59 -0000

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: What determines good and bad

> > > > > > > planets??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > "ruchiagrawal_28"

> > > > > > > > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> Hi all,

> > > > > > > >> I have been studying astrology for quite some

> > > > > > > time and paid big

> > > > > > > >> money to undersatnd it however, can anyone

>really

> > > > > > > tell me which are

> > > > > > > >> my good planets and which r bad ones, i do not

> > > > > > > somehow manage to

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > >> a job- so the remedy for taht would be alos

> > > > > > > appreciated , my

> > > > > > > > details

> > > > > > > >> are-ra, born on 28th dec 1975, tiime 11:08am at

> > > > > > > agra,

> > > > > > > >> thanks a lot.

> > > > > > > >> -ruchi.

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Dear friends,

There is very detailed discussion on these issues coverd in the

following site. Lyudmila suggested this site to me. Pleas see it is

very interesting.

http://www.bena.com/sherpa1/bpa/marriage/bCompati.htm

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In , Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote:

> Dear Manoshi,

>

> I agree - if every observation , rule , Hypothesis could be

explained with live example, it proves the point better. I do not

have shortage of such examples. But the objective of the mail was to

put across my viewpoint on issues raised by Sanjay. I wanted to

clearly convey that Divorces and remarriages can be predicted and

can be avoided to an extent. Hence taking a very practical approach

about it would help our friends / clients in making their

matrimonial life smoother.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

> -

> Manoshi Chatterjee

>

> Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:58 AM

> Re: 2 MArriages: ??--> Anil

>

>

> Thanx Anil. Great posting. But it would be really nice if you

could give a few examples of chart, stating reasons what planetory

combinations or what other reasons lead to separation or second

marriage etc. I know you hold a responsible position at your work

place ,may not be having so much of time but still ....

>

> Hope not asking for too much.

>

> rgds

>

> Manoshi

>

>

>

> Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote:

> Dear All Group Members,

>

>

> I am giving below my thoughts on this complex subject. When I

started this hobby as astrologer 24 years back, I found it very

difficult to logically defied marriage as event. Then I formed my

own theory which has been working well for me. But I agree and

accept that some one can be having better approach than mine, which

I am willing to discuss. To make this posting more readable I am

giving it in form of questions and answers

>

> 1) What is the astrological definition of marriage ( according

to me )

>

> I have found out that three types of dates and timings can be

predicted.

>

> a) When you firmly decide to marry some one psychologically -

not just a superficial involvement , but something coming from deep

Inside. Some tender , emotional feeling - you feel like souls are

getting in tune etc etc. In short, you have psychologically

accepted someone as your life partner.

> b) When the marriage takes place legally. Say registrar or

Pundit declares the marriage as legal event.

> c) When the physical union happens.

>

> Now it is obvious that for every marriage all the events may

not happen. Like those who see their spouse first time only at the

time of marriage , or those who do not get married but stay

together as husband and wife or those who due to some problem are

not able to have physics relationship even once. ( There are complex

scenarios , I have cases when somebody had to travel on the evening

of marriage and died before any physical union could take place )

>

> 2) whether second or third marriage could be predicted ?

>

> Yes with almost 90 per cent cases one can predict whether

second or third marriage is going to be there . ( I am talking of

legal marriage and not those who may have / going to have exmartial

relationships )

>

> 3) whether divorce could be predicted and can efforts be made

to avoid it ?

>

> Certainly , Chance factor of divorce can be predicted. However

in most cases there is some limited scope by which it can be

avoided. I believe that every individual has been given a

bandwidth , leeway or scope by destiny in which by efforts ,

counseling and by remedies one can change fortune and therefore

divorce also can be avoided. I have helped many cases in avoiding

divorce. However whether divorce can be avoided depends on case to

case basis and difficult to generalize.

>

> 4) What about those who have more than one wife - Though most

of the communities do not allow it legally , I have few cases where

I have been able to map the start positions with multiple ( Legal )

marriages.

>

> 5) What about those who do not marry but stay as husband and

wife - This can be mapped to the star positions as well.

