Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Does anyone in here have a mantra that can be recited and has the power to influence others ? In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does any mantra serve this purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 It's not a very good idea to meddle with mantras for such purposes .. though there are many ... firstly: a) We need a guru to tell it to us b) We need to know the rules that go with the mantra c) It is not ethical .. I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore these parameters .. let me know ... --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote: > Does anyone in here have a mantra that can be > recited and has the > power to influence others ? > > In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does any > mantra serve this > purpose? > > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 We have a deal,should ignore parameter,kindly update with the mantra, Tq , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > It's not a very good idea to meddle with mantras for > such purposes .. though there are many ... > firstly: > a) We need a guru to tell it to us > b) We need to know the rules that go with the mantra > c) It is not ethical .. > > I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore these > parameters .. let me know ... > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote: > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that can be > > recited and has the > > power to influence others ? > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does any > > mantra serve this > > purpose? > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product search > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Folks, I am not sure if this forum is permissible to this ... hence I am replying to the person in person ... thanks Surya. --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote: > We have a deal,should ignore parameter,kindly update > with the mantra, > Tq > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with mantras > for > > such purposes .. though there are many ... > > firstly: > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us > > b) We need to know the rules that go with the > mantra > > c) It is not ethical .. > > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore these > > parameters .. let me know ... > > > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote: > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that can be > > > recited and has the > > > power to influence others ? > > > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does any > > > mantra serve this > > > purpose? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product > search > > > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 I am very interested in this subject and belive this is the right place for it. --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > Folks, > > I am not sure if this forum is permissible to this > ... > hence I am replying to the person in person ... > > thanks > Surya. > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote: > > We have a deal,should ignore parameter,kindly > update > > with the mantra, > > Tq > > > > , surya > > vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with mantras > > for > > > such purposes .. though there are many ... > > > firstly: > > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us > > > b) We need to know the rules that go with the > > mantra > > > c) It is not ethical .. > > > > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore > these > > > parameters .. let me know ... > > > > > > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote: > > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that can be > > > > recited and has the > > > > power to influence others ? > > > > > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does any > > > > mantra serve this > > > > purpose? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product > > search > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product > search > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 hehe .. maybe I should put all the mails exchanged between me and raj?? tanvir ji .. you take the call !! but a lot of how they work depends on the faith you place on the system rituals ... I know only the Hindu processes ... But I have in my course of learning seen a very very common set of processes in the way these things work in every religion or culture .... maybe we can discuss ... let's see ... I know .. but I have never used them ... but I have seen them work in the past like magic in others lives !! Tanvir ji?? do you know of specific horoscope combinations where people become the objects of such processes or become the instruments to do such processes? --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > > I am very interested in this subject and belive this > is the right place for it. > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote: > > Folks, > > > > I am not sure if this forum is permissible to this > > ... > > hence I am replying to the person in person ... > > > > thanks > > Surya. > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote: > > > We have a deal,should ignore parameter,kindly > > update > > > with the mantra, > > > Tq > > > > > > , surya > > > vishnubhotla > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with > mantras > > > for > > > > such purposes .. though there are many ... > > > > firstly: > > > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us > > > > b) We need to know the rules that go with the > > > mantra > > > > c) It is not ethical .. > > > > > > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore > > these > > > > parameters .. let me know ... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote: > > > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that can > be > > > > > recited and has the > > > > > power to influence others ? > > > > > > > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does > any > > > > > mantra serve this > > > > > purpose? