Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 All: We might have always wondered on this question: Once a person has attained God-Realization and no longer has to exist within the physical body, does he continue to keep some individual aspect to serve God? Does he continue to be God's servant eternally, or does he actually merge with the Absolute and become God? I am making a humble attempt to answer this. Hope it makes sense. If it does not, it is fine too :-). --Once a persons individuality has merged with God, then all feeling of sperateness is finished What remains is the feeling of Godhood. If a river is flowing and meets with the ocean, then it merges into the ocean and the individual existence of the river is finishes. However, the ocean still exists. Doesnt it? What happens in the state of realization is that a persons individuality merges into GOD or the SELF. Then he or she attains cosmis awareness. Or doesnt he? After that, he serves other people. Many people have the feeling that once a person attains God realization he becomes useless. but has God retired? So far he has not retired. He continues to function. For this reason a person who has attained GOD will continue to serve other people. his goal will be to make others attain God? Or will it not? Now, those who have gone within themselves have always heard a strange sound, which can only be called the sound of existence itself. It is difficult to reduce that sound into language. Hence for centuries, as far back as we can go, Om, the sound, has been represented not by any alphabetical word but by a symbol. That symbol is beyond any alphabet. It does not belong to any language. There is no other symbol in the whole world which does not belong to any particular language, but is simply symbolic of a certain experience that can happen to anyone. And why have they not reduced it to some linguistic form? It is not without reason. Om tat sat -- that is the Truth This sound of Om is our very truth, is our very being. We are made of it. The sound of Om is heard only when your mind is completely silent, when you have gone beyond all language, all thinking, when there is pure silence, not even a ripple. It is not exactly Om, but Om comes the closest to expressing the sound. And the sound has been called the divine sound because it is not man-made. It is eternally herenow. Whoever wants to enter into the stream of eternal existence is bound to hear it. It says nothing, but it vibrates your being to such joy, to such celebration, to such dance that you have never dreamt of before. I hope and pray that at all times we focus towards the "TRUTH". The Inner Truth, The Truth of the SELF, The very being of existence, Supreme consciousness. Isnt this the UNIVERSAL REMEDY? Isnt this the UNIVERSE? Isnt this the Creator? Isnt this calling US? Need I say more. Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti. --Sanjay Aggarwal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 I certainly believe that after God-realization we do merge with God but we continue in our illusory "separateness", even from the Heaven worlds. Did not Jesus return to speak to Paul and then also to give the Book of Revelations. In the East many of the saints are prayed to long after they are gone, why do that if they are no more? The Universe is too magnificiently vast not to have it peopled by wonderous cosmic beings who are manifestations of God-Ishwara-Krishna-Vishnu Himself. Curtis At 12:10 AM 3/3/2004, you wrote: All: We might have always wondered on this question: Once a person has attained God-Realization and no longer has to exist within the physical body, does he continue to keep some individual aspect to serve God? Does he continue to be God's servant eternally, or does he actually merge with the Absolute and become God? I am making a humble attempt to answer this. Hope it makes sense. If it does not, it is fine too :-). --Once a persons individuality has merged with God, then all feeling of sperateness is finished What remains is the feeling of Godhood. If a river is flowing and meets with the ocean, then it merges into the ocean and the individual existence of the river is finishes. However, the ocean still exists. Doesnt it? What happens in the state of realization is that a persons individuality merges into GOD or the SELF. Then he or she attains cosmis awareness. Or doesnt he? After that, he serves other people. Many people have the feeling that once a person attains God realization he becomes useless. but has God retired? So far he has not retired. He continues to function. For this reason a person who has attained GOD will continue to serve other people. his goal will be to make others attain God? Or will it not? Now, those who have gone within themselves have always heard a strange sound, which can only be called the sound of existence itself. It is difficult to reduce that sound into language. Hence for centuries, as far back as we can go, Om, the sound, has been represented not by any alphabetical word but by a symbol. That symbol is beyond any alphabet. It does not belong to any language. There is no other symbol in the whole world which does not belong to any particular language, but is simply symbolic of a certain experience that can happen to anyone. And why have they not reduced it to some linguistic form? It is not without reason. Om tat sat -- that is the Truth This sound of Om is our very truth, is our very being. We are made of it. The sound of Om is heard only when your mind is completely silent, when you have gone beyond all language, all thinking, when there is pure silence, not even a ripple. It is not exactly Om, but Om comes the closest to expressing the sound. And the sound has been called the divine sound because it is not man-made. It is eternally herenow. Whoever wants to enter into the stream of eternal existence is bound to hear it. It says nothing, but it vibrates your being to such joy, to such celebration, to such dance that you have never dreamt of before. I hope and pray that at all times we focus towards the "TRUTH". The Inner Truth, The Truth of the SELF, The very being of existence, Supreme consciousness. Isnt this the UNIVERSAL REMEDY? Isnt this the UNIVERSE? Isnt this the Creator? Isnt this calling US? Need I say more. Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti. --Sanjay Aggarwal ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Sponsor Click Here / Your use of is subject to the Curtis Burns (KOF) Vedic Astrology www.StarWorldNews.com Online Astrology Newsmagazine Free Newsletters about Astrology and Prosperity curtis (AT) starworldnews (DOT) com curtisburns (AT) qwest (DOT) net Minneapolis, MN, USA 612-823-9104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 Nice, My additional thoughts--> The seed of the world is "I", the supreme TRUTH. Consciousness, and it is the same for everybody. It belongs equally to all. That consciousness exists within itself and in the same measure it exists in us and in everyone -- in you, in me, in Buddha, in Jesus, in Allah, in Rama, in Krishna. The inner truth that exists inside me also exists inside you and everybody else. There is not the slightest difference. The only difference is perception. One has to make it reveal to oneself. If one would also turn within, then the same stream that flows out of my body would flow out of yours,his, hers and everyone else. Isnt it? Tryly speaking in Gods creation there is no disparity. There is no equality. In one factory the same objects are manufactured. They all are identical. Similarly everything is the same in the Lords factory. Or isnt it :-)? Warm Regards. --Sanjay Aggarwal , "Curtis Burns" <curtisburns@q...