Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 This is a reply to Dharmananda who signs of with a "blessed be " and then demands attention on so -called perceived social hierarchy. You epitomize hypocracy and arrogance. Nobody owes u anything..get that in ur thick head. K. Ajith _ This report is solely for information and general circulation only and may not be published, circulated, reproduced or distributed in whole or in part to any other person without our written consent. This report should not be construed as an offer or solicitation for the subscription, purchase or sale of the securities mentioned herein. Whilst we have taken all reasonable care to ensure that the information contained in this publication is not untrue or misleading at the time of publication, we cannot guarantee its accuracy or completeness, and you should not act on it without first independently verifying its contents. 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Blessed Be Dharmananda ____________ "John Aldrich" <johnaldrichinc Respected Shri Dharmanandaji, I have been reading your answers and contributions and am amazed by the knowledge base that you have in astrology. I have posted quite a few times requesting for an answer for a couple of my queries in the . But unfortunately no body has been able to give me an answer. Maybe they are tied up with their priorities. I am writing to you with the hope that you maybe able to help. My details are as follows: Date of Birth 31st march 1961 Place of Birth : Yadgir, karnataka Lat & Long : 77.08 and 16.46 Time of Birth : 9 10 am Current Dasa Bhukthi Jupiter - Mercury - Venus since December 16th 2003 I have attached my Horoscope for your kind perusal. I have had a very harrowing time in India since August 2000 and was sacked from my job on May 30th 2001. I literally became bankrupt and since then have not been able to pay my loans With great difficulty I found a job on which I started to work in November 12th 2001 but was again sacked on February 8th 2002. All this while I had to underground and stay with caution, out of bounds from my creditors. I found a very good job in Indonesia on 30th May 2002. I came here on July 5th 2002. After coming here I realised that this company is heading towards bankruptcy, because the Government is against them. Our salaries are getting delayed and because of which my interest rates on my loans are going up and am unable to honour commitments. Meanwhile I applied for immigration to the UK and I got it on September 9th 2003 and the letter reached me on September 17th 2003. I applied for Visa stamping on October 16th, 2003. On account of reasons best known, the Visa officer was delaying the stamping and finally I managed to contact the Home Ministry in UK and upon their instructions I got the Visa stamped on December 8th 2003 as a Highly Skilled Migrant. I am currently applying for jobs in UK. I will not be able to survive there for more than one or 2 nonths without a job in case I resign here. I met an Indonesian Fortune teller and she told me that I will get 3 offers in March from UK and I will do very well there.But she was not able to elaborate beyond her instincts in a scientific manner as is done in vedic astrology. I would be grateful if you go through my Horoscope and let me know as to by when you think I will move to UK. And by when will I get a job there. Will I get a job and then move or will I go there and find a job. By when will I be able to be in a position to start repaying my debts. I will be ever grateful if you could kindly let me know these so that I can overcome my anxiety. Regards, John , srik rami <srikrami> wrote: > Hey Dharmananda, > > I think, if you are referring to brahmins,,, I don't think they are ignoring anyone or anybody. These kind of remarks are not good in a discussion group. Hope this will go to Tanvir's attention. > Ram > > cerulean122000 <cerulean122000> wrote: > Do not ignore your own people anymore. > > In the future, you will certainly take birth among the classes that > you ignore in the present. > > There is no mantra, no devata, no austerity, and no Guru that can > save you from this fate, if you continue in your self-absorbed social > irresponsibility. > > Blessed Be > Dharmananda > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 Dear friend, This is a reply to Dharmananda who signs of with a "blessed be " and then demands attention on so -called perceived social hierarchy. You epitomize hypocracy and arrogance. Nobody owes u anything..get that in ur thick head. I thought that Jyotish, amongst other fields of Vedic Knowledge, was based essentially on the principle of the act of giving. If we are a small pound we will give only ripples. We are only able to give what we are... if you find that the world is not perfect then aspire to make yourself perfect... "Beauty dwells in the eye of the beholder" How can we read a jyotish chart properly if we carry a so poor judgment on