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Does anyone in here have a mantra that can be recited and has the

power to influence others ?

 

In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does any mantra serve this

purpose?

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It's not a very good idea to meddle with mantras for

such purposes .. though there are many ...

firstly:

a) We need a guru to tell it to us

b) We need to know the rules that go with the mantra

c) It is not ethical ..

 

I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore these

parameters .. let me know ...

 

 

--- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote:

> Does anyone in here have a mantra that can be

> recited and has the

> power to influence others ?

>

> In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does any

> mantra serve this

> purpose?

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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We have a deal,should ignore parameter,kindly update with the mantra,

Tq

 

, surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> It's not a very good idea to meddle with mantras for

> such purposes .. though there are many ...

> firstly:

> a) We need a guru to tell it to us

> b) We need to know the rules that go with the mantra

> c) It is not ethical ..

>

> I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore these

> parameters .. let me know ...

>

>

> --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote:

> > Does anyone in here have a mantra that can be

> > recited and has the

> > power to influence others ?

> >

> > In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does any

> > mantra serve this

> > purpose?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> The New with improved product search

>

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Folks,

 

I am not sure if this forum is permissible to this ...

hence I am replying to the person in person ...

 

thanks

Surya.

 

--- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote:

> We have a deal,should ignore parameter,kindly update

> with the mantra,

> Tq

>

> , surya

> vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > It's not a very good idea to meddle with mantras

> for

> > such purposes .. though there are many ...

> > firstly:

> > a) We need a guru to tell it to us

> > b) We need to know the rules that go with the

> mantra

> > c) It is not ethical ..

> >

> > I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore these

> > parameters .. let me know ...

> >

> >

> > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote:

> > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that can be

> > > recited and has the

> > > power to influence others ?

> > >

> > > In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does any

> > > mantra serve this

> > > purpose?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The New with improved product

> search

> >

>

>

 

 

 

 

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I am very interested in this subject and belive this

is the right place for it.

 

--- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

wrote:

> Folks,

>

> I am not sure if this forum is permissible to this

> ...

> hence I am replying to the person in person ...

>

> thanks

> Surya.

>

> --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote:

> > We have a deal,should ignore parameter,kindly

> update

> > with the mantra,

> > Tq

> >

> > , surya

> > vishnubhotla

> > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with mantras

> > for

> > > such purposes .. though there are many ...

> > > firstly:

> > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us

> > > b) We need to know the rules that go with the

> > mantra

> > > c) It is not ethical ..

> > >

> > > I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore

> these

> > > parameters .. let me know ...

> > >

> > >

> > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote:

> > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that can be

> > > > recited and has the

> > > > power to influence others ?

> > > >

> > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does any

> > > > mantra serve this

> > > > purpose?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The New with improved product

> > search

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> The New with improved product

> search

>

>

 

 

 

 

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hehe .. maybe I should put all the mails exchanged

between me and raj??

 

tanvir ji .. you take the call !!

 

but a lot of how they work depends on the faith you

place on the system rituals ... I know only the Hindu

processes ...

 

But I have in my course of learning seen a very very

common set of processes in the way these things work

in every religion or culture ....

 

maybe we can discuss ... let's see ... I know .. but I

have never used them ... but I have seen them work in

the past like magic in others lives !!

 

Tanvir ji?? do you know of specific horoscope

combinations where people become the objects of such

processes or become the instruments to do such

processes?

 

--- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

>

> I am very interested in this subject and belive this

> is the right place for it.

>

> --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

> wrote:

> > Folks,

> >

> > I am not sure if this forum is permissible to this

> > ...

> > hence I am replying to the person in person ...

> >

> > thanks

> > Surya.

> >

> > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote:

> > > We have a deal,should ignore parameter,kindly

> > update

> > > with the mantra,

> > > Tq

> > >

> > > , surya

> > > vishnubhotla

> > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with

> mantras

> > > for

> > > > such purposes .. though there are many ...

> > > > firstly:

> > > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us

> > > > b) We need to know the rules that go with the

> > > mantra

> > > > c) It is not ethical ..

> > > >

> > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore

> > these

> > > > parameters .. let me know ...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote:

> > > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that can

> be

> > > > > recited and has the

> > > > > power to influence others ?

> > > > >

> > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does

> any

> > > > > mantra serve this

> > > > > purpose?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The New with improved

> product

> > > search

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The New with improved product

> > search

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> The New with improved product

> search

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Guys this actually needs a lot of theory to be

exchanged if we are talking about mantras !!

let me know if we are getting talking :)

 

This is something i know in fair amount ... astrology

is something I am learning :)

 

 

--- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

>

> I am very interested in this subject and belive this

> is the right place for it.

>

> --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

> wrote:

> > Folks,

> >

> > I am not sure if this forum is permissible to this

> > ...

> > hence I am replying to the person in person ...

