2-& Surya, 2/5....re....moksha & transcendental meditation....

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Dear Surya:

Thank you for your compliment. But, you should have seen me 30 years ago!

hehhe

I have Moon & Saturn in the 12th house in Virgo, in my chart...and I was shy,

prone to much loneliness and even depression.

Thank God, for my good Jupiter in the 6th....cuz....it seemed to lead me.... to the light!

And meditation.... Though I remember it taking about 6 months of practice, or experience

is a better word...and I really started to notice a difference.

Then after 2 years I noticed another huge shift...

And then 5...

then, 10...

and then....well on and on...

Who would have ever guessed that I'd be able to continue for this long?

hehehe

But, the nature of natural, effortless transcending kind of meditation means... it's easy

and has even gotten more and more easy....

Now, I know what it means...to allow the Grace of God.... to take over...

It's just natural, going on anyway....and yet we have a choice, either to get

in-tune with that or...not....

Let's see you asked:

I am not sure if you can talk about transcendental

> meditation .. but I would like to hear the basis and

> process in it??

In Transcendental Meditation, as taught by His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, is ...

that meditation should be easy and natural.

He had a great Master and Maharishi himself, says... he thought what with the

Vedas being so full of bliss and Brahman...etc. that it should be easy to

access that...

And he came up with this idea...that instead of resisting and instead of trying to meditate,

or trying to concentrate...maybe...

a better way could be found.

And he came up with this amazing insight into the Nature of the Mind, as well as meditation.

You'll hear it described sometimes....that the mind is a 'monkey mind'....

always bouncing around from here to there. And therefore you need to train

it, to be still...

So, concentration is recommended.

But, Maharishi knew how difficult this was from experience and the history of

yoga so he thought of a different way.

Later he's said, that I realized that it's actually already built in, to the

very nature of the mind..

that effortless transcending can work.

We don't try and meditate because TM is based on the natural tendency of the

mind to move towards more and more.

We're writing and or listening and suddenly from the other room, one of our

favorite songs comes on the radio.

Immediately, the mind shifts and moves towards and starts enjoying that

music...because it's so charming.

This experience shows that it's in the nature of the mind to go for more and more!

We don't have to do anything.

Like that.... we just learn to give the mind an inner direction...

and the whole, entire process of transcending....

deep within...

happens....

because it's inherently more and more blissful...the deeper and deeper you go!

Well, it's one thing to hear that.... and then when it became my experience, wow!

who would have ever thought!

So....good luck with your own progress....and I do look forward to hearing how you're doing

in another 30 years!

The other thing I've done in these years of my path...has been to add the wonderful study

and then insights of Jyotish!

This has made a wonderful supplement...to my consciousness expansion, experience from meditation.

And together.... Jyotish and yoga.... are an unbelievable...combination!!!

Though I quite enjoy the Ayurveda knowledge too.

When I was in India, in 1988, I was attending an Ayurvedic course and my

Maharishi was there and said:

"They must know Jyotish, because Ayurved & Jyotish go hand and hand."

So, coming back to the states, I started my journey into Jyotish...and now 16 years later I'm

so happy to report...even more insights and blessings from this wonderful Vedic science!

take care

Mark Kincaid

PS....I know you're on my list...for those of you who haven't heard: I also

write a Jyotish newsletter. It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as well

as other aspects of Jyotish as well. If anyone else in this group is

interested, in subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at:

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> surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv >

>

> Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:43:50 -0800 (PST)

>

> Re: 2- & Surya, 2/5....re....moksha

>

> Dear Mark,

>

> You really are lucky what else can I say?? you seem to

> be enjoying mental bliss all the time !!! I hope 30

> years down the line this will also be my own story !!

>

> You are right .. we need not get rid of karma ...

>

> here is something intersting:

> We need to do Punya (Good Karma) to elivate us to a

> state where invite good things in life and the grace

> of god .. after that neither punya nor papa matter...

> it's just a process of submitting to the divine will

> and accepting and willing to be worked upon by the god

> ...

>

> I am not sure if you can talk about transcendental

> meditation .. but I would like to hear the basis and

> process in it??

>

> Will you guys believe me if I told you that the other

> day I met a person who came to conduct a yagna here

> from the himalayas .. and his age was 115 years>?? and

> he barely looked 40 years with almost 14 feet long

> hair??? it took some 20 buckets of water to get his

> hair wet for Puja

>

>

> --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid (AT) mchsi (DOT) com> wrote:

>> Dear Surya:

>>

>> I love reading about Vedic knowledge. Having been a

>> student myself for over

>> 30 years now, it's still so stirring hearing about

>> all the amazing ways that

>> Ved has understood life.

>>

>> I've been on this yoga, sidha path now, for these

>> many years and I can

>> attest to the amazing benefit I've received from

>> years of powerful

>> meditative, transcendence.