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved > product > > > search > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product > > search > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product > search > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Guys this actually needs a lot of theory to be exchanged if we are talking about mantras !! let me know if we are getting talking This is something i know in fair amount ... astrology is something I am learning --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > > I am very interested in this subject and belive this > is the right place for it. > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote: > > Folks, > > > > I am not sure if this forum is permissible to this > > ... > > hence I am replying to the person in person ... > > > > thanks > > Surya. > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote: > > > We have a deal,should ignore parameter,kindly > > update > > > with the mantra, > > > Tq > > > > > > , surya > > > vishnubhotla > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with > mantras > > > for > > > > such purposes .. though there are many ... > > > > firstly: > > > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us > > > > b) We need to know the rules that go with the > > > mantra > > > > c) It is not ethical .. > > > > > > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore > > these > > > > parameters .. let me know ... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote: > > > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that can > be > > > > > recited and has the > > > > > power to influence others ? > > > > > > > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does > any > > > > > mantra serve this > > > > > purpose? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved > product > > > search > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product > > search > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product > search > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Surya I would like to respond to the following email you sent: It's not a very good idea to meddle with mantras for such purposes .. though there are many ... firstly: a) We need a guru to tell it to us 1 The Guru is the Mantra 2 The Guru resides within you in the form of your highest ideal. 3 If a no Guru can be found, one may select any mantra that seems appropiate to fulfill his/her desires, assuming Lord Shiva as his/her Guru and start repeating it with faith and devotion everyday. b) We need to know the rules that go with the mantra 1 The only rule that is of importance is to pray to Lord Ganesha first for success in any rituals. 2 You can always pray in such manner, for God is Love and He is most compassionate and easy to please: I know not how to invoke, nor how to worship, nor how to bid you farewell! Forgive my mistakes, O Parameshvara. b) It is not ethical . 1 In mantra yoga it is always the intent that matters. --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > Guys this actually needs a lot of theory to be > exchanged if we are talking about mantras !! > let me know if we are getting talking > > This is something i know in fair amount ... > astrology > is something I am learning > > > --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > > > > I am very interested in this subject and belive > this > > is the right place for it. > > > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > > wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > > > I am not sure if this forum is permissible to > this > > > ... > > > hence I am replying to the person in person ... > > > > > > thanks > > > Surya. > > > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote: > > > > We have a deal,should ignore parameter,kindly > > > update > > > > with the mantra, > > > > Tq > > > > > > > > , surya > > > > vishnubhotla > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with > > mantras > > > > for > > > > > such purposes .. though there are many ... > > > > > firstly: > > > > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us > > > > > b) We need to know the rules that go with > the > > > > mantra > > > > > c) It is not ethical .. > > > > > > > > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore > > > these > > > > > parameters .. let me know ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that can > > be > > > > > > recited and has the > > > > > > power to influence others ? > > > > > > > > > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does > > any > > > > > > mantra serve this > > > > > > purpose? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved > > product > > > > search > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product > > > search > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product > > search > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product > search > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 Hello, Is it ok to address you as Rosa? pls let me know It dosent work that way as far as I know ... Why do we need a guru? Firstly because, a mantra should be imbibed into the person learning with the Sound(not just text- mantras are predominantly sound oriented) and the spiritual energy (that the guru possesses) that goes with the mantra into the person learning it. If you argue that the sound can be duplicated by a audio file, then there is not much I can argue except for the fact that it's like simulating consciousness with artificial intelligence ... It's not that the mantras wont work only it's effectiveness will be limited by the spiritual growth of the person learning it ... (there is so much theory I want to share - but am I getting nod from the moderators??) Apart from all these, there are certain important tips in doing mantras that only a person experienced in doing it can help you with ... like what is the dhyana what is the nyasa, what should be the form of the godess, what are the different stages in which the mantra manifests itself during the course of practice, what