Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Namaskar Sri Dharmananda ji, I am not a Pandit , nor am I Rahu vaadin, I am but a refugee hounded out by two so called Astrology discussion . May be they could not get focus of attention being shifted to some one else.They have their own agenda ,software and personality to promote. I am more of a questioner and seeker.Not being able to digest "This is it" statements. Why ? is a question I always ask. I also hate complicated reasoning. Simple thoughts and ideas solve problems faster than complicated reasoning. Rahu is the first subject I have taken up to discuss. Next one is GURU , the parasite which I want to expose and put in right place. This is because, >From Sahana Vavatu Sahanau Bhunaktu, Saha Viryam Karava vahai Tejaswinam Vadhi TAmastu Ma Vid Visad vahai...... The Vedic thought was changed to Guru Brahama Guru Vishnu Guru devo Maheshwara, Guru sakshat Param Brahma, Tasmai shri Guruve namah: A Puranic Thought. All the doing of Priests. I will be happy to be guided by Gnanis like you in my quest of questioning the establishment. Yes......You are right. I am very erratic, sometimes seemingly irretional. But churning process always has movements in both the opposite directions. Rgds HT --- cerulean122000 <cerulean122000 wrote: > Dear Rahuvadins: > > There is a way to compile this information so that > it can be > available. You just collect in a document, or > series of documents, > and file them in a folder in the 'files' section of > the group (see > left sidebar). Anyone can do this. > > Harish Punditji's theory is a work in progress, and > like Rahu > himself, is somewhat chaotic, I feel. But there > certainly could be > more attention to a clear and intelligible record of > what he has > written on the subject. > > Blessed Be > Dharmananda > > , > "sanjaytechnology" > <sanjaytechnology> wrote: > > Dear Anil: > > > > Check for RAHU articles under Harish Trivedi's > name. I wish we had > a > > way of compiling all these "hard worked" articles > on the web site. > I > > am a person who records "ground breaking" > information in my "brain" > > so that it never gets erased. I dont trust hard > copies or soft > > copies :-). > > > > Rgds. > > > > --Sanjay Aggarwal > > > > , gogatea > <gogatea@v...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sanjay, Harish > > > > > > No of times I have read Sanjay mentioning about > Harish's theory. > I > > am relatively new to site. Is there any link where > articles on his > > theory are available in comprehensive form ? > > > > > > Thanks and with regards, > > > > > > Anil > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 I have compiled the mails on HP theory in an word document. I might have missed out some of them. Regards Muruli Harish Trivedi [harishtri ] Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:20 AM Re: Re: Harish's Theory (Sri Dharmanand ji) Namaskar Sri Dharmananda ji, I am not a Pandit , nor am I Rahu vaadin, I am but a refugee hounded out by two so called Astrology discussion . May be they could not get focus of attention being shifted to some one else.They have their own agenda ,software and personality to promote. I am more of a questioner and seeker.Not being able to digest "This is it" statements. Why ? is a question I always ask. I also hate complicated reasoning. Simple thoughts and ideas solve problems faster than complicated reasoning. Rahu is the first subject I have taken up to discuss. Next one is GURU , the parasite which I want to expose and put in right place. This is because, >From Sahana Vavatu Sahanau Bhunaktu, Saha Viryam Karava vahai Tejaswinam Vadhi TAmastu Ma Vid Visad vahai...... The Vedic thought was changed to Guru Brahama Guru Vishnu Guru devo Maheshwara, Guru sakshat Param Brahma, Tasmai shri Guruve namah: A Puranic Thought. All the doing of Priests. I will be happy to be guided by Gnanis like you in my quest of questioning the establishment. Yes......You are right. I am very erratic, sometimes seemingly irretional. But churning process always has movements in both the opposite directions. Rgds HT --- cerulean122000 <cerulean122000 > wrote: > Dear Rahuvadins: > > There is a way to compile this information so that > it can be > available. You just collect in a document, or > series of documents, > and file them in a folder in the 'files' section of > the group (see > left sidebar). Anyone can do this. > > Harish Punditji's theory is a work in progress, and > like Rahu > himself, is somewhat chaotic, I feel. But there > certainly could be > more attention to a clear and intelligible record of > what he has > written on the subject. > > Blessed Be > Dharmananda > > , > "sanjaytechnology" > <sanjaytechnology> wrote: > > Dear Anil: > > > > Check for RAHU articles under Harish Trivedi's > name. I wish we had > a > > way of compiling all these "hard worked" articles > on the web site. > I > > am a person who records "ground breaking" > information in my "brain" > > so that it never gets erased. I dont trust hard > copies or soft > > copies :-). > > > > Rgds. > > > > --Sanjay Aggarwal > > > > , gogatea > <gogatea@v...