Attachments , Marriage, Women, Hindu--> Stephanie

January 18, 2004

Dear Stephanie:

Please read every sentence in this response very carefully.

The role of Hindu women in society and the significance of marriage

and other things associated with it is a very vast, enlightening and

interesting subject. I do not know at what level of detail you want

to pursue this. Starting from the 7 Pheras of marriage and the

marriage significance to the Vedas is mind boggling and reaches the

ultimate levels of knowledge of the SELF.

I leave you with a few fundamentals.

"According to Hinduism, a woman is a form of energy

(shaktiswarupini) or an aspect of Shakti. She is mata, the Mother

Goddess, or devi the auspicious one. As a young child she is kanya,

the goddess Durga. As a wife she is patni and saha dharma charini,

a partner in her husbands religious duties. As a mother she is

worthy of worship (matrudevobhava).

A Marriage vow

I take hold of your hand for good fortune, so that with me, your

husband, you may attain to old age. The gods, Bhaga, Aryaman,

Savitur and Pushan gave you to me for leading the life of a

householder. (Rig Veda X. 85.36)

A marriage blessing

Bounteous Indra, endow this bride with great sons and fortune. Give

her ten sons and make the husband the eleventh. (Rig Veda X.85.46)

While Tying the Sacred Thread

O maiden of many auspicious qualities, I tie this sacred thread

around your neck for my long life. May you live happily for a

hundred years!

"

A few simple and straight facts about Hindu marriages:

1. Hindus consider marriage as a sacred relationship, between two

souls, not just two bodies.

2. Hindus believe that the marriage relationship extends beyond one

life. This is a very very powerful concept. I would love to have a

discussion on this

3. In the traditional marriage, the bride and the bridegroom are

considered as divinities. The bride is first married to gods and

then placed under the bridegroom's protection as a gift from gods.

4. At the time of marriage, the bridegroom ties a sacred thread

around the bride's neck and accepts her hand (panigrahanam.) in

marriage. Then they both take seven steps (saptapadi) together

around the fire uttering vows of friendship and mutual loyalty.

5. Hindu marriage tradition recognizes the importance of a woman in

the family. She is expected to share the responsibilities of the

household like a goddess (grihalakshmi) and enjoy the love and care

of her husband and children.

, Stephanie Marie

<chotoprajapati> wrote:

> From a broad based philosophical vantage point, I do understand

the concept of attachment and desire as the bonds that cause

suffering. In fact, a scholar in my field once wrote

that "coherence in contradiction marks the force of desire." And it

does seem to me that we often find ourselves continually making

sense of the pain and frustrations because of certain desires that

we have; appetites; attachments.

>

> But also, while our overarching destination is detachment from all

(liberation from desire and therefore liberation from pain and

suffering) isn't it also the case that most of us will not achieve

such a state in our current lifetimes? How can we be members of

families, partners in relationships, employees and employers, in

fact members of this Internet group discussion, without a profound

sense of attachment to ideologies, desires, etc??

>

> The grander more esoteric concepts are wonderful intellectual fuel

for the spirit. But as you can see, I'm also asking more pragmatic

questions about living day to day inside a Hindu family. How do I

draw intersections between these grander issues and those of more

pragmatic ones like mothering, being a wife/lover, a best friend, a

daughter, a sister, etc.

>

> In a society, and for that matter a culture, that places heavy

emphasis on certain types of roles for women.... a woman is under

tremendous social pressure to perform certain functions. She often

has no time to pursue these kinds of ideas. Surely, you all see the

complications that arise here? Might someone speak to this?

>

> I teach my students high rhetorical theory. But at the same time,

I provide them with a field of visualization that puts that theory

into motion, into play in their very real very messy very

complicated lives. Thus far, much of what I've read here has been

incredibly helpful and informative. I've taken lots of notes as

your comments serve as points of departure for me in my own study.

Yet... I still need to understand how these ideas fuse with the busy

and sometimes laborious life of a hindu woman keeping up tradition.

>

> astroneed <astroneed> wrote:

> Dear Sir,

>

> how about Gaj kesari yog in 12th house. What does that mean ?

> Also does ketu in 12th mean highly spiritual person.

>

> Regards

>

> ASTRONEED

>

> , "sanjaytechnology"

> <sanjaytechnology> wrote:

> > All:

> >

> > We have become one very big family. This group is very inspiring

> and

> > very learned. Let us keep pointing to the RIGHT PATH.

