2-[JR], from MarkK,....1/20..... The 12th HOUSE.

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Dear DDN sayujya....

 

There tend to be these two extremes....of each house and the 12th house is

no exception....

 

On the one hand, powerful planets there....will give a lot of interest...in

terms of moksha...and enlightenment....spiritual experience...of the

transcendental nature....especially....

 

but....the other side...is the 12th house...is the house of financial

loss....

 

so...planets there tend to be involved in some sort...of 'loss'...quality in

one's life...

 

In other words... if sani...is there in the house of loss.....

 

then you may ...be 'at loss'....as to the positive sides of Sani....

and therefore suffer....too many of the malefic sides...like debts,

sufferings, grief and losses....financial as well....as others....

 

I have sani in my 12th house.... and the 2 scenarios...we've been talking

about...both...had their way with me!

 

 

Then, I started to get a 'hint' from Jyotish that.... some planets there are

good and others...not so good....

 

So...then I realized....that the spiritual inclinations...can be fine....

but I may need to re-think my patterns...associated with handling money...

 

The 12th house...is also a sanyasi or reclusive house...so people with

planets there may have a very powerful, reclusive...nature...

 

but...if the rest of their chart...has enough inclinations towards the

material.... these 2 aspects....sets one up...for a great conflict!

 

Yogananda, for example was supposed to have a Leo rising...and the Moon,

lord of his 12th house...in the first house...

 

and for him,...he was a life long celibate and sanyasi....

 

For others..like myself...can't speak for you, without knowing the other

aspects of your chart.....

 

I had a strong....monkish side to me.... but also....a strong... desire to

be a householder in this life...

 

So.... this brought many problems... until I learned how to reconcile... my

old, sanyasi...patterns of functioning with 12th house...activities... of

handling money, for example...

 

and learned how to treat money differently....

 

When I learned how to 'save' money, for example...all the Sani, grief,

associated with the 12th house....went away!

 

 

hope this helps....

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

PS.... I don't know if you've heard, but I also write a daily, Jyotish

newsletter, you might be interested in. It's primarely about the transits in

Jyotish but covers other areas as well.

If you or anyone else in this group would like to , feel free to

contact me at:

m.kincaid. And the newsletter is free.

 

 

 

 

 

> "sayujya7" <nairdd

>

> Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:22:28 -0000

>

> Re: The 12th HOUSE.

>

> Hello,

>

> What happens when Sani is in 12th house in Aries and Rahu is in the

> 10th house of career in Aquarius.Basically, lord of 10th house is in

> 12th house, the house of spiritual enlightenment.

>

> DDN

>

> , "sanjaytechnology"

> <sanjaytechnology> wrote:

>> All:

>>

>> We have become one very big family. This group is very inspiring

> and

>> very learned. Let us keep pointing to the RIGHT PATH.

>>

>>

>> The 12th house & the spiritual LINK

>> =====================================

>>

>> The 12th house, is not a very easy house in materialistic terms;

>> however, there exist hints in ancient texts that indicate the

>> spiritual significance of the 12th house! It is a house of

> paramount

>> importance in the horoscopes of religious figures and ascetics.

>> Confusingly, though, it has also been vested with attributes and

>> matters such as 'pleasures of the couch'

>>

>> Generally speaking, one's spiritual growth, also known as the

> quest

>> for knowing oneself, gets a kick start in a major way when one

>> faces 'choices' that pertain to losing something or someone who is

>> extremely dear.

>>

>> During most spiritual journeys, a time comes when one's

> attachments

>> and clinging must be challenged and subsequently shed. Invariably,

>> experiences at such points in time prove to be the pivots around

>> which the wheel of spiritual progress turns! Whether one actually

>> suffers the loss or merely faces the possibilities of such, and

> the

>> degree of metamorphosis that such an event or eventuality can

> bring

>> within oneself, varies between individuals, the profundity of the

>> effect, however, is felt unambiguously.

>>

>> A loss in the materialistic plane could mean a GAIN in the

>> spiritualistic.

>>

>>

>> Example:

>>

>> Saturn in 12 the points to 2nd which indicates money loss through

>> charities is extremely beneficial.

>>

>> 12th in general means overcoming the materialistic aspects to a

> tilt

>> towards the spiritual. '

>>

>> VENUS in 12th could indicate a battle that is fought less at the

>> mental level. However I have seen a VENUS in 12th with KETU for a

>> Gemini Ascendant. Very interesting combination. Here VENUS is in

>> own conjunct with debilitated KETU.