> >

> > thanks

> > Surya.

> >

> > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote:

> > > We have a deal,should ignore parameter,kindly

> > update

> > > with the mantra,

> > > Tq

> > >

> > > , surya

> > > vishnubhotla

> > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with

> mantras

> > > for

> > > > such purposes .. though there are many ...

> > > > firstly:

> > > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us

> > > > b) We need to know the rules that go with the

> > > mantra

> > > > c) It is not ethical ..

> > > >

> > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore

> > these

> > > > parameters .. let me know ...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote:

> > > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that can

> be

> > > > > recited and has the

> > > > > power to influence others ?

> > > > >

> > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does

> any

> > > > > mantra serve this

> > > > > purpose?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The New with improved

> product

> > > search

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The New with improved product

> > search

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> The New with improved product

> search

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Surya I would like to respond to the following email

you sent:

 

It's not a very good idea to meddle with mantras for

such purposes .. though there are many ...

 

firstly:

 

a) We need a guru to tell it to us

1 The Guru is the Mantra

2 The Guru resides within you in the form of your

highest ideal.

3 If a no Guru can be found, one may select any

mantra that seems appropiate to fulfill his/her

desires, assuming Lord Shiva as his/her Guru and start

repeating it with faith and devotion everyday.

 

b) We need to know the rules that go with the mantra

1 The only rule that is of importance is to pray to

Lord Ganesha first for success in any rituals.

2 You can always pray in such manner, for God is Love

and He is most compassionate and easy to please: I

know not how to invoke, nor how to worship, nor how to

bid you farewell! Forgive my mistakes, O Parameshvara.

 

b) It is not ethical .

1 In mantra yoga it is always the intent that

matters.

 

 

 

--- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

wrote:

> Guys this actually needs a lot of theory to be

> exchanged if we are talking about mantras !!

> let me know if we are getting talking :)

>

> This is something i know in fair amount ...

> astrology

> is something I am learning :)

>

>

> --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

> >

> > I am very interested in this subject and belive

> this

> > is the right place for it.

> >

> > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

> > wrote:

> > > Folks,

> > >

> > > I am not sure if this forum is permissible to

> this

> > > ...

> > > hence I am replying to the person in person ...

> > >

> > > thanks

> > > Surya.

> > >

> > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote:

> > > > We have a deal,should ignore parameter,kindly

> > > update

> > > > with the mantra,

> > > > Tq

> > > >

> > > > , surya

> > > > vishnubhotla

> > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with

> > mantras

> > > > for

> > > > > such purposes .. though there are many ...

> > > > > firstly:

> > > > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us

> > > > > b) We need to know the rules that go with

> the

> > > > mantra

> > > > > c) It is not ethical ..

> > > > >

> > > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore

> > > these

> > > > > parameters .. let me know ...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that can

> > be

> > > > > > recited and has the

> > > > > > power to influence others ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does

> > any

> > > > > > mantra serve this

> > > > > > purpose?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The New with improved

> > product

> > > > search

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The New with improved product

> > > search

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The New with improved product

> > search

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> The New with improved product

> search

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Hello,

 

Is it ok to address you as Rosa? pls let me know :)

 

It dosent work that way as far as I know ...

 

Why do we need a guru?

Firstly because, a mantra should be imbibed into the

person learning with the Sound(not just text- mantras

are predominantly sound oriented) and the spiritual

energy (that the guru possesses) that goes with the

mantra into the person learning it.

If you argue that the sound can be duplicated by a

audio file, then there is not much I can argue except

for the fact that it's like simulating consciousness

with artificial intelligence ... It's not that the

mantras wont work only it's effectiveness will be

limited by the spiritual growth of the person learning

it ... (there is so much theory I want to share - but

am I getting nod from the moderators??)

 

Apart from all these, there are certain important tips

in doing mantras that only a person experienced in

doing it can help you with ... like what is the dhyana

what is the nyasa, what should be the form of the

godess, what are the different stages in which the

mantra manifests itself during the course of practice,

what is the perfect way to realise the mantra (as in

mantra chaitanyam) etc etc which only a guru can

instruct ... we cant judge our horoscopes by opening a

manual with rules to judge unless we spend years in

learning every nuance of it ... guru is the best short

cut in such cases ...

 

The last reason, is because a mantra instructed by

guru is free of pronounciation errors which is quite

critical in the efficacy with which the mantra works

.....

 

There is another reason for the need of guru, that I

will mention below ...

 

There are 2 kinds of mantras:

a) Those which protect you irrespective of what you do

.... these can be done with or without the instruction

of guru ... some of these mantras have rules to be

followed, for example lakshmi ganapathi, or maha

mrutyunjaya mantra so on so forth ... these are very

powerful but need the instruction of a guru and need a

lot of disciplin on the part of the person doing them

...

Again there are mantras like durga sapta sati which

are very powerful too but dont really need the

instruction of a guru ...

lastly there are sahasranamas which dont have any

rules ... and are positive all the way !!