>>

>> I can remember, especially where my consciousness

>> was at those 30 years ago

>> and I can only thank God....for being lead to this

>> progress.

>>

>> I can also attest to the extreme power that comes

>> from the grace of God,

>> also of which opens up more....during transcendence.

>>

>> Some don't realize that when you transcend....

>> you're actually not doing it,

>> a great understanding of transcending is that you

>> let nature conduct the

>> process.

>>

>> We begin it, so we gain benefit from that

>> choice....but even a little

>> effortless, experience shows what my teacher always

>> said, that nature or

>> God, is that which conducts transcendence.

>>

>> We just start and let go...and God pulls us to

>> himself....

>>

>> The mind and heart....moves inward toward that

>> transcendental glory not

>> through any effort...but by grace.

>>

>> Conducted as it is....due to the increasing charm

>> that each step

>> experiences... the whole process.... as if happens

>> by itself...

>>

>> Now, we can experience that moksha...is a natural

>> and effortless process.

>>

>> The only thing that's an effort is getting to a

>> chair, twice a day! heehe

>>

>> Though that is obviously more difficult then people

>> realize sometimes....

>>

>> But, once begun...it's due to the grace of

>> God....that we transcend

>> ourselves, our minds, our hearts, our bodies....

>> and even, all our karmas....

>>

>> I do believe, however, that karmas don't all have to

>> be.....destroyed...

>> but we use them, like a boat...to get to the other

>> shore...

>>

>> The boat itself is inconsequential... It just serves

>> us to find liberation.

>>

>>

>> Sincerely,

>>

>>

>>

>> Mark Kincaid

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>> surya vishnubhotla

>> <surya_prakashv >

>>>

>>> Thu, 5 Feb 2004 01:37:18 -0800 (PST)

>>>

>>> Re: moksha

>>>

>>> Dear Friend,

>>>

>>> There are four kinds of Karma that humans are

>>> subjected to as per Hindu shastra:

>>> two that represent fate :

>>> a) Sanchita karma - Our accumulated Karma from all

>>> past times

>>> b) Prarabdha Karma ? The Karma from our past lives

>>> kept for us to experience in our current life ..

>>>

>>> Two that represent free will:

>>> Kriyamana Karma ? This is our free will to take

>>> current actions to change our current life

>> situation.

>>> Agama Karma ? This is our free will to make a plan

>> or

>>> set an intention to take an action in the future.

>>>

>>> In addition to these 4 types of karma there are

>> three

>>> levels of magnitude in Karma :

>>> Fixed karma (Dridha) ? This is karma that cannot

>> be

>>> changed by any effort on our part. Only the grace

>> of

>>> God can alter fixed karma (Dridha).

>>>

>>> Mixed karma (Dridha/Adridha) ? This is karma that

>> can

>>> be changed but only with substantial effort.

>>>

>>> Non-Fixed karma (Adridha) ? This is karma that can

>> be

>>> easily changed with some effort.

>>>

>>> It's not so easy to break away from the karma of

>> the

>>> past ... unless we sufficiently advance in our

>>> spiritual growth ... There are specific ways

>> though

>>> rigerous to break from karma and attain moksha ...

>>>

>>> Raja yoga, siddha yoga, sahaja yoga claim to clear

>>> karma when followed rigerously ... and luckily

>> none of

>>> them need you to give up your normal life for

>>> advancement ...

>>>

>>> There is another theory ... of the 7 chakras from

>> the

>>> Muladhara to Sahasrara ... the bottom 3 correspond

>> to

>>> the spiritual plane .. the top 3 to the spiritual

>>> plane ... the Heart chakra to both the planes ..

>> so

>>> balancing Heart chakra by cleaning it will slowly

>>> elevate a person towards the higher reaches of

>>> spirituality ... and when one is able to

>> synchronize

>>> all the chakras and make energy flow from

>> muladhara to

>>> sahasrara one attains liberation ..

>>>

>>> This is very loosely said ... I hope we can talk

>> about

>>> this more later bye for now

>>>

>>> Surya.

>>>

>>>

>>> --- jayanshul <jayanshul > wrote:

>>>> To Jyotish remedies members,

>>>>

>>>> 1..Does anyone has ideas how a married person

>> with

>>>> children can

>>>> attain moksha?

>>>>

>>>> 2..I understand that to attain moksha your pap

>> karma

>>>> should be paid

>>>> off.How can we nullify the pap karmas ?

>>>>

>>>> 3.any suggestions

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> nina

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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Mark,

 

Thanks for your response.

 

There is only one solace .. never mind where humanity

stands today ... one day everyone has to reach the

same destination !!

 

I enjoyed this mail of yours ... Let me digest what

you have said and come back with with some correlation

to my own thougths ..

