Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Hello Neeraj, The question comes to mind whether the peon in the office is destined to suffer like this or he has some compensations in next Janma or previous Janma. He may not be in a position to carry out so called good deeds as your Director can do. Has the peon been chosen at rendom by fate to live this existence? Inder , Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > Well the answer is not so simple, as per shastras, > Destiny is fixed, it cannot be changed. Even Brahma > (creator of destiny) cannot change it after it is > written. I personally believe destiny cannot be > changed. Whatever remedies, pooja etc we perform are > all due to the will of GOD (it is destined). E.g. I > have a friend, who believe in remedial measures, his > wife doesn't, his mother believes, his father doesn't. > So they all are in one home, father doesn't believe in > remedial measures (because it is not the will of GOD > to make him believe). > > Like wise you can see many ppl in this world, who > don't believe in remedial measures, but their > background, education and society may be same. We are > doing remedies, because we are destined to do that. > According to me everybody works and manages his / her > life right from a poor street beggar to Bill gates. I > have seen less people not working hard. Most of us > work as per our capacity, but the results are > tremendously different. Like my director in my office > (who consults me sometime for astrological opinions) > and me say that our peon works much harder than other > people, but still his pay his less. It's not that, he > don't work or doesn't manages his life. Still he is > getting less and others more. > > Similarly, the ppl born in rich elite class, they work > very less, but enjoy most of the fruits of life. > > I hope I have clarified it a bit if not all > > Regards, > > Neeraj Gupta > --- Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote: > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > A very basic question...can destiny be CHANGED? As > > they say whatever happens HAS TO happen ? Dont we do > > things because our bhagya pulls us to do > > that...superstitious eh? I am confused. If remedies > > really help then wont everybody be really happy and > > at peace? > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > Hello, I am sorry to hear about your life. That is > > the reason for why > > I am giving you some ready-made answers since I do > > not have a scope > > right now to make your chart. > > > > ANSWERS: > > > > B. Basically your decision about selecting job or > > business has been > > made at the time of your birth and as per your > > destiny you are going > > to make the pre-planned choice to let the destiny > > unfold in it's own > > way and that is how any future predictions based on > > your chart would > > come true. > > > > C. He is strictly WRONG, does not matter who he is. > > > > D. The only way to minimize or wipe off your > > troubles and pains is to > > surrender yourself to the Gods through prayers and > > behaviour, if you > > sincerely wish to do it I may suggest you the > > possible prayers needed > > for your pacification. It really should work and you > > will see that > > all people around you live a complete controlled > > life and so for your > > remedies their behaviour towards you change > > dramatically! None of us > > are guilty, only our fate is. > > > > Regards > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finance Tax Center - File online. File on > time. > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ > > > > Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > http://taxes./filing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Very good question. That is why I had decided to answer it from my point of view, though Neeraj Bhai would surely give his own opinion. The question comes to your minds, that if each step of our lives is pre-planned by the God and under control, then why would we suffer for / get the reward of our actions in next births? Whatever a man is doing in this birth is fixed, then automatically what he will be in his next birth also becomes fixed, then what he will do in next birth also gets fixed and what he will become in the next birth also is fixed,... and thus the entire cycle is controlled. it does not make any sense then, does it? A soul's whole birth cycle and whole activities are controlled from the first birth to the last birth. Then why making it a doll? It is responsible for none of it then why punishing it or rewarding it for it's "own karma" for what it is not the slighest responsible or has nothing to do? I did not read a great deal of Gita but as far as I heard of it, Gita explains this. Because the entire cycle of rebirth and the experiences of all the births in world are a series of lessons of the Great Lord that he has carefully set for the improvement or purification of our souls to teach us the things we need to learn. This is the Sambandha Gyan or knowledge of our positions. So it IS the LEELA of the Lord to sent us in a chain of births and each step and result of the step in each birth is controlled