the concerned person. A simple and natural love toward your fellow friends allow you to uncover greater depth of knowledge and only then the most precious, efficient and fullfilling solutions will arise to make the person grow in happiness and in Bliss toward a higher state of Consciousness. As a Jyotishi, just by reading the jyotish chart, just by putting your simple and peaceful attention on the chart, the person should feel uplifted, elated and should experience the refreshing and infinite tenderness of Mother upon his being; the play of Parashakti, the dynamic field of all possibilites flowing in waves for hopes of greater achievements. This is a great blessing for the one who is seeking help... and even much greater blessing for the Jyotishi... ) Harmony, peace and equanimity are the first qualities of a Jyotishi. The mind of a perfect Jyotishi is grounded in the field of Atma. Why should we feel affected by the problems, we are only concerned with the solutions ) Amicalement Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 This is a reply to Dharmananda who signs of with a "blessed be " and thendemands attention on so -called perceived social hierarchy. You epitomizehypocracy and arrogance.Nobody owes u anything..get that in ur thick head.I thought that Jyotish, amongst other fields of Vedic Knowledge, was based essentially on the principle of the act of giving. If we are a small pound we will give only ripples. We are only able to give what we are... if you find that the world is not perfect then aspire to make yourself perfect... "Beauty dwells in the eye of the beholder"How can we read a jyotish chart properly if we carry a so poor judgment on the concerned person. A simple and natural love toward your fellow friends allow you to uncover greater depth of knowledge and only then the most precious, efficient and fullfilling solutions will arise to make the person grow in happiness and in Bliss toward a higher state of Consciousness.As a Jyotishi, just by reading the jyotish chart, just by putting your simple and peaceful attention on the chart, the person should feel uplifted, elated and should experience the refreshing and infinite tenderness of Mother upon his being; the play of Parashakti, the dynamic field of all possibilites flowing in waves for hopes of greater achievements. This is a great blessing for the one who is seeking help... and even much greater blessing for the Jyotishi... )Harmony, peace and equanimity are the first qualities of a Jyotishi. The mind of a perfect Jyotishi is grounded in the field of Atma. Why should we feel affected by the problems, we are only concerned with the solutions )AmicalementJean That's beautiful and true, Jean, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the Jataka can percieve it. It depends on the person's karma. There's also a balance to be maintained. If I get called 'ji' and even 'prabu' a lot, which has happened, there are necessarily going to be people who point out my shortcomings as well. It really gets ridiculous when there's a person like Chandra-bhai, who is currently freezing his Hindu buns off in Dresden Germany, who says that he wants to come serve me. That is absolute nonsense. It has nothing to do with anything that either of us wants or intends to do, or needs. But it still necessarily sets off this kind of reaction, and I can't even disagree with this person's criticism. Blessed Be Dharmananda SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ Dear List Members, It is requested that we all should respect each other. This is a discussion forum, and one's knowledge will vary from others. Don't take remarks as personal and be good with your words. We all should agree that there are certain things on which we disagree, as every one has different perception, preferences and tastes. A healthy discussion is always good and add to our knowledge. Warm Regards, Neeraj Gupta (Moderator - JR List) --- Dharmananda <cerulean122000 wrote: > > > Jean CLEMENT <tashrif wrote: Dear > friend, > > This is a reply to Dharmananda who signs of with a > "blessed be " and then > demands attention on so -called perceived social > hierarchy. You epitomize > hypocracy and arrogance. > > Nobody owes u anything..get that in ur thick head. > > > I thought that Jyotish, amongst other fields of > Vedic Knowledge, was based essentially on the > principle of the act of giving. If we are a small > pound we will give only ripples. We are only able to > give what we are... if you find that the world is > not perfect then aspire to make yourself perfect... > "Beauty dwells in the eye of the beholder" > > How can we read a jyotish chart properly if we carry > a so poor judgment on the concerned person. A simple > and natural love toward your fellow friends allow > you to uncover greater depth of knowledge and only > then the most precious, efficient and fullfilling > solutions will arise to make the person grow in > happiness and in Bliss