> wrote: > I certainly believe that after God-realization we do merge with God but we > continue in our illusory "separateness", even from the Heaven worlds. Did > not Jesus return to speak to Paul and then also to give the Book of > Revelations. In the East many of the saints are prayed to long after they > are gone, why do that if they are no more? > > The Universe is too magnificiently vast not to have it peopled by wonderous > cosmic beings who are manifestations of God-Ishwara-Krishna-Vishnu Himself. > > Curtis > > > At 12:10 AM 3/3/2004, you wrote: > >All: > > > >We might have always wondered on this question: Once a person has > >attained God-Realization and no longer has to exist within the > >physical body, does he continue to keep some individual aspect to > >serve God? Does he continue to be God's servant eternally, or does > >he actually merge with the Absolute and become God? > > > >I am making a humble attempt to answer this. Hope it makes sense. If > >it does not, it is fine too :-). > > > >--Once a persons individuality has merged with God, then all feeling > >of sperateness is finished What remains is the feeling of Godhood. > >If a river is flowing and meets with the ocean, then it merges into > >the ocean and the individual existence of the river is finishes. > >However, the ocean still exists. Doesnt it? > > > >What happens in the state of realization is that a persons > >individuality merges into GOD or the SELF. Then he or she attains > >cosmis awareness. Or doesnt he? After that, he serves other people. > >Many people have the feeling that once a person attains God > >realization he becomes useless. but has God retired? So far he has > >not retired. He continues to function. For this reason a person who > >has attained GOD will continue to serve other people. his goal will > >be to make others attain God? Or will it not? > > > >Now, those who have gone within themselves have always heard a > >strange sound, which can only be called the sound of existence > >itself. It is difficult to reduce that sound into language. Hence > >for centuries, as far back as we can go, Om, the sound, has been > >represented not by any alphabetical word but by a symbol. > >That symbol is beyond any alphabet. It does not belong to any > >language. There is no other symbol in the whole world which does not > >belong to any particular language, but is simply symbolic of a > >certain experience that can happen to anyone. And why have they not > >reduced it to some linguistic form? It is not without reason. > > > >Om tat sat -- that is the Truth > > > >This sound of Om is our very truth, is our very being. We are made > >of it. The sound of Om is heard only when your mind is completely > >silent, when you have gone beyond all language, all thinking, when > >there is pure silence, not even a ripple. It is not exactly Om, but > >Om comes the closest to expressing the sound. And the sound has been > >called the divine sound because it is not man-made. It is eternally > >herenow. Whoever wants to enter into the stream of eternal existence > >is bound to hear it. It says nothing, but it vibrates your being to > >such joy, to such celebration, to such dance that you have never > >dreamt of before. > > > >I hope and pray that at all times we focus towards the "TRUTH". The > >Inner Truth, The Truth of the SELF, The very being of existence, > >Supreme consciousness. > > > >Isnt this the UNIVERSAL REMEDY? Isnt this the UNIVERSE? Isnt this > >the Creator? Isnt this calling US? > > > >Need I say more. > > > >Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti. > > > > > >--Sanjay Aggarwal > > > > > > > > > >~! 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Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 To be more precise, God is One. But God is also the many. On different planes It's Being manifests itself. The "illusion" of separateness occurs to assist the lower mind. Here I go with my long past Star Trek knowledge....the IDIC that Mr. Spock follows, the Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations, is the dualistic mind's perception of infinite light, potiential, and power. On the place of absolute Oneness, that of Absolute Reality, we're all just One anyway. This is a long-winded way of saying that we're both, One and Many. Hope this "helps" Curtis At 12:35 AM 3/3/2004, you wrote: Nice, My additional thoughts--> The seed of the world is "I", the supreme TRUTH. Consciousness, and it is the same for everybody. It belongs equally to all. That consciousness exists within itself and in the same measure it exists in us and in everyone -- in you, in me, in Buddha, in Jesus, in Allah, in Rama, in Krishna. The inner truth that exists inside me also exists inside you and everybody else. There is not the slightest difference. The only difference is perception. One has to make it reveal to oneself. If one would also turn within, then the same stream that flows out of my body would flow out of yours,his, hers and everyone else. Isnt it? Tryly speaking in Gods creation there is no disparity. There is no equality. In one factory the same objects are manufactured. They all are identical. Similarly everything is the same in the Lords factory. Or isnt it :-)? Warm Regards. --Sanjay Aggarwal , "Curtis Burns" <curtisburns@q...> wrote: > I certainly believe that after God-realization we do merge with God but we > continue in our illusory "separateness", even from the Heaven worlds. Did > not Jesus return to speak to Paul and then also to give the Book of > Revelations. In the East many of the saints are prayed to long after they > are gone, why do that if they are no more? > > The Universe is too magnificiently vast not to have it peopled by wonderous > cosmic beings who are manifestations of God-Ishwara-Krishna-Vishnu Himself. > > Curtis > > > At 12:10 AM 3/3/2004, you wrote: > >All: > > > >We might have always wondered on this question: Once a person has > >attained God-Realization and no longer has to exist within the > >physical body, does he continue to keep some individual aspect to > >serve God? Does he continue to be God's servant eternally, or does > >he actually merge with the Absolute and become God? > > > >I am making a humble attempt to answer this. Hope it makes sense. If > >it does not, it is fine too :-). > > > >--Once a persons individuality has merged with God, then all feeling > >of sperateness is finished What remains is the feeling of Godhood. > >If a river is flowing and meets with the ocean, then it merges into > >the ocean and the individual existence of the river is finishes. > >However, the ocean still exists. Doesnt it? > > > >What happens in the state of realization is that a persons > >individuality merges into GOD or the SELF. Then he or she attains > >cosmis awareness. Or doesnt he? After that, he serves other people. > >Many people have the feeling that once a person attains God > >realization he becomes useless. but has God retired? So far he has > >not retired. He continues to function. For this reason a person who > >has attained GOD will continue to serve other people. his goal will > >be to make others attain God? Or will it not? > > > >Now, those who have gone within themselves have always heard a > >strange sound, which can only be called the sound of existence > >itself. It is difficult to reduce that sound into language. Hence > >for centuries, as far back as we can go, Om, the sound, has been > >represented not by any alphabetical word but by a symbol. > >That symbol is beyond any alphabet. It does not belong to any > >language. There is no other symbol in the whole world which does not > >belong to any particular language, but is simply symbolic of a > >certain experience that can happen to anyone. And why have they not > >reduced it to some linguistic form? It is not without reason. > > > >Om tat sat -- that is the Truth > > > >This sound of Om is our very truth, is our very being. We are made > >of it. The sound of Om is heard only when your mind is completely > >silent, when you have gone beyond all language, all thinking, when > >there is pure silence, not even a ripple. It is not exactly Om, but > >Om comes the closest to expressing the sound. And the sound has been > >called the divine sound because it is not man-made. It is eternally > >herenow. Whoever wants to enter into the stream of eternal existence > >is bound to hear it. It says nothing, but it vibrates your being to > >such joy, to such celebration, to such dance that you have never > >dreamt of before. > > > >I hope and pray that at all times we focus towards the "TRUTH". The > >Inner Truth, The Truth of the SELF, The very being of existence, > >Supreme consciousness. > > > >Isnt this the UNIVERSAL REMEDY? Isnt this the UNIVERSE? Isnt this > >the Creator? Isnt this calling US? > > > >Need I say more. > > > >Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti. > > > > > >--Sanjay Aggarwal > > > > > > > > > >~! 