Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Om Tat Sat. Thanks for your kind words. Warm Regards. --Sanjay Aggarwal , Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote: > Sanjay, > > Tell me something. You talk about LEAVING EGO...etc. I am sorry to ask this but have you left your EGO ? I feel to leave yr EGO for God is something else and to leave your EGO for a person living in this world is different...no? > I am sorry but lets talk about you for a second...:-) > If say you are hurt by someone..(knowingly/unknowingly) or may be had some serious arguements with someone, you used to treasure that realtionship or may be not , You would show yr feelings that time, show your anger ..its natural as a humanbeing...but do YOU leave your EGO and go back? Do you? > > I dont know if you do it or not but its hard for me . > > Manoshi > > > > > sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote: > I have only one reply to this: > > If you really want to love others, if you really want to help them, > first you should efface yourself; you should destroy the petty EGO > that seperates you fromothers and from GOD. > > I quote MANSUR MASTANA>> I repeat: "Mansur Mastana": > > "Totally annihilate yourself if you want to acquire DIVINITY". > > Unless you efface yourSELF, you will never be able to find GOD. It > is only when a seed has annihilated itself in the soil that it grows > and produces beautiful FLOWERS and FRUITS. In the same way, it is > only when you discard your limited EGO that you will be able to > TRULY love. > > The seed of the world is "I", SUPREME TRUTH., Consciousness, and it > is the same for everybody. It belongs equally to ALL. I > repeat "EQUALLY TO ALL". The Consciousness exists within itself, and > in the same measure it exists in us and in everyone - in you, in me, > in Buddha, in Mohammed, in Moses, in JESUS. > > --Om Tat Sat > > > > , "diana" <diana22@a...> > wrote: > > FAQ about Islam > > (Frequently Asked Questions) > > Who is Allah? > > Allah means God. It is a personal name, which Allah calls Himself > in the Koran. That is where we get it. It can also be found in an > Aramaic copy of the Bible, and even Christian Arabs say Allah. > > Who is Jesus to us? > > Jesus peace be upon Him is a true prophet. Sent by Allah like > Moses, Abraham, Lot, Noah, Jonah, Joseph …etc. > > Who were Jesus's parents? > > Jesus is the son of Virgin Mary, and he had no father. Allah > created Jesus. > > Can Jesus, or Mohammed peace be upon them be worshipped? > > No, Allah does not accept that a cow, a person, an angel, a > prophet, a stone, or anything be worshipped in place of him, or even > along with Him. Worship must be to Allah the creator of them. > > Is Allah the same as what Christians call the father? > > Allah is the creator who Jesus worshipped. He is the Creator who > spoke to Moses, and split the sea for Moses, and his followers. That > is Allah. But Allah tells us: "Say Allah is one, He is Perfect, He > has never begotten, nor was He begott, and there is no one equal to > Him". > > Is there a trinity in Islam? > > No. Allah is perfect. > > Do we believe that Allah created the heavens and earth in 6 days? > > Yes, but He did not rest on the seventh day, because He did not > get tired. Allah is perfect He does not get tired, nor does He > sleep, eat, go to the bathroom, feel pain, or die for that matter. > > Can we see Allah? > > Allah is not like the sun. Anyone can see the Sun. But Allah is > the most beautiful. Nothing is as beautiful as Allah. Actually > looking at Allah is the greatest pleasure of the people in Pradise. > This pleasure Allah does not give anyone but the believers. So no > one will see Allah before he dies. > > Does Allah see us? > > Allah sees us, and knows everything about us. He knows us better > than we know ourselves. There is not a leaf on a tree that blows > away, or stays in its place except that He knows it. There is not a > dry spot, nor a wet spot, nor a grain in the depths of the earth > except that Allah knows it. > > Do we have free will? > > Yes, of course. Allah does not punish us for something we did not > do on our own. But at the same time, our will is not inspire of > Allah's will. We cannot do anything if Allah will not allow it. In > other words nothing goes on in Allah's kingdom without His will. > > Did Allah create Evil? > > Yes, Allah created the good, and the bad. Whatever bad happens to > us is due to our sins. We sin and Allah pardons much of what we do; > however, when something bad happens to us it is our fault, and we > are to blame. Bad things that happen to a person are a chance for > that person to reflect, and ask: "Why is this happening to me?" A > chance for a person to return from his sin, and obey, and worship > Allah. > > Do bad things happen to the believers (good people)? > > Yes, they do. But they appear bad to the believers cause they are > things people don't like. Who likes breaking a leg? However, when a > bad thing happens to a believer this believer is patient. He praises > Allah in all circumstances. He knows Allah does not decree something > unless it is for his own good. > > But how can breaking a leg are good for a beleiver? > > Because it is a chance for the believer to think about what he did > wrong. > > Also because Allah forgives much of what we do, but those things > we are not forgiven, they are forgiven due to our patience when we > are struck by a calamity. Allah gives us better reward when a > problem strikes us on earth if we are patient. This reward can be on > earth, and it can be in Heaven. > > Does Allah hear my prayers? > > Yes. > > Does Allah answer my prayers? > > We know that Allah answers all the prayers of the believers. This > can be in 4 ways: > > 1- Get what we are asking for! > > 2- Get something as good or better! > > 3- We get spared something bad that would have happened otherwise. > > 4- We get rewarded on the day of Judgment with a much greater > reward than what we were asking for on earth. > > When does Allah not answer our prayers? > > * When it is bad for us! > > * When we ask, but not from our heart! > > * When we say: I asked and asked and He did not answer. > > * When we eat, drink, and wear unlawful, food, and clothes, and > property that wa earned either through interest from the bank, or > that was stolen, or if the food was pork, or the like. > > What can I ask of Allah? > > Any thing but don't ask Him to do things like make you a prophet. > Cause He has already said that there will be no more prophets. > > You can ask Allah for guidance. Meaning you can ask Him to show > you the correct religion. > > Who are my best friends? > > Your best friends are the ones that care where you go after you > are dead. This is like the prophets. They cared that we go to > heaven, even if it meant some hardship on earth. > > Who is my worst enemy? > > That would be the devils, whether they are human devils (evil > people), or Jinn devils (like Iblis) The Arabic word for a devil is > Shaytan (similar to Satan). Satan wants us all to go to hell. He > wants us to be bad on earth, even if we get rich, or do lots of > wrong things that we appear to enjoy, he does not mind that. But he > wants to make sure we don't go to heaven. > > What is it that keeps us from entering Heaven? > > Worship of anyone other than Allah is the greatest sin. It is > called shirk, and this is not forgiven except through repentance. > > Where is Allah? > > Allah is the highest. He is high above ALL of His creation. He is > ascended upon a Throne, which is greater than the heavens, and the > Earth. Much much much greater than the heavens and the earth. So > much greater that the heavens and the earth could fit in the > footstool of the throne, and they would be like a ring thrown into > an open desert. Allah is certainly the greatest. > > Does Allah look like us? > > No Allah is perfect. He is not like any of His creation. He has > told us that He has Hands, Eyes, a Face, and Foot. But all of these > attributes are befitting to His might and Glory. > > A Muslim does not say a single thing about Allah other than what > Allah says about Himself. We don't say He is like a clover, He got > tired, He is Jealous! > > Allah is Perfect, and Unique. > > What does it mean to believe in Allah? > > It means to believe in Allah in total perfection, and uniqueness. > > It means to believe in His prophets cause they are His, and He > sent them. We cannot pick and choose. A Muslim must believe in all > the prophets of Allah. > > It means to believe in the Angles! We must love them all, we > cannot hate an Angel say, for example, to hate Michael who is > charged with rain, and the vegetation of the Earth, or Gabriel who > is charged with revelation (brings down the scriptures to the > prophets). > > It means to believe in Allah's predestination of good, and bad > (relative to us, but to Allah everything Allah does is good). > > It means to believe in the last day: The day of Judgment. > > When is the Day of Judgment? > > Only Allah knows. > > Are there signs for the day of Judgment? > > Plenty, plenty, plenty. Many have already occurred. > > To name a few, > > Objects will begin to talk. > > There will be much killing. The killer won't know why he killed, > and the guy that was killed won't know why he was killed. > > The Antichrist will come. > > Prophet Jesus son of Mary will return. > > Gog and Magog will be set free. > > The sun will rise from the west (after this one there can be no > more repentance) > > What about non-Muslims do they go to heaven? > > Allah only accepts Islam. He says in the Koran: "Whoever seeks a > religion other than Islam it won't be accepted of him, and he will > be one of the loosers in the hereafter". I would rather loose > anywhere, but not loose in the hereafter. This is because Hellfire > is eternal. It never ends, and we never die when we go there, if we > go there. > > What about someone who never heard of Islam? > > Allah is the most just. Don't even think that we can be nicer than > Allah. Allah is the Most Just, and He said in the Koran "We were not > to punish till having sent a warner". The "We" here is the majestic > we used in Arabic. So if