toward a higher state of > Consciousness. > > As a Jyotishi, just by reading the jyotish chart, > just by putting your simple and peaceful attention > on the chart, the person should feel uplifted, > elated and should experience the refreshing and > infinite tenderness of Mother upon his being; the > play of Parashakti, the dynamic field of all > possibilites flowing in waves for hopes of greater > achievements. This is a great blessing for the one > who is seeking help... and even much greater > blessing for the Jyotishi... ) > > Harmony, peace and equanimity are the first > qualities of a Jyotishi. The mind of a perfect > Jyotishi is grounded in the field of Atma. Why > should we feel affected by the problems, we are only > concerned with the solutions ) > > Amicalement > > Jean That's beautiful and true, Jean, but it doesn't > necessarily mean that the Jataka can percieve it. > It depends on the person's karma. > > There's also a balance to be maintained. If I get > called 'ji' and even 'prabu' a lot, which has > happened, there are necessarily going to be people > who point out my shortcomings as well. > > It really gets ridiculous when there's a person like > Chandra-bhai, who is currently freezing his Hindu > buns off in Dresden Germany, who says that he wants > to come serve me. That is absolute nonsense. It > has nothing to do with anything that either of us > wants or intends to do, or needs. But it still > necessarily sets off this kind of reaction, and I > can't even disagree with this person's criticism. > > Blessed Be > > Dharmananda > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. > Try it! ===== http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Dear Jean Clement, Quite philosophical musings and I agree with the content but i fail to see how that repudiates my point.. I claimed that the author was arrogant and a hypocrite based on my observations of what he said in particular his comments that " no devata or mantra or guru, can save a man who ignores people from his own caste" and then signs of with blessed be. To me that is not the kind of comment or thought that an jyotish aspirant should have. Class and race and religious distinctions are the root of the world's troubles today. And if i had spoken out against hypocrisy, then i would not be the first and would be even in esteemed company. See my comments below. Reg Ajith Jean CLEMENT <tashrif@wanad <> oo.fr> cc: Re: O Brahmins!-what arrogance 30/01/04 11:28 Please respond to jyotish_remedi es Dear friend, This is a reply to Dharmananda who signs of with a "blessed be " and then demands attention on so -called perceived social hierarchy. You epitomize hypocracy and arrogance. Nobody owes u anything..get that in ur thick head. I thought that Jyotish, amongst other fields of Vedic Knowledge, was based essentially on the principle of the act of giving. If we are a small pound we will give only ripples. We are only able to give what we are... if you find that the world is not perfect then aspire to make yourself perfect... "Beauty dwells in the eye of the beholder". Comments: Agree. except that the Atma is intrinsically perfect, but the veil of ignorance appears to make it so, to the perciver and the percieved. How can we read a jyotish chart properly if we carry a so poor judgment on the concerned person. A simple and natural love toward your fellow friends allow you to uncover greater depth of knowledge and only then the most precious, efficient and fullfilling solutions will arise to make the person grow in happiness and in Bliss toward a higher state of Consciousness. Comments: No disagreement. But not a judgement, but an observation based on available data. Even Shankara in Bhaja Govindam had begun the beautifull poem by critiqing a scholar. As a Jyotishi, just by reading the jyotish chart, just by putting your simple and peaceful attention on the chart, the person should feel uplifted, elated and should experience the refreshing and infinite tenderness of Mother upon his being; the play of Parashakti, the dynamic field of all possibilites flowing in waves for hopes of greater achievements. This is a great blessing for the one who is seeking help... and even much greater blessing for the Jyotishi... ) Harmony, peace and equanimity are the first qualities of a Jyotishi. The mind of a perfect Jyotishi is grounded in the field of Atma. Why should we feel affected by the problems, we are only concerned with the solutions ) Amicalement Jean ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 , ajith@o... wrote: > > Dear Jean Clement, > > Quite philosophical musings and I agree with the content but i fail to see > how that repudiates my point.. She wasn't trying to repudiate your point, silly! She was just doing what real Jyotishi do constantly and automatically: spewing light everywhere. Blessed Be Dharmananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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