Need info for research/off topic

February 5, 2004

Hi…

I'm on a group on topica called panastroforum and we're

doing a very interesting research study (which may eventually be put

in book form by the owner of that group) on those of mixed race

descent….and the Chiron/Pluto connections involved. This will be

treated anonymously and only the owner and myself will have access

to 'who' is who.

Keep in mind I am merely gathering data for the group there. We are

not debating the fine points of what mixed race is. We are

specifically looking for those of parents who are obviously different

colors such as black/white descent or brown/white descent. People

are visually oriented for the most part and tend to discriminate

based on visual judgement calls (unless you are intelligent and

tolerant which seems to be rare in the vast majority of people).

This particular research is also linked to the first slave ship known

landing info we have in something like 1620 or so on the east coast

of which we have the chart for. The connections between the african

american's of mixed race are something we also wish to study...a

person's chart and the chart of the ship. Being part white/part

black (when you know you are part white and part black...not some

possible link from one hundred years ago) also brings up the idea

of 'being a product of slavery and white slaveowners in America' and

what that looks like chartwise.

If you would like to donate your birthdata…date, time and place of

birth and give us permission to look at your chart and ask you

questions offlist of course about your experiences and you consider

yourself a mixed race person who has possibly suffered discrimination

or prejudice either within your own family due to that `mix' or in

the world….please send me your data and your permission to use for

research. Keep in mind that someday this may be used in a book

without naming names. Please also include what races you are a mix

of and which side of the family is identified with which race, any

info you care to share such as examples of things that have happened

to you or comments of any kind/observations. So, for example, if you

are African American and white…let me know if `mom' was the African

American and dad was the `white' or vice versa so we have something

to work with as far as research. Also include your Ascendant and

Moon placement and Midheaven so we know we got the chart correctly.

And if you can include where you live now (city, state or city,

country) for solar returns, progressions and the like…that would also

help.

If you know of any friend or relative that is online and willing to

donate info towards such a project, please let me know as well.

We'll take information from any reliable source. Also...if you can

think of any sports figure, political figure, actor, actress or any

public figure of which we have the birthdata for that is also mixed

race such as Tiger Woods, Paula Abdul....we would appreciate that too.

No offense intended if this email offends anyone. Research has to

start somewhere. I am of mixed race lineage myself as far as

Hispanic and british:o)

Anyway...any info please email me offlist if you wish or onlist if

you don't have a problem sharing info in public.

Thanks…

Renee

February 5, 2004

What is chiron ?

larazzza [firecracker (AT) maineline (DOT) net]Sent:

Thursday, February 05, 2004 5:20 AMSubject:

Need info for research/off topicHi…I'm on a group on topica called

panastroforum (AT) topica (DOT) com and we're doing a very interesting research study

(which may eventually be put in book form by the owner of that group) on those

of mixed race descent….and the Chiron/Pluto connections involved. This

will be treated anonymously and only the owner and myself will have access to

'who' is who.Keep in mind I am merely gathering data for the group there. We

are not debating the fine points of what mixed race is. We are specifically

looking for those of parents who are obviously different colors such as

black/white descent or brown/white descent. People are visually oriented for

the most part and tend to discriminate based on visual judgement calls (unless

you are intelligent and tolerant which seems to be rare in the vast majority of

people).This particular research is also linked to the first slave ship known

landing info we have in something like 1620 or so on the east coast of which we

have the chart for. The connections between the african american's of mixed

race are something we also wish to study...a person's chart and the chart of

the ship. Being part white/part black (when you know you are part white and

part black...not some possible link from one hundred years ago) also brings up

the idea of 'being a product of slavery and white slaveowners in America' and

what that looks like chartwise. If you would like to donate your

birthdata…date, time and place of birth and give us permission to look at

your chart and ask you questions offlist of course about your experiences and

you consider yourself a mixed race person who has possibly suffered

discrimination or prejudice either within your own family due to that `mix' or

in the world….please send me your data and your permission to use for

research. Keep in mind that someday this may be used in a book without naming

names. Please also include what races you are a mix of and which side of the

family is identified with which race, any info you care to share such as

examples of things that have happened to you or comments of any

kind/observations. So, for example, if you are African American and

white…let me know if `mom' was the African American and dad was the

`white' or vice versa so we have something to work with as far as research.

Also include your Ascendant and Moon placement and Midheaven so we know we got

the chart correctly. And if you can include where you live now (city, state or

city, country) for solar returns, progressions and the like…that would

also help.If you know of any friend or relative that is online and willing to

donate info towards such a project, please let me know as well. We'll take

information from any reliable source. Also...if you can think of any sports

figure, political figure, actor, actress or any public figure of which we have

the birthdata for that is also mixed race such as Tiger Woods, Paula

Abdul....we would appreciate that too.No offense intended if this email offends

anyone. Research has to start somewhere. I am of mixed race lineage myself as

far as Hispanic and british:o)Anyway...any info please email me offlist if you

wish or onlist if you don't have a problem sharing info in

public.Thanks…Renee~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

February 5, 2004

Chiron is a placement

within our solar system that is a part of the centaurs

classification of ‘bodies’.

Western astrologers are conducting this research. Western astrologers look at a multitude of

placements that vedic people do not look at.