>

> The specific star positions responsible for above are beyond

scope of this posting. But I have many examples of Venus - Rahu

conjunction , Venus - Neptune , Hershel and Mars - conjunction ,

square and opposition, Saturn - Sun - Square and opposition in case

of female horoscopes compounded by other start positions responsible

for Martial disharmony which may lead to separation if other

conditions are suitable. Venus in Moola , Jyeshta , Kritika , Ardra

should be observed carefully.

>

> 6) Some other commonly found issues

>

> One can define period in which Husband and wife cannot stay

together.

>

> I have seen cases where both Husband and wife are

intelligent , Good family background but after marriage suddenly one

of them starts behaving like a schizophrenic as if he or she is

possessed or under some evil spirit. I have found Venus - Rahu or

Ketu conjunction along with bad aspects and positions of mercury

and / or Moon responsible for it.

>

> I have not considered other associated subjects like affairs ,

ex martial relationships , low moral and ethical value systems ,

sexual disorders which affect marriage eventually , as I consider

them more as psychological disorders although it gets manifested in

matrimonial disharmony.

>

> ( Astrology and Psychological and psychiatric disorder affect

martial harmony but it separate subject by itself and I am currently

writing a book on it based on the examples. If forum members are

interested I can do a posting on some topics - say which star

positions and aspects cause Anxiety , Phobia , Mania , Depression ,

Bipolar Disorder , Various types of schizophrenia , Personality

disorders etc )

>

> One point about which I am surprised that many south Indian

Astrologers are not willing to consider effects of Herschel ,

Neptune and Pluto even today. Though this could be a separate

discussion issue, I would not have been able to resolve many case

without considering these stars for issues involving marriage and

divorce.

>

> Anybody wanting to know more on above , please let me know.

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

> Anil Gogate

>

> -

> Manoshi Chatterjee

>

> Monday, April 05, 2004 3:48 PM

> Re: 2 MArriages: ??--> Anil

>

>

> Dear Anil,

>

> Waiting for more of your inputs on these issues

astrologically. You can tell this in more details to help the

learners. Thanx for the reply. we are all to learn here.

> Manoshi

>

> sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote:

> Dear Anil:

>

> :-).

>

> Take it easy Anil. Just my views on 1,2,3,4,5....

marriages. Thats

> all.

>

> There was a pattern, there is a pattern , there will

always be a

> pattern. But let us remember to focus INWARDS always. If

we focus

> INWARDS, we get the wisdom of the SELF to help us make

those wise

> decisions at crucial junctures in our life. If we focus

OUTWARDS,

> then we do not get the Wisdom of the SELF. (This is to put

it

> mildly).

>

> What is Parashara trying to tell us? 1,2, 3, 4 or 12th

house????

> What is he really trying to tell us?

>

> You wrote:

>

> >>To that extent showing flexibility , being

accommodative , taking

> >>help of counselors would help.

>

> The real TRUTH in my mind is this:

>

> The best practice is to become immersed within yourSELF.

We are not

> different from GOD, nor is GOD different from US. You are

not far

> away from GOD, nor is GOD far away from YOU. If you think

you are

> far away from GOD, that is due to the delusion of your own

mind. If

> you give the delusion of your mind to the Psychologists,

then

> whatever is left will be the SELF. Wont it? :-).

>

> 9th house is Bhagya, 10th is Karma , 11th is Karmon Ka

Phal....12th

> is Moksha... Beautiful... Isnt it??

>

> Just my views.

>

> Warm Regards.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

>

>

>

> On that, when you give your mind to a psychologist

>

> , Anil VSNL

<gogatea@v...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Sanjay,

> >

> > Why do you say so ? This is a astrological forum so we

should

> think only from astrological perspective. There is no

point is

> saying "All wives and all husbands are the same"

> >

> > I am not taking of any social , psychological or

physical

> approach. Only considering astrological perspective,

first marriage

> is determined by 7 th place , 7 th lord etc we know all

the

> theories , second from 9 th , Third from 11 th.

> >

> > I can give you atleast 50 cases wherein there was a

divorce /

> Death of spouse in first marriage , but are settled

happily in

> second marriage. There are few ( may be 5-6 ) where some

body got

> settled in third and also have a case where somebody had

three

> breaks and now 4 th marriage is running smooth.