so that we do some fixed and pre-planned things in which result he can impose the results or events on us in order to teach us as per his syllabus according to what we need to learn. Man can never reach moksha, only he can grant us. Regards Tanvir. , "indervohra2001" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Hello Neeraj, > The question comes to mind whether the peon in the office is > destined to suffer like this or he has some compensations in next > Janma or previous Janma. He may not be in a position to carry out so > called good deeds as your Director can do. > Has the peon been chosen at rendom by fate to live this existence? > Inder > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Dear Manoshi Jee, Destiny is something that is fixed as per definition. The question you should be asking, is IF OUR FATE IS FIXED or IF OUR ACTIONS /DECISIONS ARE FIXED. And if the question is so then my confident answer is a strong YES. Each and every steps and the choices / decisions we select are fixed and THAT IS HOW each predictions come true in the way as per the chart all through the persons life though the chart was made with the info of the birth date, ie in other words whatever a person does or faces all life long can simply bne predicted right when he or she was born! Not so? This should be the first ever lesson of Jyotish and without this realization everything fails. I have been trying to write a mega article on this but I have no gotten enough ENERGY and TIME and ATTENTION to SUMMEN UP MYSELF to write something so great because there I will have to write something so ultimate, but in an easy understandable way. I am waiting to get my full energy and attention to write this great truth in an easy and explained way so that people can easily read and understand the unbelievable truth. I am also trying to write an article where I am going to say that whatever is true and correct in this world are the most ugly things in this worls. Keats said that Beauty is the truth of this world and anything true is always a beauty. I'd take the opposition that the ultimate truth about anything is very dirty. We carry bloods and shits inside our body that is the very truth, but if they comes out we call it ditry! Just like that. Men are so frightened to face the truth. Amazingly, love is the most selfishest thing in this world so is it very dirty, the most dirty :-) I will write about it some day I hope. Anyway, to make a long discussion short, I would write the gist in a line or two, if you all read it carefully and think about it, may be you can grasp it. A PERSON, DOES NOT MATTER HOW OLD IS S/HE, HIS WHOLE LIFE CAN BE PREDICTED VERY ACCURATELY [ACCORDING TO THE SKILL OF THE CHART DEADER] BUT THIS COULD BE DONE RIGHT WHEN HE WAS BORN. THIS PROVES THAT WHEN HE HAS BORN ALL HIS FATE AND ACTION WAS FIXED SO IT WAS POSSIBLE TO PREDICT. IF IT WAS NOT FIXED, IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO BE PREDICTED. THAT IS WHY HE WALKS ALONG THE WAY OF HIS LIFE AND THAT IS WHY ALL THE THINGS HAPPEN IN A PLANNED WAY. IF HE HAD ANY TRUE FREE WILL, HIS LIFE WOULD GO MORE AND MORE TO UNPREDICTABLE COURSE WITH MORE AND MORE TIME PASSED AFTER HIS BIRTH, BASED ON WHAT WE MADE ALL THOSE PREDICTIONS. MORE IMPORTANT TO MENTION/CLARIFY, THAT IF ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN AROUND US ARE FIXED, THEN ALL THE PEOPLE'S FREE WILL, CHOICES, DECISIONS ARE FIXED, TOO. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU, IS THE RESULT OF "DECISIONS" OF PEOPLE AROUND YOU. SO TO MAKE SOME PRE-PLANNED EVENT HAPPEN IN OUR LIFE, THEY MUST ACT IN A PLANNED WAY TO MATERIALIZE THE EVENT IN OUR LIFE. SAME WAY WHATEVER YOU DO, I REPEAT WHATEVER, IS ALSO FIXED BECAUSE BY THOSE CHOSEN ACTIONS YOU MATERIALIZE THE DESTINY OF PEOPLE AROUND YOU. WE ALL ARE ENGINEERS OR DESTINY MAKERS OF OURSELVES, JUST THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT, WE MAKE IT AS PER THE PLAN OF GOD, AND HE IS THE ARCHITECT. I can give innumerable true examples from many lives but right now I am giving one example. My 9th lord Ve, fortune lord in 4th, directionally strong. So defnitely our common sense says that it would give rise in positions in life and also luxurious home and residence happiness. [strong Ve=luxury, also 9th lord, so confirm.] Also happiness about mother. So, in Ve AD I rejoined my mother that I was separated in previous Ke AD. Ke separative planet, in 4th, aspected by Saturn, separation, and joins 12th lord, again separation. Anyway, in whole Ve AD I got some step by step rise in my status, my father changed our residence, where I had my own room for the first time. Now, Ve strong in 4th gave me own room and luxuries in it's AD. But it was materialized for my father's so called FREE WILL. Not only this, but it also had some FREE WILL of the house owner, with whom dad had some despute, which resulted the change of home. That happened because my father bought a new car for which the house owner could not make a garage. My father bought a car because his friend bought one, so he was motivated. So to make my 'change of residence' true/materialized, it has to manage so many people's FREE WILL, so we see how