2-[JR]& Sanjay, from MarkK, 1/18.... Understanding Brahman.

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Wow.... sanjay!

 

Well...said... You put into words...beautifully.... why I've felt so

comfortable...with everything Vedic...

 

It's not Indian....it's Universal... the Self...or Pure Consciousness...

exists within everyone...

 

The Ved...exists within everyone.... Indians.... have just a fortunate...

past history ....of adoreing...this reality....

 

even have found the eternal language of Nature in sanskrit....

which is not man made....

 

but the vibration....that means....that object...

 

Sanskrit...expresses the eternal...1 to 1 correspondence between the object

'itself'...and the name...that it represents...

 

So...if you're established enough in that pure consciousness.... you can

utter the sanskrit name for something...and it will appear or manifest...

 

Wow... I'm a Hindu! Cool!

 

 

hehehhe

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

> "sanjaytechnology" <sanjaytechnology

>

> Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:10:36 -0000

>

> Re: Difficulties in Understanding Brahman.--> Roy

>

> Dear Mr. Roy:

>

>

> Very Inspiring Indeed. Another thing I would like to mention. The

> more we delve into Vedic Astrology, I have found how the knowledge

> of the SELF unfolds in many many ways. You can see how it is

> happening in our Group.

>

> There are many ways in which one can approach God. All paths in the

> end lead to Him only. Each has to pursue the path of God according

> to his or her inner nature and evolution. Hinduism says, "Follow

> your own self, live according to your own dharma and discover you

> own truth that is in harmony with yourself.

>

> "Truly speaking every one in this world is a Hindu, whether he

> believes in God or not, whether he is a Hindu or a Buddhist or of

> some other faith. A Hindu is an individual soul who has been

> separated from God, is under illusion and has to rejoin God some

> day. No one need force him to become a Hindu in the physical sense,

> because one day, in some birth, he will become aware of what he is

> or who he is. WHAT HE DOES IN BETWEEN IS ALL PART OF DIVINE PLAY"

>

> Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

>

> , "Roy Kamiki"

> <nutrideias@n...> wrote:

>> Dear Sanjay Prabhu and members,

>>

>> I found your post on Brahman very inspiring. Although I have a

> very strong

>> interest in Jyotish (study and follow JR Forum every day), I also

> somehow

>> naturally gravitate to topics on the Absolute.

>>

>> Sanjay Prabhu, sorry for sounding so condescending, but I would

> like to

>> stress the wonderful manner and approach of your explanation on

> the subject.

>> You are always very cautious in referring to the source of your

> statements

>> and affirmation. Sastric support is vital when referring to

> knowledge of the

>> Absolute Truth. We all know that, as jivas and limited beings, our

> senses

>> and intelligence alone is incapable of grasping or understanding

> the

>> Absolute.

>>

>> I have read many books on Jyotish, and most authors claim the

> importance of

>> studying the subject with the guidance of a mentor (guru). It must

> be

>> transmitted from a jyotishi who has received the needed spark from

> his own

>> mentor, and pass it on to the next disciple. The same parampara

> (disciplic

>> succession) principle applies to topics on the Absolute. Besides

> the support

>> of the Sastras, we need a Guru, and eventually sadhus from whom to

> seek

>> inspiration and enthuse us on the path.

>>

>> This way, we can gradually come to understand the Absolute Truth

> even while

>> conditioned by our limited senses, mind and intelligence.

>>

>> Yasya deve para bhaktir

>> Yatha deve tatha gurau

>> Tasyaite kathita hy arthah

>> Prakasante mahatmanah

>>

>> (Svetasvatara Upanisad 6.23)

>>

>> "God is revealed to those who have fix devotion to the Supreme

> Lord and is

>> conducted by a spiritual master, to whom he has the same firm

> devotion and

>> faith."

>>

>> P.S. - Please forgive me for the poor translation. The original

> text is not

>> in English.

>>

>> Roy Kamiki

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> -

>> "sanjaytechnology" <sanjaytechnology>

>> <>

>> Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:06 PM

>> Difficulties in Understanding Brahman.