Whatever you said is fine with these mantras ... here

you are asking the godess to do what is best for you

and you leave the decision in her hand as to the

degree of success you should get ...

 

b) Those that will protect you only as long as you do

the mantra properly, and allow you to fall when you

dont do them properly ...

 

These kind of mantras are the ones which rely on the

fact that Mantra is greater than godess presiding it,

the first step here is to get the godess in your

control !!! ... it is like you are forcing the godess

to do what you want them to do ... not praying that

she do it for you ... so here, the godess is not in

any way inclined to protect you ... but she will do

what you want her to do good, bad, ugly dosent matter

to her ...

but if you make mistakes then the godess will hit you

back !!! ... here again you need a guru to protect you

if you experience reversals !! ...

 

Some of the godesses who are used to specifically

eliminate enemies, overpower women/men etc are very

ugra (angry) forms of godess kali, and they get

displeased with badly performed mantras as much as

they get pleased when done properly ... if they are

pleased it's unsafe for the enemies you are using them

against, if they are dipleased it';s very unsafe for

you :) .. just kidding ...

I have seen people lost in comas when something goes

wrong and there is no way to come back to reality if

someone is not holding you onto it .. that is usually

done by a guru ...

 

Regarding praying ganesha for such mantras ... each of

these godesses have a yantra ... and ganesha usually

figures out in some part of the yantra ... and

although the mantra is usally a one or two liner to be

repeated a certain number of times, all the presiding

dieties of the yantra should be invoked and prayed to

first ...

 

I have seen interesting incidents in my life ....

 

You are right the intent is very important .. but I

dont think no matter how good your intent, using a

mantra to get a woman under your control is far from

ethical ! ... though it's also true that if you really

love the woman and only want to keep her happy then

it's nothing more than using a go between to settle

the deal for you :)

 

I would just like to add one more point here, I really

liked it when you said god is love etc etc ... if you

can believe me ... if you can meditate on the god with

love in yoru heart, you really dont need mantras to

achieve anything good ... this is truth and I have

experienced it in my life ... Mantras are for those

who are not illuminated spiritually ... they are the

grosser ways of achieving what you want ... spiritual

illumination starts when you dont want anything :)

 

Yesterday I made a blanket statement saying "this is

something I know, astrology is something I am

learning" I just meant to say that I can contribute to

discussions of this sort ... I regret if it conved a

air of arrogance as I realised later ... on the

contrary I am humbled by the way gods work for us :)

 

--- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

> Surya I would like to respond to the following email

> you sent:

>

> It's not a very good idea to meddle with mantras for

> such purposes .. though there are many ...

>

> firstly:

>

> a) We need a guru to tell it to us

> 1 The Guru is the Mantra

> 2 The Guru resides within you in the form of your

> highest ideal.

> 3 If a no Guru can be found, one may select any

> mantra that seems appropiate to fulfill his/her

> desires, assuming Lord Shiva as his/her Guru and

> start

> repeating it with faith and devotion everyday.

>

> b) We need to know the rules that go with the mantra

> 1 The only rule that is of importance is to pray to

> Lord Ganesha first for success in any rituals.

> 2 You can always pray in such manner, for God is

> Love

> and He is most compassionate and easy to please: I

> know not how to invoke, nor how to worship, nor how

> to

> bid you farewell! Forgive my mistakes, O

> Parameshvara.

>

> b) It is not ethical .

> 1 In mantra yoga it is always the intent that

> matters.

>

>

>

> --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

> wrote:

> > Guys this actually needs a lot of theory to be

> > exchanged if we are talking about mantras !!

> > let me know if we are getting talking :)

> >

> > This is something i know in fair amount ...

> > astrology

> > is something I am learning :)

> >

> >

> > --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

> > >

> > > I am very interested in this subject and belive

> > this

> > > is the right place for it.

> > >

> > > --- surya vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv

> > > wrote:

> > > > Folks,

> > > >

> > > > I am not sure if this forum is permissible to

> > this

> > > > ...

> > > > hence I am replying to the person in person

> ...

> > > >

> > > > thanks

> > > > Surya.

> > > >

> > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote:

> > > > > We have a deal,should ignore

> parameter,kindly

> > > > update

> > > > > with the mantra,

> > > > > Tq

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> surya

> > > > > vishnubhotla

> > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with

> > > mantras

> > > > > for

> > > > > > such purposes .. though there are many ...

> > > > > > firstly:

> > > > > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us

> > > > > > b) We need to know the rules that go with

> > the

> > > > > mantra

> > > > > > c) It is not ethical ..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to

> ignore

> > > > these

> > > > > > parameters .. let me know ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that

> can

> > > be

> > > > > > > recited and has the

> > > > > > > power to influence others ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love

> spells,does

> > > any

> > > > > > > mantra serve this

> > > > > > > purpose?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The New with improved

> > > product

> > > > > search

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The New with improved

> product

> > > > search

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The New with improved product

> > > search

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The New with improved product

> > search

> >

> >

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>

>

>

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Dear Surya jee,

 

Any mantra to influence others is tamsic I guess, hence should not be practiced.