is the perfect way to realise the mantra (as in mantra chaitanyam) etc etc which only a guru can instruct ... we cant judge our horoscopes by opening a manual with rules to judge unless we spend years in learning every nuance of it ... guru is the best short cut in such cases ... The last reason, is because a mantra instructed by guru is free of pronounciation errors which is quite critical in the efficacy with which the mantra works ..... There is another reason for the need of guru, that I will mention below ... There are 2 kinds of mantras: a) Those which protect you irrespective of what you do .... these can be done with or without the instruction of guru ... some of these mantras have rules to be followed, for example lakshmi ganapathi, or maha mrutyunjaya mantra so on so forth ... these are very powerful but need the instruction of a guru and need a lot of disciplin on the part of the person doing them ... Again there are mantras like durga sapta sati which are very powerful too but dont really need the instruction of a guru ... lastly there are sahasranamas which dont have any rules ... and are positive all the way !! Whatever you said is fine with these mantras ... here you are asking the godess to do what is best for you and you leave the decision in her hand as to the degree of success you should get ... b) Those that will protect you only as long as you do the mantra properly, and allow you to fall when you dont do them properly ... These kind of mantras are the ones which rely on the fact that Mantra is greater than godess presiding it, the first step here is to get the godess in your control !!! ... it is like you are forcing the godess to do what you want them to do ... not praying that she do it for you ... so here, the godess is not in any way inclined to protect you ... but she will do what you want her to do good, bad, ugly dosent matter to her ... but if you make mistakes then the godess will hit you back !!! ... here again you need a guru to protect you if you experience reversals !! ... Some of the godesses who are used to specifically eliminate enemies, overpower women/men etc are very ugra (angry) forms of godess kali, and they get displeased with badly performed mantras as much as they get pleased when done properly ... if they are pleased it's unsafe for the enemies you are using them against, if they are dipleased it';s very unsafe for you .. just kidding ... I have seen people lost in comas when something goes wrong and there is no way to come back to reality if someone is not holding you onto it .. that is usually done by a guru ... Regarding praying ganesha for such mantras ... each of these godesses have a yantra ... and ganesha usually figures out in some part of the yantra ... and although the mantra is usally a one or two liner to be repeated a certain number of times, all the presiding dieties of the yantra should be invoked and prayed to first ... I have seen interesting incidents in my life .... You are right the intent is very important .. but I dont think no matter how good your intent, using a mantra to get a woman under your control is far from ethical ! ... though it's also true that if you really love the woman and only want to keep her happy then it's nothing more than using a go between to settle the deal for you I would just like to add one more point here, I really liked it when you said god is love etc etc ... if you can believe me ... if you can meditate on the god with love in yoru heart, you really dont need mantras to achieve anything good ... this is truth and I have experienced it in my life ... Mantras are for those who are not illuminated spiritually ... they are the grosser ways of achieving what you want ... spiritual illumination starts when you dont want anything Yesterday I made a blanket statement saying "this is something I know, astrology is something I am learning" I just meant to say that I can contribute to discussions of this sort ... I regret if it conved a air of arrogance as I realised later ... on the contrary I am humbled by the way gods work for us --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > Surya I would like to respond to the following email > you sent: > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with mantras for > such purposes .. though there are many ... > > firstly: > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us > 1 The Guru is the Mantra > 2 The Guru resides within you in the form of your > highest ideal. > 3 If a no Guru can be found, one may select any > mantra that seems appropiate to fulfill his/her > desires, assuming Lord Shiva as his/her Guru and > start > repeating it with faith and devotion everyday. > > b) We need to know the rules that go with the mantra > 1 The only rule that is of importance is to pray to > Lord Ganesha first for success in any rituals. > 2 You can always pray in such manner, for God is > Love > and He is most compassionate and easy to please: I > know not how to invoke, nor how to worship, nor how > to > bid you farewell! Forgive my mistakes, O > Parameshvara. > > b) It is not ethical . > 1 In mantra yoga it is always the intent that > matters. > > > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote: > > Guys this actually needs a lot of theory to be > > exchanged if we are talking about mantras !! > > let me know if we are getting talking > > > > This is something i know in fair amount ... > > astrology > > is something I am learning > > > > > > --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > > > > > > I am very interested in this subject and belive > > this > > > is the right place for it. > > > > > > --- surya vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv > > > wrote: > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > I am not sure if this forum is permissible to > > this > > > > ... > > > > hence I am replying to the person in person > ... > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > Surya. > > > > > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote: > > > > > We have a deal,should ignore > parameter,kindly > > > > update > > > > > with the mantra, > > > > > Tq > > > > > > > > > > , > surya > > > > > vishnubhotla > > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with > > > mantras > > > > > for > > > > > > such purposes .. though there are many ... > > > > > > firstly: > > > > > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us > > > > > > b) We need to know the rules that go with > > the > > > > > mantra > > > > > > c) It is not ethical .. