Guest guest Posted January 18, 2004 Report Share Posted January 18, 2004 What texts might I read that talks about marriage extending beyond the present relationship? That's truly fascinating. For that matter, might we talk a little bit about the basic precepts of reincarnation and rebirth? I use two different terms because in my understanding there is a difference between both (whereas generally Western notions of reincarnation is all encompassing.. in Hinduism reincarnation is for the Gods and re-birth is for us). How does Hinduism account for new souls and population size? This is a very complex subject. Best, Stephaniesanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology > wrote: Dear Stephanie:Please read every sentence in this response very carefully. The role of Hindu women in society and the significance of marriage and other things associated with it is a very vast, enlightening and interesting subject. I do not know at what level of detail you want to pursue this. Starting from the 7 Pheras of marriage and the marriage significance to the Vedas is mind boggling and reaches the ultimate levels of knowledge of the SELF. I leave you with a few fundamentals. "According to Hinduism, a woman is a form of energy (shaktiswarupini) or an aspect of Shakti. She is mata, the Mother Goddess, or devi the auspicious one. As a young child she is kanya, the goddess Durga. As a wife she is patni and saha dharma charini, a partner in her husbands religious duties. As a mother she is worthy of worship (matrudevobhava).A Marriage vowI take hold of your hand for good fortune, so that with me, your husband, you may attain to old age. The gods, Bhaga, Aryaman, Savitur and Pushan gave you to me for leading the life of a householder. (Rig Veda X. 85.36)A marriage blessingBounteous Indra, endow this bride with great sons and fortune. Give her ten sons and make the husband the eleventh. (Rig Veda X.85.46)While Tying the Sacred Thread O maiden of many auspicious qualities, I tie this sacred thread around your neck for my long life. May you live happily for a hundred years! "A few simple and straight facts about Hindu marriages:1. Hindus consider marriage as a sacred relationship, between two souls, not just two bodies.2. Hindus believe that the marriage relationship extends beyond one life. This is a very very powerful concept. I would love to have a discussion on this 3. In the traditional marriage, the bride and the bridegroom are considered as divinities. The bride is first married to gods and then placed under the bridegroom's protection as a gift from gods.4. At the time of marriage, the bridegroom ties a sacred thread around the bride's neck and accepts her hand (panigrahanam.) in marriage. Then they both take seven steps (saptapadi) together around the fire uttering vows of friendship and mutual loyalty.5. Hindu marriage tradition recognizes the importance of a woman in the family. She is expected to share the responsibilities of the household like a goddess (grihalakshmi) and enjoy the love and care of her husband and children., Stephanie Marie <chotoprajapati> wrote:> From a broad based philosophical vantage point, I do understand the concept of attachment and desire as the bonds that cause suffering. In fact, a scholar in my field once wrote that "coherence in contradiction marks the force of desire." And it does seem to me that we often find ourselves continually making sense of the pain and frustrations because of certain desires that we have; appetites; attachments.> > But also, while our overarching destination is detachment from all (liberation from desire and therefore liberation from pain and suffering) isn't it also the case that most of us will not achieve such a state in our current lifetimes? How can we be members of families, partners in relationships, employees and employers, in fact members of this Internet group discussion, without a profound sense of attachment to ideologies, desires, etc??> > The grander more esoteric concepts are wonderful intellectual fuel for the spirit. But as you can see, I'm also asking more pragmatic questions about living day to day inside a Hindu family. How do I draw intersections between these grander issues and those of more pragmatic ones like mothering, being a wife/lover, a best friend, a daughter, a sister, etc. > > In a society, and for that matter a culture, that places heavy emphasis on certain types of roles for women.... a woman is under tremendous social pressure to perform certain functions. She often has no time to pursue these kinds of ideas. Surely, you all see the complications that arise here? Might someone speak to this? > > I teach my students high rhetorical theory. But at the same time, I provide them with a field of visualization that puts that theory into motion, into play in their very real very messy very complicated lives. Thus far, much of what I've read here has been incredibly helpful and informative. I've taken lots of notes as your comments serve as points of departure for me in my own study. Yet... I still need to understand how these ideas fuse with the busy and sometimes laborious life of a hindu woman keeping up tradition.> > astroneed <astroneed> wrote:> Dear Sir, > > how about Gaj kesari yog in 12th house. What does that mean ? > Also does ketu in 12th mean highly spiritual person.> > > Regards> > > ASTRONEED> > > --- In , "sanjaytechnology" > <sanjaytechnology> wrote:> > All:> > > > We have become one very big family. This group is very inspiring > and > > very learned. Let us keep pointing to the RIGHT PATH. > > > > > > The 12th house & the spiritual LINK> > =====================================> > > > The 12th house, is not a very easy house in materialistic terms; > > however, there exist hints in ancient texts that indicate the > > spiritual significance of the 12th house! It is a house of > paramount > > importance in the horoscopes of religious figures and ascetics. > > Confusingly, though, it has also been vested with attributes and > > matters such as 'pleasures of the couch' > > > > Generally speaking, one's spiritual growth, also known as the quest > > for knowing oneself, gets a kick start in a major way when one > > faces 'choices' that pertain to losing something or someone who is > > extremely dear. > > > > During most spiritual journeys, a time comes when one's attachments > > and clinging must be challenged and subsequently shed. Invariably, > > experiences at such points in time prove to be the pivots around > > which the wheel of spiritual progress turns! Whether one actually > > suffers the loss or merely faces the possibilities of such, and the > > degree of metamorphosis that such an event or eventuality can bring > > within oneself, varies between individuals, the profundity of the > > effect, however, is felt unambiguously.> > > > A loss in the materialistic plane could mean a GAIN in the > > spiritualistic. > > > > > > Example:> > > > Saturn in 12 the points to 2nd which indicates money loss through > > charities is extremely beneficial. > > > > 12th in general means overcoming the materialistic aspects to a > tilt > > towards the spiritual. '> > > > VENUS in 12th could indicate a battle that is fought less at the > > mental level. However I have seen a VENUS in 12th with KETU for a > > Gemini Ascendant. Very interesting combination. Here VENUS is in > > own conjunct with debilitated KETU. > > > > ""The sun represents the individuality and ego (which can readily > > become EGO!) and by virtue of being placed in the 12th house would > > signify the lure of EGO, WHICH must be overcome by the nativity > > before any real spiritual advancement can commence. This would be > > even more so, should Leo be rising in the ascendant, thereby > > imparting the sun with a natural and temporal or chart-specific > > focus as during double duty as a significator of the self and ego, > > two keywords that are primarily studied from the first house! > Should > > such a situation (sun in cancer in a Leo rising nativity) be > present > > in a chart where Saturn the epitome of humbleness rises, the path > > towards self-effacement becomes harder and not easier! The task, > > signified by the sun in the 12th remains the same, but the > > expression and self-perception, thanks to the Saturn in ascendant, > > lulls one into minimizing the extent of the task! "After all, how > > much more humble can one appear", is what such a nativity feels? > The > > mantra for someone with such a horoscopic signature obviously is > > to 'become' humble and not merely be contented with > > simply "appearing" to be humble!""> > > > Please feel free to respond and ADD. > > > > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti. > > > > Warm Regards. > > > > --Sanjay Aggarwal> > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > Links> > > /> > To from this group, send an email to:> > > > > > > "WHEN LIFE HANDS YOU LEMONS, DEMAND A CORONA TO GO WITH IT."> > "I'M NOT CRAZY, JUST INTELLECTUALLY INDEPENDENT."~! 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