a person never heard about Islam, and was > never warned clearly Allah would have a special test for that person > that He knows is equal to the chance that person would have had on > earth. > > How do we know Islam is the truth? > > It is the only religion that: > > 1- Hold Allah as One, Unique, and Perfect. > > 2- A lonly worship of Allah, not Jesus, not an idol, and not an > angel only Allah. > > 3- The Koran does not contain contradictions. > > 4- The Koran contains scientific facts, which are 1300 years ahead > of their time. The Koran while revealed 1400 years ago contains > scientific facts, which are only now being discovered. It is not in > contradiction to science. > > 5- Allah challenges the world to produce the like of the Koran. > And He says they won't be able to. > > 6- Prophet Mohammed was the most influential man in History. Even > a non-Muslim wrote a book called the 100 most influential men in > History, and Prophet Mohammed was #1. Prophet Jesus was #3. Note > even Prophet Jesus was a prophet sent by Allah. Would Allah allow a > false prophet to be so successful? No. Even the Bible says this in > Deuteronomy 18:19. A false prophet would die!!! Yet Prophet Mohammed > did not die till he completely conveyed, and taught Allah's religion. > > 7- He had many prophecies, and all of his prophecies have come > true, or are still coming true. > > Most importantly is this: > > Allah created us, and we know that we should only worship Him. > This is an instinct Allah has created us with. He did not just leave > us, rather He sent prophets for us. These prophets had miracles as > proof. The miracle for us today is the Koran. There is no other > religion that worships only Allah, and believes in Him as totally > perfect, and believes in all of His prophets, and scriptures. > > Can anyone become a Muslim? > > Yes anyone can. There are two declarations, which are necessary: > > 1- To bear witness that no one deserves to be worship except Allah > > 2- To bear witness that Prophet Mohammed is the Messenger of Allah. > > This makes a person Muslim. But it should be said in Arabic. Next > a person takes a shower, and He/She is a Muslim. > > Then What? > > After a person becomes Muslim he/she is taught about Prayers, > Fasting, the Poor due, Pilgrimage. These are pillars of Islam. > > Then What? > > Muslims are brothers. A Muslim should love for his brother what he > loves for himself. Allah's wealth does not run out, and Allah can > provide for us all. We pray for each other, and love each other, and > love for our brothers and sisters what we love for ourselves. > > > > > > > > For more information about Islam: > > http://www.geocities.com/toislamways/new3.html > > > > To contact us: > > iaslamq_a@g... > > > > To Request Free Islamic Books & Resources: > > imanwayibaw@g... > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 regards Manoshisanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology > wrote: Om Tat Sat.Thanks for your kind words.Warm Regards.--Sanjay Aggarwal--- In , Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote:> Sanjay,> > Tell me something. You talk about LEAVING EGO...etc. I am sorry to ask this but have you left your EGO ? I feel to leave yr EGO for God is something else and to leave your EGO for a person living in this world is different...no?> I am sorry but lets talk about you for a second...:-)> If say you are hurt by someone..(knowingly/unknowingly) or may be had some serious arguements with someone, you used to treasure that realtionship or may be not , You would show yr feelings that time, show your anger ..its natural as a humanbeing...but do YOU leave your EGO and go back? Do you? > > I dont know if you do it or not but its hard for me . > > Manoshi> > > > > sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote:> I have only one reply to this:> > If you really want to love others, if you really want to help them, > first you should efface yourself; you should destroy the petty EGO > that seperates you fromothers and from GOD. > > I quote MANSUR MASTANA>> I repeat: "Mansur Mastana":> > "Totally annihilate yourself if you want to acquire DIVINITY". > > Unless you efface yourSELF, you will never be able to find GOD. It > is only when a seed has annihilated itself in the soil that it grows > and produces beautiful FLOWERS and FRUITS. In the same way, it is > only when you discard your limited EGO that you will be able to > TRULY love.> > The seed of the world is "I", SUPREME TRUTH., Consciousness, and it > is the same for everybody. It belongs equally to ALL. I > repeat "EQUALLY TO ALL". The Consciousness exists within itself, and > in the same measure it exists in us and in everyone - in you, in me, > in Buddha, in Mohammed, in Moses, in JESUS.> > --Om Tat Sat> > > > --- In , "diana" <diana22@a...> > wrote:> > FAQ about Islam> > (Frequently Asked Questions)> > Who is Allah?> > Allah means God. It is a personal name, which Allah calls Himself > in the Koran. That is where we get it. It can also be found in an > Aramaic copy of the Bible, and even Christian Arabs say Allah.> > Who is Jesus to us?