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to > ignore > > > > these > > > > > > parameters .. let me know ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that > can > > > be > > > > > > > recited and has the > > > > > > > power to influence others ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love > spells,does > > > any > > > > > > > mantra serve this > > > > > > > purpose? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved > > > product > > > > > search > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved > product > > > > search > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product > > > search > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product > > search > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product > search > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 Dear Surya jee, Any mantra to influence others is tamsic I guess, hence should not be practiced. However as a moderator I have no problem if such topics are discussed here. So you can go ahead. Without the person's permission you should not put the emails privately exchanged between you and he. No, I do not know the indications where the person is used in such matters. Namaste, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - surya vishnubhotla Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:29 PM Re: Mantra to influence others hehe .. maybe I should put all the mails exchanged between me and raj?? tanvir ji .. you take the call !! but a lot of how they work depends on the faith you place on the system rituals ... I know only the Hindu processes ... But I have in my course of learning seen a very very common set of processes in the way these things work in every religion or culture .... maybe we can discuss ... let's see ... I know .. but I have never used them ... but I have seen them work in the past like magic in others lives !! Tanvir ji?? do you know of specific horoscope combinations where people become the objects of such processes or become the instruments to do such processes? --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > > I am very interested in this subject and belive this > is the right place for it. > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote: > > Folks, > > > > I am not sure if this forum is permissible to this > > ... > > hence I am replying to the person in person ... > > > > thanks > > Surya. > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote: > > > We have a deal,should ignore parameter,kindly > > update > > > with the mantra, > > > Tq > > > > > > , surya > > > vishnubhotla > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with > mantras > > > for > > > > such purposes .. though there are many ... > > > > firstly: > > > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us > > > > b) We need to know the rules that go with the > > > mantra > > > > c) It is not ethical .. > > > > > > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to ignore > > these > > > > parameters .. let me know ... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote: > > > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that can > be > > > > > recited and has the > > > > > power to influence others ? > > > > > > > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love spells,does > any > > > > > mantra serve this > > > > > purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 Tanvir ji ... we didnt exchange any personal information, only I told him a mantra that he wanted to know about .... I do agree that they are not to be used unless for enhancing ones own/familes life ... Ok .. I think there are specific combinations that indicate if black magic is used on us or we use it on others ... let me see if I can get sepcific example in the near future .. --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > Dear Surya jee, > > Any mantra to influence others is tamsic I guess, > hence should not be practiced. However as a > moderator I have no problem if such topics are > discussed here. So you can go ahead. > > Without the person's permission you should not put > the emails privately exchanged between you and he. > > No, I do not know the indications where the person > is used in such matters. > > Namaste, > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > Mail tanvir > Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > Jyotish discussion > > > - > surya vishnubhotla > > Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:29 PM > Re: Mantra to influence others > > > hehe .. maybe I should put all the mails exchanged > between me and raj?? > > tanvir ji .. you take the call !! > > but a lot of how they work depends on the faith > you > place on the system rituals ... I know only the > Hindu > processes ... > > But I have in my course of learning seen a very > very > common set of processes in the way these things > work > in every religion or culture .... > > maybe we can discuss ... let's see ... I know .. > but I > have never used them ... but I have seen them work > in > the past like magic in others lives !! > > Tanvir ji?? do you know of specific horoscope > combinations where people become the objects of > such > processes or become the instruments to do such > processes? > > --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > > > > I am very interested in this subject and belive > this > > is the right place for it. > > > > --- surya vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv > > wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > > > I am not sure if this forum is permissible to > this > > > ... > > > hence I am replying to the person in person > ... > > > > > > thanks > > > Surya. > > > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote: > > > > We have a deal,should ignore > parameter,kindly > > > update > > > > with the mantra, > > > > Tq > > > > > > > > , > surya > > > > vishnubhotla > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with > > mantras > > > > for > > > > > such purposes .. though there are many ... > > > > > firstly: > > > > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us > > > > > b) We need to know the rules that go with > the > > > > mantra > > > > > c) It is not ethical .. > > > > > > > > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to > ignore > > > these > > > > > parameters .. let me know ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that > can > > be > > > > > > recited and has the > > > > > > power to influence others ? > > > > > > > > > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love > spells,does > > any > > > > > > mantra serve this > > > > > > purpose? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ Though there are some Vashikaran Mantras available and some love spells too. I do have a love spell that one can use on others. But there is a *sign of warning* too. These all comes under Tamsik (say bad) category and they have side effect (negative) too. If wrongly intended or used for wrong purpose, it will backfire on you and thus creating more problems and pains for you. I know this, because I did some occult studies in past. But I strongly recommend not to use any of these, due to thier tamsik nature. Sincere Regards, Neeraj Gupta --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > Dear Surya jee, > > Any mantra to influence others is tamsic I guess, > hence should not be practiced. However as a > moderator I have no problem if such topics are > discussed here. So you can go ahead. > > Without the person's permission you should not put > the emails privately exchanged between you and he. > > No, I do not know the indications where the person > is used in such matters. > > Namaste, > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > Mail tanvir > Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > Jyotish discussion > > > - > surya vishnubhotla > > Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:29 PM > Re: Mantra to influence others > > > hehe .. maybe I should put all the mails exchanged > between me and raj?? > > tanvir ji .. you take the call !! > > but a lot of how they work depends on the faith > you > place on the system rituals ... I know only the > Hindu > processes ... > > But I have in my course of learning seen a very > very > common set of processes in the way these things > work > in every religion or culture .... > > maybe we can discuss ... let's see ... I know .. > but I > have never used them ... but I have seen them work > in > the past like magic in others lives !! > > Tanvir ji?? do you know of specific horoscope > combinations where people become the objects of > such > processes or become the instruments to do such > processes? > > --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > > > > I am very interested in this subject and belive > this > > is the right place for it. > > > > --- surya vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv > > wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > > > I am not sure if this forum is permissible to > this > > > ... > > > hence I am replying to the person in person > ... > > > > > > thanks > > > Surya. > > > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02 wrote: > > > > We have a deal,should ignore > parameter,kindly > > > update > > > > with the mantra, > > > > Tq > > > > > > > > , > surya > > > > vishnubhotla > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > > It's not a very good idea to meddle with > > mantras > > > > for > > > > > such purposes .. though there are many ... > > > > > firstly: > > > > > a) We need a guru to tell it to us > > > > > b) We need to know the rules that go with > the > > > > mantra > > > > > c) It is not ethical .. > > > > > > > > > > I can suggest mantras if you want to > ignore > > > these > > > > > parameters .. let me know ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rajkmr02 <rajkmr02@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone in here have a mantra that > can > > be > > > > > > recited and has the > > > > > > power to influence others ? > > > > > > > > > > > > In witchcraft ,its called Love > spells,does > > any > > > > > > mantra serve this > > > > > > purpose? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2003 Report Share Posted October 19, 2003 Do you have any personal / direct experience how they work and what is the effect if they fire back? Just curious... Namaste, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - Neeraj Gupta Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:32 PM Re: Mantra to influence others ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ Though there are some Vashikaran Mantras available and some love spells too. I do have a love spell that one can use on others. But there is a *sign of warning* too. These all comes under Tamsik (say bad) category and they have side effect (negative) too. If wrongly intended or used for wrong purpose, it will backfire on you and thus creating more problems and pains for you. I know this, because I did some occult studies in past. But I strongly recommend not to use any of these, due to thier tamsik nature. Sincere Regards, Neeraj Gupta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2003 Report Share Posted October 19, 2003 OOOOOhhhh, I guess not. I guess I"m over my head huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2003 Report Share Posted October 19, 2003 Dear Tanvir, I don't had any personal experience or direct experience, but I had some literature over this. The most important ingredient in any Love Spell is one's *true feelings and love for other*. If this is not right (like some people confuse lust for love), it will backfire. I don't know the exact working of the love spell, but whatever I know I am