> >

> > Many more things can be said on this aspect. But

unfortunately I

> have to rush for office. But I suggest you review what you

have said

> and then we can discuss.

> >

> > Lastly , I would just add by saying that it is not

necessary that

> all divorce indications from astrological perspective

would come

> true. There is some scope where in one can change / modify

what is

> written in destiny. To that extent showing flexibility ,

being

> accommodative , taking help of counselors would help.

> >

> > More of that later,

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Anil

> >

> >

> > -

> > Manoshi Chatterjee

> >

> > Monday, April 05, 2004 7:53 AM

> > Re: 2 MArriages: What determines good

and bad

> planets??

> >

> >

> > LOL

> >

> > Manoshi

> >

> > sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote:

> > All:

> >

> > Let me give my thoughts on two (3,4,5) marriages: It

may be a

> bit

> > off context. Or maybe not :-). But in any case,

these are my

> views:

> >

> > If you can relate to it its fine, if not its fine

too :-).

> >

> > If one seperates, one will want to remarry, and once

again one

> will

> > have the same problems.All wives and all husbands

are the

> same, so

> > dont change your husband or your wife. Change your

nature.

> Then

> > everything will be alright :-).

> >

> > Change your understanding. Dont destroy your family

life and

> home

> > because of petty conversations and quarrels. Instead

have self

> > control and discrimination. Forget the past; lead

your life in

> this

> > way, and within a moment everything will change.

> >

> > Do not let your home be destroyed for the sake of a

petty

> quarrel. A

> > husband and wife should have some discrimination and

should

> live

> > together with great joy!!.

> >

> > --Om Tat Sat

> > [[ Sanjay Aggarwal ]]

> > [[ jyotish_tat_sat ]]

> >

> >

> >

> > , Manoshi

Chatterjee

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > Dear Inder,

> > >

> > > Impressive predictions but for the sake of the

learners if

> you

> > could dissect it a little more and give the reasons

and

> planetory

> > combinations based on which you have made these

> predictions."two

> > marriages r definitely indicated." why do you say

that? etc.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Manoshi

> > >

> > > indervohra2001 <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > As no inputs from Ruchi, let me complete my brief

analysis:

> > > Lot of complicacy on married life, unless some

inputs are

> there ,

> > > very difficult/hazardous to make judgement.

> > > Two marriages are definatety indicated.

> > > During Mercury period, she will have very good

time with

> > > work/profession. May be good family business with

very good

> status.

> > > good luck.

> > > Inder

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

, "indervohra2001"

> > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > Dear Ruchi,

> > > >

> > > > Sun and Jupiter are beneficial planets for you.

> > > > Sat is to give mixed results.

> > > > Moon with Rahu is in 8th house and 9th sign.

This should

> be

> > giving

> > > > you agony, marital discord and ill health to

your mother,

> in the

> > > > current moon antra.

> > > > Sat is good in general but no way connected to

professin

> so no

> > > > career etc. Venus bhukti is bad as it is in sub

of Rahu

> giving

> > you

> > > > 8th house results, marriage problem.

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -- In , "Manas

Kumar"

> > > > <manaskumar@h...> wrote:

> > > > > as we read your reply, you make us stop,

reread many

> times and

> > > > then

> > > > > think! And, read again, before we read some

more!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Wow

> > > > >

> > > > > , ruchi

agrawal

> > > > > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:

> > > > > > hi, thanks for teh reply but u shd really

consider in

> > > > > > the light of facts that my twin sis ter is

divorced,

> > > > > > my mother is in abad shape and it was all

bcos of

> > > > > > planets as ascertained by somepple b4hand,

taht is the

> > > > > > reason i have started believeing in teh

malefic

> > > > > > influence of plantes,w hich has started to

touch my

> > > > > > life too,

> > > > > > -regards ruchi.

> > > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Ruchi:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We can make an analysis of which of your

planets are

> > > > > > > acting malefically,

> > > > > > > but it's crucial that you understand that

all

> > > > > > > Planets are good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See, an earlier email I sent in today,

regarding the

> > > > > > > relative vs. the

> > > > > > > absolute goodness of the Planets.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are however, good rules in Jyotish

to help us

> > > > > > > understand which Planets

> > > > > > > are presently acting 'malefically'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your chart, even a quick glance shows

that your

> > > > > > > Jupiter is acting very

> > > > > > > Beneficially!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's in it's Own Sign, Pisces which is a

sign of

> > > > > > > great beneficness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your Saturn, however may be functioning

malefically,

> > > > > > > because it's in Cancer,

> > > > > > > and as such, it's placement there is a

sign of

> > > > > > > people who've been giving and

> > > > > > > giving and giving...from the past,

> > > > > > > too much...and now, they're born with that

habit

> > > > > > > ....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > of almost a kind of over-giving to others,

and

> > > > > > > sometimes to the detriment of

> > > > > > > yourself!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's easy to determine, however. Ask

yourself, do

> > > > > > > you have this strongly

> > > > > > > giving nature, but give enough to yourself?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The other way of telling is checking your

life's

> > > > > > > experiences. Do you feel

> > > > > > > any grief? Do you feel any imbalance

especially as

> > > > > > > related to giving to

> > > > > > > others?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sometimes, people with Saturn in Cancer,

have the

> > > > > > > habit of giving, which is

> > > > > > > very symbolic of Cancer, but Saturn there,

means

> > > > > > > lessons associated with

> > > > > > > 'over-giving'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Where Saturn gets placed in our charts,

for many

> > > > > > > people, shows where we've

> > > > > > > been out of balance in the past, and we're

hear to

> > > > > > > learn this....hence, we

> > > > > > > get the functioning malefic Saturn!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To reflect on your point too, you need to

get a job,

> > > > > > > this is a very

> > > > > > > Saturnian effect, delay and disappointment

due to

> > > > > > > lack of...something, and

> > > > > > > in this case work!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is a fairly common complaint right

now, because

> > > > > > > we're in the tail end

> > > > > > > of a Saturn induced mini-recession that's

been going

> > > > > > > on since 1999, and

> > > > > > > 2000, when Jupiter & Saturn collided in the

> > > > > > > Transits, sky.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But, now, Jupiter's finally getting to a

point where

> > > > > > > it's beginning to

> > > > > > > finally pull away from Saturn, so in the

next 8 to

> > > > > > > 12 months things should

> > > > > > > improve dramatically.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You should have a formal reading to

determine when

> > > > > > > the Saturn break may come

> > > > > > > for you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Though for right now, I can suggest, do

some things

> > > > > > > that will help you

> > > > > > > strengthen that same Saturn. Saturn is

Nature

> > > > > > > trying to tell us we've

> > > > > > > gotten out of balance...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, do some things to get more in-tune with

> > > > > > > yourself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Meditate, get more rest, daily, watch the

Moon

> > > > > > > cycle, Waxing and Waning,

> > > > > > > aspire to be more in-tune with the Moon,

and all,

> > > > > > > Jyotish cycles.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All of these will help your Saturn,

immensely!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good luck.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mark Kincaid

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "parvatishankar"

<parvatishankar>

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Fri, 02 Apr 2004 05:05:59 -0000

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: What determines good

and bad

> > > > > > > planets??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > "ruchiagrawal_28"

> > > > > > > > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> Hi all,

> > > > > > > >> I have been studying astrology for

quite some

> > > > > > > time and paid big

> > > > > > > >> money to undersatnd it however, can

anyone really

> > > > > > > tell me which are

> > > > > > > >> my good planets and which r bad ones, i

do not

> > > > > > > somehow manage to

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > >> a job- so the remedy for taht would be

alos

> > > > > > > appreciated , my

> > > > > > > > details

> > > > > > > >> are-ra, born on 28th dec 1975, tiime

11:08am at

> > > > > > > agra,

> > > > > > > >> thanks a lot.

> > > > > > > >> -ruchi.

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Dear Inder,

 

I knew this site. Infact the parent site has superb discussions on fundamentals

of Vedic astrology. I am giving below the link.

 

http://www.bena.com/sherpa1/bpa/bAstrHom.htm

 

However for beginners and learners , the basic difficulty is how to apply these

principles to particular situations they come across in the horoscopes they

study ? and there is no easy answer for that and everybody has to develop one's

own methodology and approach for analysis and predictions. So these sites are

useful as therotical guidelines but you have to form your own rules for

practical analysis.