> > Jesus peace be upon Him is a true prophet. Sent by Allah like > Moses, Abraham, Lot, Noah, Jonah, Joseph …etc.> > Who were Jesus's parents?> > Jesus is the son of Virgin Mary, and he had no father. Allah > created Jesus.> > Can Jesus, or Mohammed peace be upon them be worshipped?> > No, Allah does not accept that a cow, a person, an angel, a > prophet, a stone, or anything be worshipped in place of him, or even > along with Him. Worship must be to Allah the creator of them.> > Is Allah the same as what Christians call the father?> > Allah is the creator who Jesus worshipped. He is the Creator who > spoke to Moses, and split the sea for Moses, and his followers. That > is Allah. But Allah tells us: "Say Allah is one, He is Perfect, He > has never begotten, nor was He begott, and there is no one equal to > Him".> > Is there a trinity in Islam?> > No. Allah is perfect.> > Do we believe that Allah created the heavens and earth in 6 days?> > Yes, but He did not rest on the seventh day, because He did not > get tired. Allah is perfect He does not get tired, nor does He > sleep, eat, go to the bathroom, feel pain, or die for that matter.> > Can we see Allah?> > Allah is not like the sun. Anyone can see the Sun. But Allah is > the most beautiful. Nothing is as beautiful as Allah. Actually > looking at Allah is the greatest pleasure of the people in Pradise. > This pleasure Allah does not give anyone but the believers. So no > one will see Allah before he dies.> > Does Allah see us?> > Allah sees us, and knows everything about us. He knows us better > than we know ourselves. There is not a leaf on a tree that blows > away, or stays in its place except that He knows it. There is not a > dry spot, nor a wet spot, nor a grain in the depths of the earth > except that Allah knows it.> > Do we have free will?> > Yes, of course. Allah does not punish us for something we did not > do on our own. But at the same time, our will is not inspire of > Allah's will. We cannot do anything if Allah will not allow it. In > other words nothing goes on in Allah's kingdom without His will.> > Did Allah create Evil?> > Yes, Allah created the good, and the bad. Whatever bad happens to > us is due to our sins. We sin and Allah pardons much of what we do; > however, when something bad happens to us it is our fault, and we > are to blame. Bad things that happen to a person are a chance for > that person to reflect, and ask: "Why is this happening to me?" A > chance for a person to return from his sin, and obey, and worship > Allah. > > Do bad things happen to the believers (good people)?> > Yes, they do. But they appear bad to the believers cause they are > things people don't like. Who likes breaking a leg? However, when a > bad thing happens to a believer this believer is patient. He praises > Allah in all circumstances. He knows Allah does not decree something > unless it is for his own good. > > But how can breaking a leg are good for a beleiver?> > Because it is a chance for the believer to think about what he did > wrong.> > Also because Allah forgives much of what we do, but those things > we are not forgiven, they are forgiven due to our patience when we > are struck by a calamity. Allah gives us better reward when a > problem strikes us on earth if we are patient. This reward can be on > earth, and it can be in Heaven.> > Does Allah hear my prayers?> > Yes.> > Does Allah answer my prayers?> > We know that Allah answers all the prayers of the believers. This > can be in 4 ways:> > 1- Get what we are asking for!> > 2- Get something as good or better!> > 3- We get spared something bad that would have happened otherwise.> > 4- We get rewarded on the day of Judgment with a much greater > reward than what we were asking for on earth.> > When does Allah not answer our prayers?> > * When it is bad for us!> > * When we ask, but not from our heart!> > * When we say: I asked and asked and He did not answer.> > * When we eat, drink, and wear unlawful, food, and clothes, and > property that wa earned either through interest from the bank, or > that was stolen, or if the food was pork, or the like.> > What can I ask of Allah?> > Any thing but don't ask Him to do things like make you a prophet. > Cause He has already said that there will be no more prophets.> > You can ask Allah for guidance. Meaning you can ask Him to show > you the correct religion.> > Who are my best friends?> > Your best friends are the ones that care where you go after you > are dead. This is like the prophets. They cared that we go to > heaven, even if it meant some hardship on earth.> > Who is my worst enemy?> > That would be the devils, whether they are human devils (evil > people), or Jinn devils (like Iblis) The Arabic word for a devil is > Shaytan (similar to Satan). Satan wants us all to go to hell. He > wants us to be bad on earth, even if we get rich, or do lots of > wrong things that we appear to enjoy, he does not mind that. But he > wants to make sure we don't go to heaven.> > What is it that keeps us from entering Heaven?