> >

> > The 12th house & the spiritual LINK

> > =====================================

> >

> > The 12th house, is not a very easy house in materialistic

terms;

> > however, there exist hints in ancient texts that indicate the

> > spiritual significance of the 12th house! It is a house of

> paramount

> > importance in the horoscopes of religious figures and ascetics.

> > Confusingly, though, it has also been vested with attributes and

> > matters such as 'pleasures of the couch'

> >

> > Generally speaking, one's spiritual growth, also known as the

quest

> > for knowing oneself, gets a kick start in a major way when one

> > faces 'choices' that pertain to losing something or someone who

is

> > extremely dear.

> >

> > During most spiritual journeys, a time comes when one's

attachments

> > and clinging must be challenged and subsequently shed.

Invariably,

> > experiences at such points in time prove to be the pivots around

> > which the wheel of spiritual progress turns! Whether one

actually

> > suffers the loss or merely faces the possibilities of such, and

the

> > degree of metamorphosis that such an event or eventuality can

bring

> > within oneself, varies between individuals, the profundity of

the

> > effect, however, is felt unambiguously.

> >

> > A loss in the materialistic plane could mean a GAIN in the

> > spiritualistic.

> >

> > Example:

> >

> > Saturn in 12 the points to 2nd which indicates money loss

through

> > charities is extremely beneficial.

> >

> > 12th in general means overcoming the materialistic aspects to a

> tilt

> > towards the spiritual. '

> >

> > VENUS in 12th could indicate a battle that is fought less at the

> > mental level. However I have seen a VENUS in 12th with KETU for

a

> > Gemini Ascendant. Very interesting combination. Here VENUS is

in

> > own conjunct with debilitated KETU.

> >

> > ""The sun represents the individuality and ego (which can

readily

> > become EGO!) and by virtue of being placed in the 12th house

would

> > signify the lure of EGO, WHICH must be overcome by the nativity

> > before any real spiritual advancement can commence. This would

be

> > even more so, should Leo be rising in the ascendant, thereby

> > imparting the sun with a natural and temporal or chart-specific

> > focus as during double duty as a significator of the self and

ego,

> > two keywords that are primarily studied from the first house!

> Should

> > such a situation (sun in cancer in a Leo rising nativity) be

> present

> > in a chart where Saturn the epitome of humbleness rises, the

path

> > towards self-effacement becomes harder and not easier! The task,

> > signified by the sun in the 12th remains the same, but the

> > expression and self-perception, thanks to the Saturn in

ascendant,

> > lulls one into minimizing the extent of the task! "After all,

how

> > much more humble can one appear", is what such a nativity feels?

> The

> > mantra for someone with such a horoscopic signature obviously is

> > to 'become' humble and not merely be contented with

> > simply "appearing" to be humble!""

> >

> > Please feel free to respond and ADD.

> >

> > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

> >

> > Warm Regards.

> >

> > --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

> ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

>

> Links

>

> /

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

> "WHEN LIFE HANDS YOU LEMONS, DEMAND A CORONA TO GO WITH IT."

>

> "I'M NOT CRAZY, JUST INTELLECTUALLY INDEPENDENT."

January 18, 2004

This is enlightening. Would you mind forwarding to me the titles of the texts

you are quoting from? Given that you are citing them in English, I presume

they are available in English or are you translating? I appreciate the indepth

discussion but I also want to be able to read these things for myself.

For All Others:

Does anyone have any information about Ram Thakur (another name, forgive the

phonetic misspelling koebolonath)? This is the guru I will be taking diksha

under. I know quite a bit about him but my intellectual self would always like

to know more. It's strange because I've always felt a stronger affinity toward

the Siva side versus the Vishnu side but I'm told that it's easier, when

managing a household, to have the same guru as that of your husband.

I realize these comments may appear ridiculously mundane for many of you who

want to pursue higher philosophical meditations. But this is the first time

I've been able to address some of my concerns without fear of

misinterpretation. Thank you for your patience and your willingness to share

your own understandings.

Have there been Indian couples that challenge some of the vows? For example,

the ones that emphasize sons over daughters? Just curious.

sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology > wrote:

Dear Stephanie:Please read every sentence in this response very carefully. The

role of Hindu women in society and the significance of marriage and other

things associated with it is a very vast, enlightening and interesting subject.