However as a moderator I have no problem if such topics are discussed here. So

you can go ahead.

 

Without the person's permission you should not put the emails privately

exchanged between you and he.

 

No, I do not know the indications where the person is used in such matters.

 

Namaste,

Tanvir

 

 

 

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Which is mine, is forever mine.

 

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surya vishnubhotla

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:29 PM

Re: Mantra to influence others

 

 

hehe .. maybe I should put all the mails exchanged

between me and raj??

 

tanvir ji .. you take the call !!

 

but a lot of how they work depends on the faith you

place on the system rituals ... I know only the Hindu

processes ...

 

But I have in my course of learning seen a very very

common set of processes in the way these things work

in every religion or culture ....

 

maybe we can discuss ... let's see ... I know .. but I

have never used them ... but I have seen them work in

the past like magic in others lives !!

 

Tanvir ji?? do you know of specific horoscope

combinations where people become the objects of such

processes or become the instruments to do such

processes?

 

--- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

>

> I am very interested in this subject and belive this

> is the right place for it.

>

> --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

> wrote:

> > Folks,

> >

> > I am not sure if this forum is permissible to this

> > ...

> > hence I am replying to the person in person ...

> >

> > thanks

> > Surya.

> >

> > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote:

> > > We have a deal,should ignore parameter,kindly

> > update

> > > with the mantra,

> > > Tq

> > >

> > > , surya

> > > vishnubhotla

> > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with

> mantras

> > > for

> > > > such purposes .. though there are many ...

> > > > firstly:

> > > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us

> > > > b) We need to know the rules that go with the

> > > mantra

> > > > c) It is not ethical ..

> > > >

> > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore

> > these

> > > > parameters .. let me know ...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote:

> > > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that can

> be

> > > > > recited and has the

> > > > > power to influence others ?

> > > > >

> > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does

> any

> > > > > mantra serve this

> > > > > purpose?

 

 

 

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Tanvir ji ... we didnt exchange any personal

information, only I told him a mantra that he wanted

to know about ....

 

I do agree that they are not to be used unless for

enhancing ones own/familes life ...

 

Ok .. I think there are specific combinations that

indicate if black magic is used on us or we use it on

others ... let me see if I can get sepcific example in

the near future ..

 

--- Tanvir <tanvir wrote:

> Dear Surya jee,

>

> Any mantra to influence others is tamsic I guess,

> hence should not be practiced. However as a

> moderator I have no problem if such topics are

> discussed here. So you can go ahead.

>

> Without the person's permission you should not put

> the emails privately exchanged between you and he.

>

> No, I do not know the indications where the person

> is used in such matters.

>

> Namaste,

> Tanvir

>

>

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> Tanvir Chowdhury

> Mail tanvir

> Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir

> Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro

> Jyotish discussion

>

>

> -

> surya vishnubhotla

>

> Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:29 PM

> Re: Mantra to influence others

>

>

> hehe .. maybe I should put all the mails exchanged

> between me and raj??

>

> tanvir ji .. you take the call !!

>

> but a lot of how they work depends on the faith

> you

> place on the system rituals ... I know only the

> Hindu

> processes ...

>

> But I have in my course of learning seen a very

> very

> common set of processes in the way these things

> work

> in every religion or culture ....

>

> maybe we can discuss ... let's see ... I know ..

> but I

> have never used them ... but I have seen them work

> in

> the past like magic in others lives !!

>

> Tanvir ji?? do you know of specific horoscope

> combinations where people become the objects of

> such

> processes or become the instruments to do such

> processes?

>

> --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

> >

> > I am very interested in this subject and belive

> this

> > is the right place for it.

> >

> > --- surya vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv

> > wrote:

> > > Folks,

> > >

> > > I am not sure if this forum is permissible to

> this

> > > ...

> > > hence I am replying to the person in person

> ...

> > >

> > > thanks

> > > Surya.

> > >

> > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote:

> > > > We have a deal,should ignore

> parameter,kindly

> > > update

> > > > with the mantra,

> > > > Tq

> > > >

> > > > ,

> surya

> > > > vishnubhotla

> > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with

> > mantras

> > > > for

> > > > > such purposes .. though there are many ...

> > > > > firstly:

> > > > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us

> > > > > b) We need to know the rules that go with

> the

> > > > mantra

> > > > > c) It is not ethical ..

> > > > >

> > > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to

> ignore

> > > these

> > > > > parameters .. let me know ...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that

> can

> > be

> > > > > > recited and has the

> > > > > > power to influence others ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love

> spells,does

> > any

> > > > > > mantra serve this

> > > > > > purpose?