> > Worship of anyone other than Allah is the greatest sin. It is > called shirk, and this is not forgiven except through repentance.> > Where is Allah?> > Allah is the highest. He is high above ALL of His creation. He is > ascended upon a Throne, which is greater than the heavens, and the > Earth. Much much much greater than the heavens and the earth. So > much greater that the heavens and the earth could fit in the > footstool of the throne, and they would be like a ring thrown into > an open desert. Allah is certainly the greatest.> > Does Allah look like us?> > No Allah is perfect. He is not like any of His creation. He has > told us that He has Hands, Eyes, a Face, and Foot. But all of these > attributes are befitting to His might and Glory.> > A Muslim does not say a single thing about Allah other than what > Allah says about Himself. We don't say He is like a clover, He got > tired, He is Jealous!> > Allah is Perfect, and Unique.> > What does it mean to believe in Allah?> > It means to believe in Allah in total perfection, and uniqueness.> > It means to believe in His prophets cause they are His, and He > sent them. We cannot pick and choose. A Muslim must believe in all > the prophets of Allah.> > It means to believe in the Angles! We must love them all, we > cannot hate an Angel say, for example, to hate Michael who is > charged with rain, and the vegetation of the Earth, or Gabriel who > is charged with revelation (brings down the scriptures to the > prophets).> > It means to believe in Allah's predestination of good, and bad > (relative to us, but to Allah everything Allah does is good).> > It means to believe in the last day: The day of Judgment.> > When is the Day of Judgment?> > Only Allah knows.> > Are there signs for the day of Judgment?> > Plenty, plenty, plenty. Many have already occurred.> > To name a few,> > Objects will begin to talk.> > There will be much killing. The killer won't know why he killed, > and the guy that was killed won't know why he was killed.> > The Antichrist will come.> > Prophet Jesus son of Mary will return.> > Gog and Magog will be set free.> > The sun will rise from the west (after this one there can be no > more repentance)> > What about non-Muslims do they go to heaven?> > Allah only accepts Islam. He says in the Koran: "Whoever seeks a > religion other than Islam it won't be accepted of him, and he will > be one of the loosers in the hereafter". I would rather loose > anywhere, but not loose in the hereafter. This is because Hellfire > is eternal. It never ends, and we never die when we go there, if we > go there.> > What about someone who never heard of Islam?> > Allah is the most just. Don't even think that we can be nicer than > Allah. Allah is the Most Just, and He said in the Koran "We were not > to punish till having sent a warner". The "We" here is the majestic > we used in Arabic. So if a person never heard about Islam, and was > never warned clearly Allah would have a special test for that person > that He knows is equal to the chance that person would have had on > earth.> > How do we know Islam is the truth?> > It is the only religion that:> > 1- Hold Allah as One, Unique, and Perfect. > > 2- A lonly worship of Allah, not Jesus, not an idol, and not an > angel only Allah.> > 3- The Koran does not contain contradictions.> > 4- The Koran contains scientific facts, which are 1300 years ahead > of their time. The Koran while revealed 1400 years ago contains > scientific facts, which are only now being discovered. It is not in > contradiction to science.> > 5- Allah challenges the world to produce the like of the Koran. > And He says they won't be able to.> > 6- Prophet Mohammed was the most influential man in History. Even > a non-Muslim wrote a book called the 100 most influential men in > History, and Prophet Mohammed was #1. Prophet Jesus was #3. Note > even Prophet Jesus was a prophet sent by Allah. Would Allah allow a > false prophet to be so successful? No. Even the Bible says this in > Deuteronomy 18:19. A false prophet would die!!! Yet Prophet Mohammed > did not die till he completely conveyed, and taught Allah's religion.> > 7- He had many prophecies, and all of his prophecies have come > true, or are still coming true.> > Most importantly is this:> > Allah created us, and we know that we should only worship Him. > This is an instinct Allah has created us with. He did not just leave > us, rather He sent prophets for us. These prophets had miracles as > proof. The miracle for us today is the Koran. There is no other > religion that worships only Allah, and believes in Him as totally > perfect, and believes in all of His prophets, and scriptures.> > Can anyone become a Muslim?> > Yes anyone can. There are two declarations, which are necessary:> > 1- To bear witness that no one deserves to be worship except Allah> > 2- To bear witness that Prophet Mohammed is the Messenger of Allah.> > This makes a person Muslim. But it should be said in Arabic. Next > a person takes a shower, and He/She is a Muslim.> > Then What?> > After a person becomes Muslim he/she is taught about Prayers, > Fasting, the Poor due, Pilgrimage. These are pillars of Islam.