I do not know at what level of detail you want to pursue this. Starting from the

7 Pheras of marriage and the marriage significance to the Vedas is mind boggling

and reaches the ultimate levels of knowledge of the SELF. I leave you with a few

fundamentals. "According to Hinduism, a woman is a form of energy

(shaktiswarupini) or an aspect of Shakti. She is mata, the Mother Goddess, or

devi the auspicious one. As a young child she is kanya, the goddess Durga. As

a wife she is patni and saha dharma charini, a partner in her husbands

religious duties. As a mother she is

worthy of worship (matrudevobhava).A Marriage vowI take hold of your hand for

good fortune, so that with me, your husband, you may attain to old age. The

gods, Bhaga, Aryaman, Savitur and Pushan gave you to me for leading the life of

a householder. (Rig Veda X. 85.36)A marriage blessingBounteous Indra, endow this

bride with great sons and fortune. Give her ten sons and make the husband the

eleventh. (Rig Veda X.85.46)While Tying the Sacred Thread O maiden of many

auspicious qualities, I tie this sacred thread around your neck for my long

life. May you live happily for a hundred years! "A few simple and straight

facts about Hindu marriages:1. Hindus consider marriage as a sacred

relationship, between two souls, not just two bodies.2. Hindus believe that the

marriage relationship extends beyond one life. This is a very very powerful

concept. I would love to have a

discussion on this 3. In the traditional marriage, the bride and the bridegroom

are considered as divinities. The bride is first married to gods and then

placed under the bridegroom's protection as a gift from gods.4. At the time of

marriage, the bridegroom ties a sacred thread around the bride's neck and

accepts her hand (panigrahanam.) in marriage. Then they both take seven steps

(saptapadi) together around the fire uttering vows of friendship and mutual

loyalty.5. Hindu marriage tradition recognizes the importance of a woman in the

family. She is expected to share the responsibilities of the household like a

goddess (grihalakshmi) and enjoy the love and care of her husband and

children., Stephanie Marie

<chotoprajapati> wrote:> From a broad based philosophical vantage point, I

do understand the concept of attachment and desire as the bonds

that cause suffering. In fact, a scholar in my field once wrote that "coherence

in contradiction marks the force of desire." And it does seem to me that we

often find ourselves continually making sense of the pain and frustrations

because of certain desires that we have; appetites; attachments.> > But also,

while our overarching destination is detachment from all (liberation from

desire and therefore liberation from pain and suffering) isn't it also the case

that most of us will not achieve such a state in our current lifetimes? How can

we be members of families, partners in relationships, employees and employers,

in fact members of this Internet group discussion, without a profound sense of

attachment to ideologies, desires, etc??> > The grander more esoteric concepts

are wonderful intellectual fuel for the spirit. But as you can see, I'm also

asking more pragmatic

questions about living day to day inside a Hindu family. How do I draw

intersections between these grander issues and those of more pragmatic ones

like mothering, being a wife/lover, a best friend, a daughter, a sister, etc.

> > In a society, and for that matter a culture, that places heavy emphasis on

certain types of roles for women.... a woman is under tremendous social pressure

to perform certain functions. She often has no time to pursue these kinds of

ideas. Surely, you all see the complications that arise here? Might someone

speak to this? > > I teach my students high rhetorical theory. But at the

same time, I provide them with a field of visualization that puts that theory

into motion, into play in their very real very messy very complicated lives.