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

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~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

 

Though there are some Vashikaran Mantras available and

some love spells too. I do have a love spell that one

can use on others.

 

But there is a *sign of warning* too. These all comes

under Tamsik (say bad) category and they have side

effect (negative) too. If wrongly intended or used for

wrong purpose, it will backfire on you and thus

creating more problems and pains for you.

 

I know this, because I did some occult studies in

past. But I strongly recommend not to use any of

these, due to thier tamsik nature.

 

Sincere Regards,

 

Neeraj Gupta

--- Tanvir <tanvir wrote:

> Dear Surya jee,

>

> Any mantra to influence others is tamsic I guess,

> hence should not be practiced. However as a

> moderator I have no problem if such topics are

> discussed here. So you can go ahead.

>

> Without the person's permission you should not put

> the emails privately exchanged between you and he.

>

> No, I do not know the indications where the person

> is used in such matters.

>

> Namaste,

> Tanvir

>

>

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> Tanvir Chowdhury

> Mail tanvir

> Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir

> Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro

> Jyotish discussion

>

>

> -

> surya vishnubhotla

>

> Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:29 PM

> Re: Mantra to influence others

>

>

> hehe .. maybe I should put all the mails exchanged

> between me and raj??

>

> tanvir ji .. you take the call !!

>

> but a lot of how they work depends on the faith

> you

> place on the system rituals ... I know only the

> Hindu

> processes ...

>

> But I have in my course of learning seen a very

> very

> common set of processes in the way these things

> work

> in every religion or culture ....

>

> maybe we can discuss ... let's see ... I know ..

> but I

> have never used them ... but I have seen them work

> in

> the past like magic in others lives !!

>

> Tanvir ji?? do you know of specific horoscope

> combinations where people become the objects of

> such

> processes or become the instruments to do such

> processes?

>

> --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

> >

> > I am very interested in this subject and belive

> this

> > is the right place for it.

> >

> > --- surya vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv

> > wrote:

> > > Folks,

> > >

> > > I am not sure if this forum is permissible to

> this

> > > ...

> > > hence I am replying to the person in person

> ...

> > >

> > > thanks

> > > Surya.

> > >

> > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote:

> > > > We have a deal,should ignore

> parameter,kindly

> > > update

> > > > with the mantra,

> > > > Tq

> > > >

> > > > ,

> surya

> > > > vishnubhotla

> > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with

> > mantras

> > > > for

> > > > > such purposes .. though there are many ...

> > > > > firstly:

> > > > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us

> > > > > b) We need to know the rules that go with

> the

> > > > mantra

> > > > > c) It is not ethical ..

> > > > >

> > > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to

> ignore

> > > these

> > > > > parameters .. let me know ...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote:

> > > > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that

> can

> > be

> > > > > > recited and has the

> > > > > > power to influence others ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love

> spells,does

> > any

> > > > > > mantra serve this

> > > > > > purpose?

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

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Do you have any personal / direct experience how they work and what is the

effect if they fire back? Just curious...

 

Namaste,

Tanvir

 

 

 

What can not happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

 

Tanvir Chowdhury

Mail tanvir

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-

Neeraj Gupta

Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:32 PM

Re: Mantra to influence others

 

 

~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

 

Though there are some Vashikaran Mantras available and

some love spells too. I do have a love spell that one

can use on others.

 

But there is a *sign of warning* too. These all comes

under Tamsik (say bad) category and they have side

effect (negative) too. If wrongly intended or used for

wrong purpose, it will backfire on you and thus

creating more problems and pains for you.

 

I know this, because I did some occult studies in

past. But I strongly recommend not to use any of

these, due to thier tamsik nature.

 

Sincere Regards,

 

Neeraj Gupta

 

 

 

 

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Dear Tanvir,

 

I don't had any personal experience or direct

experience, but I had some literature over this. The

most important ingredient in any Love Spell is one's

*true feelings and love for other*. If this is not

right (like some people confuse lust for love), it

will backfire.

 

I don't know the exact working of the love spell, but

whatever I know I am sharing. It starts from your

mind, the energy infused within you and your thoughts.

The more powerful your thoughts, your feelings are,

the better it works. It is basically sending some

waves or messages (when you are working on love spell)

into the universe for some person.

 

It's also like a wish of GOD, like if you don't use it

properly or you use it on wrong person, it will

backfire means that the energy you have sent into the

universe for positive thing (the one using spell

thinks he is doing good), but in reality he is trying

to hurt or create problems for another, or he made

some mistake in spell, this energy that was sent in

universe, comes and hit back with thrice the force.

say for e.g. he may have some relationship problems,

or be alone, like he used for the purpose of heart

(improving relationship), the matter will become more

worsen.

