Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Hemantji, This is a good point. But the power in one's own purusharta is again determined by past karma and it is again prefixed as shown by the birth charts. This seems almost like a catch-22 situation. But as rightly pointed out by you, there is a way out - fully by surrendering self to God. The well known and symbolic story of ajamila (briefly narrated below) substantiates this point. Best wishes, Niranjan The story of Ajamila: (Taken from Srimad-Bhagavatam Canto 6) Ajamila was raised according to the Vedic regulations. He was perfectly trained in vedic traditions. He led satvic life with his chaste and beautiful wife. But one day, while he was out in the fields collecting flowers for worshipping the Lord, he happened to see a drunken prostitute engaged in sexual embrace. Ajamila became bewildered and attracted; his mind becoming more and more attached to the prostitute. In Bhagavad-gita it is said that if one contemplates objects that gratify senses, he becomes attached to them. Although Ajamila was a strict brahmana he became helplessly entangled by seeing a man and woman engaged in sexual activity. Consequently he took this prostitute into his home as a maidservant. Inevitably, he became so entangled that he abandoned his family, wife and children and went off with the prostitute. Due to his illicit connection with the prostitute, he lost all his good qualities. He became a thief, a liar, a drunkard, even a murderer. He completely forgot about his original trainings or education, and his whole life was ruined. Engaging in sinful activities, Ajamila fell down from his position, and he begot many children through the womb of the prostitute. Even towards the end of his life, around the age of eighty, he was still begetting children. It is explained that while he was dying, which is a very fearful time, he began to call out to his pet child, whose name was Narayana. Narayana is another name of Lord Vishnu. At that time, the Yamadutas, the messengers of death, were coming. They were tying up the subtle body of Ajamila and preparing to take him to be punished by Yamaraja, the lord of death. At the same time, because he happened to be speaking the holy name of the Lord Narayana, the beautiful Visnudutas, the messengers of Narayana, also arrived there. They checked the activities of the Yamadutas, refusing to allow them to take Ajamila for punishment. The Yamadutas were bewildered. "Why are these effulgent and beautiful personalities checking our action? It's our duty to take sinful men to Yamaraja for punishment; then they are awarded another material body for the next life so that they can get the result of their sinful activity." There was a argument between the Yamadutas and the Visnudutas. The conclusion was that although Ajamila was sinful throughout his life and gave up his religious life, his wife and children and begot children through a prostitute, he nevertheless was purified from all these sins because at the last moment he chanted the holy name of Krishna, Narayana. Although Ajamila had committed so many sinful deeds, because he chanted the name of Narayana, he was relieved of all sinful activities. Please Note: I have sourced the above narration from iskon.com. Adding on to the narrative, [1] Ajamila actually called out his child "Narayana" to protect him. But it was full of conviction that the Visnudutas passing by heard his out cry. [2] This does not mean that one can commit sins all his/her life and still get away with it by chanting the name of God. This story is only meant demostrate the after effects of the complete submission to God. [3] The storyline has a continuation in the original text. After the agruments of Vishnudutas and Yamadutas, Ajamila was actually sent back to earth to demostrate his "prayaschitta". Only after living several years dedicated to God, he attained moksha. --N.R.chaturth kaal <chaturth_kaal > wrote: HelloSanjay, yes .What you assume is generally right. But please read my posting on Badhakatwa to understand more of Prarabhdha, phala and Purusharth. We can amend / alter certain aspects to an extent by Karma. Still more by Prayaschitta followed by prayers. And almost fully by surrendering self to God. HTSanjay Chadha <chadhatony > wrote: Hemantji, If I am understanding this correctly: 1] Nobody has a perfect chart in all aspects. 2] There is always some suffering no matter what? Regards Sanjaychaturth kaal <chaturth_kaal > wrote: Hello Pankaj, Though provoking posting. I always say that a planet always gives two types of effects.+VE and -VE. God gives best health to a poor man. Worst/bad health /shorter life toa rich man Money he gives but no children Home he gives but no happiness etc. So there are two sides to everything. Keep up the good work. Rgds HtrivediPankaj Sharma <ssa (AT) ner (DOT) railnet.gov.in> wrote: Dear All,There was a exchange of thoughts regarding power a native is having tochange his destiny using freedom he is having in matters related to3,6,10,11 houses in the chart.1. We have freedom, but very few of us actually use it.2. We all have a brain, but as per researchers on an average we use only 10%of the capacities of our brain.3. Thus we all have very good points in the astro-charts, but we crib aboutnegativities only and never fully exploit the positive aspects.4. Nobody can have a perfect chart.If you have exalted planet, its aspects will be debiliated.If you have more astakvarga points in a particular house, it will be at thecost of other houses as the total points are fixed. Average is 28 points, ifone house has 32 points other has to have 24 only to keep the total same. So I request the learned jyotish-vigya community here to guide how tofigure out the most positive aspect and exploit/utilise it to uplift otherhouses;for example Einstein had very good research aptitude, but very poor memory -used to forget keys, even his residence no etc. But he did not crib for poormemory, rather he concentrated on has research so well that his otherweaknesses are hidden.If one is a very poor student, it is more than sure that through studies hewill not get good jobs hence poor living standard etc etc; BUT if that poorstudent is good in CRICKET, and he concentrates on CRICKET so well that nowhe is earning Crores [millions] just by advertisements, he is a proudhusband of a Paediatrician, while he is not even a proper graduate, peoplegift him Cars worth Crores[millions][Ferrari] just like that etc etc.IF I HAVE PROBLEMS IN RESPECT TO ONE HOUSE MATTERS, IT MEANS THAT I MUST BEHAVING SOME OTHER HOUSE EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD, WHICH I SHOULD UTILISE TOFULLEST EXTENT.THIS IS A SORT OF THEORY OF CONSERVATION OF TOTAL GOODNESS IN A CHART. 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