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Hello Roy,No....I am not offended. In fact , if I can say, I ambeyond being

offended.Speaking about GURUS, (The So called), my researchindicates that they

are RAHU in disguise of Guru.Rahu is the only planet which owns Cheating as his

oneof the portfolios. He is Mayavi and can make hiselfseen in any form. I hope

you know how he got Amrita.He cannot show his power without people/mass

around.Hehas a huge appetite, unquenchable thirst and unendingMagnetic pulling

power of attrection.Lord of the chemistry ....is this Rahu.So let us steer

ourselves to God head and becomeNiskama as far as possible. Only then Rahu

cannottrouble us. Thus he has power to steer you to God. !!I love this

scoundrel Rahu.(Natural it is since I am born in Ashlesha !!!)RgdsHT-- Roy

Kamiki

<nutrideias (AT) netc (DOT) pt> wrote:> Hi Harishji> > Yes, I see what you mean. As a

matter of fact, I> fully understand your point> of view. I wouldn't be

surprised if statistics> proved 99% of the so-called> gurus to be bogus. But,

let us not lament or feel> pity for the misfortune of> many (which may include

myself) of being cheated or> fooled by false gurus.> > During the battle of

Kuruksetra, while Arjuna was> confused as to whether or> not he should fight

the battle, Krsna said the> following to his friend:> "While speaking wisely,

you are lamenting> needlessly. The wise do not lament> nether for the living

nor for the dead." (Bhagavad> Gita 2.11)> > Although the context of this verse

was to stress our> true nature of> ourselves, which is spiritual and eternal,

as> students of jyotish, we all> learn that

charts reflect the results of the> native's previous activities,> that is, their

Karma. And the Law of Karma is simply> stated - 'as you sow,> so shall you

reap'.> > From this very basic principle, we can conclude that> we all abide by

the Law> of Nature, and there is no such thing as victims (or> innocent

victims), and> therefore, no cheated or fooled. Each action> inexorably causes

some effect,> and each effect causes further effects. This cascade> of effects

becomes> exceedingly intricate and perplexing, embroiling us> in extended

matrices of> cause and effect, which bind us and the world> together into a

vast,> self-regulating system. As Mahatma Gandhi is> reported to have said,

'After> inventing the Law of Karma, God was able to retire.'> > Some houses

directly govern poorvapunya, or> past-life credit, such as

the> 5th and the 9th. The 9th house is the best house of> the horoscope, and as>

such any planet posited within will greatly> flourish. But, one of the>

predominant significations of the 9th house is> 'guru', and an afflicted> bhava

or debilitated planets such as Sun, Moon or> Mercury posited in this> house

usually render false or fraudulent gurus.> > We just has to pray that the

native of such> affliction can gradually evolve,> whether in the next life or

in the hundredth life,> eventually encounter a> genuine guru.> > Please forgive

me if this mail contains any bold> statements. I did not mean> to discredit your

comments or counteract your> beliefs. Just sharing some> personally

realisations.> > Roy> > > > > -> "Harish

Trivedi"

<harishtri >> <>> Sunday,

January 18, 2004 10:16 AM> Re: Difficulties in Understanding>

Brahman.> > > > Hello Roy Ramiki,> >> > Good words indeed. about Guru and his

importance.> !!> > Guru is a guide......> > Guru is a mile stone......Not the

destination.> > On this road to knowledge, we need to walk on our> own.> >> >

Gravitating always around a Guru makes you a> > satellite .> > When I see

people hero worshipping Gurus(So> called)> > I feel pity.> > Such Gurus

increase their importance by increasing> > their chelas.> > How many selfless

Gurus you see these days?> > I know a very very few.> > Sorry to differ a bit.>

> Rgds> > HT> > --- Roy Kamiki

<nutrideias (AT) netc (DOT) pt> wrote:> > > Dear Sanjay Prabhu and members,> > >> > > I

found your post on Brahman very inspiring.> > > Although I have a very strong>

> > interest in Jyotish (study and follow JR Forum> every> > > day), I also

somehow> > > naturally gravitate to topics on the Absolute.> > >> > > Sanjay

Prabhu, sorry for sounding so> condescending,> > > but I would like to> > >

stress the wonderful manner and approach of your> > > explanation on the

subject.> > > You are always very cautious in referring to the> > > source of

your statements> > > and affirmation. Sastric support is vital when> > >

referring to knowledge of the> > > Absolute Truth. We all know that, as jivas

and> > > limited beings, our senses> > >

and intelligence alone is incapable of grasping> or> > > understanding the> > >

Absolute.> > >> > > I have read many books on Jyotish, and most> authors> > >

claim the importance of> > > studying the subject with the guidance of a>

mentor> > > (guru). It must be> > > transmitted from a jyotishi who has

received the> > > needed spark from his own> > > mentor, and pass it on to the

next disciple. The> > > same parampara (disciplic> > > succession) principle

applies to topics on the> > > Absolute. Besides the support> > > of the

Sastras, we need a Guru, and eventually> > > sadhus from whom to seek> > >

inspiration and enthuse us on the path.> > >> > > This way, we can gradually

come to understand> the> > > Absolute

Truth even while> > > conditioned by our limited senses, mind and> > >

intelligence.> > >> > > Yasya deve para bhaktir> > > Yatha deve tatha gurau> >

> Tasyaite kathita hy arthah> > > Prakasante mahatmanah> > >> > > (Svetasvatara

Upanisad 6.23)> > >> > > "God is revealed to those who have fix devotion> to> >

> the Supreme Lord and is> > > conducted by a spiritual master, to whom he has>

the> > > same firm devotion and> > > faith."> > >> > > P.S. - Please forgive me

for the poor> translation.> > > The original text is not> > > in English.> > >>

> > Roy Kamiki> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > -> > >

"sanjaytechnology"> > > <sanjaytechnology >> > > To:

<>> > > Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:06

PM> > > Difficulties in Understanding> Brahman.> > >> > >> > > >

All:> > > >> > > > The knowledge of Brahman and the desire to> fell> > >

Brahman is the> > > > beginning of understanding of the "SELF".> However,> > >

the statements> > > > below are very powerful especiall the one "The> Isa> > >

Upanishad warns> > > > the students of Brahman not to take sides> while> > >

approaching Brahman.> > > > Those who worship the unmanifest (asambhutim)> ===

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