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Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 I hope this makes sense. Even if it does not thats fine :-) Regards Sanjaysanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology > wrote: Nice,My additional thoughts--> The seed of the world is "I", the supreme TRUTH. Consciousness, and it is the same for everybody. It belongs equally to all. That consciousness exists within itself and in the same measure it exists in us and in everyone -- in you, in me, in Buddha, in Jesus, in Allah, in Rama, in Krishna.The inner truth that exists inside me also exists inside you and everybody else. There is not the slightest difference. The only difference is perception. One has to make it reveal to oneself. If one would also turn within, then the same stream that flows out of my body would flow out of yours,his, hers and everyone else. Isnt it? Tryly speaking in Gods creation there is no disparity. There is no equality. In one factory the same objects are manufactured. They all are identical. Similarly everything is the same in the Lords factory.Or isnt it :-)?Warm Regards.--Sanjay Aggarwal, "Curtis Burns" <curtisburns@q...> wrote:> I certainly believe that after God-realization we do merge with God but we > continue in our illusory "separateness", even from the Heaven worlds. Did > not Jesus return to speak to Paul and then also to give the Book of > Revelations. In the East many of the saints are prayed to long after they > are gone, why do that if they are no more?> > The Universe is too magnificiently vast not to have it peopled by wonderous > cosmic beings who are manifestations of God-Ishwara-Krishna-Vishnu Himself.> > Curtis> > > At 12:10 AM 3/3/2004, you wrote:> >All:> >> >We might have always wondered on this question: Once a person has> >attained God-Realization and no longer has to exist within the> >physical body, does he continue to keep some individual aspect to> >serve God? Does he continue to be God's servant eternally, or does> >he actually merge with the Absolute and become God?> >> >I am making a humble attempt to answer this. Hope it makes sense. If> >it does not, it is fine too :-).> >> >--Once a persons individuality has merged with God, then all feeling> >of sperateness is finished What remains is the feeling of Godhood.> >If a river is flowing and meets with the ocean, then it merges into> >the ocean and the individual existence of the river is finishes.> >However, the ocean still exists. Doesnt it?> >> >What happens in the state of realization is that a persons> >individuality merges into GOD or the SELF. Then he or she attains> >cosmis awareness. Or doesnt he? After that, he serves other people.> >Many people have the feeling that once a person attains God> >realization he becomes useless. but has God retired? So far he has> >not retired. He continues to function. For this reason a person who> >has attained GOD will continue to serve other people. his goal will> >be to make others attain God? Or will it not?> >> >Now, those who have gone within themselves have always heard a> >strange sound, which can only be called the sound of existence> >itself. It is difficult to reduce that sound into language. Hence> >for centuries, as far back as we can go, Om, the sound, has been> >represented not by any alphabetical word but by a symbol.> >That symbol is beyond any alphabet. It does not belong to any> >language. There is no other symbol in the whole world which does not> >belong to any particular language, but is simply symbolic of a> >certain experience that can happen to anyone. And why have they not> >reduced it to some linguistic form? It is not without reason.> >> >Om tat sat -- that is the Truth> >> >This sound of Om is our very truth, is our very being. We are made> >of it. The sound of Om is heard only when your mind is completely> >silent, when you have gone beyond all language, all thinking, when> >there is pure silence, not even a ripple. It is not exactly Om, but> >Om comes the closest to expressing the sound. And the sound has been> >called the divine sound because it is not man-made. It is eternally> >herenow. Whoever wants to enter into the stream of eternal existence> >is bound to hear it. It says nothing, but it vibrates your being to> >such joy, to such celebration, to such dance that you have never> >dreamt of before.> >> >I hope and pray that at all times we focus towards the "TRUTH". The> >Inner Truth, The Truth of the SELF, The very being of existence,> >Supreme consciousness.> >> >Isnt this the UNIVERSAL REMEDY? Isnt this the UNIVERSE? Isnt this> >the Creator? Isnt this calling US?> >> >Need I say more.> >> >Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.> >> >> >--Sanjay Aggarwal> >> >> >> >> >~! 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Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 > This is a long-winded way of saying that we're both, One and > Many. Exactly. That is why all paths lead to ONE. It doesnt matter which PATH you choose. The path to you may be long and winding, to someone else shorter. But chooses the PATH which best suits you. Hinduism clearly says that the paths to God are many. Each has to pursue his or her own PATH and attain his or her OWN GOD. Again, Hinduism gives immense freedom to each individual to choose whatever path he or she wants to choose. It does not believe in super imposition of faith from outside, nor changing of ones faith to another because it is more attractive. Each has to pursue the path of God according to his or her inner nature and evolution. Hinduism says, "Follow your own self, live according to your own dharma and discover you own truth that is in harmony with yourself." Remember Hinduism is not a religion but a "WAY OF LIFE". Most importantly Hinduism does not believe in converting people from one faith to faith in an organized way. If an individual want to change his religion that is his inner choice. But no one should force him or tempt him to change. Hinduism strictly prohibits teaching of the scriptures to people who are not inclined to understand them or follow them. There are many ways in which one can approach God. All paths in the end lead to Him only. Truly speaking every one in this world is a Hindu, whether he believes in God or not, whether he is a Hindu or a Buddhist or of some other faith. A Hindu is an individual soul who has been separated from God, is under illusion and has to rejoin God some day. No one need force him to become a Hindu in the physical sense, because one day, in some birth, he will become aware of what he is or who he is. What he does in between is all part of a Divine Play. I hope we get the CORE ESSENCE HERE!! Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti. --Sanjay Aggarwal , "Curtis Burns" <curtisburns@q...