 

This is all a different thought of school, wiccan

magic, voodoo, witchcraft etc. They generally use

natural products (some herbs, oils etc) and infuse the

energy of nature with their energy of mind. There are

some groups on on this too and you can find

masters of spells there, just here on some groups we

have gurus for Vedic Astrology. This is also a

science, that works on different plane.

 

But now, I think (it's my personal belief) that

sticking to saatwic practices is best, the results may

come slow, but it slowly improves your life, whereas

in Spells, the result is within a short time, but the

effect lasts for only a short period. You can find one

article ( a case study ) on this topic by Respected

Guru Sanjay Rath ji in his book VRA in which one lady

used the black magic, but ultimately problems

intensified for her.

 

with warm regards,

 

Neeraj Gupta

--- Tanvir <tanvir wrote:

> Do you have any personal / direct experience how

> they work and what is the effect if they fire back?

> Just curious...

>

> Namaste,

> Tanvir

>

>

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> Tanvir Chowdhury

> Mail tanvir

> Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir

> Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro

> Jyotish discussion

>

>

> -

> Neeraj Gupta

>

> Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:32 PM

> Re: Mantra to influence others

>

>

> ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

>

> Though there are some Vashikaran Mantras available

> and

> some love spells too. I do have a love spell that

> one

> can use on others.

>

> But there is a *sign of warning* too. These all

> comes

> under Tamsik (say bad) category and they have side

> effect (negative) too. If wrongly intended or used

> for

> wrong purpose, it will backfire on you and thus

> creating more problems and pains for you.

>

> I know this, because I did some occult studies in

> past. But I strongly recommend not to use any of

> these, due to thier tamsik nature.

>

> Sincere Regards,

>

> Neeraj Gupta

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

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Thank you for getting back with me. I guess I don't want to force myself on

somebody if they don't want me. I guess I'm looking for a sign that says he's

the one.

 

I don't think it's even lust that we have each other but compatiability.

Especially, when I have never met him. This is something embarrassing to

confess. Cuz, I met him on line.

 

I know he likes be too, but things have changed. Probably, because we live so

far away from each other. So, things have changed now and he's not very

responsive. So, that's the story, no lust going on.

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Dear friend,

 

It's almost impossible as I know for you use the

mantras that I know (pronounciations will be really

tuff )

 

But let me tell you how these things work in the first

place:

 

a) Usually you need some representation of the person

you are trying to attract - nails, hair, photo or

simply the name.

 

b) You need to take the help of a diety to help you

quicken the process of attraction.

Here the following things are important:

 

 

c) You need

 

--- jacquiec111 wrote:

> Thank you for getting back with me. I guess I don't

> want to force myself on somebody if they don't want

> me. I guess I'm looking for a sign that says he's

> the one.

>

> I don't think it's even lust that we have each other

> but compatiability. Especially, when I have never

> met him. This is something embarrassing to confess.

> Cuz, I met him on line.

>

> I know he likes be too, but things have changed.

> Probably, because we live so far away from each

> other. So, things have changed now and he's not

> very responsive. So, that's the story, no lust

> going on.

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear friend,

 

It's almost impossible as I know for you use the

mantras that I know (pronounciations will be really

tuff for you if you dont know some sanskrit)

 

But let me tell you how these things work in the first

place:

 

a) Usually you need some representation of the person

you are trying to attract - nails, hair, photo or

simply the name or a mental image for.

 

b) You need to take the help of a diety to help you

quicken the process of attraction.

Here the following things are important:

- The color of the diety (because the color of

the diety/her dress stands for the kind of desire you

have)

- To know about the diety herself because it aids

in imagining the godess as she is ... and praying her

- A yantra, idol of the diety (not necessary if

you are doing mental worship) (if you have a yantra

you need to worship all the godesses in the different

parts of the yantra)

 

c) You need a mantra that needs to be repeated

continuously. - Each mantra stands for a specific

frequency and has a specific purpose ... the lower the

diety in the order of godess the more number of

repititions that are required ...

 

d) Some mantras have a base mantras that needs to be

first used to invoke the diety first.

 

e) Most mantras describe the place and the articles

you need to pray to the godess (some mantras ask you

to be in graveyard with dead bodies around you because

it makes you beyond good or bad and hence makes it

easier to invoke the diety) ... The idea is that to

satisfy material wants, you need to sacrifice material

possessions ... because nothing comes from nothing ...

this is a costly affair ...

 

there is however some respite here ... there is

something called manasika japa (or mental recitation)

where you picture the godess and give her offerings

mentally along with chanting her mantra after invoking

her ... for this you need to be very imaginative and

you need to be pure at heart ... this is actually more

powerful than physical offerings given .. but alas the

moment we close eyes we have no images coming into our

head !!

 

Theory says that all mantras should not be done as you

want to ... there is a specific disciplin described to

perform them ,... however some mantras belong to

godesses who are specifically meant for people with no

spiritual development ... these mantras can be done

anytime ....