 

Anyway it is a great site with rich information contents. Must visit for all the

astrology lovers in this forum.

 

Thanks

 

Anil

Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:13:31 +0000

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Dear friends,

There is very detailed discussion on these issues coverd in the

following site. Lyudmila suggested this site to me. Pleas see it is

very interesting.

http://www.bena.com/sherpa1/bpa/marriage/bCompati.htm

Inder

In , Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote:

> Dear Manoshi,

>

> I agree - if every observation , rule , Hypothesis could be

explained with live example, it proves the point better. I do not

have shortage of such examples. But the objective of the mail was to

put across my viewpoint on issues raised by Sanjay. I wanted to

clearly convey that Divorces and remarriages can be predicted and

can be avoided to an extent. Hence taking a very practical approach

about it would help our friends / clients in making their

matrimonial life smoother.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

> -

> Manoshi Chatterjee

>

> Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:58 AM

> Re: 2 MArriages: ??--> Anil

>

>

> Thanx Anil. Great posting. But it would be really nice if you

could give a few examples of chart, stating reasons what planetory

combinations or what other reasons lead to separation or second

marriage etc. I know you hold a responsible position at your work

place ,may not be having so much of time but still ....

>

> Hope not asking for too much.

>

> rgds

>

> Manoshi

>

>

>

> Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote:

> Dear All Group Members,

>

>

> I am giving below my thoughts on this complex subject. When I

started this hobby as astrologer 24 years back, I found it very

difficult to logically defied marriage as event. Then I formed my

own theory which has been working well for me. But I agree and

accept that some one can be having better approach than mine, which

I am willing to discuss. To make this posting more readable I am

giving it in form of questions and answers

>

> 1) What is the astrological definition of marriage ( according

to me )

>

> I have found out that three types of dates and timings can be

predicted.

>

> a) When you firmly decide to marry some one psychologically -

not just a superficial involvement , but something coming from deep

Inside. Some tender , emotional feeling - you feel like souls are

getting in tune etc etc. In short, you have psychologically

accepted someone as your life partner.

> b) When the marriage takes place legally. Say registrar or

Pundit declares the marriage as legal event.

> c) When the physical union happens.

>

> Now it is obvious that for every marriage all the events may

not happen. Like those who see their spouse first time only at the

time of marriage , or those who do not get married but stay

together as husband and wife or those who due to some problem are

not able to have physics relationship even once. ( There are complex

scenarios , I have cases when somebody had to travel on the evening

of marriage and died before any physical union could take place )

>

> 2) whether second or third marriage could be predicted ?

>

> Yes with almost 90 per cent cases one can predict whether

second or third marriage is going to be there . ( I am talking of

legal marriage and not those who may have / going to have exmartial

relationships )

>

> 3) whether divorce could be predicted and can efforts be made

to avoid it ?

>

> Certainly , Chance factor of divorce can be predicted. However

in most cases there is some limited scope by which it can be

avoided. I believe that every individual has been given a

bandwidth , leeway or scope by destiny in which by efforts ,

counseling and by remedies one can change fortune and therefore

divorce also can be avoided. I have helped many cases in avoiding

divorce. However whether divorce can be avoided depends on case to

case basis and difficult to generalize.

>

> 4) What about those who have more than one wife - Though most

of the communities do not allow it legally , I have few cases where

I have been able to map the start positions with multiple ( Legal )

marriages.

>

> 5) What about those who do not marry but stay as husband and

wife - This can be mapped to the star positions as well.

>

> The specific star positions responsible for above are beyond

scope of this posting. But I have many examples of Venus - Rahu

conjunction , Venus - Neptune , Hershel and Mars - conjunction ,

square and opposition, Saturn - Sun - Square and opposition in case

of female horoscopes compounded by other start positions responsible

for Martial disharmony which may lead to separation if other

conditions are suitable. Venus in Moola , Jyeshta , Kritika , Ardra

should be observed carefully.

>

> 6) Some other commonly found issues

>

> One can define period in which Husband and wife cannot stay

together.

>

> I have seen cases where both Husband and wife are

intelligent , Good family background but after marriage suddenly one

of them starts behaving like a schizophrenic as if he or she is

possessed or under some evil spirit. I have found Venus - Rahu or

Ketu conjunction along with bad aspects and positions of mercury

and / or Moon responsible for it.