>>

>> ""The sun represents the individuality and ego (which can readily

>> become EGO!) and by virtue of being placed in the 12th house would

>> signify the lure of EGO, WHICH must be overcome by the nativity

>> before any real spiritual advancement can commence. This would be

>> even more so, should Leo be rising in the ascendant, thereby

>> imparting the sun with a natural and temporal or chart-specific

>> focus as during double duty as a significator of the self and ego,

>> two keywords that are primarily studied from the first house!

> Should

>> such a situation (sun in cancer in a Leo rising nativity) be

> present

>> in a chart where Saturn the epitome of humbleness rises, the path

>> towards self-effacement becomes harder and not easier! The task,

>> signified by the sun in the 12th remains the same, but the

>> expression and self-perception, thanks to the Saturn in ascendant,

>> lulls one into minimizing the extent of the task! "After all, how

>> much more humble can one appear", is what such a nativity feels?

> The

>> mantra for someone with such a horoscopic signature obviously is

>> to 'become' humble and not merely be contented with

>> simply "appearing" to be humble!""

>>

>> Please feel free to respond and ADD.

>>

>> Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

>>

>> Warm Regards.

>>

>> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

>

> ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

>

> Links

>

>

> /

>

>

>

>

> Your

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Mark,

 

Interesting thoughts about 12th house and Sani in

12th.

 

Somewhere I have read that planets in 12th bhava, give

happiness of their karakatwas.

 

I do not know your horoscope so cannot tell much.

Yes, you have rightly said about duality of every

house.

In fact , there is duality of every planet and every

house .

I aim to touch on this duality in my writing on Rahu

Maharaj.

Rgds

HT

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

> Dear DDN sayujya....

>

> There tend to be these two extremes....of each house

> and the 12th house is

> no exception....

>

> On the one hand, powerful planets there....will give

> a lot of interest...in

> terms of moksha...and enlightenment....spiritual

> experience...of the

> transcendental nature....especially....

>

> but....the other side...is the 12th house...is the

> house of financial

> loss....

>

> so...planets there tend to be involved in some

> sort...of 'loss'...quality in

> one's life...

>

> In other words... if sani...is there in the house of

> loss.....

>

> then you may ...be 'at loss'....as to the positive

> sides of Sani....

> and therefore suffer....too many of the malefic

> sides...like debts,

> sufferings, grief and losses....financial as

> well....as others....

>

> I have sani in my 12th house.... and the 2

> scenarios...we've been talking

> about...both...had their way with me!

>

>

> Then, I started to get a 'hint' from Jyotish

> that.... some planets there are

> good and others...not so good....

>

> So...then I realized....that the spiritual

> inclinations...can be fine....

> but I may need to re-think my patterns...associated

> with handling money...

>

> The 12th house...is also a sanyasi or reclusive

> house...so people with

> planets there may have a very powerful,

> reclusive...nature...

>

> but...if the rest of their chart...has enough

> inclinations towards the

> material.... these 2 aspects....sets one up...for a

> great conflict!

>

> Yogananda, for example was supposed to have a Leo

> rising...and the Moon,

> lord of his 12th house...in the first house...

>

> and for him,...he was a life long celibate and

> sanyasi....

>

> For others..like myself...can't speak for you,

> without knowing the other

> aspects of your chart.....

>

> I had a strong....monkish side to me.... but

> also....a strong... desire to

> be a householder in this life...

>

> So.... this brought many problems... until I learned

> how to reconcile... my

> old, sanyasi...patterns of functioning with 12th

> house...activities... of

> handling money, for example...

>

> and learned how to treat money differently....

>

> When I learned how to 'save' money, for

> example...all the Sani, grief,

> associated with the 12th house....went away!

>

>

> hope this helps....

>

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> PS.... I don't know if you've heard, but I also

> write a daily, Jyotish

> newsletter, you might be interested in. It's

> primarely about the transits in

> Jyotish but covers other areas as well.

> If you or anyone else in this group would like to

> , feel free to

> contact me at:

> m.kincaid. And the newsletter is free.

>

>

>

>

>

> > "sayujya7" <nairdd

> >

> > Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:22:28 -0000

> >

> > Re: The 12th HOUSE.