 

Theory also says that ugra (fierce) dieties respond

quicker - but also hit back harder if they are

displeased ...

 

this is a part of mantra story ... maybe I will tell

more later ...

 

However here comes the anti climax -

a) God is formless ...

b) The forms we attribute are sometimes seen as the

limitations of our own minds ..

c) It's believed that the dieties with forms come from

the formless god and are guided by the formless

absolute god...

 

If somehow we can attain this formless god in our

heart (not the physical heart ) then a simple thought

released into the astral world is enuff to enforce the

manifestation of that thought ...

sadly people who attain this formless god wont have

any desires !!!

 

More later ...

Surya.

 

--- jacquiec111 wrote:

> Thank you for getting back with me. I guess I don't

> want to force myself on somebody if they don't want

> me. I guess I'm looking for a sign that says he's

> the one.

>

> I don't think it's even lust that we have each other

> but compatiability. Especially, when I have never

> met him. This is something embarrassing to confess.

> Cuz, I met him on line.

>

> I know he likes be too, but things have changed.

> Probably, because we live so far away from each

> other. So, things have changed now and he's not

> very responsive. So, that's the story, no lust

> going on.

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Surya-ji,

 

Thank you for a well thought-out response. It was

beautifully written and "very open-minded." Since

there is allot of Theory on Mantra Japa and the

various Mantras. I would like to propose and email

titled Mantra Theory where we can share our ideas, and

desires on Mantras. We are all seeking for happiness

in which-evef form or matter.

 

Also I would think that Mantra Japa would be

applicable to Vedic Astrology since there is a Mantra

for each planet. In my case I am more interested in

the Theory part.

 

Hopefully if we can all keep an open mind to the

various ideas we can surely learn from each other.

 

Sincerely,

 

Jose

 

 

 

--- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

wrote:

> Dear friend,

>

> It's almost impossible as I know for you use the

> mantras that I know (pronounciations will be really

> tuff for you if you dont know some sanskrit)

>

> But let me tell you how these things work in the

> first

> place:

>

> a) Usually you need some representation of the

> person

> you are trying to attract - nails, hair, photo or

> simply the name or a mental image for.

>

> b) You need to take the help of a diety to help you

> quicken the process of attraction.

> Here the following things are important:

> - The color of the diety (because the color of

> the diety/her dress stands for the kind of desire

> you

> have)

> - To know about the diety herself because it

> aids

> in imagining the godess as she is ... and praying

> her

> - A yantra, idol of the diety (not necessary if

> you are doing mental worship) (if you have a yantra

> you need to worship all the godesses in the

> different

> parts of the yantra)

>

> c) You need a mantra that needs to be repeated

> continuously. - Each mantra stands for a specific

> frequency and has a specific purpose ... the lower

> the

> diety in the order of godess the more number of

> repititions that are required ...

>

> d) Some mantras have a base mantras that needs to be

> first used to invoke the diety first.

>

> e) Most mantras describe the place and the articles

> you need to pray to the godess (some mantras ask you

> to be in graveyard with dead bodies around you

> because

> it makes you beyond good or bad and hence makes it

> easier to invoke the diety) ... The idea is that to

> satisfy material wants, you need to sacrifice

> material

> possessions ... because nothing comes from nothing

> ...

> this is a costly affair ...

>

> there is however some respite here ... there is

> something called manasika japa (or mental

> recitation)

> where you picture the godess and give her offerings

> mentally along with chanting her mantra after

> invoking

> her ... for this you need to be very imaginative and

> you need to be pure at heart ... this is actually

> more

> powerful than physical offerings given .. but alas

> the

> moment we close eyes we have no images coming into

> our

> head !!

>

> Theory says that all mantras should not be done as

> you

> want to ... there is a specific disciplin described

> to

> perform them ,... however some mantras belong to

> godesses who are specifically meant for people with

> no

> spiritual development ... these mantras can be done

> anytime ....

>

> Theory also says that ugra (fierce) dieties respond

> quicker - but also hit back harder if they are

> displeased ...

>

> this is a part of mantra story ... maybe I will tell

> more later ...

>

> However here comes the anti climax -

> a) God is formless ...

> b) The forms we attribute are sometimes seen as the

> limitations of our own minds ..

> c) It's believed that the dieties with forms come

> from

> the formless god and are guided by the formless

> absolute god...

>

> If somehow we can attain this formless god in our

> heart (not the physical heart ) then a simple

> thought

> released into the astral world is enuff to enforce

> the

> manifestation of that thought ...

> sadly people who attain this formless god wont have

> any desires !!!

>

> More later ...

> Surya.

>

> --- jacquiec111 wrote:

> > Thank you for getting back with me. I guess I

> don't

> > want to force myself on somebody if they don't

> want

> > me. I guess I'm looking for a sign that says he's

> > the one.

> >

> > I don't think it's even lust that we have each

> other

> > but compatiability. Especially, when I have never

> > met him. This is something embarrassing to

> confess.