>

> I have not considered other associated subjects like affairs ,

ex martial relationships , low moral and ethical value systems ,

sexual disorders which affect marriage eventually , as I consider

them more as psychological disorders although it gets manifested in

matrimonial disharmony.

>

> ( Astrology and Psychological and psychiatric disorder affect

martial harmony but it separate subject by itself and I am currently

writing a book on it based on the examples. If forum members are

interested I can do a posting on some topics - say which star

positions and aspects cause Anxiety , Phobia , Mania , Depression ,

Bipolar Disorder , Various types of schizophrenia , Personality

disorders etc )

>

> One point about which I am surprised that many south Indian

Astrologers are not willing to consider effects of Herschel ,

Neptune and Pluto even today. Though this could be a separate

discussion issue, I would not have been able to resolve many case

without considering these stars for issues involving marriage and

divorce.

>

> Anybody wanting to know more on above , please let me know.

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

> Anil Gogate

>

> -

> Manoshi Chatterjee

>

> Monday, April 05, 2004 3:48 PM

> Re: 2 MArriages: ??--> Anil

>

>

> Dear Anil,

>

> Waiting for more of your inputs on these issues

astrologically. You can tell this in more details to help the

learners. Thanx for the reply. we are all to learn here.

> Manoshi

>

> sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote:

> Dear Anil:

>

> :-).

>

> Take it easy Anil. Just my views on 1,2,3,4,5....

marriages. Thats

> all.

>

> There was a pattern, there is a pattern , there will

always be a

> pattern. But let us remember to focus INWARDS always. If

we focus

> INWARDS, we get the wisdom of the SELF to help us make

those wise

> decisions at crucial junctures in our life. If we focus

OUTWARDS,

> then we do not get the Wisdom of the SELF. (This is to put

it

> mildly).

>

> What is Parashara trying to tell us? 1,2, 3, 4 or 12th

house????

> What is he really trying to tell us?

>

> You wrote:

>

> >>To that extent showing flexibility , being

accommodative , taking

> >>help of counselors would help.

>

> The real TRUTH in my mind is this:

>

> The best practice is to become immersed within yourSELF.

We are not

> different from GOD, nor is GOD different from US. You are

not far

> away from GOD, nor is GOD far away from YOU. If you think

you are

> far away from GOD, that is due to the delusion of your own

mind. If

> you give the delusion of your mind to the Psychologists,

then

> whatever is left will be the SELF. Wont it? :-).

>

> 9th house is Bhagya, 10th is Karma , 11th is Karmon Ka

Phal....12th

> is Moksha... Beautiful... Isnt it??

>

> Just my views.

>

> Warm Regards.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

>

>

>

> On that, when you give your mind to a psychologist

>

> , Anil VSNL

<gogatea@v...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Sanjay,

> >

> > Why do you say so ? This is a astrological forum so we

should

> think only from astrological perspective. There is no

point is

> saying "All wives and all husbands are the same"

> >

> > I am not taking of any social , psychological or

physical

> approach. Only considering astrological perspective,

first marriage

> is determined by 7 th place , 7 th lord etc we know all

the

> theories , second from 9 th , Third from 11 th.

> >

> > I can give you atleast 50 cases wherein there was a

divorce /

> Death of spouse in first marriage , but are settled

happily in

> second marriage. There are few ( may be 5-6 ) where some

body got

> settled in third and also have a case where somebody had

three

> breaks and now 4 th marriage is running smooth.

> >

> > Many more things can be said on this aspect. But

unfortunately I

> have to rush for office. But I suggest you review what you

have said

> and then we can discuss.

> >

> > Lastly , I would just add by saying that it is not

necessary that

> all divorce indications from astrological perspective

would come

> true. There is some scope where in one can change / modify

what is

> written in destiny. To that extent showing flexibility ,

being

> accommodative , taking help of counselors would help.

> >

> > More of that later,

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Anil

> >

> >

> > -

> > Manoshi Chatterjee

> >

> > Monday, April 05, 2004 7:53 AM

> > Re: 2 MArriages: What determines good

and bad

> planets??