sharing. It starts from your mind, the energy infused within you and your thoughts. The more powerful your thoughts, your feelings are, the better it works. It is basically sending some waves or messages (when you are working on love spell) into the universe for some person. It's also like a wish of GOD, like if you don't use it properly or you use it on wrong person, it will backfire means that the energy you have sent into the universe for positive thing (the one using spell thinks he is doing good), but in reality he is trying to hurt or create problems for another, or he made some mistake in spell, this energy that was sent in universe, comes and hit back with thrice the force. say for e.g. he may have some relationship problems, or be alone, like he used for the purpose of heart (improving relationship), the matter will become more worsen. This is all a different thought of school, wiccan magic, voodoo, witchcraft etc. They generally use natural products (some herbs, oils etc) and infuse the energy of nature with their energy of mind. There are some groups on on this too and you can find masters of spells there, just here on some groups we have gurus for Vedic Astrology. This is also a science, that works on different plane. But now, I think (it's my personal belief) that sticking to saatwic practices is best, the results may come slow, but it slowly improves your life, whereas in Spells, the result is within a short time, but the effect lasts for only a short period. You can find one article ( a case study ) on this topic by Respected Guru Sanjay Rath ji in his book VRA in which one lady used the black magic, but ultimately problems intensified for her. with warm regards, Neeraj Gupta --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > Do you have any personal / direct experience how > they work and what is the effect if they fire back? > Just curious... > > Namaste, > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > Mail tanvir > Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > Jyotish discussion > > > - > Neeraj Gupta > > Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:32 PM > Re: Mantra to influence others > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > Though there are some Vashikaran Mantras available > and > some love spells too. I do have a love spell that > one > can use on others. > > But there is a *sign of warning* too. These all > comes > under Tamsik (say bad) category and they have side > effect (negative) too. If wrongly intended or used > for > wrong purpose, it will backfire on you and thus > creating more problems and pains for you. > > I know this, because I did some occult studies in > past. But I strongly recommend not to use any of > these, due to thier tamsik nature. > > Sincere Regards, > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 Thank you for getting back with me. I guess I don't want to force myself on somebody if they don't want me. I guess I'm looking for a sign that says he's the one. I don't think it's even lust that we have each other but compatiability. Especially, when I have never met him. This is something embarrassing to confess. Cuz, I met him on line. I know he likes be too, but things have changed. Probably, because we live so far away from each other. So, things have changed now and he's not very responsive. So, that's the story, no lust going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 Dear friend, It's almost impossible as I know for you use the mantras that I know (pronounciations will be really tuff ) But let me tell you how these things work in the first place: a) Usually you need some representation of the person you are trying to attract - nails, hair, photo or simply the name. b) You need to take the help of a diety to help you quicken the process of attraction. Here the following things are important: c) You need --- jacquiec111 wrote: > Thank you for getting back with me. I guess I don't > want to force myself on somebody if they don't want > me. I guess I'm looking for a sign that says he's > the one. > > I don't think it's even lust that we have each other > but compatiability. Especially, when I have never > met him. This is something embarrassing to confess. > Cuz, I met him on line. > > I know he likes be too, but things have changed. > Probably, because we live so far away from each > other. So, things have changed now and he's not > very responsive. So, that's the story, no lust > going on. > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 Dear friend, It's almost impossible as I know for you use the mantras that I know (pronounciations will be really tuff for you if you dont know some sanskrit) But let me tell you how these things work in the first place: a) Usually you need some representation of the person you are trying to attract - nails, hair, photo or simply the name or a mental image for. b) You need to take the help of a diety to help you quicken the process of attraction. Here the following things are important: - The color of the diety (because the color of the diety/her dress stands for the kind of desire you have) - To know about the diety herself because it aids in imagining the godess as she is ... and praying her - A yantra, idol of the diety (not necessary if you are doing mental worship) (if you have a yantra you need to worship all the godesses in the different parts of the yantra) c) You need a mantra that needs to be repeated continuously. - Each mantra stands for a specific frequency and has a specific purpose ... the lower the diety in the order of godess the more number of repititions that are required ... d) Some mantras have a base mantras that needs to be first used to invoke the diety first. e) Most mantras describe the place and the articles you need to pray to the godess (some mantras ask you to be in graveyard with dead bodies around you because it makes you beyond good or bad and hence makes it easier to invoke the diety) ... The idea is that to satisfy material wants, you need to sacrifice material possessions ... because nothing comes from nothing ... this is a