> > Then What?> > Muslims are brothers. A Muslim should love for his brother what he > loves for himself. Allah's wealth does not run out, and Allah can > provide for us all. We pray for each other, and love each other, and > love for our brothers and sisters what we love for ourselves.> > > > > > > > For more information about Islam: > > http://www.geocities.com/toislamways/new3.html> > > > To contact us: > > iaslamq_a@g... > > > > To Request Free Islamic Books & Resources: > > imanwayibaw@g...> > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Dear Manoshi, I'm sure Sanjay will speak for himself, but if I may say something... Yes, indeed it is extremely hard to let go of your ego, for anyone. And by "ego", I don't mean the normal English usage of that word, but rather, the sense of "I", "me", "myself" - that "I" am an entity that is separate from the rest of what I'll call the "Not I", which is the rest of the world. THAT is what we all need to let go of, and that is the most difficult thing in the world to do. Forget the spiritual arguments for a moment. When you think about this from a rational perspective, it doesn't make sense as to why we feel that we are separate from the world. We would literally DIE if we were separated from our environment!! (A minute or 2 without breathing, perhaps days without water etc.) The physical composition of our body is constantly changing, and there is no one physical aspect or component of our body that is a constant throughout our lifes, when you look at the microscopic level. In fact, the longest lived cell in our bodies only lives for 7 years, which means that in a 7 year window, EVERY single cell in your body is different from what you started out with! Even our prized brain does not stay the same throughout our lives, so now who really IS this "I"? When someone does reach that stage, then the distinction of God vs a person living in this world is gone, because all that he/she sees is God, in every person or thing. I remember a story about a Sadhu that Sri Ramakrishna once told - a misguided man beat up the Sadhu due to a misunderstanding, and one of the Sadhu's disciples rescued him from this man. Later, the disciple asks the Sadhu, "Sir, how do you feel? Do you know who I am?" and the Sadhu answered with a smile,"Of course I know who you are. You hit me, and then you bandaged my wounds. You are flying in the sky over there and swimming in this pond here, and you are speaking to yourself now." The example that you gave in your posting is, in Jesus's words, "of this world and not of my father's". There is a big difference between swallowing your pride, and the removal of the "I" feeling. I'm not explaining this right ... let me try again. When you give up the ego in the spiritual sense, you will not seek retaliation, nor will you let negative emotions like anger or hatred to last for a long time. That doesn't mean you have to put up with nonsense :-), or that you should let people abuse you. I used to work with domestic violence victims, and this was a very important distinction. Am I making sense? Feel free to email me directly if you'd like. Sorry for barging into this discussion! :-) Venkatarama , Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote: > Sanjay, > > Tell me something. You talk about LEAVING EGO...etc. I am sorry to ask this but have you left your EGO ? I feel to leave yr EGO for God is something else and to leave your EGO for a person living in this world is different...no? > I am sorry but lets talk about you for a second...:-) > If say you are hurt by someone..(knowingly/unknowingly) or may be had some serious arguements with someone, you used to treasure that realtionship or may be not , You would show yr feelings that time, show your anger ..its natural as a humanbeing...but do YOU leave your EGO and go back? Do you? > > I dont know if you do it or not but its hard for me . > > Manoshi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 I think it's actually possible and okay to have a strong sense of individuality while also having an equally strong sense of unity. I say this from the point of view of someone for whom boundaries are very fluid (I've always been extremely aware of how we are all linked, all part of each other and the wider universe...all of which is contained within ourselves too) and has had to learn to define some sort of individuation too. Unity is our natural state, but we need a sense of "I" to survive in the world of day to day living. On 31/3/04 7:59 pm, "venkatarama_sastry" <venkatarama_sastry wrote: > Yes, indeed it is extremely hard to let go of your ego, for anyone. > And by "ego", I don't mean the normal English usage of that word, > but rather, the sense of "I", "me", "myself" - that "I" am an entity > that is separate from the rest of what I'll call the "Not I", which > is the rest of the world. THAT is what we all need to let go of, and > that is the most difficult thing in the world to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Flick: You just bought Parshara Light software. Can I ask how much it cost and it's