> >

> >

> > LOL

> >

> > Manoshi

> >

> > sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote:

> > All:

> >

> > Let me give my thoughts on two (3,4,5) marriages: It

may be a

> bit

> > off context. Or maybe not :-). But in any case,

these are my

> views:

> >

> > If you can relate to it its fine, if not its fine

too :-).

> >

> > If one seperates, one will want to remarry, and once

again one

> will

> > have the same problems.All wives and all husbands

are the

> same, so

> > dont change your husband or your wife. Change your

nature.

> Then

> > everything will be alright :-).

> >

> > Change your understanding. Dont destroy your family

life and

> home

> > because of petty conversations and quarrels. Instead

have self

> > control and discrimination. Forget the past; lead

your life in

> this

> > way, and within a moment everything will change.

> >

> > Do not let your home be destroyed for the sake of a

petty

> quarrel. A

> > husband and wife should have some discrimination and

should

> live

> > together with great joy!!.

> >

> > --Om Tat Sat

> > [[ Sanjay Aggarwal ]]

> > [[ jyotish_tat_sat ]]

> >

> >

> >

> > , Manoshi

Chatterjee

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > Dear Inder,

> > >

> > > Impressive predictions but for the sake of the

learners if

> you

> > could dissect it a little more and give the reasons

and

> planetory

> > combinations based on which you have made these

> predictions."two

> > marriages r definitely indicated." why do you say

that? etc.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Manoshi

> > >

> > > indervohra2001 <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > As no inputs from Ruchi, let me complete my brief

analysis:

> > > Lot of complicacy on married life, unless some

inputs are

> there ,

> > > very difficult/hazardous to make judgement.

> > > Two marriages are definatety indicated.

> > > During Mercury period, she will have very good

time with

> > > work/profession. May be good family business with

very good

> status.

> > > good luck.

> > > Inder

> > >

> > >

> > >

, "indervohra2001"

> > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > Dear Ruchi,

> > > >

> > > > Sun and Jupiter are beneficial planets for you.

> > > > Sat is to give mixed results.

> > > > Moon with Rahu is in 8th house and 9th sign.

This should

> be

> > giving

> > > > you agony, marital discord and ill health to

your mother,

> in the

> > > > current moon antra.

> > > > Sat is good in general but no way connected to

professin

> so no

> > > > career etc. Venus bhukti is bad as it is in sub

of Rahu

> giving

> > you

> > > > 8th house results, marriage problem.

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -- In , "Manas

Kumar"

> > > > <manaskumar@h...> wrote:

> > > > > as we read your reply, you make us stop,

reread many

> times and

> > > > then

> > > > > think! And, read again, before we read some

more!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Wow

> > > > >

> > > > > , ruchi

agrawal

> > > > > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:

> > > > > > hi, thanks for teh reply but u shd really

consider in

> > > > > > the light of facts that my twin sis ter is

divorced,

> > > > > > my mother is in abad shape and it was all

bcos of

> > > > > > planets as ascertained by somepple b4hand,

taht is the

> > > > > > reason i have started believeing in teh

malefic

> > > > > > influence of plantes,w hich has started to

touch my

> > > > > > life too,

> > > > > > -regards ruchi.

> > > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Ruchi:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We can make an analysis of which of your

planets are

> > > > > > > acting malefically,

> > > > > > > but it's crucial that you understand that

all

> > > > > > > Planets are good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > See, an earlier email I sent in today,

regarding the

> > > > > > > relative vs. the

> > > > > > > absolute goodness of the Planets.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are however, good rules in Jyotish

to help us

> > > > > > > understand which Planets

> > > > > > > are presently acting 'malefically'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your chart, even a quick glance shows

that your

> > > > > > > Jupiter is acting very

> > > > > > > Beneficially!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's in it's Own Sign, Pisces which is a

sign of

> > > > > > > great beneficness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your Saturn, however may be functioning

malefically,

> > > > > > > because it's in Cancer,

> > > > > > > and as such, it's placement there is a

sign of

> > > > > > > people who've been giving and

> > > > > > > giving and giving...from the past,

> > > > > > > too much...and now, they're born with that

habit

> > > > > > > ....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > of almost a kind of over-giving to others,