> wrote: > To be more precise, God is One. But God is also the many. On different > planes It's Being manifests itself. The "illusion" of separateness occurs > to assist the lower mind. Here I go with my long past Star Trek > knowledge....the IDIC that Mr. Spock follows, the Infinite Diversity in > Infinite Combinations, is the dualistic mind's perception of infinite > light, potiential, and power. > > On the place of absolute Oneness, that of Absolute Reality, we're all just > One anyway. This is a long-winded way of saying that we're both, One and > Many. Hope this "helps" > > Curtis > > > At 12:35 AM 3/3/2004, you wrote: > >Nice, > > > >My additional thoughts--> The seed of the world is "I", the supreme > >TRUTH. Consciousness, and it is the same for everybody. It belongs > >equally to all. That consciousness exists within itself and in the > >same measure it exists in us and in everyone -- in you, in me, in > >Buddha, in Jesus, in Allah, in Rama, in Krishna. > > > >The inner truth that exists inside me also exists inside you and > >everybody else. There is not the slightest difference. The only > >difference is perception. One has to make it reveal to oneself. If > >one would also turn within, then the same stream that flows out of > >my body would flow out of yours,his, hers and everyone else. Isnt > >it? Tryly speaking in Gods creation there is no disparity. There is > >no equality. > > > >In one factory the same objects are manufactured. They all are > >identical. Similarly everything is the same in the Lords factory. > > > >Or isnt it :-)? > > > >Warm Regards. > > > >--Sanjay Aggarwal > > > >, "Curtis Burns" > ><curtisburns@q...> wrote: > > > I certainly believe that after God-realization we do merge with > >God but we > > > continue in our illusory "separateness", even from the Heaven > >worlds. Did > > > not Jesus return to speak to Paul and then also to give the Book > >of > > > Revelations. In the East many of the saints are prayed to long > >after they > > > are gone, why do that if they are no more? > > > > > > The Universe is too magnificiently vast not to have it peopled by > >wonderous > > > cosmic beings who are manifestations of God-Ishwara-Krishna- Vishnu > >Himself. > > > > > > Curtis > > > > > > > > > At 12:10 AM 3/3/2004, you wrote: > > > >All: > > > > > > > >We might have always wondered on this question: Once a person has > > > >attained God-Realization and no longer has to exist within the > > > >physical body, does he continue to keep some individual aspect to > > > >serve God? Does he continue to be God's servant eternally, or does > > > >he actually merge with the Absolute and become God? > > > > > > > >I am making a humble attempt to answer this. Hope it makes sense. > >If > > > >it does not, it is fine too :-). > > > > > > > >--Once a persons individuality has merged with God, then all > >feeling > > > >of sperateness is finished What remains is the feeling of Godhood. > > > >If a river is flowing and meets with the ocean, then it merges > >into > > > >the ocean and the individual existence of the river is finishes. > > > >However, the ocean still exists. Doesnt it? > > > > > > > >What happens in the state of realization is that a persons > > > >individuality merges into GOD or the SELF. Then he or she attains > > > >cosmis awareness. Or doesnt he? After that, he serves other > >people. > > > >Many people have the feeling that once a person attains God > > > >realization he becomes useless. but has God retired? So far he has > > > >not retired. He continues to function. For this reason a person > >who > > > >has attained GOD will continue to serve other people. his goal > >will > > > >be to make others attain God? Or will it not? > > > > > > > >Now, those who have gone within themselves have always heard a > > > >strange sound, which can only be called the sound of existence > > > >itself. It is difficult to reduce that sound into language. Hence > > > >for centuries, as far back as we can go, Om, the sound, has been > > > >represented not by any alphabetical word but by a symbol. > > > >That symbol is beyond any alphabet. It does not belong to any > > > >language. There is no other symbol in the whole world which does > >not > > > >belong to any particular language, but is simply symbolic of a > > > >certain experience that can happen to anyone. And why have they > >not > > > >reduced it to some linguistic form? It is not without reason. > > > > > > > >Om tat sat -- that is the Truth > > > > > > > >This sound of Om is our very truth, is our very being. We are made > > > >of it. The sound of Om is heard only when your mind is completely > > > >silent, when you have gone beyond all language, all thinking, when > > > >there is pure silence, not even a ripple. It is not exactly Om, > >but > > > >Om comes the closest to expressing the sound. And the sound has > >been > > > >called the divine sound because it is not man-made. It is > >eternally > > > >herenow. Whoever wants to enter into the stream of eternal > >existence > > > >is bound to hear it. It says nothing, but it vibrates your being > >to > > > >such joy, to such celebration, to such dance that you have never > > > >dreamt of before. > > > > > > > >I hope and pray that at all times we focus towards the "TRUTH". > >The > > > >Inner Truth, The Truth of the SELF, The very being of existence, > > > >Supreme consciousness. > > > > > > > >Isnt this the UNIVERSAL REMEDY? Isnt this the UNIVERSE? Isnt this > > > >the Creator? Isnt this calling US? > > > > > > > >Need I say more. > > > > > > > >Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti. > > > > > > > > > > > >--Sanjay Aggarwal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~! 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Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 As we humans are most important creature on this earth now, we are thinking of ourselves only. What about other creatures? Say - Dynasoures who ruled the earth for about 40 million years that was about 80 to 100 millions years ago. What type of God ,they would have concieved. Similar to ours ?!! Or say Non animate things (Jar), is God relevant to all Jar or chetan ?? Is a non animate thing merged with God? Inder - In , Sanjay Chadha <chadhatony> wrote: > Sometime I wonder - may be human being is the science fiction that we all see in the robot movies - God created us in his factory with some predefined program and series of activities. When we die and go back to him, he utilizes our reusable component (soul) and positions it into the new body depending on our performance in this lifespan. If we do exceptionally well he relishes his design and may not want us to go back to another body so that he can design better ones. To acheive truth may be to understand better what our creator likes and dislikes and that one can only understand by the power of meditation and self realization. So that may be what you call as acheiving him. > > I hope this makes sense. Even if it does not thats fine :-) > > Regards > > Sanjay > > sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote: > Nice, > > My additional thoughts--> The seed of the world is "I", the supreme > TRUTH. Consciousness, and it is the same for everybody. It belongs > equally to all. That consciousness exists within itself and in the > same measure it exists in us and in everyone -- in you, in me, in > Buddha, in Jesus, in Allah, in Rama, in Krishna. > > The inner truth that exists inside me also exists inside you and > everybody else. There is not the slightest difference. The only > difference is perception. One has to make it reveal to oneself. If > one would also turn within, then the same stream that flows out of > my body would flow out of yours,his, hers and everyone else. Isnt > it? Tryly speaking in Gods creation there is no disparity. There is > no equality. > > In one factory the same objects are manufactured. They all are > identical. Similarly everything is the same in the Lords factory. > > Or isnt it :-)? > > Warm Regards. > > --Sanjay Aggarwal > > , "Curtis Burns" > <curtisburns@q...