>>

>>

>>> All:

>>>

>>> The knowledge of Brahman and the desire to fell Brahman is the

>>> beginning of understanding of the "SELF". However, the statements

>>> below are very powerful especiall the one "The Isa Upanishad

> warns

>>> the students of Brahman not to take sides while approaching

> Brahman.

>>> Those who worship the unmanifest (asambhutim) enter blinding

>>> darkness and those who worship the manifest only (sambhutim)

> enter

>>> into greater darkness. The right approach is to worship both and

>>> realize one through the other." This is a very very powerful

>>> statement.

>>>

>>> Read the statement below, and then the article below.

>>>

>>> A man knocked on the God's door. "Who's is there?" asked God from

>>> within. "It's me," said the man. "Go away then. There is no room

> for

>>> two," said God. The man departed and wandered in the arid desert

>>> until he realized his error. Returning to the door, he knocked

> once

>>> again. "Who's is there?" asked God as before. "You," answered the

>>> man. "Then come in," God replied.

>>>

>>>

>>> Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

>>>

>>> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>>>

>>> Difficulties in Understanding Brahman

>>> Any attempt to explain Brahman to the satisfaction of a mind

> that is

>>> driven by reason and familiar with the concretization thought is

>>> fraught with enormous difficulties, because that which is

>>> inexplicable cannot be explained by any amount of reasoning and

>>> logic. Brahman is beyond the senses, beyond the mind, beyond our

>>> intelligence and dreams. Then how can It be explained to the

>>> satisfaction of an intellectual and curious mind? The Rigvedic

> seers

>>> themselves had this problem in their mind when they called Him

>>> vaguely as "IT" or "This" or "That"

>>>

>>> The difficulty in understanding and knowing Brahman is well

>>> explained in the Kena Upanishad. Even gods are not free from

> their

>>> ignorance of Brahman (II.2.1). All that we can understand about

>>> Brahman is that we cannot understand It. Even after prolonged

>>> spiritual practice and meditation, one cannot even conclude

> whether

>>> one knows it or not. If a person thinks that he knows It, he does

>>> not know that he does not know. To whomsoever It is not known,

> It is

>>> known to him. But to whomsoever it is known, is not known to

> him. It

>>> is not understood by those who understand it and understood by

> those

>>> who do not understand it. It can be known only when one

> experiences

>>> directly at all levels of consciousness. (II. 2. 2-4).

>>>

>>> Trying to worship Brahman incorrectly and ignorantly without

> knowing

>>> the right approach can also result in great difficulties for a

>>> person who is on the path to salvation. The Isa Upanishad warns

> the

>>> students of Brahman not to take sides while approaching Brahman.

>>> Those who worship the unmanifest (asambhutim) enter blinding

>>> darkness and those who worship the manifest only (sambhutim)

> enter

>>> into greater darkness. The right approach is to worship both and

>>> realize one through the other.

>>>

>>> Even an enlightened seer like Yagnavalkya had difficulties in

>>> explaining the nature of Brahman and his creation. While

> speaking to

>>> Sakalya in Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, he declares, " That Self is

> not

>>> this, not this. It is incomprehensible for it is not

> comprehended."

>>> When Gargi Vacaknavi asks him too many questions, in the same

>>> Upanishad he expresses his irritation saying, " Gargi, do not

>>> question too much. Otherwise your head may fall off. You are

> asking

>>> so many questions about a divinity about whom we are not

> expected to

>>> ask many questions."

>>>

>>> Else where in the same Upanishad he resorts to negative

> terminology

>>> to explain the inexplicable using such words as aksaram

>>> (imperishable), asthulam (not gross), ananu (not subtle),

> ahrasvam

>>> (nor short), adirgham (not long), achchayam (not shadow), atamah

>>> (not tamasic) and so on (Brihadaranyaka III.8.8).

>>>

>>> What is the original state of Brahman? Even the seers do not

> seem to

>>> have an answer. Uddalaka Aruni tells Svetaketu in Chandogya

>>> Upanishad, that in the beginning the Being was alone, one only,

> one

>>> without a second and in the next moment changes his statement

>>> stating that according to some in the beginning the non-Being was

>>> alone, without a second and that from that non-Being being was

>>> produced. (VI.2.1)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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