> > Cuz, I met him on line.

> >

> > I know he likes be too, but things have changed.

> > Probably, because we live so far away from each

> > other. So, things have changed now and he's not

> > very responsive. So, that's the story, no lust

> > going on.

> >

>

>

>

>

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Hello,

 

I am open to the idea ... there is so much to share !!

 

However in a little time :)

 

--- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

> Dear Surya-ji,

>

> Thank you for a well thought-out response. It was

> beautifully written and "very open-minded." Since

> there is allot of Theory on Mantra Japa and the

> various Mantras. I would like to propose and email

> titled Mantra Theory where we can share our ideas,

> and

> desires on Mantras. We are all seeking for happiness

> in which-evef form or matter.

>

> Also I would think that Mantra Japa would be

> applicable to Vedic Astrology since there is a

> Mantra

> for each planet. In my case I am more interested in

> the Theory part.

>

> Hopefully if we can all keep an open mind to the

> various ideas we can surely learn from each other.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Jose

>

>

>

> --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

> wrote:

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > It's almost impossible as I know for you use the

> > mantras that I know (pronounciations will be

> really

> > tuff for you if you dont know some sanskrit)

> >

> > But let me tell you how these things work in the

> > first

> > place:

> >

> > a) Usually you need some representation of the

> > person

> > you are trying to attract - nails, hair, photo or

> > simply the name or a mental image for.

> >

> > b) You need to take the help of a diety to help

> you

> > quicken the process of attraction.

> > Here the following things are important:

> > - The color of the diety (because the color

> of

> > the diety/her dress stands for the kind of desire

> > you

> > have)

> > - To know about the diety herself because it

> > aids

> > in imagining the godess as she is ... and praying

> > her

> > - A yantra, idol of the diety (not necessary

> if

> > you are doing mental worship) (if you have a

> yantra

> > you need to worship all the godesses in the

> > different

> > parts of the yantra)

> >

> > c) You need a mantra that needs to be repeated

> > continuously. - Each mantra stands for a specific

> > frequency and has a specific purpose ... the lower

> > the

> > diety in the order of godess the more number of

> > repititions that are required ...

> >

> > d) Some mantras have a base mantras that needs to

> be

> > first used to invoke the diety first.

> >

> > e) Most mantras describe the place and the

> articles

> > you need to pray to the godess (some mantras ask

> you

> > to be in graveyard with dead bodies around you

> > because

> > it makes you beyond good or bad and hence makes it

> > easier to invoke the diety) ... The idea is that

> to

> > satisfy material wants, you need to sacrifice

> > material

> > possessions ... because nothing comes from nothing

> > ...

> > this is a costly affair ...

> >

> > there is however some respite here ... there is

> > something called manasika japa (or mental

> > recitation)

> > where you picture the godess and give her

> offerings

> > mentally along with chanting her mantra after

> > invoking

> > her ... for this you need to be very imaginative

> and

> > you need to be pure at heart ... this is actually

> > more

> > powerful than physical offerings given .. but alas

> > the

> > moment we close eyes we have no images coming into

> > our

> > head !!

> >

> > Theory says that all mantras should not be done as

> > you

> > want to ... there is a specific disciplin

> described

> > to

> > perform them ,... however some mantras belong to

> > godesses who are specifically meant for people

> with

> > no

> > spiritual development ... these mantras can be

> done

> > anytime ....

> >

> > Theory also says that ugra (fierce) dieties

> respond

> > quicker - but also hit back harder if they are

> > displeased ...

> >

> > this is a part of mantra story ... maybe I will

> tell

> > more later ...

> >

> > However here comes the anti climax -

> > a) God is formless ...

> > b) The forms we attribute are sometimes seen as

> the

> > limitations of our own minds ..

> > c) It's believed that the dieties with forms come

> > from

> > the formless god and are guided by the formless

> > absolute god...

> >

> > If somehow we can attain this formless god in our

> > heart (not the physical heart ) then a simple

> > thought

> > released into the astral world is enuff to enforce

> > the

> > manifestation of that thought ...

> > sadly people who attain this formless god wont

> have

> > any desires !!!

> >

> > More later ...

> > Surya.

> >

> > --- jacquiec111 wrote:

> > > Thank you for getting back with me. I guess I

> > don't

> > > want to force myself on somebody if they don't

> > want

> > > me. I guess I'm looking for a sign that says

> he's

> > > the one.

> > >

> > > I don't think it's even lust that we have each

> > other

> > > but compatiability. Especially, when I have

> never

> > > met him. This is something embarrassing to

> > confess.

> > > Cuz, I met him on line.

> > >

> > > I know he likes be too, but things have changed.

>

> > > Probably, because we live so far away from each

> > > other. So, things have changed now and he's not

> > > very responsive. So, that's the story, no lust

> > > going on.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> > search

> >

> >

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