 

I think it makes perfect sense .. I mean medicin and

astrology ... I enjoy homeopathy ... and sometimes I

cant help but wonder that using astrology (or simple

numerology or even just palmistry) will lend to

accuracy of diagnosis ... for example a Predominantly

Cancerian tendencies should indicate to look for

mental and emotional effects on the symptoms

(Homeopathy is wonderfully symptomatic ) and that

would lead you to a totally different line of

medication ...

similarly in ayurveda the different constitutions seem

to correspond to different natures of zodiac

themselves ... it's all one beautiful blend !!!

 

 

 

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

> Dear Surya:

>

>

>

> Thank you for your compliment. But, you should have

> seen me 30 years ago!

> hehhe

>

> I have Moon & Saturn in the 12th house in Virgo, in

> my chart...and I was

> shy,

> prone to much loneliness and even depression.

>

> Thank God, for my good Jupiter in the

> 6th....cuz....it seemed to lead me....

> to the light!

>

> And meditation.... Though I remember it taking

> about 6 months of practice,

> or experience

> is a better word...and I really started to notice a

> difference.

>

> Then after 2 years I noticed another huge shift...

> And then 5...

> then, 10...

> and then....well on and on...

>

> Who would have ever guessed that I'd be able to

> continue for this long?

> hehehe

> But, the nature of natural, effortless transcending

> kind of meditation

> means... it's easy

> and has even gotten more and more easy....

>

> Now, I know what it means...to allow the Grace of

> God.... to take over...

>

> It's just natural, going on anyway....and yet we

> have a choice, either to

> get in-tune with that or...not....

>

> Let's see you asked:

>

> I am not sure if you can talk about transcendental

> > meditation .. but I would like to hear the basis

> and

> > process in it??

>

>

> In Transcendental Meditation, as taught by His

> Holiness Maharishi Mahesh

> Yogi, is ...

> that meditation should be easy and natural.

>

> He had a great Master and Maharishi himself, says...

> he thought what with

> the Vedas being so full of bliss and Brahman...etc.

> that it should be easy

> to access that...

>

> And he came up with this idea...that instead of

> resisting and instead of

> trying to meditate,

> or trying to concentrate...maybe...

> a better way could be found.

>

> And he came up with this amazing insight into the

> Nature of the Mind, as

> well as meditation.

>

> You'll hear it described sometimes....that the mind

> is a 'monkey mind'....

> always bouncing around from here to there. And

> therefore you need to train

> it, to be still...

>

> So, concentration is recommended.

>

> But, Maharishi knew how difficult this was from

> experience and the history

> of yoga so he thought of a different way.

>

> Later he's said, that I realized that it's actually

> already built in, to the

> very nature of the mind..

> that effortless transcending can work.

>

> We don't try and meditate because TM is based on the

> natural tendency of the

> mind to move towards more and more.

>

> We're writing and or listening and suddenly from the

> other room, one of our

> favorite songs comes on the radio.

>

> Immediately, the mind shifts and moves towards and

> starts enjoying that

> music...because it's so charming.

>

> This experience shows that it's in the nature of the

> mind to go for more and

> more!

> We don't have to do anything.

>

> Like that.... we just learn to give the mind an

> inner direction...

> and the whole, entire process of transcending....

> deep within...

>

> happens....

>

> because it's inherently more and more blissful...the

> deeper and deeper you

> go!

>

> Well, it's one thing to hear that.... and then when

> it became my experience,

> wow!

> who would have ever thought!

>

> So....good luck with your own progress....and I do

> look forward to hearing

> how you're doing

> in another 30 years!

>

>

> The other thing I've done in these years of my

> path...has been to add the

> wonderful study

> and then insights of Jyotish!

>

>

> This has made a wonderful supplement...to my

> consciousness expansion,

> experience from meditation.

>

> And together.... Jyotish and yoga.... are an

> unbelievable...combination!!!

>

> Though I quite enjoy the Ayurveda knowledge too.

>

> When I was in India, in 1988, I was attending an

> Ayurvedic course and my

> Maharishi was there and said:

>

> "They must know Jyotish, because Ayurved & Jyotish

> go hand and hand."

>

> So, coming back to the states, I started my journey

> into Jyotish...and now

> 16 years later I'm

> so happy to report...even more insights and

> blessings from this wonderful

> Vedic science!

>

> take care

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

>

> PS....I know you're on my list...for those of you

> who haven't heard: I also

> write a Jyotish newsletter. It includes a daily,

> Transits newsletter as

> well as other aspects of Jyotish as well. If

> anyone else in this group is

> interested, in subscribing, feel free to contact me

> personally at:

> m.kincaid And the newsletter is free.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > surya vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv

> >

> > Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:43:50 -0800 (PST)

> >

> > Re: 2- & Surya, 2/5....re....moksha

> >

> > Dear Mark,

> >

> > You really are lucky what else can I say?? you

> seem to

> > be enjoying mental bliss all the time !!! I hope

> 30

> > years down the line this will also be my own story

> !!

> >

> > You are right .. we need not get rid of karma ...

> >

>

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