Thus far, much of what I've read here has been incredibly helpful and

informative. I've

taken lots of notes as your comments serve as points of departure for me in my

own study. Yet... I still need to understand how these ideas fuse with the

busy and sometimes laborious life of a hindu woman keeping up tradition.> >

astroneed <astroneed> wrote:> Dear Sir, > > how about Gaj kesari yog in

12th house. What does that mean ? > Also does ketu in 12th mean highly

spiritual person.> > > Regards> > > ASTRONEED> > > --- In

, "sanjaytechnology" > <sanjaytechnology>

wrote:> > All:> > > > We have become one very big family. This group is very

inspiring > and > > very learned. Let us keep pointing to the RIGHT PATH. > > >

> > > The 12th house & the spiritual LINK> >

=====================================> > > > The 12th house, is not a very easy

house in materialistic terms; > > however, there exist hints in ancient texts

that indicate the > > spiritual significance of the 12th house! It is a house

of > paramount > > importance in the horoscopes of religious figures and

ascetics. > > Confusingly, though, it has also been vested with attributes and

> > matters such as 'pleasures of the couch' > > > > Generally speaking, one's

spiritual growth, also known as the quest > > for knowing oneself, gets a kick

start in a major way when one > > faces 'choices' that pertain to losing

something or someone who is > > extremely dear. > > > > During most spiritual

journeys, a time comes when one's attachments > > and clinging must be

challenged and subsequently shed. Invariably,

> > experiences at such points in time prove to be the pivots around > > which

the wheel of spiritual progress turns! Whether one actually > > suffers the

loss or merely faces the possibilities of such, and the > > degree of

metamorphosis that such an event or eventuality can bring > > within oneself,

varies between individuals, the profundity of the > > effect, however, is felt

unambiguously.> > > > A loss in the materialistic plane could mean a GAIN in

the > > spiritualistic. > > > > > > Example:> > > > Saturn in 12 the points to

2nd which indicates money loss through > > charities is extremely beneficial. >

> > > 12th in general means overcoming the materialistic aspects to a > tilt > >

towards the spiritual. '> > > > VENUS in 12th could indicate a battle

that is fought less at the > > mental level. However I have seen a VENUS in 12th

with KETU for a > > Gemini Ascendant. Very interesting combination. Here VENUS

is in > > own conjunct with debilitated KETU. > > > > ""The sun represents the

individuality and ego (which can readily > > become EGO!) and by virtue of

being placed in the 12th house would > > signify the lure of EGO, WHICH must be

overcome by the nativity > > before any real spiritual advancement can commence.

This would be > > even more so, should Leo be rising in the ascendant, thereby >

> imparting the sun with a natural and temporal or chart-specific > > focus as

during double duty as a significator of the self and ego, > > two keywords that

are primarily studied from the first house! > Should > > such a situation (sun

in cancer in a Leo rising nativity)

be > present > > in a chart where Saturn the epitome of humbleness rises, the

path > > towards self-effacement becomes harder and not easier! The task, > >

signified by the sun in the 12th remains the same, but the > > expression and

self-perception, thanks to the Saturn in ascendant, > > lulls one into

minimizing the extent of the task! "After all, how > > much more humble can one

appear", is what such a nativity feels? > The > > mantra for someone with such a

horoscopic signature obviously is > > to 'become' humble and not merely be

contented with > > simply "appearing" to be humble!""> > > > Please feel free

to respond and ADD. > > > > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti. > > > > Warm Regards. > >

> > --Sanjay Aggarwal> > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS

SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > Links> >

>

/> > To from

this group, send an email to:> >

> > > >

> "WHEN LIFE HANDS YOU LEMONS, DEMAND A CORONA TO GO WITH IT."> > "I'M NOT

CRAZY, JUST INTELLECTUALLY INDEPENDENT."~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST

WINS SURVIVAL !~ To visit your group on the web, go

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January 18, 2004

You know, coming from Paramhansa

Yogananda…..he brought Kriya

Yoga to the ‘householder’ as well as the West. It was his utmost

belief that one can

attain self realization even if one is a householder or common

‘person’. Here in the U.S. there are many cultures and many follow

traditional roles despite how we may appear to the rest of the world (as

women). I come from a Hispanic and

British background and my spouse is Hispanic. Women are very subservient in traditional

Hispanic households. Even though I am anything but traditionally subservient, I

am very dovoted and loyal to my spouse and bend in ways that is

hard for me to communicate (as he has multiple health issues). I, too, run a

big household with several

children…work full time and so on.

It would be unthinkable for me, however, to ever doubt that I am going

to continue on a spiritual and astrological path despite the fact that I

sometimes have no time to pursue it.

I still ‘do’ irregardless and find the time to study just

because it is something important to me….as important as my physical

duties in this world.

Just my 2

cents worth. That description of a

Hindu marriage and its principles was absolutely beautiful, Sanjay. Thank you.

Renee

Stephanie Marie

[chotoprajapati ]

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To:

Re: Re: Attachments

, Marriage, Women, Hindu--> Stephanie

Dear Sanjay:

This is enlightening. Would you mind forwarding

to me the titles of the texts you are quoting from? Given that you are

citing them in English, I presume they are available in English or are you

translating? I appreciate the indepth discussion but I also want to be

able to read these things for myself.

For All Others:

Does anyone have any information about Ram Thakur

(another name, forgive the phonetic misspelling koebolonath)? This is the

guru I will be taking diksha under. I know quite a bit about him but my

intellectual self would always like to know more. It's strange because

I've always felt a stronger affinity toward the Siva side versus the Vishnu

side but I'm told that it's easier, when managing a household, to have the same

guru as that of your husband.

I realize these comments may appear ridiculously

mundane for many of you who want to pursue higher philosophical

meditations. But this is the first time I've been able to address some of

my concerns without fear of misinterpretation. Thank you for your

patience and your willingness to share your own understandings.