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sanjay, Harish > > > > > > No of times I have read Sanjay mentioning about > Harish's theory. > I > > am relatively new to site. Is there any link where > articles on his > > theory are available in comprehensive form ? > > > > > > Thanks and with regards, > > > > > > Anil > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click./mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/C9XolB/TM ---~-> / Your Attachment: (application/msword) Tribute to Rahu.doc [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Dear Harish, My own experience with Vedas or vedic litreature is that it works on different levels .. but vedas have never dis qualified the need of a Guru ... just where there is a saying like "Uddharet atmanam atmanam ... naa atmana mavasadayet" (one has to uplift onself .. and no one else can do it for you) ... there is also reference of a need of Guru in bhagavad gita .... There is no question that this is true ... One has all the apparatus in onelself alleviate oneself ... but there is also no question to the fact that one needs guidance uptil a point to be able to uplift oneself beyond .. that's where Guru sets in ... Picture this ... if by some means you have realised the ultimate aim in life .. that of going back to the creator .. you would realise that the creator is as eager to have you back as you were to go to him in the first place ... then should you come back to show this path to others wouldnt you be a guru who is leading back to the divine source?? Both are essential : a) A qualified guru to show you the path and walk along your side to a point ... b) A disciplined student willing to uplift himself with dedication ... No wonder it is said that when the student is ready the teacher will appear !!! If we can praise Rahu to be the resplindent being and a great lover of beauty ... why cant we praise the RIGHT guru to be a representative of Brahma, Vishnu, and Maheshwara?? In Indian context the same status is given to Mother, Father and even Guest that visits our homes !!! Ultimately all that binds you have to fall off and you have to march ALONE ... Be it mother, father or guru or even brahma vishnu or maheswara ... I would like to see you expose GURU ... and would love to defend it to the best of my ability ... However please realise that I am on a quest to truth and not offend your sentiments ... You remind me of Jiddu Krishnamurthy and his philosophy ... He was a great yogi out to quell every established form of thought ... ... the only problem is that no one who followed his philosophy could ever rise to the heights that he could ... Surya Prakash. --- Harish Trivedi <harishtri wrote: > Namaskar Sri Dharmananda ji, > > I am not a Pandit , nor am I Rahu vaadin, > I am but a refugee hounded out by two so called > Astrology discussion . > May be they could not get focus of attention being > shifted to some one else.They have their own agenda > ,software and personality to promote. > > I am more of a questioner and seeker.Not being able > to > digest "This is it" statements. > Why ? is a question I always ask. > I also hate complicated reasoning. > Simple thoughts and ideas solve problems faster than > complicated reasoning. > Rahu is the first subject I have taken up to > discuss. > Next one is GURU , the parasite which I want to > expose > and put in right place. > This is because, > > From Sahana Vavatu > Sahanau Bhunaktu, > Saha Viryam Karava vahai > Tejaswinam Vadhi TAmastu > Ma Vid Visad vahai...... > > The Vedic thought was changed to > > Guru Brahama Guru Vishnu > Guru devo Maheshwara, > Guru sakshat Param Brahma, > Tasmai shri Guruve namah: > > A Puranic Thought. > All the doing of Priests. > > I will be happy to be guided by Gnanis like you in > my > quest of questioning the establishment. > > Yes......You are right. > I am very erratic, sometimes seemingly irretional. > But churning process always has movements in both > the > opposite directions. > Rgds > HT > > > --- cerulean122000 <cerulean122000 wrote: > > Dear Rahuvadins: > > > > There is a way to compile this information so that > > it can be > > available. You just collect in a document, or > > series of documents, > > and file them in a folder in the 'files' section > of > > the group (see > > left sidebar). Anyone can do