Thanks…

Renee

Calla, Raman

[rcalla (AT) sempra (DOT) com]

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What is chiron ?

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larazzza

[firecracker (AT) maineline (DOT) net]

10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Thursday, February 05, 2004

font-family:Tahoma">5:20 AM

To:

Need info for

research/off topic

Hi…

I'm on a group on topica called

panastroforum (AT) topica (DOT) com and we're

doing a very interesting research study (which may

eventually be put

in book form by the owner of that group) on those

of mixed race

descent….and the Chiron/Pluto connections

involved. This will be

treated anonymously and only the owner and myself

will have access

to 'who' is who.

Keep in mind I am merely gathering data for the

group there. We are

not debating the fine points of what mixed race

is. We are

specifically looking for those of parents who are

obviously different

colors such as black/white descent or brown/white

descent. People

are visually oriented for the most part and tend

to discriminate

based on visual judgement calls (unless you are

intelligent and

tolerant which seems to be rare in the vast

majority of people).

This particular research is also linked to the

first slave ship known

landing info we have in something like 1620 or so

on the east coast

of which we have the chart for. The

connections between the african

american's of mixed race are something we also

wish to study...a

person's chart and the chart of the ship.

Being part white/part

black (when you know you are part white and part

black...not some

possible link from one hundred years ago) also

brings up the idea

of 'being a product of slavery and white

slaveowners in America' and

what that looks like chartwise.

If you would like to donate your

birthdata…date, time and place of

birth and give us permission to look at your chart

and ask you

questions offlist of course about your experiences

and you consider

yourself a mixed race person who has possibly

suffered discrimination

or prejudice either within your own family due to

that `mix' or in

the world….please send me your data and your

permission to use for

research. Keep in mind that someday this may be

used in a book

without naming names. Please also include what

races you are a mix

of and which side of the family is

identified with which race, any

info you care to share such as examples of things

that have happened

to you or comments of any kind/observations.

So, for example, if you

are African American and white…let me know

if `mom' was the African

American and dad was the `white' or vice versa so

we have something

to work with as far as research. Also

include your Ascendant and

Moon placement and Midheaven so we know we got the

chart correctly.

And if you can include where you live now (city,

state or city,

country) for solar returns, progressions and the

like…that would also

help.

If you know of any friend or relative that is

online and willing to

donate info towards such a project, please let me

know as well.

We'll take information from any reliable

source. Also...if you can

think of any sports figure, political figure,

actor, actress or any

public figure of which we have the birthdata for

that is also mixed

race such as Tiger Woods, Paula Abdul....we would

appreciate that too.

No offense intended if this email offends

anyone. Research has to

start somewhere. I am of mixed race lineage

myself as far as

Hispanic and british:o)

Anyway...any info please email me offlist if you

wish or onlist if

you don't have a problem sharing info in public.

Thanks…

Renee

~! LIFE

MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

~! LIFE

MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

February 5, 2004

Sorry,

I didn't mean any disrespect. It was lack of knowledge.

So I have asked this question.

RC

Renee Serrano

[firecracker (AT) maineline (DOT) net]Thursday, February 05, 2004 8:00 AMTo:

Subject: RE: Need info for research/off

topic

Chiron is a placement within our solar system that is a part of the centaurs

classification of ‘bodies’. Western astrologers are conducting

this research. Western astrologers look at a multitude of placements that

vedic people do not look at.

Thanks…

Renee

Calla, Raman [rcalla (AT) sempra (DOT) com] Sent:

Thursday, February 05, 2004 10:52 AMTo:

Subject: RE: Need info for research/off

topic

What is chiron ?

larazzza [firecracker (AT) maineline (DOT) net]Sent:

Thursday, February 05, 2004 5:20 AMSubject:

Need info for research/off topic

Hi…I'm on a group on topica called panastroforum (AT) topica (DOT) com and we're

doing a very interesting research study (which may eventually be put in book

form by the owner of that group) on those of mixed race descent….and the

Chiron/Pluto connections involved. This will be treated anonymously and only

the owner and myself will have access to 'who' is who.Keep in mind I am merely

gathering data for the group there. We are not debating the fine points of

what mixed race is. We are specifically looking for those of parents who are

obviously different colors such as black/white descent or brown/white descent.

People are visually oriented for the most part and tend to discriminate based on

visual judgement calls (unless you are intelligent and tolerant which seems to

be rare in the vast majority of people).This particular research is also linked

to the first slave ship known landing info we have in something like 1620 or so

on the east coast of which we have the chart for. The connections between the

african american's of mixed race are something we also wish to study...a

person's chart and the chart of the ship. Being part white/part black (when

you know you are part white and part black...not some possible link from one

hundred years ago) also brings up the idea of 'being a product of slavery and

white slaveowners in America' and what that looks like chartwise. If you would

like to donate your birthdata…date, time and place of birth and give us

permission to look at your chart and ask you questions offlist of course about

your experiences and you consider yourself a mixed race person who has possibly

suffered discrimination or prejudice either within your own family due to that

`mix' or in the world….please send me your data and your permission to

use for research. Keep in mind that someday this may be used in a book without

naming names. Please also include what races you are a mix of and which side

of the family is identified with which race, any info you care to share such as