planned their free wills are. Later he bought a new apartment, luxurious... and also I moved to my mom's home, another luxurious place. My mother took me to her custody because she was financially stable and independant to carry me. This was because a big project of her family was finished so she god her own apartment and profit moneys. So to take me to her in due time planets had to arrange a lot of things in planned way, including the finish of the big project of her family. So it included even the works and free wills of those engineers. Actually the project was a bit delayed because the political environment was not stable, so the work couldnt proceed first. So even the political leaders decision's to call carfues over and over was FIXED to get me with my mother in the exact Ve AD, otherwise it should be happening in the Ke AD, but it was astrologically impossible bec KE can not work against separation, it rather made the separation. So you see each simple event is the result of so many people's free will and decisions, even of the political leaders! :-) And if they do not take the decisions as planned by the desnity, then how come the 'result-events' materialize in the planned way / predictable way of the chart? Another example. My ex-GF left me with his family with her family in my me-mo-ke. It is a common sense to find that sort of event would happen in my life in that time. I have explained the astrological reasons over and over in past very clearly and detailedly. But what is very interesting here, that her movement was the result of her father's appointment to Johns Hopkin's Univerysity as an Associate Professor, so were not those people's decisions who appointed him also fixed, and they took the decisions on right time just when I was to be separated from my GF? It explains that if a person works even 1% different than what he is destined to do, there would be a big disorder and break in the big "Circle of events" and create a big mess. So it explains what sort of free will we own and exercise. Best wishes, Tanvir. NB. Another point, very important. Remedies work beyond the chart BUT ARE THE PART OF THE GAME. How? "Remedies work beyond the chart" IE you can have a happy married life with remedies when your chart shows a divorce. So it is working beyond the chart. but, "IT IS THE PART OF THE GAME / DESTINY" it means the result you get after remedy would macth to others birth-chart and the effect they have without remedies. Means, when you can avoid a divorce of your chart by remedy, you will see that you got a girl who's chart has no sign of divorce. It means that her destiny is to have a smooth married life and that matches to the situation AFTER YOU DO YOUR REMEDY means the fact that you would do remedy was fixed. On other words in a couples charts BOTH CHARTS SHOULD INDICATE DIVORCE SAME TIME. Otherwise, if her chart shows good married life and your's shows divorce, then EITHER you must to remedy to BETTER YOURSELF to match HER situation, OR she must do wrong remedies or wear wrong stones to WORSEN her to match YOUR divorce-situation. SO remedy INDEED is fixed and PART OF DESTINY but it is just the BALLANCE because the destiny needs it to CORRECT THE MATH because 2+2=4 always, but sometimes the math comes like 2+2=5, and then destiny adds an extra 1 to make the equation 2+2 (+1)=5 and THIS 1 IS THE REMEDY THAT DESTINY MAKES US PERFORM. This example I have given once more time in JR but could not explain in like this for time, and I know only few members has realized the meaning of that :-) , Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote: > Dear Tanvir, > > A very basic question...can destiny be CHANGED? As they say whatever happens HAS TO happen ? Dont we do things because our bhagya pulls us to do that...superstitious eh? I am confused. If remedies really help then wont everybody be really happy and at peace? > > Manoshi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 One night I was thinking about the same. What I found was,What ever is happening in this universe is going to be that way till the end of world, After that as new world is going to generate and again every thing same is going to happen,Again I will be writing same mail and we all discussing about it. There is no end to this.truth is out there.Nothing changes in this world.New world will emerge and again a same things which are happenend from past to what ever is going to happen in future,will again repeat. --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana wrote: Very good question. That is why I had decided to answer it from my point of view, though Neeraj Bhai would surely give his own opinion. The question comes to your minds, that if each step of our lives is pre-planned by the God and under control, then why would we suffer for / get the reward of our actions in next births? Whatever a man is doing in this birth is fixed, then automatically what he will be in his next birth also becomes fixed, then what he will do in next birth also gets fixed and what he will become in the next birth also is fixed,... and thus the entire cycle is controlled. it does not make any sense then, does it? A soul's whole birth cycle