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > What happens when Sani is in 12th house in Aries

> and Rahu is in the

> > 10th house of career in Aquarius.Basically, lord

> of 10th house is in

> > 12th house, the house of spiritual enlightenment.

> >

> > DDN

> >

> > ,

> "sanjaytechnology"

> > <sanjaytechnology> wrote:

> >> All:

> >>

> >> We have become one very big family. This group is

> very inspiring

> > and

> >> very learned. Let us keep pointing to the RIGHT

> PATH.

> >>

> >>

> >> The 12th house & the spiritual LINK

> >> =====================================

> >>

> >> The 12th house, is not a very easy house in

> materialistic terms;

> >> however, there exist hints in ancient texts that

> indicate the

> >> spiritual significance of the 12th house! It is a

> house of

> > paramount

> >> importance in the horoscopes of religious figures

> and ascetics.

> >> Confusingly, though, it has also been vested with

> attributes and

> >> matters such as 'pleasures of the couch'

> >>

> >> Generally speaking, one's spiritual growth, also

> known as the

> > quest

> >> for knowing oneself, gets a kick start in a major

> way when one

> >> faces 'choices' that pertain to losing something

> or someone who is

> >> extremely dear.

> >>

> >> During most spiritual journeys, a time comes when

> one's

> > attachments

> >> and clinging must be challenged and subsequently

> shed. Invariably,

> >> experiences at such points in time prove to be

> the pivots around

> >> which the wheel of spiritual progress turns!

> Whether one actually

> >> suffers the loss or merely faces the

> possibilities of such, and

> > the

> >> degree of metamorphosis that such an event or

> eventuality can

> > bring

> >> within oneself, varies between individuals, the

> profundity of the

> >> effect, however, is felt unambiguously.

> >>

> >> A loss in the materialistic plane could mean a

> GAIN in the

> >> spiritualistic.

> >>

> >>

> >> Example:

> >>

> >> Saturn in 12 the points to 2nd which indicates

> money loss through

> >> charities is extremely beneficial.

> >>

> >> 12th in general means overcoming the

> materialistic aspects to a

> > tilt

> >> towards the spiritual. '

> >>

> >> VENUS in 12th could indicate a battle that is

> fought less at the

> >> mental level. However I have seen a VENUS in 12th

> with KETU for a

>

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Dear Mark,

Very interesting points you gave on the 12th house. Your reasoning and

explanation helped me gain another perspective and understanding of Sani in

the 12th house (as I also have this planet in this house).

 

Thank you for this contribuition, which helped me look at myself in a

different spectrum.

 

Roy

 

 

 

-

Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid

<>

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:59 AM

2-, from MarkK,....1/20..... Re: The 12th HOUSE.

 

 

> Dear DDN sayujya....

>

> There tend to be these two extremes....of each house and the 12th house is

> no exception....

>

> On the one hand, powerful planets there....will give a lot of

interest...in

> terms of moksha...and enlightenment....spiritual experience...of the

> transcendental nature....especially....

>

> but....the other side...is the 12th house...is the house of financial

> loss....

>

> so...planets there tend to be involved in some sort...of 'loss'...quality

in

> one's life...

>

> In other words... if sani...is there in the house of loss.....

>

> then you may ...be 'at loss'....as to the positive sides of Sani....

> and therefore suffer....too many of the malefic sides...like debts,

> sufferings, grief and losses....financial as well....as others....

>

> I have sani in my 12th house.... and the 2 scenarios...we've been talking

> about...both...had their way with me!

>

>

> Then, I started to get a 'hint' from Jyotish that.... some planets there

are

> good and others...not so good....

>

> So...then I realized....that the spiritual inclinations...can be fine....

> but I may need to re-think my patterns...associated with handling money...

>

> The 12th house...is also a sanyasi or reclusive house...so people with

> planets there may have a very powerful, reclusive...nature...

>

> but...if the rest of their chart...has enough inclinations towards the

> material.... these 2 aspects....sets one up...for a great conflict!

>

> Yogananda, for example was supposed to have a Leo rising...and the Moon,

> lord of his 12th house...in the first house...

>

> and for him,...he was a life long celibate and sanyasi....

>

> For others..like myself...can't speak for you, without knowing the other

> aspects of your chart.....

>

> I had a strong....monkish side to me.... but also....a strong... desire to

> be a householder in this life...

