Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 There is a new group, Vedic Astrology Case Studies, avalable at these addresses: Post message: Vedic Astrologycases Subscribe: Vedic Astrologycases- URL: Vedic Astrologycases/ >From now on, I will cross-post my posts here to that group. That means posting to both groups at the same time. This is easy to do by email; you simply put the addresses of both groups on the to-line. My intention is to gradually switch my attention over to that group, being careful to leave a trail behind. This other group is new and small, and I don't moderate it. But it seems to be closer in intention to my natural focus in Jyotish: a sharper focus on fewer cases, and more attention given to understanding. I have been careful, in posting this, to choose an auspicious time: Exalted Chandra rising in Krittika, Yoga karaka in 2nd, chart ruler in 10th, 4th ruler in 9th, Mars-12th ruler with Rahu in 12th. This Jyotish Remedies group is great, and we should all thank Tanvir for having it. It is, in itself, a upaye, a method by which people can be helped and jyotisha can have an excellerated learning experience. I am not going to be gone from it completely, and will certainly cross-post difficult cases back to it in any event. Particularly useful is the collection of Jyotish scriptures in the files section, which is how I came here in the first place. Blessed Be Dharmananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Dear Friends ... dear Dharmananda I have been spending times on learing astrology .. however there is one question that is confounding me as I try to understand the western and eastern methods of casting and predicting horoscopes ... that is ... my ascendant as per vedic horoscope is scorpio .. while the western system says it's saggitarius ... similarly the moon and the sun signs are also different ... I understand this is because of the difference in ayanamsa and the starting point of reference that is used in either methodologies .. what I dont understand is how can I be both Taurus and Gemini in the same breath?? does this mean that the characters attributed to taurus is similar to those attributed to gemini in these two systems?? Any discussion and insight into this will be appreciated !! Surya Prakash. --- cerulean122000 <cerulean122000 wrote: > > There is a new group, Vedic Astrology Case Studies, > avalable at these > addresses: > > Post message: Vedic Astrologycases > Subscribe: > Vedic Astrologycases- > URL: > Vedic Astrologycases/ > > From now on, I will cross-post my posts here to that > group. That > means posting to both groups at the same time. This > is easy to do by > email; you simply put the addresses of both groups > on the to-line. > > My intention is to gradually switch my attention > over to that group, > being careful to leave a trail behind. This other > group is new and > small, and I don't moderate it. But it seems to be > closer in > intention to my natural focus in Jyotish: a sharper > focus on fewer > cases, and more attention given to understanding. I > have been > careful, in posting this, to choose an auspicious > time: Exalted > Chandra rising in Krittika, Yoga karaka in 2nd, > chart ruler in 10th, > 4th ruler in 9th, Mars-12th ruler with Rahu in 12th. > > This Jyotish Remedies group is great, and we should > all thank Tanvir > for having it. It is, in itself, a upaye, a method > by which people > can be helped and jyotisha can have an excellerated > learning > experience. I am not going to be gone from it > completely, and will > certainly cross-post difficult cases back to it in > any event. > Particularly useful is the collection of Jyotish > scriptures in the > files section, which is how I came here in the first > place. > > Blessed Be > Dharmananda > > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 There is the difference of the ayanamsha, and there is the difference in the western method of computing houses. Usually the houses are computed from the rising degree, and usually most of the houses have parts of two signs in them in a western chart. It gets way more complicated than that, with different geometries, in which some houses can have a whole sign and scraps of the two adjoining signs in it. All of this complication actually works, but it doesn't work better than the whole sign-house system which is used in Jyotish. Traditionally, the same system was used in the west, and some western astologers are going back to it. The western chart, which is sun-based, is about how the native views himself, and what you read from it is the dynamics of his personal (subjective) life. The Vedic chart is how God views the native, and what you read from it is the karmic obstructions between the native and God. Good Vedic readings always converge in meaning with good tropical readings, but the western (tropical) chart is simply more subjective. There are some western Jyotisha, such as James T. Braha, who believe that the best reading comes out of combining the systems. I sometimes consult with tropical astrologers, but if their views differ from Vedic, and particularly when the lethal triple indication is there in Vedic, I find it best to ignore them. Blessed Be Dharmananda surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote: Dear Friends ... dear DharmanandaI have been spending times on learing astrology ...however there is one question that is confounding meas I try to understand the western and eastern methodsof casting and predicting horoscopes ...that is ... my ascendant as per vedic horoscope isscorpio .. while the western system says it'ssaggitarius ... similarly the moon and the sun signsare also different ...I understand this is because of the difference inayanamsa and the starting point of reference that isused in either methodologies .. what I dont understand is how can I be both Taurus andGemini in the same breath?? does this mean that thecharacters attributed to taurus is similar to thoseattributed to gemini in these two systems??Any discussion and insight into this will beappreciated !!Surya Prakash. --- cerulean122000 wrote:> > There is a new group, Vedic Astrology Case Studies,> avalable at these > addresses:> > Post message: Vedic Astrologycases > Subscribe: > Vedic Astrologycases- > URL: > Vedic Astrologycases/> > From now on, I will cross-post my posts here to that> group. That > means posting to both groups at the same time. This> is easy to do by > email; you simply put the addresses of both groups> on the to-line.