and whole activities are controlled from the first birth to the last birth. Then why making it a doll? It is responsible for none of it then why punishing it or rewarding it for it's "own karma" for what it is not the slighest responsible or has nothing to do? I did not read a great deal of Gita but as far as I heard of it, Gita explains this. Because the entire cycle of rebirth and the experiences of all the births in world are a series of lessons of the Great Lord that he has carefully set for the improvement or purification of our souls to teach us the things we need to learn. This is the Sambandha Gyan or knowledge of our positions. So it IS the LEELA of the Lord to sent us in a chain of births and each step and result of the step in each birth is controlled so that we do some fixed and pre-planned things in which result he can impose the results or events on us in order to teach us as per his syllabus according to what we need to learn. Man can never reach moksha, only he can grant us. Regards Tanvir. , "indervohra2001" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Hello Neeraj, > The question comes to mind whether the peon in the office is > destined to suffer like this or he has some compensations in next > Janma or previous Janma. He may not be in a position to carry out so > called good deeds as your Director can do. > Has the peon been chosen at rendom by fate to live this existence? > Inder > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / Terms of Service. ______________________ India Insurance Special: Be informed on the best policies, services, tools and more. Go to: http://in.insurance./licspecial/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Everything is all planned before.....Thanx for taking so much of time to explain this. ManoshiTanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Manoshi Jee, Destiny is something that is fixed as per definition. The question you should be asking, is IF OUR FATE IS FIXED or IF OUR ACTIONS /DECISIONS ARE FIXED. And if the question is so then my confident answer is a strong YES. Each and every steps and the choices / decisions we select are fixed and THAT IS HOW each predictions come true in the way as per the chart all through the persons life though the chart was made with the info of the birth date, ie in other words whatever a person does or faces all life long can simply bne predicted right when he or she was born! Not so?This should be the first ever lesson of Jyotish and without this realization everything fails.I have been trying to write a mega article on this but I have no gotten enough ENERGY and TIME and ATTENTION to SUMMEN UP MYSELF to write something so great because there I will have to write something so ultimate, but in an easy understandable way. I am waiting to get my full energy and attention to write this great truth in an easy and explained way so that people can easily read and understand the unbelievable truth. I am also trying to write an article where I am going to say that whatever is true and correct in this world are the most ugly things in this worls. Keats said that Beauty is the truth of this world and anything true is always a beauty. I'd take the opposition that the ultimate truth about anything is very dirty. We carry bloods and shits inside our body that is the very truth, but if they comes out we call it ditry! Just like that. Men are so frightened to face the truth. Amazingly, love is the most selfishest thing in this world so is it very dirty, the most dirty :-) I will write about it some day I hope.Anyway, to make a long discussion short, I would write the gist in a line or two, if you all read it carefully and think about it, may be you can grasp it.A PERSON, DOES NOT MATTER HOW OLD IS S/HE, HIS WHOLE LIFE CAN BE PREDICTED VERY ACCURATELY [ACCORDING TO THE SKILL OF THE CHART DEADER] BUT THIS COULD BE DONE RIGHT WHEN HE WAS BORN. THIS PROVES THAT WHEN HE HAS BORN ALL HIS FATE AND ACTION WAS FIXED SO IT WAS POSSIBLE TO PREDICT. IF IT WAS NOT FIXED, IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO BE PREDICTED. THAT IS WHY HE WALKS ALONG THE WAY OF HIS LIFE AND THAT IS WHY ALL THE THINGS HAPPEN IN A PLANNED WAY. IF HE HAD ANY TRUE FREE WILL, HIS LIFE WOULD GO MORE AND MORE TO UNPREDICTABLE COURSE WITH MORE AND MORE TIME PASSED AFTER HIS BIRTH, BASED ON WHAT WE MADE ALL THOSE PREDICTIONS.MORE IMPORTANT TO MENTION/CLARIFY, THAT IF ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN AROUND US ARE FIXED, THEN ALL THE PEOPLE'S FREE WILL, CHOICES, DECISIONS ARE FIXED, TOO. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU, IS THE RESULT OF "DECISIONS" OF PEOPLE AROUND YOU. SO TO MAKE SOME PRE-PLANNED EVENT HAPPEN IN OUR LIFE, THEY MUST ACT IN A PLANNED WAY TO MATERIALIZE THE EVENT IN OUR LIFE. SAME WAY WHATEVER YOU DO, I REPEAT WHATEVER, IS ALSO FIXED BECAUSE BY THOSE CHOSEN ACTIONS YOU MATERIALIZE THE DESTINY OF PEOPLE AROUND YOU. WE ALL ARE ENGINEERS OR DESTINY MAKERS OF OURSELVES, JUST THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT, WE MAKE IT AS PER THE PLAN OF GOD, AND HE IS THE ARCHITECT.I can give innumerable true examples from many lives but right now I am giving one example. My 9th lord Ve, fortune lord in 4th, directionally strong. So defnitely our common sense says that it would give rise in positions in life and also luxurious home and residence happiness. [strong Ve=luxury, also 9th lord, so confirm.] Also happiness about mother.So, in Ve AD I rejoined my mother that I was separated in previous Ke AD. Ke separative planet, in 4th, aspected by Saturn, separation, and joins 12th lord, again separation.Anyway, in whole Ve AD I got some step by step rise in my status, my father changed our residence, where I had my own room for the first time. Now, Ve strong in 4th gave me own room and luxuries in it's AD. But it was materialized for my father's so called FREE WILL. Not only this, but it also had some FREE WILL of the house owner, with whom dad had some despute, which resulted the change of home. That happened because my father bought a new car for which the house owner could not make a garage. My father bought a car because his friend bought one, so he was motivated. So to make my 'change of residence' true/materialized, it has to manage so many people's FREE WILL, so we see how planned their free wills are.Later he bought a new apartment, luxurious... and also I moved to my mom's home, another luxurious place. My mother took me to her custody because she was financially stable and independant to carry me. This was because a big project of her family was finished so she god her own apartment and profit moneys. So to take me to her in due time planets had to arrange a lot of things in planned way, including the finish of the big project of her family. So it included even the works and free wills of those engineers. Actually the project was a bit delayed because the political environment was not stable, so the work couldnt proceed first. So even the political leaders decision's to call carfues over and over was FIXED to get me with my mother in the exact Ve AD, otherwise it should be happening in the Ke AD, but it was astrologically impossible bec KE can not work against separation, it rather made the separation. So you see each simple event is the result of so many people's free will and decisions, even of the political leaders! :-) And if they do not take the decisions as planned by the desnity, then how come the 'result-events' materialize in the planned way / predictable way of the chart?Another example. My ex-GF left me with his family with her family in my me-mo-ke. It is a common sense to find that sort of event would happen in my life in that time. I have explained the astrological reasons over and over in past very clearly and detailedly. But what is very interesting here, that her movement was the result of her father's appointment to Johns Hopkin's Univerysity as an Associate Professor, so were not those people's decisions who appointed him also fixed, and they took the decisions on right time just when I was to be separated from my GF? It explains that if a person works even 1% different than what he is destined to do, there would be a big disorder and break in the big "Circle of events" and create a big mess.So it explains what sort of free will we own and exercise.Best wishes,Tanvir.NB. Another point, very important. Remedies work beyond the chart BUT ARE THE PART OF THE GAME. How? "Remedies work beyond the chart" IE you can have a happy married life with remedies when your chart shows a divorce. So it is working beyond the chart. but, "IT IS THE PART OF THE GAME / DESTINY" it means the result you get after remedy would macth to others birth-chart and the effect they have without remedies. Means, when you can avoid a divorce of your chart by remedy, you will see that you got a girl who's chart has no sign of divorce. It means that her destiny is to have a smooth married life and that matches to the situation AFTER YOU DO YOUR REMEDY means the fact that you would do remedy was fixed. On other words in a couples charts BOTH CHARTS SHOULD INDICATE DIVORCE SAME TIME. Otherwise, if her chart shows good married life and your's shows divorce, then EITHER you must to remedy to BETTER YOURSELF to match HER situation, OR she must do wrong remedies or wear wrong stones to WORSEN her to match YOUR divorce-situation. SO remedy INDEED is fixed and PART OF DESTINY but it is just the BALLANCE because the destiny needs it to CORRECT THE MATH because 2+2=4 always, but sometimes the math comes like 2+2=5, and then destiny adds an extra 1 to make the equation 2+2(+1)=5 and THIS 1 IS THE REMEDY THAT DESTINY MAKES US PERFORM. This example I have given once more time in JR but could not explain in like this for time, and I know only few members has realized the meaning of that :-)--- In , Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote:> Dear Tanvir,> > A very basic question...can destiny be CHANGED? As they say whatever happens HAS TO happen ? Dont we do things because our bhagya pulls us to do that...superstitious eh? I am confused. If remedies really help then wont everybody be really happy and at peace?> > Manoshi> > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Do you ? Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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