this. > > > > Harish Punditji's theory is a work in progress, > and > > like Rahu > > himself, is somewhat chaotic, I feel. But there > > certainly could be > > more attention to a clear and intelligible record > of > > what he has > > written on the subject. > > > > Blessed Be > > Dharmananda > > > > , > > "sanjaytechnology" > > <sanjaytechnology> wrote: > > > Dear Anil: > > > > > > Check for RAHU articles under Harish Trivedi's > > name. I wish we had > > a > > > way of compiling all these "hard worked" > articles > > on the web site. > > I > > > am a person who records "ground breaking" > > information in my "brain" > > > so that it never gets erased. I dont trust hard > > copies or soft > > > copies :-). > > > > > > Rgds. > > > > > > --Sanjay Aggarwal > > > > > > , gogatea > > <gogatea@v...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay, Harish > > > > > > > > No of times I have read Sanjay mentioning > about > > Harish's theory. > > I > > > am relatively new to site. Is there any link > where > > articles on his > > > theory are available in comprehensive form ? > > > > > > > > Thanks and with regards, > > > > > > > > Anil > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. > Try it! > http://webhosting./ps/sb/ > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Hello Sury Vishnu ji, You have rightly remarked as under which I quote, QUOTE, "A qualified guru to show you the path and walk along your side to a point ... b) A disciplined student willing to uplift himself with dedication ..." UNQUOTE. I have , previously answered this Guru concept to someone last week or so. I am reiterating that, A real Guru is one who shows you the right path.Makes you capable enough to walk ahead. A REAL GURU IS A MILE STONE, AND NOT THE DESTINATION. He, as you said, walks along with you. He should not stop and make others (Seekers ) to come to him to seek answers to everything , making himself God . None of the Great Rishis , sages, and teachers like Vashistha, Dronacharya, or such other great Upanishad creators ever tied down shishyas like Arjun, Asthavakra or such to themselves. When the time came, they were sent away. My anger lies towards FLY BY NIGHT long haired, sweet tounged ever smiling swamijis (Sic)who call themselves from Bhagwan, to Avataras, to multiple Sri..s, multiple 108.,s and collect hoards of rich and stupid imbeciles as shishyas . Just as Rahu is Much maligned , Guru is much praised. But these are the negetive Gurus. A guru need not be defended. Truth does not need to be saved because it is Sahwata. I would love to interact with you to sharpen my quest. Rgds HT --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > Dear Harish, > > My own experience with Vedas or vedic litreature is > that it works on different levels .. but vedas have > never dis qualified the need of a Guru ... > > just where there is a saying like "Uddharet atmanam > atmanam ... naa atmana mavasadayet" (one has to > uplift > onself .. and no one else can do it for you) ... > there > is also reference of a need of Guru in bhagavad gita > ... > > There is no question that this is true ... One has > all > the apparatus in onelself alleviate oneself ... but > there is also no question to the fact that one needs > guidance uptil a point to be able to uplift oneself > beyond .. that's where Guru sets in ... > > Picture this ... if by some means you have realised > the ultimate aim in life .. that of going back to > the > creator .. you would realise that the creator is as > eager to have you back as you were to go to him in > the > first place ... then should you come back to show > this > path to others wouldnt you be a guru who is leading > back to the divine source?? > > Both are essential : > a) A qualified guru to show you the path and walk > along your side to a point ... > b) A disciplined student willing to uplift himself > with dedication ... > > No wonder it is said that when the student is ready > the teacher will appear !!! > > If we can praise Rahu to be the resplindent being > and > a great lover of beauty ... why cant we praise the > RIGHT guru to be a representative of Brahma, Vishnu, > and Maheshwara?? In Indian context the same status > is > given to Mother, Father and even Guest that visits > our > homes !!! > > Ultimately all that binds you have to fall off and > you > have to march ALONE ... Be it mother, father or guru > or even brahma vishnu or maheswara ... > > I would like to see you expose GURU ... and would > love > to defend it to the best of my ability ... However > please realise that I am on a quest to truth and not > offend your sentiments ... > > You remind me of Jiddu Krishnamurthy and his > philosophy ... He was a great yogi out to quell > every > established form of thought ... ... the only > problem is that no one who followed his philosophy > could ever rise to the heights that he could ... > > Surya Prakash. > > --- Harish Trivedi <harishtri wrote: > > Namaskar Sri Dharmananda ji, > > > > I am not a Pandit , nor am I Rahu vaadin, > > I am but a refugee hounded out by two so called > > Astrology discussion . > > May be they could not get focus of attention being > > shifted to some one else.They have their own > agenda > > ,software and personality to promote. > > > > I am more of a questioner and seeker.Not being > able > > to > > digest "This is it" statements. > > Why ? is a question I always ask. > > I also hate complicated reasoning. > > Simple thoughts and ideas solve problems faster > than > > complicated reasoning. > > Rahu is the first subject I have taken up to > > discuss. > > Next one is GURU , the parasite which I want to > > expose > > and put in right place. > > This is because, > > > > From Sahana Vavatu > > Sahanau Bhunaktu, > > Saha Viryam Karava vahai > > Tejaswinam Vadhi TAmastu > > Ma Vid Visad vahai...... > > > > The Vedic thought was changed to > > > > Guru Brahama Guru Vishnu > > Guru devo Maheshwara, > > Guru sakshat Param Brahma, > > Tasmai shri Guruve namah: > > > > A Puranic Thought. > > All the doing of Priests. > > > > I will be happy to be guided by Gnanis like you in > > my > > quest of questioning the establishment. > > > > Yes......You are right. > > I am very erratic, sometimes seemingly irretional. > > But churning process always has movements in both > > the > > opposite directions. > > Rgds > > HT > > > > > > --- cerulean122000 <cerulean122000 > wrote: > > > Dear Rahuvadins: > > > > > > There is a way to compile this information so > that > > > it can be > > > available. You just collect in a document, or > > > series of documents, > > > and file them in a folder in the 'files' section > > of > > > the group (see > > > left sidebar). Anyone can do this. > > > > > > Harish Punditji's theory is a work in progress, > > and > > > like Rahu > > > himself, is somewhat chaotic, I feel. But there > > > certainly could be > > > more attention to a clear and intelligible > record > > of > > > what he has > > > written on the subject. > > > > > > Blessed Be > > > Dharmananda > > > > > > , > > > "sanjaytechnology" > > > <sanjaytechnology> wrote: > > > > Dear Anil: > > > > > > > > Check for RAHU articles under Harish Trivedi's > > > name. I wish we had > > > a > > > > way of compiling all these "hard worked" > > articles > > > on the web site. > > > I > > > > am a person who records "ground breaking" > > > information in my "brain" > > > > so that it never gets erased. I dont trust > hard > > > copies or soft > > > > copies :-). > > > > > > > > Rgds. > > > > > > > > --Sanjay Aggarwal > > > > > > > > , > gogatea > > > <gogatea@v...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay, Harish > > > > > > > > > > No of times I have read Sanjay mentioning > > about > > > Harish's theory. > > > I > > > > am relatively new to site. Is there any link > > where > > > articles on his > > > > theory are available in comprehensive form ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and with regards, > > > > > > > > > > Anil > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Dear Harish, Pardon me .. then I have no complains ... I am with you against all the self proclaimed Gurus ... To me, guru is a means to ends and not ends itself .. However I do believe in total surrender and devotion when we finally find the right guru ... Looking forward to some interesting conversations ! By the way ... I have collected the birth and other information of a great saint .. would anyone want to look thru it and discuss it? Surya. --- Harish Trivedi <harishtri wrote: > Hello Sury Vishnu ji, > You have rightly remarked as under which I quote, > > QUOTE, > > "A qualified guru to show you the path and walk > along your side to a point ... > b) A disciplined student willing to uplift himself > with dedication ..." > > UNQUOTE. > I have , previously answered this Guru concept to > someone last week or so. > I am reiterating that, > A real Guru is one who shows you the right > path.Makes > you capable enough to walk ahead. > A REAL GURU IS A MILE STONE, AND NOT THE > DESTINATION. > He, as you said, walks along with you. > He should not stop and make others (Seekers ) to > come > to him to seek answers to everything , making > himself > God . > None of the Great Rishis , sages, and teachers like > Vashistha, Dronacharya, or such other great > Upanishad > creators ever tied down shishyas like Arjun, > Asthavakra or such to themselves. > When the time came, they were sent away. > My anger lies towards