and

> > > > > > > sometimes to the detriment of

> > > > > > > yourself!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's easy to determine, however. Ask

yourself, do

> > > > > > > you have this strongly

> > > > > > > giving nature, but give enough to yourself?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The other way of telling is checking your

life's

> > > > > > > experiences. Do you feel

> > > > > > > any grief? Do you feel any imbalance

especially as

> > > > > > > related to giving to

> > > > > > > others?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sometimes, people with Saturn in Cancer,

have the

> > > > > > > habit of giving, which is

> > > > > > > very symbolic of Cancer, but Saturn there,

means

> > > > > > > lessons associated with

> > > > > > > 'over-giving'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Where Saturn gets placed in our charts,

for many

> > > > > > > people, shows where we've

> > > > > > > been out of balance in the past, and we're

hear to

> > > > > > > learn this....hence, we

> > > > > > > get the functioning malefic Saturn!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To reflect on your point too, you need to

get a job,

> > > > > > > this is a very

> > > > > > > Saturnian effect, delay and disappointment

due to

> > > > > > > lack of...something, and

> > > > > > > in this case work!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is a fairly common complaint right

now, because

> > > > > > > we're in the tail end

> > > > > > > of a Saturn induced mini-recession that's

been going

> > > > > > > on since 1999, and

> > > > > > > 2000, when Jupiter & Saturn collided in the

> > > > > > > Transits, sky.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But, now, Jupiter's finally getting to a

point where

> > > > > > > it's beginning to

> > > > > > > finally pull away from Saturn, so in the

next 8 to

> > > > > > > 12 months things should

> > > > > > > improve dramatically.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You should have a formal reading to

determine when

> > > > > > > the Saturn break may come

> > > > > > > for you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Though for right now, I can suggest, do

some things

> > > > > > > that will help you

> > > > > > > strengthen that same Saturn. Saturn is

Nature

> > > > > > > trying to tell us we've

> > > > > > > gotten out of balance...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, do some things to get more in-tune with

> > > > > > > yourself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Meditate, get more rest, daily, watch the

Moon

> > > > > > > cycle, Waxing and Waning,

> > > > > > > aspire to be more in-tune with the Moon,

and all,

> > > > > > > Jyotish cycles.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All of these will help your Saturn,

immensely!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good luck.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mark Kincaid

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "parvatishankar"

<parvatishankar>

> > > > > > > >

 

> > > > > > > > Fri, 02 Apr 2004 05:05:59 -0000

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: What determines good

and bad

> > > > > > > planets??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > "ruchiagrawal_28"

> > > > > > > > <ruchiagrawal_28> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> Hi all,

> > > > > > > >> I have been studying astrology for

quite some

> > > > > > > time and paid big

> > > > > > > >> money to undersatnd it however, can

anyone really

> > > > > > > tell me which are

> > > > > > > >> my good planets and which r bad ones, i

do not

> > > > > > > somehow manage to

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > >> a job- so the remedy for taht would be

alos

> > > > > > > appreciated , my

> > > > > > > > details

> > > > > > > >> are-ra, born on 28th dec 1975, tiime

11:08am at

> > > > > > > agra,

> > > > > > > >> thanks a lot.

> > > > > > > >> -ruchi.

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Hi Anil & Inder,

Thanks for pointing such a excellent site for beginner like me.

You are the best.

I joined this group to learn this complex subject.This site will

be good starting point for me.

Please do share such type of sites.

I found that you know too much (step 7) and I am beginner (step 1)

Please help beginner like me learning astology.

warm Regrads

Shalu

, gogatea@v... wrote:

> Dear Inder,

>

> I knew this site. Infact the parent site has superb discussions on

fundamentals of Vedic astrology. I am giving below the link.

>

> http://www.bena.com/sherpa1/bpa/bAstrHom.htm

>

> However for beginners and learners , the basic difficulty is how to

apply these principles to particular situations they come across in

the horoscopes they study ? and there is no easy answer for that and

everybody has to develop one's own methodology and approach for

analysis and predictions. So these sites are useful as therotical

guidelines but you have to form your own rules for practical analysis.

>

> Anyway it is a great site with rich information contents. Must

visit for all the astrology lovers in this forum.

>

> Thanks

>

> Anil

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