uses. Thx Raman Flick [rubysun (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com]Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:57 PMSubject: Re: Re: Frequently Asked Questions-->SanjayI think it's actually possible and okay to have a strong sense ofindividuality while also having an equally strong sense of unity. I say thisfrom the point of view of someone for whom boundaries are very fluid (I'vealways been extremely aware of how we are all linked, all part of each otherand the wider universe...all of which is contained within ourselves too) andhas had to learn to define some sort of individuation too. Unity is ournatural state, but we need a sense of "I" to survive in the world of day today living.On 31/3/04 7:59 pm, "venkatarama_sastry" <venkatarama_sastry >wrote:> Yes, indeed it is extremely hard to let go of your ego, for anyone.> And by "ego", I don't mean the normal English usage of that word,> but rather, the sense of "I", "me", "myself" - that "I" am an entity> that is separate from the rest of what I'll call the "Not I", which> is the rest of the world. THAT is what we all need to let go of, and> that is the most difficult thing in the world to do. ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Its a wonderful explanation you have given. Spriritually and practically very meaningful. I appreciate it. Thanks Regards Manoshivenkatarama_sastry <venkatarama_sastry > wrote: Dear Manoshi,I'm sure Sanjay will speak for himself, but if I may say something... Yes, indeed it is extremely hard to let go of your ego, for anyone. And by "ego", I don't mean the normal English usage of that word, but rather, the sense of "I", "me", "myself" - that "I" am an entity that is separate from the rest of what I'll call the "Not I", which is the rest of the world. THAT is what we all need to let go of, and that is the most difficult thing in the world to do. Forget the spiritual arguments for a moment. When you think about this from a rational perspective, it doesn't make sense as to why we feel that we are separate from the world. We would literally DIE if we were separated from our environment!! (A minute or 2 without breathing, perhaps days without water etc.) The physical composition of our body is constantly changing, and there is no one physical aspect or component of our body that is a constant throughout our lifes, when you look at the microscopic level. In fact, the longest lived cell in our bodies only lives for 7 years, which means that in a 7 year window, EVERY single cell in your body is different from what you started out with! Even our prized brain does not stay the same throughout our lives, so now who really IS this "I"? When someone does reach that stage, then the distinction of God vs a person living in this world is gone, because all that he/she sees is God, in every person or thing. I remember a story about a Sadhu that Sri Ramakrishna once told - a misguided man beat up the Sadhu due to a misunderstanding, and one of the Sadhu's disciples rescued him from this man. Later, the disciple asks the Sadhu, "Sir, how do you feel? Do you know who I am?" and the Sadhu answered with a smile,"Of course I know who you are. You hit me, and then you bandaged my wounds. You are flying in the sky over there and swimming in this pond here, and you are speaking to yourself now." The example that you gave in your posting is, in Jesus's words, "of this world and not of my father's". There is a big difference between swallowing your pride, and the removal of the "I" feeling. I'm not explaining this right ... let me try again. When you give up the ego in the spiritual sense, you will not seek retaliation, nor will you let negative emotions like anger or hatred to last for a long time. That doesn't mean you have to put up with nonsense :-), or that you should let people abuse you. I used to work with domestic violence victims, and this was a very important distinction. Am I making sense? Feel free to email me directly if you'd like. Sorry for barging into this discussion! :-)Venkatarama --- In , Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote:> Sanjay,> > Tell me something. You talk about LEAVING EGO...etc. I am sorry to ask this but have you left your EGO ? I feel to leave yr EGO for God is something else and to leave your EGO for a person living in this world is different...no?> I am sorry but lets talk about you for a second...:-)> If say you are hurt by someone..