Have there been Indian couples that challenge some of

the vows? For example, the ones that emphasize sons over daughters?

Just curious.

font-style:italic">sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology >

wrote:

margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">Dear Stephanie:

Please read every sentence in this response very

carefully.

The role of Hindu women in society and the

significance of marriage

and other things associated with it is a very

vast, enlightening and

interesting subject. I do not know at what level

of detail you want

to pursue this. Starting from the 7 Pheras of

marriage and the

marriage significance to the Vedas is mind

boggling and reaches the

ultimate levels of knowledge of the SELF.

I leave you with a few fundamentals.

"According to Hinduism, a woman is a form of

energy

(shaktiswarupini) or an aspect of Shakti. She is

mata, the Mother

Goddess, or devi the auspicious one. As a young

child she is kanya,

the goddess Durga. As a wife she is patni and saha

dharma charini,

a partner in her husbands religious duties. As a

mother she is

worthy of worship (matrudevobhava).

A Marriage vow

I take hold of your hand for good fortune, so that

with me, your

husband, you may attain to old age. The gods,

Bhaga, Aryaman,

Savitur and Pushan gave you to me for leading the

life of a

householder. (Rig Veda X. 85.36)

A marriage blessing

Bounteous Indra, endow this bride with great sons and

fortune. Give

her ten sons and make the husband the eleventh.

(Rig Veda X.85.46)

While Tying the Sacred Thread

O maiden of many auspicious qualities, I tie this

sacred thread

around your neck for my long life. May you live

happily for a

hundred years!

"

A few simple and straight facts about Hindu

marriages:

1. Hindus consider marriage as a sacred

relationship, between two

souls, not just two bodies.

2. Hindus believe that the marriage relationship

extends beyond one

life. This is a very very powerful concept. I

would love to have a

discussion on this

3. In the traditional marriage, the bride and the

bridegroom are

considered as divinities. The bride is first

married to gods and

then placed under the bridegroom's protection as a

gift from gods.

4. At the time of marriage, the bridegroom ties a

sacred thread

around the bride's neck and accepts her hand

(panigrahanam.) in

marriage. Then they both take seven steps

(saptapadi) together

around the fire uttering vows of friendship and

mutual loyalty.

5. Hindu marriage tradition recognizes the

importance of a woman in

the family. She is expected to share the

responsibilities of the

household like a goddess (grihalakshmi) and enjoy

the love and care

of her husband and children.

, Stephanie

Marie

<chotoprajapati> wrote:

> From a broad based philosophical vantage

point, I do understand

the concept of attachment and desire as the bonds

that cause

suffering. In fact, a scholar in my field

once wrote

that "coherence in contradiction marks the

force of desire." And it

does seem to me that we often find ourselves

continually making

sense of the pain and frustrations because of

certain desires that

we have; appetites; attachments.

>

> But also, while our overarching destination

is detachment from all

(liberation from desire and therefore liberation

from pain and

suffering) isn't it also the case that most of us

will not achieve

such a state in our current lifetimes? How

can we be members of

families, partners in relationships, employees and

employers, in

fact members of this Internet group discussion,

without a profound

sense of attachment to ideologies, desires, etc??

>

> The grander more esoteric concepts are

wonderful intellectual fuel

for the spirit. But as you can see, I'm also

asking more pragmatic

questions about living day to day inside a Hindu

family. How do I

draw intersections between these grander issues

and those of more

pragmatic ones like mothering, being a wife/lover,

a best friend, a

daughter, a sister, etc.

>

> In a society, and for that matter a culture,

that places heavy

emphasis on certain types of roles for women.... a

woman is under

tremendous social pressure to perform certain

functions. She often

has no time to pursue these kinds of ideas.

Surely, you all see the

complications that arise here? Might someone

speak to this?

>

> I teach my students high rhetorical

theory. But at the same time,

I provide them with a field of visualization that

puts that theory

into motion, into play in their very real very

messy very

complicated lives. Thus far, much of what

I've read here has been

incredibly helpful and informative. I've

taken lots of notes as

your comments serve as points of departure for me

in my own study.

Yet... I still need to understand how these ideas

fuse with the busy

and sometimes laborious life of a hindu woman

keeping up tradition.

>

> astroneed <astroneed> wrote:

> Dear Sir,

>

> how about Gaj kesari yog in 12th house. What

does that mean ?

> Also does ketu in 12th mean highly

spiritual person.