> wrote: > > I certainly believe that after God-realization we do merge with > God but we > > continue in our illusory "separateness", even from the Heaven > worlds. Did > > not Jesus return to speak to Paul and then also to give the Book > of > > Revelations. In the East many of the saints are prayed to long > after they > > are gone, why do that if they are no more? > > > > The Universe is too magnificiently vast not to have it peopled by > wonderous > > cosmic beings who are manifestations of God-Ishwara-Krishna- Vishnu > Himself. > > > > Curtis > > > > > > At 12:10 AM 3/3/2004, you wrote: > > >All: > > > > > >We might have always wondered on this question: Once a person has > > >attained God-Realization and no longer has to exist within the > > >physical body, does he continue to keep some individual aspect to > > >serve God? Does he continue to be God's servant eternally, or does > > >he actually merge with the Absolute and become God? > > > > > >I am making a humble attempt to answer this. Hope it makes sense. > If > > >it does not, it is fine too :-). > > > > > >--Once a persons individuality has merged with God, then all > feeling > > >of sperateness is finished What remains is the feeling of Godhood. > > >If a river is flowing and meets with the ocean, then it merges > into > > >the ocean and the individual existence of the river is finishes. > > >However, the ocean still exists. Doesnt it? > > > > > >What happens in the state of realization is that a persons > > >individuality merges into GOD or the SELF. Then he or she attains > > >cosmis awareness. Or doesnt he? After that, he serves other > people. > > >Many people have the feeling that once a person attains God > > >realization he becomes useless. but has God retired? So far he has > > >not retired. He continues to function. For this reason a person > who > > >has attained GOD will continue to serve other people. his goal > will > > >be to make others attain God? Or will it not? > > > > > >Now, those who have gone within themselves have always heard a > > >strange sound, which can only be called the sound of existence > > >itself. It is difficult to reduce that sound into language. Hence > > >for centuries, as far back as we can go, Om, the sound, has been > > >represented not by any alphabetical word but by a symbol. > > >That symbol is beyond any alphabet. It does not belong to any > > >language. There is no other symbol in the whole world which does > not > > >belong to any particular language, but is simply symbolic of a > > >certain experience that can happen to anyone. And why have they > not > > >reduced it to some linguistic form? It is not without reason. > > > > > >Om tat sat -- that is the Truth > > > > > >This sound of Om is our very truth, is our very being. We are made > > >of it. The sound of Om is heard only when your mind is completely > > >silent, when you have gone beyond all language, all thinking, when > > >there is pure silence, not even a ripple. It is not exactly Om, > but > > >Om comes the closest to expressing the sound. And the sound has > been > > >called the divine sound because it is not man-made. It is > eternally > > >herenow. Whoever wants to enter into the stream of eternal > existence > > >is bound to hear it. It says nothing, but it vibrates your being > to > > >such joy, to such celebration, to such dance that you have never > > >dreamt of before. > > > > > >I hope and pray that at all times we focus towards the "TRUTH". > The > > >Inner Truth, The Truth of the SELF, The very being of existence, > > >Supreme consciousness. > > > > > >Isnt this the UNIVERSAL REMEDY? Isnt this the UNIVERSE? Isnt this > > >the Creator? Isnt this calling US? > > > > > >Need I say more. > > > > > >Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti. > > > > > > > > >--Sanjay Aggarwal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~! 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Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 1. From where we have come -> from God himself. 2. Then we all did karma due to which we have fallen into the cycle of karma and its phal-results. 3. This cycle breaks only if current karma does not bear any fruits and past karmas seeds are burnt in the fire of tapas. 4. If one, who has attained God-realisation starts doing karma like a common person, he again will fall into this cycle. regards, Pankaj sanjaytechnology [sanjaytechnology] Wednesday, March 03, 2004 11:41 AM Amazing Truth. All: We might have always wondered on this question: Once a person has attained God-Realization and no longer has to exist within the physical body, does he continue to keep some individual aspect to serve God? Does he continue to be God's servant eternally, or does he actually merge with the Absolute and become God? I am making a humble attempt to answer this. Hope it makes sense. If it does not, it is fine too :-). --Once a persons individuality has merged with God, then all feeling of sperateness is finished What remains is the feeling of Godhood. If a river is flowing and meets with the ocean, then it merges into the ocean and the individual existence of the river is finishes. However, the ocean still exists. Doesnt it? What happens in the state of realization is that a persons individuality merges into GOD or the SELF. Then he or she attains cosmis awareness. Or doesnt he? After that, he serves other people. Many people have the feeling that once a person attains God realization he becomes useless. but has God retired? So far he has not retired. He continues to function. For this reason a person who has attained GOD will continue to serve other people. his goal will be to make others attain God? Or will it not? Now, those who have gone within themselves have always heard a strange sound, which can only be called the sound of existence itself. It is difficult to reduce that sound into language. Hence for centuries, as far back as we can go, Om, the sound, has been represented not by any alphabetical word but by a symbol. That symbol is beyond any alphabet. It does not belong to any language. There is no other symbol in the whole world which does not belong to any particular language, but is simply symbolic of a certain experience that can happen to anyone. And why have they not reduced it to some linguistic form? It is not without reason. Om tat sat -- that is the Truth This sound of Om is our very truth, is our very being. We are made of it. The sound of Om is heard only when your mind is completely silent, when you have gone beyond all language, all thinking, when there is pure silence, not even a ripple. It is not exactly Om, but Om comes the closest to expressing the sound. And the sound has been called the divine sound because it is not man-made. It is eternally herenow. Whoever wants to enter into the stream of eternal existence is bound to hear it. It says nothing, but it vibrates your being to such joy, to such celebration, to such dance that you have never dreamt of before. I hope and pray that at all times we focus towards the "TRUTH". The Inner Truth, The Truth of the SELF, The very being of existence, Supreme consciousness. Isnt this the UNIVERSAL REMEDY? Isnt this the UNIVERSE? Isnt this the Creator? Isnt this calling US? Need I say more. Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti. --Sanjay Aggarwal ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 are laws of gravitation ir-relevant to stones, animals birds etc; because they don't know there is some force of gravitation. Is doesn't matter whether we believe in some universal truth or not. truth is not dependent on public vote. its existence is enough & sufficient for its validity ir-respective of others opinion about it. Pankaj indervohra2001 [indervohra2001] Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:06 PM Re: Amazing Truth. As we humans are most important creature on this earth now, we are thinking of ourselves only. What about other creatures? Say - Dynasoures who ruled the earth for about 40 million years that was about 80 to 100 millions years ago. What type of God ,they would have concieved. Similar to ours ?!! Or say Non animate things (Jar), is God relevant to all Jar or chetan ?? Is a non animate thing merged with God? Inder - In , Sanjay Chadha <chadhatony> wrote: > Sometime I wonder - may be human being is the science fiction that we all see in the robot movies - God created us in his factory with some predefined program and series of activities. When we die and go back to him, he utilizes our reusable component (soul) and positions it into the new body depending on our performance in this lifespan. If we do exceptionally well he relishes his design and may not want us to go back to another body so that he can design better ones. To acheive truth may be to understand better what our creator likes and dislikes and that one can only understand by the power of meditation and self realization. So that may be what you call as acheiving him. > > I hope this makes sense. Even if it does not thats fine :-) > > Regards > > Sanjay > > sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote: > Nice, > > My additional thoughts--> The seed of the world is "I", the supreme > TRUTH. Consciousness, and it is the same for everybody. It belongs > equally to all. That consciousness exists within itself and in the > same measure it exists in us and in everyone -- in you, in me, in > Buddha, in Jesus, in Allah, in Rama, in Krishna. > > The inner truth that exists inside me also exists inside you and > everybody else. There is not the slightest difference. The only > difference is perception. One has to make it reveal to oneself. If > one would also turn within, then the same stream that flows out of > my body would flow out of yours,his, hers and everyone else. Isnt > it? Tryly speaking in Gods creation there is no disparity. There is > no equality. > > In one factory the same objects are manufactured. They all are > identical. Similarly everything is the same in the Lords factory. > > Or isnt it :-)? > > Warm Regards. > > --Sanjay Aggarwal > > , "Curtis Burns" > <curtisburns@q...> wrote: > > I certainly believe that after God-realization we do merge with > God but we > > continue in our illusory "separateness", even from the Heaven > worlds. Did > > not Jesus return to speak to Paul and then also to give the Book > of > > Revelations. In the East many of the saints are prayed to long > after they > > are gone, why do that if they are no more? > > > > The Universe is too magnificiently vast not to have it peopled by > wonderous > > cosmic beings who are manifestations of God-Ishwara-Krishna- Vishnu > Himself. > > > > Curtis > > > > > > At 12:10 AM 3/3/2004, you wrote: > > >All: > > > > > >We might have always wondered on this question: Once a person has > > >attained God-Realization and no longer has to exist within the > > >physical body, does he continue to keep some individual aspect to > > >serve God? Does he continue to be God's servant eternally, or does > > >he actually merge with the Absolute and become God? > > > > > >I am making a humble attempt to answer this. Hope it makes sense. > If > > >it does not, it is fine too :-). > > > > > >--Once a persons individuality has merged with God, then all > feeling > > >of sperateness is finished What remains is the feeling of Godhood. > > >If a river is flowing and meets with the ocean, then it merges > into > > >the ocean and the individual existence of the river is finishes. > > >However, the ocean still exists. Doesnt it? > > > > > >What happens in the state of realization is that a persons > > >individuality merges into GOD or the SELF. Then he or she attains > > >cosmis awareness. Or doesnt he? After that, he serves other > people. > > >Many people have the feeling that once a person attains God > > >realization he becomes useless. but has God retired? So far he has > > >not retired. He continues to function. For this reason a person > who > > >has attained GOD will continue to serve other people. his goal > will > > >be to make others attain God? Or will it not? > > > > > >Now, those who have gone within themselves have always heard a > > >strange sound, which can only be called the sound of existence > > >itself. It is difficult to reduce that sound into language. Hence > > >for centuries, as far back as we can go, Om, the sound, has been > > >represented not by any alphabetical word but by a symbol. > > >That symbol is beyond any alphabet. It does not belong to any > > >language. There is no other symbol in the whole world which does > not > > >belong to any particular language, but is simply symbolic of a > > >certain experience that can happen to anyone. And why have they > not > > >reduced it to some linguistic form? It is not without reason. > > > > > >Om tat sat -- that is the Truth > > > > > >This sound of Om is our very truth, is our very being. We are made > > >of it. The sound of Om is heard only when your mind is completely > > >silent, when you have gone beyond all language, all thinking, when > > >there is pure silence, not even a ripple. It is not exactly Om, > but > > >Om comes the closest to expressing the sound. And the sound has > been > > >called the divine sound because it is not man-made. It is > eternally > > >herenow. Whoever wants to enter into the stream of eternal > existence > > >is bound to hear it. It says nothing, but it vibrates your being > to > > >such joy, to such celebration, to such dance that you have never > > >dreamt of before. > > > > > >I hope and pray that at all times we focus towards the "TRUTH". > The > > >Inner Truth, The Truth of the SELF, The very being of existence, > > >Supreme consciousness. > > > > > >Isnt this the UNIVERSAL REMEDY? Isnt this the UNIVERSE? Isnt this > > >the Creator? Isnt this calling US? > > > > > >Need I say more. > > > > > >Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti. > > > > > > > > >--Sanjay Aggarwal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~! 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Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Manoshi"." <ssa (AT) ner (DOT) railnet.gov.in> wrote: are laws of gravitation ir-relevant to stones, animals birds etc; becausethey don't know there is some force of gravitation.Is doesn't matter whether we believe in some universal truth or not. truthis not dependent on public vote. its existence is enough & sufficient forits validity ir-respective of others opinion about it.Pankajindervohra2001 [indervohra2001 (AT) (DOT) co.in]Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:06 PMTo: Subject: Re: Amazing Truth.As we humans are most important creature on this earth now, we arethinking of ourselves only.What about other creatures?Say - Dynasoures who ruled the earth for about 40 million yearsthat was about 80 to 100 millions years ago.What type of God ,they would have concieved. Similar to ours ?!!Or sayNon animate things (Jar), is God relevant to all Jar or chetan ??Is a non animate thing merged with God?Inder- In , Sanjay Chadha<chadhatony> wrote:> Sometime I wonder - may be human being is the science fiction thatwe all see in the robot movies - God created us in his factory withsome predefined program and series of activities. When we die and goback to him, he utilizes our reusable component (soul) and positionsit into the new body depending on our performance in this lifespan.If we do exceptionally well he relishes his design and may not wantus to go back to another body so that he can design better ones. Toacheive truth may be to understand better what our creator likes anddislikes and that one can only understand by the power of meditationand self realization. So that may be what you call as acheiving him.>> I hope this makes sense. Even if it does not thats fine :-)>> Regards>> Sanjay>> sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote:> Nice,>> My additional thoughts--> The seed of the world is "I", thesupreme> TRUTH. Consciousness, and it is the same for everybody. It belongs> equally to all. That consciousness exists within itself and in the> same measure it exists in us and in everyone -- in you, in me, in> Buddha, in Jesus, in Allah, in Rama, in Krishna.