GHOR-TAMAS YOGA ( operates over 30 degree distance)

February 21, 2004

You have asked important points.

You must also know that still you have not carefully read HP.

Sphere of Rahu's influence extends to next houses which I call as VM houses.

It also has 3rd house aspect and 10th house aspects in reverse .

You must also consider ketu's aspects.

Answering your question about 8+/- , Rahu is effective over 30 degrees distance.

You must also check chalit kundali placements of the bhava.

In fact example I am going to give tomorrow whould answer your question about chalit placement.

Presently I have just started HP basics based on Rasi /Bhava placements and using Nakshatra Dasas.

I am working on different dasa which is showing immense promise for analysing

and predicting from a horoscope using HP.

I am trying to prove that you do not need to work using all those amsa charts,

different dasa, Tithi praves, etc. A simple method to give you a good picture

is what I aim at.

I have told this once and I am repeating here again,

WHENEVER WE ARE CALLED TO LEARN A NEW THING, WE HAVE PROBLEMS BECAUSE WE FIND IT

IS DIFFICULT TO UNLEARN THAN LEARN.

We always try to relate what we know to what we want to know.

There comes the clash.

Do not worry about GTY.

Pleasing Rahu is easiest of things.

Take care,

Rgds

Hemant Trivedigogatea <gogatea (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Harish,

Your narration on Ghor Tamasa yoga requires some clarification.

1) You have said Sani - Rahu combination. Do you think conjunction ( say + / - 8

Degrees difference ) would give more pronounced effects that just Sani and Rahu

in same rasi ? Also in chalit Kundali they may get placed in different sthanas.

2) Also Sani - Rahu yoga would give effects based on the Lagna and rasi in which

they are placed. How then one can generalize findings like these ?

Thanks

Anil

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chaturth kaal

Saturday, February 21, 2004 6:31 PM

GHOR-TAMAS YOGA....Explanation by HP theory.. with an example

Hello Friends,

As promised, I am posting first instalment of Explanation of GTY with HP method.

Hope that this will bring you closer to understanding Rahu Maharaj .

I have received some startling proofs from readers who have sent their life

stories which are very sad and painful.After getting their permission, I will

post their horoscopes to understand this yoga.

GHOR TAMAS YOGA

Saturn and Rahu combining in any house in a horoscope, leaves a lasting effect

on the bhava concerned and in addition it affects a lot of different facets of

life. I have seen effect of this yoga even after the person dies. His off

springs have been found to bear the brunt of the after effects of Ghor Tamas

Yoga.

This also affects wife, children, parents etc. during the life time.

I am trying to bring to you what I have observed during my Astro life on this

yoga, its effects and related things.

I have seen that their married life is always (Almost always) affected. They are

at both ends. Receiving end and imparting end. I have seen people with GTY

inflicting untold pain on their spouses and also seen women with GTY suffering

untold miseries due to their spouses inflicting pain/punishments etc.

GTY have been found to results in some cases in untimely death due to poisoning,

Overdose of drugs, excessive drinking, drowning or accidents etc.

I have seen that many people with GTY are intelligent, happy go lucky types,

some times brilliant economists, poets, painters, science and computer

scientists/researchers/ professionals. John Milton had it in 3rd house.

They are religious , some times going to extremes .They are fanatics to the core

for their beliefs. I know of an young man doing pooja for hours, offers

namaskaram to a single idol fifty sixty times in a row mumbling something. They

have obsession about religious rites , mantras, pooja etc. I have seen them

talking to themselves.

Some GTY people are Merciless in their pursuits. Extremely hungry and thirsty

for anything , may it be power, money , lust etc.

To get what they want, they move like road roller sparing nothing, crushing

destroying, killing all oppositions etc. They are deaf to all sensitivities and

sensibility. Caesar had in 8th house and Queen Victoria had it in 11th house.

They have a remarkable capability to plan and execute. They can go to any depth

to understand the subject. They have a remarkable capacity to store knowledge.

I have seen very humble persons with this combination.

They also show remarkable capacity to withstand pain and misery. They can laugh

at their problems, they make others laugh. I have seen ever smiling people with

this yoga. They can hide almost anything, including emotions. They can sacrifice

anything for their children's happiness.

Over the years, I have come to admire these people for their ability to stand like a rock.

GTY makes one gamble. They would sell everything to gamble. To get the money, to

gamble, they can go to any extreme. They have uncontrollable anger. This is

especially true if they have GTY in the fifth bhava or 12th bhava. As rulers

they would gamble anything to win eg. Tipu Sultan had it in 12th.