(knowingly/unknowingly) or may be had some serious arguements with someone, you used to treasure that realtionship or may be not , You would show yr feelings that time, show your anger ..its natural as a humanbeing...but do YOU leave your EGO and go back? Do you? > > I dont know if you do it or not but its hard for me . > > Manoshi> ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ banner|**| --> Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Jesus said " By losing yourself you shall find yourself; by dying you shall live". When a seed is sown in the earth, it loses its individuality inside the earth.Yet after a while it sprouts and becomes a beautiful plant. Only by losing its individuality can the seed grow into a plant. In the same way, only by merging our limiting EGO into the SELF can we grow into the SELF. --Om Tat Sat [[sanjay Aggarwal]] , "venkatarama_sastry" <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > Dear Manoshi, > > I'm sure Sanjay will speak for himself, but if I may say > something... > > Yes, indeed it is extremely hard to let go of your ego, for anyone. > And by "ego", I don't mean the normal English usage of that word, > but rather, the sense of "I", "me", "myself" - that "I" am an entity > that is separate from the rest of what I'll call the "Not I", which > is the rest of the world. THAT is what we all need to let go of, and > that is the most difficult thing in the world to do. > > Forget the spiritual arguments for a moment. When you think about > this from a rational perspective, it doesn't make sense as to why we > feel that we are separate from the world. We would literally DIE if > we were separated from our environment!! (A minute or 2 without > breathing, perhaps days without water etc.) The physical composition > of our body is constantly changing, and there is no one physical > aspect or component of our body that is a constant throughout our > lifes, when you look at the microscopic level. In fact, the longest > lived cell in our bodies only lives for 7 years, which means that in > a 7 year window, EVERY single cell in your body is different from > what you started out with! Even our prized brain does not stay the > same throughout our lives, so now who really IS this "I"? > > When someone does reach that stage, then the distinction of God vs a > person living in this world is gone, because all that he/she sees is > God, in every person or thing. I remember a story about a Sadhu that > Sri Ramakrishna once told - a misguided man beat up the Sadhu due to > a misunderstanding, and one of the Sadhu's disciples rescued him > from this man. Later, the disciple asks the Sadhu, "Sir, how do you > feel? Do you know who I am?" and the Sadhu answered with a smile,"Of > course I know who you are. You hit me, and then you bandaged my > wounds. You are flying in the sky over there and swimming in this > pond here, and you are speaking to yourself now." > > The example that you gave in your posting is, in Jesus's words, "of > this world and not of my father's". There is a big difference > between swallowing your pride, and the removal of the "I" feeling. > I'm not explaining this right ... let me try again. When you give up > the ego in the spiritual sense, you will not seek retaliation, nor > will you let negative emotions like anger or hatred to last for a > long time. That doesn't mean you have to put up with nonsense :-), > or that you should let people abuse you. I used to work with > domestic violence victims, and this was a very important > distinction. Am I making sense? Feel free to email me directly if > you'd like. > > Sorry for barging into this discussion! :-) > Venkatarama > > , Manoshi Chatterjee > <khallopapa> wrote: > > Sanjay, > > > > Tell me something. You talk about LEAVING EGO...etc. I am sorry to > ask this but have you left your EGO ? I feel to leave yr EGO for God > is something else and to leave your EGO for a person living in this > world is different...no? > > I am sorry but lets talk about you for a second...:-) > > If say you are hurt by someone..(knowingly/unknowingly) or may be > had some serious arguements with someone, you used to treasure that > realtionship or may be not , You would show yr feelings that time, > show your anger ..its natural as a humanbeing...but do YOU leave > your EGO and go back? Do you? > > > > I dont know if you do it or not but its hard for me . > > > > Manoshi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Hi Raman, I didn't recently buy it: I bought the Windows version about two and a half or three years ago, but early last year I got fed up with viruses and system crashes on my PC and bought a Apple Mac computer...unfortunately Parashara's Light didn't have an up to date version of their software at that time for Mac users. I've been waiting for them to release the one they've been working on (they promise it will be very soon) which will cost me only the upgrade price as I'm already a registered user - which is why I haven't been doing charts on this group as I don't yet have software (I gave away my PC with it on and you can't use Windows software on a Mac...and vice versa). Here is the link for the Parashara's Light web site were you can see prices and what the software does. It's an excellent Vedic astrology calculation programme. I believe Parashara's Light is produced by the TM movement. http://www.parashara.com/ Hope this helps, Warmest blessings, Flick. Author website: http://www.witchcraft.org/elenhawke.htm On 31/3/04 10:00 pm, "Calla, Raman" <rcalla wrote: > Flick: > > You just bought Parshara Light software. > Can I ask how much it cost and it's uses. > > Thx > > Raman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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