>> The inner truth that exists inside me also exists inside you and> everybody else. There is not the slightest difference. The only> difference is perception. One has to make it reveal to oneself. If> one would also turn within, then the same stream that flows out of> my body would flow out of yours,his, hers and everyone else. Isnt> it? Tryly speaking in Gods creation there is no disparity. Thereis> no equality.>> In one factory the same objects are manufactured. They all are> identical. Similarly everything is the same in the Lords factory.>> Or isnt it :-)?>> Warm Regards.>> --Sanjay Aggarwal>> --- In , "Curtis Burns"> <curtisburns@q...> wrote:> > I certainly believe that after God-realization we do merge with> God but we> > continue in our illusory "separateness", even from the Heaven> worlds. Did> > not Jesus return to speak to Paul and then also to give the Book> of> > Revelations. In the East many of the saints are prayed to long> after they> > are gone, why do that if they are no more?> >> > The Universe is too magnificiently vast not to have it peopledby> wonderous> > cosmic beings who are manifestations of God-Ishwara-Krishna-Vishnu> Himself.> >> > Curtis> >> >> > At 12:10 AM 3/3/2004, you wrote:> > >All:> > >> > >We might have always wondered on this question: Once a personhas> > >attained God-Realization and no longer has to exist within the> > >physical body, does he continue to keep some individual aspectto> > >serve God? Does he continue to be God's servant eternally, ordoes> > >he actually merge with the Absolute and become God?> > >> > >I am making a humble attempt to answer this. Hope it makessense.> If> > >it does not, it is fine too :-).> > >> > >--Once a persons individuality has merged with God, then all> feeling> > >of sperateness is finished What remains is the feeling ofGodhood.> > >If a river is flowing and meets with the ocean, then it merges> into> > >the ocean and the individual existence of the river is finishes.> > >However, the ocean still exists. Doesnt it?> > >> > >What happens in the state of realization is that a persons> > >individuality merges into GOD or the SELF. Then he or sheattains> > >cosmis awareness. Or doesnt he? After that, he serves other> people.> > >Many people have the feeling that once a person attains God> > >realization he becomes useless. but has God retired? So far hehas> > >not retired. He continues to function. For this reason a person> who> > >has attained GOD will continue to serve other people. his goal> will> > >be to make others attain God? Or will it not?> > >> > >Now, those who have gone within themselves have always heard a> > >strange sound, which can only be called the sound of existence> > >itself. It is difficult to reduce that sound into language.Hence> > >for centuries, as far back as we can go, Om, the sound, has been> > >represented not by any alphabetical word but by a symbol.> > >That symbol is beyond any alphabet. It does not belong to any> > >language. There is no other symbol in the whole world whichdoes> not> > >belong to any particular language, but is simply symbolic of a> > >certain experience that can happen to anyone. And why have they> not> > >reduced it to some linguistic form? It is not without reason.> > >> > >Om tat sat -- that is the Truth> > >> > >This sound of Om is our very truth, is our very being. We aremade> > >of it. The sound of Om is heard only when your mind iscompletely> > >silent, when you have gone beyond all language, all thinking,when> > >there is pure silence, not even a ripple. It is not exactly Om,> but> > >Om comes the closest to expressing the sound. And the sound has> been> > >called the divine sound because it is not man-made. It is> eternally> > >herenow. Whoever wants to enter into the stream of eternal> existence> > >is bound to hear it. It says nothing, but it vibrates yourbeing> to> > >such joy, to such celebration, to such dance that you have never> > >dreamt of before.> > >> > >I hope and pray that at all times we focus towards the "TRUTH".> The> > >Inner Truth, The Truth of the SELF, The very being of existence,> > >Supreme consciousness.> > >> > >Isnt this the UNIVERSAL REMEDY? Isnt this the UNIVERSE? Isntthis> > >the Creator? Isnt this calling US?> > >> > >Need I say more.> > >> > >Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.> > >> > >> > >--Sanjay Aggarwal> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >~! 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Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 This performance comes from our freedom in 3, 6 10, 11 houses only. If that freedom is not there how we will perform. Sanjay Chadha [chadhatony ]Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:27 PMSubject: Re: Re: Amazing Truth. Sometime I wonder - may be human being is the science fiction that we all see in the robot movies - God created us in his factory with some predefined program and series of activities. When we die and go back to him, he utilizes our reusable component (soul) and positions it into the new body depending on our performance in this lifespan. If we do exceptionally well he relishes his design and may not want us to go back to another body so that he can design better ones. To acheive truth may be to understand better what our creator likes and dislikes and that one can only understand by the power of meditation and self realization. So that may be what you call as acheiving him. I hope this makes sense. Even if it does not thats fine :-) Regards Sanjay~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Thanks Manoshi Chatterjee [khallopapa ]Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:17 AMTo: Subject: RE: Re: Amazing Truth. Beautifully explained Pankaj. Manoshi"." <ssa (AT) ner (DOT) railnet.gov.in> wrote: are laws of gravitation ir-relevant to stones, animals birds etc; becausethey don't know there is some force of gravitation.Is doesn't matter whether we believe in some universal truth or not. truthis not dependent on public vote. its existence is enough & sufficient forits validity ir-respective of others opinion about it.Pankajindervohra2001 [indervohra2001 (AT) (DOT) co.in]Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:06 PMTo: Subject: Re: Amazing Truth.As we humans are most important creature on this earth now, we arethinking of ourselves only.What about other creatures?Say - Dynasoures who ruled the earth for about 40 million yearsthat was about 80 to 100 millions years ago.What type of God ,they would have concieved. Similar to ours ?!!Or sayNon animate things (Jar), is God relevant to all Jar or chetan ??Is a non animate thing merged with God?Inder- In , Sanjay Chadha<chadhatony> wrote:> Sometime I wonder - may be human being is the science fiction thatwe all see in the robot movies - God created us in his factory withsome predefined program and series of activities. When we die and goback to him, he utilizes our reusable component (soul) and positionsit into the new body depending on our performance in this lifespan.If we do exceptionally well he relishes his design and may not wantus to go back to another body so that he can design better ones. Toacheive truth may be to understand better what our creator likes anddislikes and that one can only understand by the power of meditationand self realization. So that may be what you call as acheiving him.>> I hope this makes sense. Even if it does not thats fine :-)>> Regards>> Sanjay>> sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> wrote:> Nice,>> My additional thoughts--> The seed of the world is "I", thesupreme> TRUTH. Consciousness, and it is the same for everybody. It belongs> equally to all. That consciousness exists within itself and in the> same measure it exists in us and in everyone -- in you, in me, in> Buddha, in Jesus, in Allah, in Rama, in Krishna.