As enemies , it is not wise to have a person with GTY if this is present in 6th

house of your opponent.

They cheat their spouses , family to satisfy their lust if found in 7th and 10th

house. They would be prepared to go to any extreme to get their love.

Extremes of religion, ancestral pride going to fanaticism, raw un

calculativeness due to anger and rigid beliefs are present when 9th house is

affected. prophet Mohammed had GTY in 10th (Ketu+sani)

REASONS FOR GHOR-TAMAS-YOGA BEING SO EVIL.

GTY operates in different fashion than what we usually think. I am giving a

practical example of a typical GTY person. The reasons are given in discussing

his horoscope.

A lot has been written about this yoga and other Yogas found in a horoscope.

Generally no explanation is given for any yoga about the reasons for it being

good or bad except may be the yoga karakas being malefics or owing bad houses.

My explanation as per HP theory is based on pure logic and principles of HP.

Let us take the horoscope of a person .

MALE

dob : 4th January 1956

Time : 12.15 pm

Place : 18 E 22'

6 S 51' 39"

Lagna : Aquarius 26 degrees

Ketu : Taurus

Jupiter : Leo

Moon : Virgo

Sa+Ra+Ma: scorpio

Sun : Sagittarius

Ven+Merc: Capricorn

GTY IN 10TH HOUSE.

Effects : This person is a product of premier Business and engineering schools

of India. He is a brilliant strategist, presently working for an American s/w

company in India in a top position. Married with a 12 year old daughter.

1) Cheated wife all throughout married life till today.

2) Involved in criminal cases filed by govt corporation for technical fraud.

3) Has un satiable hunger for money and position.

4) Admitted to wife that he is a male prostitute serving his lady boss.

5) Mentally torturing his wife for number of years.

6) Does not care as to what world thinks of him.

7) Always telling lies.

8) Always working and planning to make MILLIONS on the side.

9) Always thinks only in crooked ways

10) Uses services of a Tantrik .

11) Highly superstitious. Does Uchhista Mantra Japas.

12) Presently pressurizing his wife for divorce.

13) His brothers are his enemies.

Parents are old and powerless. And unhappy.

HOW GTY OPERATES AS PER HP THEORY?

1) If you take present lagna as Badhaka Lagna (Since he has Rahu in 10th),

Saturn is his badha lagna Lord in 10th with Rahu. So he can never do straight

business. Rahu is aspecting BL with reverse 10th aspect.!!

His 7th lord Sun is in VM. So he will torture his wife.

Sun is his Atma, see it under GRAHANA by Rahu.

Now take Moon, his Manasa..Take reverse aspect of Rahu (As per HP, Sani Vat Rahu ).

Rahu aspects with 3rd full aspect. Hence his Mind also spoiled by Rahu.

Now take his 9th lord Venus the Dharmadhipati. Saturn aspects fully .Saturn now

is spoiled by being with Rahu. Making parents unhappy and caring a damn about

bad kirti to his family.

Take 5th lord Mercury. The lord of Thoughts and brain power.

Fully aspected by Spoiled Sani. Also affecting his daughter as it is 5th lord.

2nd lord Jupiter fully aspected by Saturn with 10th Aspect makes him always

short of money. Hence he will do anything for money.

A single GTY affecting a horoscope from both savya aspect (Clock wise)of Saturn

and Apasavya aspect (Anti clock wise) of Rahu.

It is like a fall out of Atomic debri from sky.

Thus this is the reason why Ghor Tamas Yoga affects people very badly.

IMPORTANT::::::

The beauty of HP method is

You can analyze this horoscope in YBL, KL, BL mode. And by any mode, the result

, always is almost the same.!!

You will be surprised that only HP method gives complete picture by looking at

this horoscope in any HP modes.

To be continued......

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February 21, 2004

Dear Harishbhai,

Very thoughtful answer. Yes I agree with most of your points. You keep on

posting so that we understand your research properly.

I have few examples where Moon - Rahu, Moon - Ketu being in same Rasi has given

tremendous negative effects to the person on psychological front irrespective of

difference in the degrees.

Just one point - Sani Rahu would be in one Rasi for a very long term , so it

will mean large section of population would be coming under this category as

against any aspects of Moon will not last for more than few days.

Anyway , we look forward to hearing from you,

Regards,

Anil

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chaturth kaal

Sunday, February 22, 2004 10:31 AM

Re: GHOR-TAMAS YOGA ( operates over 30 degree distance)

Hello Anil,