costly affair ... there is however some respite here ... there is something called manasika japa (or mental recitation) where you picture the godess and give her offerings mentally along with chanting her mantra after invoking her ... for this you need to be very imaginative and you need to be pure at heart ... this is actually more powerful than physical offerings given .. but alas the moment we close eyes we have no images coming into our head !! Theory says that all mantras should not be done as you want to ... there is a specific disciplin described to perform them ,... however some mantras belong to godesses who are specifically meant for people with no spiritual development ... these mantras can be done anytime .... Theory also says that ugra (fierce) dieties respond quicker - but also hit back harder if they are displeased ... this is a part of mantra story ... maybe I will tell more later ... However here comes the anti climax - a) God is formless ... b) The forms we attribute are sometimes seen as the limitations of our own minds .. c) It's believed that the dieties with forms come from the formless god and are guided by the formless absolute god... If somehow we can attain this formless god in our heart (not the physical heart ) then a simple thought released into the astral world is enuff to enforce the manifestation of that thought ... sadly people who attain this formless god wont have any desires !!! More later ... Surya. --- jacquiec111 wrote: > Thank you for getting back with me. I guess I don't > want to force myself on somebody if they don't want > me. I guess I'm looking for a sign that says he's > the one. > > I don't think it's even lust that we have each other > but compatiability. Especially, when I have never > met him. This is something embarrassing to confess. > Cuz, I met him on line. > > I know he likes be too, but things have changed. > Probably, because we live so far away from each > other. So, things have changed now and he's not > very responsive. So, that's the story, no lust > going on. > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2003 Report Share Posted October 23, 2003 Dear Surya-ji, Thank you for a well thought-out response. It was beautifully written and "very open-minded." Since there is allot of Theory on Mantra Japa and the various Mantras. I would like to propose and email titled Mantra Theory where we can share our ideas, and desires on Mantras. We are all seeking for happiness in which-evef form or matter. Also I would think that Mantra Japa would be applicable to Vedic Astrology since there is a Mantra for each planet. In my case I am more interested in the Theory part. Hopefully if we can all keep an open mind to the various ideas we can surely learn from each other. Sincerely, Jose --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > Dear friend, > > It's almost impossible as I know for you use the > mantras that I know (pronounciations will be really > tuff for you if you dont know some sanskrit) > > But let me tell you how these things work in the > first > place: > > a) Usually you need some representation of the > person > you are trying to attract - nails, hair, photo or > simply the name or a mental image for. > > b) You need to take the help of a diety to help you > quicken the process of attraction. > Here the following things are important: > - The color of the diety (because the color of > the diety/her dress stands for the kind of desire > you > have) > - To know about the diety herself because it > aids > in imagining the godess as she is ... and praying > her > - A yantra, idol of the diety (not necessary if > you are doing mental worship) (if you have a yantra > you need to worship all the godesses in the > different > parts of the yantra) > > c) You need a mantra that needs to be repeated > continuously. - Each mantra stands for a specific > frequency and has a specific purpose ... the lower > the > diety in the order of godess the more number of > repititions that are required ... > > d) Some mantras have a base mantras that needs to be > first used to invoke the diety first. > > e) Most mantras describe the place and the articles > you need to pray to the godess (some mantras ask you > to be in graveyard with dead bodies around you > because > it makes you beyond good or bad and hence makes it > easier to invoke the diety) ... The idea is that to > satisfy material wants, you need to sacrifice > material > possessions ... because nothing comes from nothing > ... > this is a costly affair ... > > there is however some respite here ... there is > something called manasika japa (or mental > recitation) > where you picture the godess and give her offerings > mentally along with chanting her mantra after > invoking > her ... for this you need to be very imaginative and > you need to be pure at heart ... this is actually > more > powerful than physical offerings given .. but alas > the > moment we close eyes we have no images coming into > our > head !! > > Theory says that all mantras should not be done as > you > want to ... there is a specific disciplin described > to > perform them ,... however some mantras belong to > godesses who are specifically meant for people with > no > spiritual development ... these mantras can be done > anytime .... > > Theory also says that ugra (fierce) dieties respond > quicker - but also hit back harder if they are > displeased ... > > this is a part of mantra story ... maybe I will tell > more later ... > > However here comes the anti climax - > a) God is formless ... > b) The forms we attribute are sometimes seen as the > limitations of our own minds .. > c) It's believed that the dieties with forms come > from > the formless god and are guided by the formless > absolute god... > > If somehow we can attain this formless god in our > heart (not the physical heart ) then a simple > thought > released into the astral world is enuff to enforce > the > manifestation of that thought ... > sadly people who attain this formless god wont have > any desires !!! > > More later ... > Surya. > > --- jacquiec111 