>

> Regards

>

> ASTRONEED

>

> ,

"sanjaytechnology"

> <sanjaytechnology> wrote:

> > All:

> >

> > We have become one very big family. This

group is very inspiring

> and

> > very learned. Let us keep pointing to

the RIGHT PATH.

> >

> > The 12th house & the spiritual LINK

> > =====================================

> >

> > The 12th house, is not a very easy

house in materialistic

terms;

> > however, there exist hints in ancient

texts that indicate the

> > spiritual significance of the 12th

house! It is a house of

> paramount

> > importance in the horoscopes of

religious figures and ascetics.

> > Confusingly, though, it has also been

vested with attributes and

> > matters such as 'pleasures of the couch'

> >

> > Generally speaking, one's spiritual

growth, also known as the

quest

> > for knowing oneself, gets a kick start in

a major way when one

> > faces 'choices' that pertain to losing

something or someone who

is

> > extremely dear.

> >

> > During most spiritual journeys, a time

comes when one's

attachments

> > and clinging must be challenged and

subsequently shed.

Invariably,

> > experiences at such points in time prove

to be the pivots around

> > which the wheel of spiritual progress

turns! Whether one

actually

> > suffers the loss or merely faces the

possibilities of such, and

the

> > degree of metamorphosis that such an

event or eventuality can

bring

> > within oneself, varies between

individuals, the profundity of

the

> > effect, however, is felt unambiguously.

> >

> > A loss in the materialistic plane could

mean a GAIN in the

> > spiritualistic.

> >

> > Example:

> >

> > Saturn in 12 the points to 2nd which

indicates money loss

through

> > charities is extremely beneficial.

> >

> > 12th in general means overcoming the

materialistic aspects to a

> tilt

> > towards the spiritual. '

> >

> > VENUS in 12th could indicate a battle

that is fought less at the

> > mental level. However I have seen a

VENUS in 12th with KETU for

a

> > Gemini Ascendant. Very interesting

combination. Here VENUS is

in

> > own conjunct with debilitated KETU.

> >

> > ""The sun represents the

individuality and ego (which can

readily

> > become EGO!) and by virtue of being

placed in the 12th house

would

> > signify the lure of EGO, WHICH must be

overcome by the nativity

> > before any real spiritual advancement

can commence. This would

be

> > even more so, should Leo be rising in

the ascendant, thereby

> > imparting the sun with a natural and

temporal or chart-specific

> > focus as during double duty as a

significator of the self and

ego,

> > two keywords that are primarily studied

from the first house!

> Should

> > such a situation (sun in cancer in a Leo

rising nativity) be

> present

> > in a chart where Saturn the epitome of

humbleness rises, the

path

> > towards self-effacement becomes harder

and not easier! The task,

> > signified by the sun in the 12th remains

the same, but the

> > expression and self-perception, thanks

to the Saturn in

ascendant,

> > lulls one into minimizing the extent of

the task! "After all,

how

> > much more humble can one appear",

is what such a nativity feels?

> The

> > mantra for someone with such a

horoscopic signature obviously is

> > to 'become' humble and not merely be

contented with

> > simply "appearing" to be

humble!""

> >

> > Please feel free to respond and ADD.

> >

> > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti.

> >

> > Warm Regards.

> >

> > --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

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SURVIVAL !~

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Any suggestions that you have for reading I would appreciate. Thanks again.

StephanieRenee Serrano <firecracker (AT) maineline (DOT) net> wrote:

You know, coming from Paramhansa Yogananda…..he brought Kriya Yoga to the

‘householder’ as well as the West. It was his utmost belief that one can

attain self realization even if one is a householder or common ‘person’. Here

in the U.S. there are many cultures and many follow traditional roles despite

how we may appear to the rest of the world (as women). I come from a Hispanic

and British background and my

spouse is Hispanic. Women are very subservient in traditional Hispanic

households. Even though I am anything but traditionally subservient, I am very

dovoted and loyal to my spouse and bend in ways that is hard for me to

communicate (as he has multiple health issues). I, too, run a big household

with several children…work full time and so on. It would be unthinkable for

me, however, to ever doubt that I am going to continue on a spiritual and

astrological path despite the fact that I sometimes have no time to pursue it.

I still ‘do’ irregardless and find the time to study just because it is

something important to me….as important as my physical duties in this world.

Just my 2 cents worth. That description of a Hindu marriage and its principles

was absolutely beautiful, Sanjay. Thank you.

Renee

Stephanie Marie

[chotoprajapati ] Sunday, January 18, 2004 2:59 PMTo:

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