>

> So.... this brought many problems... until I learned how to reconcile...

my

> old, sanyasi...patterns of functioning with 12th house...activities... of

> handling money, for example...

>

> and learned how to treat money differently....

>

> When I learned how to 'save' money, for example...all the Sani, grief,

> associated with the 12th house....went away!

>

>

> hope this helps....

>

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> PS.... I don't know if you've heard, but I also write a daily, Jyotish

> newsletter, you might be interested in. It's primarely about the transits

in

> Jyotish but covers other areas as well.

> If you or anyone else in this group would like to , feel free to

> contact me at:

> m.kincaid. And the newsletter is free.

>

>

>

>

>

> > "sayujya7" <nairdd

> >

> > Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:22:28 -0000

> >

> > Re: The 12th HOUSE.

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > What happens when Sani is in 12th house in Aries and Rahu is in the

> > 10th house of career in Aquarius.Basically, lord of 10th house is in

> > 12th house, the house of spiritual enlightenment.

> >

> > DDN

> >

> > , "sanjaytechnology"

> > <sanjaytechnology> wrote:

> >> All:

> >>

> >> We have become one very big family. This group is very inspiring

> > and

> >> very learned. Let us keep pointing to the RIGHT PATH.

> >>

> >>

> >> The 12th house & the spiritual LINK

> >> =====================================

> >>

> >> The 12th house, is not a very easy house in materialistic terms;

> >> however, there exist hints in ancient texts that indicate the

> >> spiritual significance of the 12th house! It is a house of

> > paramount

> >> importance in the horoscopes of religious figures and ascetics.

> >> Confusingly, though, it has also been vested with attributes and

> >> matters such as 'pleasures of the couch'

> >>

> >> Generally speaking, one's spiritual growth, also known as the

> > quest

> >> for knowing oneself, gets a kick start in a major way when one

> >> faces 'choices' that pertain to losing something or someone who is

> >> extremely dear.

> >>

> >> During most spiritual journeys, a time comes when one's

> > attachments

> >> and clinging must be challenged and subsequently shed. Invariably,

> >> experiences at such points in time prove to be the pivots around

> >> which the wheel of spiritual progress turns! Whether one actually

> >> suffers the loss or merely faces the possibilities of such, and

> > the

> >> degree of metamorphosis that such an event or eventuality can

> > bring

> >> within oneself, varies between individuals, the profundity of the

> >> effect, however, is felt unambiguously.

> >>

> >> A loss in the materialistic plane could mean a GAIN in the

> >> spiritualistic.

> >>

> >>

> >> Example:

> >>

> >> Saturn in 12 the points to 2nd which indicates money loss through

> >> charities is extremely beneficial.

> >>

> >> 12th in general means overcoming the materialistic aspects to a

> > tilt

> >> towards the spiritual. '

> >>

> >> VENUS in 12th could indicate a battle that is fought less at the

> >> mental level. However I have seen a VENUS in 12th with KETU for a

> >> Gemini Ascendant. Very interesting combination. Here VENUS is in

> >> own conjunct with debilitated KETU.

> >>

> >> ""The sun represents the individuality and ego (which can readily

> >> become EGO!) and by virtue of being placed in the 12th house would

> >> signify the lure of EGO, WHICH must be overcome by the nativity

> >> before any real spiritual advancement can commence. This would be

> >> even more so, should Leo be rising in the ascendant, thereby

> >> imparting the sun with a natural and temporal or chart-specific

> >> focus as during double duty as a significator of the self and ego,

> >> two keywords that are primarily studied from the first house!

> > Should

> >> such a situation (sun in cancer in a Leo rising nativity) be

> > present

> >> in a chart where Saturn the epitome of humbleness rises, the path

> >> towards self-effacement becomes harder and not easier! The task,

> >> signified by the sun in the 12th remains the same, but the

> >> expression and self-perception, thanks to the Saturn in ascendant,

> >> lulls one into minimizing the extent of the task! "After all, how

> >> much more humble can one appear", is what such a nativity feels?

> > The

> >> mantra for someone with such a horoscopic signature obviously is

> >> to 'become' humble and not merely be contented with

> >> simply "appearing" to be humble!""

> >>

> >> Please feel free to respond and ADD.

> >>

> >> Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

> >>

> >> Warm Regards.

> >>

> >> --Sanjay Aggarwal

> >

> >

> > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> >

> > Links

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