>> The inner truth that exists inside me also exists inside you and> everybody else. There is not the slightest difference. The only> difference is perception. One has to make it reveal to oneself. If> one would also turn within, then the same stream that flows out of> my body would flow out of yours,his, hers and everyone else. Isnt> it? Tryly speaking in Gods creation there is no disparity. Thereis> no equality.>> In one factory the same objects are manufactured. They all are> identical. Similarly everything is the same in the Lords factory.>> Or isnt it :-)?>> Warm Regards.>> --Sanjay Aggarwal>> --- In , "Curtis Burns"> <curtisburns@q...> wrote:> > I certainly believe that after God-realization we do merge with> God but we> > continue in our illusory "separateness", even from the Heaven> worlds. Did> > not Jesus return to speak to Paul and then also to give the Book> of> > Revelations. In the East many of the saints are prayed to long> after they> > are gone, why do that if they are no more?> >> > The Universe is too magnificiently vast not to have it peopledby> wonderous> > cosmic beings who are manifestations of God-Ishwara-Krishna-Vishnu> Himself.> >> > Curtis> >> >> > At 12:10 AM 3/3/2004, you wrote:> > >All:> > >> > >We might have always wondered on this question: Once a personhas> > >attained God-Realization and no longer has to exist within the> > >physical body, does he continue to keep some individual aspectto> > >serve God? Does he continue to be God's servant eternally, ordoes> > >he actually merge with the Absolute and become God?> > >> > >I am making a humble attempt to answer this. Hope it makessense.> If> > >it does not, it is fine too :-).> > >> > >--Once a persons individuality has merged with God, then all> feeling> > >of sperateness is finished What remains is the feeling ofGodhood.> > >If a river is flowing and meets with the ocean, then it merges> into> > >the ocean and the individual existence of the river is finishes.> > >However, the ocean still exists. Doesnt it?> > >> > >What happens in the state of realization is that a persons> > >individuality merges into GOD or the SELF. Then he or sheattains> > >cosmis awareness. Or doesnt he? After that, he serves other> people.> > >Many people have the feeling that once a person attains God> > >realization he becomes useless. but has God retired? So far hehas> > >not retired. He continues to function. For this reason a person> who> > >has attained GOD will continue to serve other people. his goal> will> > >be to make others attain God? Or will it not?> > >> > >Now, those who have gone within themselves have always heard a> > >strange sound, which can only be called the sound of existence> > >itself. It is difficult to reduce that sound into language.Hence> > >for centuries, as far back as we can go, Om, the sound, has been> > >represented not by any alphabetical word but by a symbol.> > >That symbol is beyond any alphabet. It does not belong to any> > >language. There is no other symbol in the whole world whichdoes> not> > >belong to any particular language, but is simply symbolic of a> > >certain experience that can happen to anyone. And why have they> not> > >reduced it to some linguistic form? It is not without reason.> > >> > >Om tat sat -- that is the Truth> > >> > >This sound of Om is our very truth, is our very being. We aremade> > >of it. The sound of Om is heard only when your mind iscompletely> > >silent, when you have gone beyond all language, all thinking,when> > >there is pure silence, not even a ripple. It is not exactly Om,> but> > >Om comes the closest to expressing the sound. And the sound has> been> > >called the divine sound because it is not man-made. It is> eternally> > >herenow. Whoever wants to enter into the stream of eternal> existence> > >is bound to hear it. It says nothing, but it vibrates yourbeing> to> > >such joy, to such celebration, to such dance that you have never> > >dreamt of before.> > >> > >I hope and pray that at all times we focus towards the "TRUTH".> The> > >Inner Truth, The Truth of the SELF, The very being of existence,> > >Supreme consciousness.> > >> > >Isnt this the UNIVERSAL REMEDY? Isnt this the UNIVERSE? Isntthis> > >the Creator? Isnt this calling US?> > >> > >Need I say more.> > >> > >Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.> > >> > >> > >--Sanjay Aggarwal> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >~! 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Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Well - Yes one can change a lot of things for himself with a limitation : How much he can change is destined by his past Karmas. Understand like this -> If you have good past Karmas and there is a problem in this life with you : then you have more freedom/power/access to change the things the way you want. But having access to change the things does not mean that you or anybody else uses fullest liberty given. Then you decide how much efforts you will make, which will generate new seeds for future. But if you have bad karmas from past, even if you want to change you are not are not having permissions to do so beyond a limit. Its like length of a rope which ties a cow from a tree. If rope is longer, cow CAN move around in longer radius IF it wants to. But if the rope is shorter, it can't go beyond a limit EVENIF it wants to. Yogis get this length increased with success in their saadhana, but they never misuse it in showing chamatkaars etc as it further generates seeds for future and thus a hurdle in next birth/ mukti. I have nothing more to say Pankaj [.] Sanjay Chadha [chadhatony ]Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:35 AMTo: Subject: RE: Re: Amazing Truth. Well - then one can probably change a lot of things for himself if that is the case. I thought everything is destined?"." <ssa (AT) ner (DOT) railnet.gov.in> wrote: This performance comes from our freedom in 3, 6 10, 11 houses only. If that freedom is not there how we will perform. Sanjay Chadha [chadhatony ]Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:27 PMSubject: Re: Re: Amazing Truth. Sometime I wonder - may be human being is the science fiction that we all see in the robot movies - God created us in his factory with some predefined program and series of activities. When we die and go back to him, he utilizes our reusable component (soul) and positions it into the new body depending on our performance in this lifespan. If we do exceptionally well he relishes his design and may not want us to go back to another body so that he can design better ones. To acheive truth may be to understand better what our creator likes and dislikes and that one can only understand by the power of meditation and self realization. So that may be what you call as acheiving him. I hope this makes sense. Even if it does not thats fine :-) Regards Sanjay~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Has any one wondered about these amazing visionaries who have founded religions and the parallels in their lives : On the surface nothing seems familiar but when one delves deep the similarity surfaces MOSES : ORPHAN, BIRTH UNKNOWN : ADOPTED AND BROUGHT UP AN EGYPTIAN PRINCE : DIED AS FOUNDER OF A NATION/RACE JESUS : BORN IN A STABLE : LIFE NOT EXTRAORDINARY : DIED A MARTYR BUDHA : BORN A PRINCE : DIED A HERMIT AND FOUNDER OF A RELIGION There is a striking similarity when one studies their lives. All these people at some point in life renounced the company of fellow men, went into solitary meditation and came back with wisdom. Moses with the 10 commandments, Budha with his paths to follow and Jesus with his religious principles. What did they find in the desert or in solitude. My personal belief is that they reconnected with the Universal Shakti or the Amazing Truth. They forged a strong link with the Spiritual Force. Was is Divya Vaani, and if so, the quest I think is to find this link. Life and its mundane problems would fade or at least diminish in perspective. I invite your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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