> > My intention is to gradually switch my attention> over to that group, > being careful to leave a trail behind. This other> group is new and > small, and I don't moderate it. But it seems to be> closer in > intention to my natural focus in Jyotish: a sharper> focus on fewer > cases, and more attention given to understanding. I> have been > careful, in posting this, to choose an auspicious> time: Exalted > Chandra rising in Krittika, Yoga karaka in 2nd,> chart ruler in 10th, > 4th ruler in 9th, Mars-12th ruler with Rahu in 12th.> > This Jyotish Remedies group is great, and we should> all thank Tanvir > for having it. It is, in itself, a upaye, a method> by which people > can be helped and jyotisha can have an excellerated> learning > experience. I am not going to be gone from it> completely, and will > certainly cross-post difficult cases back to it in> any event. > Particularly useful is the collection of Jyotish> scriptures in the > files section, which is how I came here in the first> place.> > Blessed Be> Dharmananda> > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!http://webhosting./ps/sb/~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ LinksTo visit your group on the web, go to:/To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to: SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 Hello, I presume you are referring to the first degree of Aries when you say that there is a difference in method of computing houses?? How can you combine both the systems?? do u mean to suggest that we use the western method to understand the psychology and the vedic system to predict situations surrounding the circumstances?? thank you Surya --- Dharmananda <cerulean122000 wrote: > Friend, > > There is the difference of the ayanamsha, and there > is the difference in the western method of computing > houses. Usually the houses are computed from the > rising degree, and usually most of the houses have > parts of two signs in them in a western chart. It > gets way more complicated than that, with different > geometries, in which some houses can have a whole > sign and scraps of the two adjoining signs in it. > > All of this complication actually works, but it > doesn't work better than the whole sign-house system > which is used in Jyotish. Traditionally, the same > system was used in the west, and some western > astologers are going back to it. > > The western chart, which is sun-based, is about how > the native views himself, and what you read from it > is the dynamics of his personal (subjective) life. > The Vedic chart is how God views the native, and > what you read from it is the karmic obstructions > between the native and God. Good Vedic readings > always converge in meaning with good tropical > readings, but the western (tropical) chart is simply > more subjective. > > There are some western Jyotisha, such as James T. > Braha, who believe that the best reading comes out > of combining the systems. I sometimes consult with > tropical astrologers, but if their views differ from > Vedic, and particularly when the lethal triple > indication is there in Vedic, I find it best to > ignore them. > > Blessed Be > Dharmananda > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > Dear Friends ... dear Dharmananda > > I have been spending times on learing astrology .. > however there is one question that is confounding me > as I try to understand the western and eastern > methods > of casting and predicting horoscopes ... > > that is ... my ascendant as per vedic horoscope is > scorpio .. while the western system says it's > saggitarius ... similarly the moon and the sun signs > are also different ... > > I understand this is because of the difference in > ayanamsa and the starting point of reference that is > used in either methodologies .. > > what I dont understand is how can I be both Taurus > and > Gemini in the same breath?? does this mean that the > characters attributed to taurus is similar to those > attributed to gemini in these two systems?? > > Any discussion and insight into this will be > appreciated !! > > Surya Prakash. > > --- cerulean122000 wrote: > > > > There is a new group, Vedic Astrology Case > Studies, > > avalable at these > > addresses: > > > > Post message: Vedic Astrologycases > > Subscribe: > > Vedic Astrologycases- > > URL: > > Vedic Astrologycases/ > > > > From now on, I will cross-post my posts here to > that > > group. That > > means posting to both groups at the same time. > This > > is easy to do by > > email; you simply put the addresses of both groups > > on the to-line. > > > > My intention is to gradually switch my attention > > over to that group, > > being careful to leave a trail behind. This other > > group is new and > > small, and I don't moderate it. But it seems to be > > closer in > > intention to my natural focus in Jyotish: a > sharper > > focus on fewer > > cases, and more attention given to understanding. > I > > have been > > careful, in posting this, to choose an auspicious > > time: Exalted > > Chandra rising in Krittika, Yoga karaka in 2nd, > > chart ruler in 10th, > > 4th ruler in 9th, Mars-12th ruler with Rahu in > 12th. > > > > This Jyotish Remedies group is great, and we > should > > all thank Tanvir > > for having it. It is, in itself, a upaye, a method > > by which people > > can be helped and jyotisha can have an > excellerated > > learning > > experience. I am not going to be gone from it > > completely, and will > > certainly cross-post difficult cases back to it in > > any event. > > Particularly useful is the collection of Jyotish > > scriptures in the > > files section, which is how I came here in the > first > > place. > > > > Blessed Be > > Dharmananda > > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. > Try it! > http://webhosting./ps/sb/ > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Your > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. > Try it! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 When the ascendant is anywhere in a house in Vedic, that whole sign becomes the first house. But in tropical, the actual degree of the ascendant is the first degree of the first house, and then each house nas 30 degrees computed from that. But there are also skewed systems where the number of degrees in the houses vary from house to house. Tropicals are really into geometry, and they like to play around with numbers. I'm not a big proponent of combining systems. Vedic works better for me, and that's what I use. When a good tropical astrologer analyzes the same chart, I find that the readings converge; i.e., they support each other. But tropical is simply more subjective and psychological. It's like reading Surya Lagna in Vedic. Blessed Be Dharmanandasurya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote: Hello,I presume you are referring to the first degree ofAries when you say that there is a difference inmethod of computing houses??How can you combine both the systems?? do u mean tosuggest that we use the western method to understandthe psychology and the vedic system to predictsituations surrounding the circumstances?? thank youSurya--- Dharmananda wrote:> Friend,> > There is the difference of the ayanamsha, and there> is the difference in the western method of computing> houses. Usually the houses are computed from the> rising degree, and usually most of the houses have> parts of two signs in them in a western chart. It> gets way more complicated than that, with different> geometries, in which some houses can have a whole> sign and scraps of the two adjoining signs in it. > > All of this complication actually works, but it> doesn't work better than the whole sign-house system> which is used in Jyotish. Traditionally, the same> system was used in the west, and some western> astologers are going back to it.> > The western chart, which is sun-based, is about how> the native views himself, and what you read from it> is the dynamics of his personal (subjective) life. > The Vedic chart is how God views the native, and> what you read from it is the karmic obstructions> between the native and God. Good Vedic readings> always converge in meaning with good tropical> readings, but the western (tropical) chart is simply> more subjective. > > There are some western Jyotisha, such as James T.> Braha, who believe that the best reading comes out> of combining the systems. I sometimes consult with> tropical astrologers, but if their views differ from> Vedic, and particularly when the lethal triple> indication is there in Vedic, I find it best to> ignore them.> > Blessed Be> Dharmananda> > > > surya vishnubhotla wrote:> Dear Friends ... dear Dharmananda> > I have been spending times on learing astrology ..> however there is one question that is confounding me> as I try to understand the western and eastern> methods> of casting and predicting horoscopes ...> > that is ... my ascendant as per vedic horoscope is> scorpio .. while the western system says it's> saggitarius ... similarly the moon and the sun signs> are also different ...> > I understand this is because of the difference in> ayanamsa and the starting point of reference that is> used in either methodologies .. > > what I dont understand is how can I be both Taurus> and> Gemini in the same breath?? does this mean that the> characters attributed to taurus is similar to those> attributed to gemini in these two systems??> > Any discussion and insight into this will be> appreciated !!> > Surya Prakash. > > --- cerulean122000 wrote:> > > > There is a new group, Vedic Astrology Case> Studies,> > avalable at these > > addresses:> > > > Post message: Vedic Astrologycases > > Subscribe: > > Vedic Astrologycases- > > URL: > > Vedic Astrologycases/> > > > From now on, I will cross-post my posts here to> that> > group. That > > means posting to both groups at the same time.> This> > is easy to do by > > email; you simply put the addresses of both groups> > on the to-line.> > > > My intention is to gradually switch my attention> > over to that group, > > being careful to leave a trail behind. This other> > group is new and > > small, and I don't moderate it. But it seems to be> > closer in > > intention to my natural focus in Jyotish: a> sharper> > focus on fewer > > cases, and more attention given to understanding.> I> > have been > > careful, in posting this, to choose an auspicious> > time: Exalted > > Chandra rising in Krittika, Yoga karaka in 2nd,> > chart ruler in 10th, > > 4th ruler in 9th, Mars-12th ruler with Rahu in> 12th.> > > > This Jyotish Remedies group is great, and we> should> > all thank Tanvir > > for having it. It is, in itself, a upaye, a method> > by which people > > can be helped and jyotisha can have an> excellerated> > learning > > experience. I am not going to be gone from it> > completely, and will > > certainly cross-post difficult cases back to it in> > any event. > > Particularly useful is the collection of Jyotish> > scriptures in the > > files section, which is how I came here in the> first> > place.> > > > Blessed Be> > Dharmananda> > > > > > > > > > Do you ?> SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool.> Try it!> http://webhosting./ps/sb/> > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~> > > Links> > > /> > To from this group, send an email to:> > > Your > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool.> Try it!Do you ? SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!http://webhosting./ps/sb/~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ LinksTo visit your group on the web, go to:/To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to: SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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