FLY BY NIGHT long haired, > sweet > tounged ever smiling swamijis (Sic)who call > themselves > from Bhagwan, to Avataras, to multiple Sri..s, > multiple 108.,s and collect hoards of rich and > stupid > imbeciles as shishyas . > Just as Rahu is Much maligned , Guru is much > praised. > But these are the negetive Gurus. > > A guru need not be defended. Truth does not need to > be > saved because it is Sahwata. > I would love to interact with you to sharpen my > quest. > Rgds > HT > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote: > > Dear Harish, > > > > My own experience with Vedas or vedic litreature > is > > that it works on different levels .. but vedas > have > > never dis qualified the need of a Guru ... > > > > just where there is a saying like "Uddharet > atmanam > > atmanam ... naa atmana mavasadayet" (one has to > > uplift > > onself .. and no one else can do it for you) ... > > there > > is also reference of a need of Guru in bhagavad > gita > > ... > > > > There is no question that this is true ... One has > > all > > the apparatus in onelself alleviate oneself ... > but > > there is also no question to the fact that one > needs > > guidance uptil a point to be able to uplift > oneself > > beyond .. that's where Guru sets in ... > > > > Picture this ... if by some means you have > realised > > the ultimate aim in life .. that of going back to > > the > > creator .. you would realise that the creator is > as > > eager to have you back as you were to go to him in > > the > > first place ... then should you come back to show > > this > > path to others wouldnt you be a guru who is > leading > > back to the divine source?? > > > > Both are essential : > > a) A qualified guru to show you the path and walk > > along your side to a point ... > > b) A disciplined student willing to uplift himself > > with dedication ... > > > > No wonder it is said that when the student is > ready > > the teacher will appear !!! > > > > If we can praise Rahu to be the resplindent being > > and > > a great lover of beauty ... why cant we praise the > > RIGHT guru to be a representative of Brahma, > Vishnu, > > and Maheshwara?? In Indian context the same status > > is > > given to Mother, Father and even Guest that visits > > our > > homes !!! > > > > Ultimately all that binds you have to fall off and > > you > > have to march ALONE ... Be it mother, father or > guru > > or even brahma vishnu or maheswara ... > > > > I would like to see you expose GURU ... and would > > love > > to defend it to the best of my ability ... However > > please realise that I am on a quest to truth and > not > > offend your sentiments ... > > > > You remind me of Jiddu Krishnamurthy and his > > philosophy ... He was a great yogi out to quell > > every > > established form of thought ... ... the only > > problem is that no one who followed his philosophy > > could ever rise to the heights that he could ... > > > > Surya Prakash. > > > > --- Harish Trivedi <harishtri wrote: > > > Namaskar Sri Dharmananda ji, > > > > > > I am not a Pandit , nor am I Rahu vaadin, > > > I am but a refugee hounded out by two so called > > > Astrology discussion . > > > May be they could not get focus of attention > being > > > shifted to some one else.They have their own > > agenda > > > ,software and personality to promote. > > > > > > I am more of a questioner and seeker.Not being > > able > > > to > > > digest "This is it" statements. > > > Why ? is a question I always ask. > > > I also hate complicated reasoning. > > > Simple thoughts and ideas solve problems faster > > than > > > complicated reasoning. > > > Rahu is the first subject I have taken up to > > > discuss. > > > Next one is GURU , the parasite which I want to > > > expose > > > and put in right place. > > > This is because, > > > > > > From Sahana Vavatu > > > Sahanau Bhunaktu, > > > Saha Viryam Karava vahai > > > Tejaswinam Vadhi TAmastu > > > Ma Vid Visad vahai...... > > > > > > The Vedic thought was changed to > > > > > > Guru Brahama Guru Vishnu > > > Guru devo Maheshwara, > > > Guru sakshat Param Brahma, > > > Tasmai shri Guruve namah: > > > > > > A Puranic Thought. > > > All the doing of Priests. > > > > > > I will be happy to be guided by Gnanis like you > in > > > my > > > quest of questioning the establishment. > > > > > > Yes......You are right. > > > I am very erratic, sometimes seemingly > irretional. > > > But churning process always has movements in > both > > > the > > > opposite directions. > > > Rgds > > > HT > > > > > > > > > --- cerulean122000 <cerulean122000 > > wrote: > > > > Dear Rahuvadins: > === message truncated === SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. 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