wrote: > > Thank you for getting back with me. I guess I > don't > > want to force myself on somebody if they don't > want > > me. I guess I'm looking for a sign that says he's > > the one. > > > > I don't think it's even lust that we have each > other > > but compatiability. Especially, when I have never > > met him. This is something embarrassing to > confess. > > Cuz, I met him on line. > > > > I know he likes be too, but things have changed. > > Probably, because we live so far away from each > > other. So, things have changed now and he's not > > very responsive. So, that's the story, no lust > > going on. > > > > > > > The New with improved product > search > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Hello, I am open to the idea ... there is so much to share !! However in a little time --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > Dear Surya-ji, > > Thank you for a well thought-out response. It was > beautifully written and "very open-minded." Since > there is allot of Theory on Mantra Japa and the > various Mantras. I would like to propose and email > titled Mantra Theory where we can share our ideas, > and > desires on Mantras. We are all seeking for happiness > in which-evef form or matter. > > Also I would think that Mantra Japa would be > applicable to Vedic Astrology since there is a > Mantra > for each planet. In my case I am more interested in > the Theory part. > > Hopefully if we can all keep an open mind to the > various ideas we can surely learn from each other. > > Sincerely, > > Jose > > > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote: > > Dear friend, > > > > It's almost impossible as I know for you use the > > mantras that I know (pronounciations will be > really > > tuff for you if you dont know some sanskrit) > > > > But let me tell you how these things work in the > > first > > place: > > > > a) Usually you need some representation of the > > person > > you are trying to attract - nails, hair, photo or > > simply the name or a mental image for. > > > > b) You need to take the help of a diety to help > you > > quicken the process of attraction. > > Here the following things are important: > > - The color of the diety (because the color > of > > the diety/her dress stands for the kind of desire > > you > > have) > > - To know about the diety herself because it > > aids > > in imagining the godess as she is ... and praying > > her > > - A yantra, idol of the diety (not necessary > if > > you are doing mental worship) (if you have a > yantra > > you need to worship all the godesses in the > > different > > parts of the yantra) > > > > c) You need a mantra that needs to be repeated > > continuously. - Each mantra stands for a specific > > frequency and has a specific purpose ... the lower > > the > > diety in the order of godess the more number of > > repititions that are required ... > > > > d) Some mantras have a base mantras that needs to > be > > first used to invoke the diety first. > > > > e) Most mantras describe the place and the > articles > > you need to pray to the godess (some mantras ask > you > > to be in graveyard with dead bodies around you > > because > > it makes you beyond good or bad and hence makes it > > easier to invoke the diety) ... The idea is that > to > > satisfy material wants, you need to sacrifice > > material > > possessions ... because nothing comes from nothing > > ... > > this is a costly affair ... > > > > there is however some respite here ... there is > > something called manasika japa (or mental > > recitation) > > where you picture the godess and give her > offerings > > mentally along with chanting her mantra after > > invoking > > her ... for this you need to be very imaginative > and > > you need to be pure at heart ... this is actually > > more > > powerful than physical offerings given .. but alas > > the > > moment we close eyes we have no images coming into > > our > > head !! > > > > Theory says that all mantras should not be done as > > you > > want to ... there is a specific disciplin > described > > to > > perform them ,... however some mantras belong to > > godesses who are specifically meant for people > with > > no > > spiritual development ... these mantras can be > done > > anytime .... > > > > Theory also says that ugra (fierce) dieties > respond > > quicker - but also hit back harder if they are > > displeased ... > > > > this is a part of mantra story ... maybe I will > tell > > more later ... > > > > However here comes the anti climax - > > a) God is formless ... > > b) The forms we attribute are sometimes seen as > the > > limitations of our own minds .. > > c) It's believed that the dieties with forms come > > from > > the formless god and are guided by the formless > > absolute god... > > > > If somehow we can attain this formless god in our > > heart (not the physical heart ) then a simple > > thought > > released into the astral world is enuff to enforce > > the > > manifestation of that thought ... > > sadly people who attain this formless god wont > have > > any desires !!! > > > > More later ... > > Surya. > > > > --- jacquiec111 wrote: > > > Thank you for getting back with me. I guess I > > don't > > > want to force myself on somebody if they don't > > want > > > me. I guess I'm looking for a sign that says > he's > > > the one. > > > > > > I don't think it's even lust that we have each > > other > > > but compatiability. Especially, when I have > never > > > met him. This is something embarrassing to > > confess. > > > Cuz, I met him on line. > > > > > > I know he likes be too, but things have changed. > > > > Probably, because we live so far away from each > > > other. So, things have changed now and he's not > > > very responsive. So, that's the story, no lust > > > going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product > > search > > > > > > > > > The New with improved product > search > > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch./promos/britneyspears/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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