Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 Dear Kaimal Jee, namaste. First I am very sorry for my extremely late reply. Actually I am 'kept' very busy and I sometimes wish that the day would be of 28/30 hrs than of only 24 hrs - then I could have finished all my works in a day! :-) I am even worst than this - like today I got another reminder from one of my school friend who is after me for his+his sister's charts for over 3 months. And he lives in the 1st floor of the same house I live in !!!!! Thanks for sharing so many events with this group :-) There is no 'basic house' for son-in-law, but I have seen people taking 11th for it which is logical, since 11th is the 7th to 5th. Your 11th lord is Mars. Mars goes to 8th house, being fallen. It gets cancellation of debilitation by Jupiter, your 3+12 Lord. Still I always consider a fallen planet to be somehow weak, even after being neecha bhanga. 11th Lord in fall can/will give trouble through elder siblings, co-workers and friends, son/daughter in law etc. Here you do not have any elder siblings. Jupiter and Rahu joins the 11th lord Mars, Rahu being more effective. [More closer to Mars than Ju.] Since 11th lord [elder siblings / son in law / friends] is in 7th [marriage] the problem might come through a 'marriage' so by 7th house placement, the 'in law' kind of matters get priority in all other 11th house matters such as friends and co workers and elder siblings. So this is clear. BTW 11th lord in such state in 7th house can cause marital problems for any co worker or friend or something like this. The view from the side of son in law explains this way. On the other hand another 'view' of this problem is "trouble about children". Your 5th lord is Ve, who goes to 4th, which is 12th to own place. So some trouble regarding children will be there. However Ve is female planet so female children might give you more problems, than male children. Again, Ve is the planet of marriage thus your female child [Ve] suffers after/through marriage [Ve]. This is my favourite Bhavat bhavam technique which I like to use :-) Well, it mostly happened in the AD of Merc. Merc is a great friend of Ve and he works as the way of the planet he joins [Here Ve] and he also is in the star of Ve. He is totally convinced by Ve and so he gave all this in his AD. Note that he is the 6th lord of disputes and arguements. He is also the 9th lord and this case again proves that 9th lord doesnt mean 'all good' always... Q1. When you first came to know / saw that your son in law is showing disrespect to you and other relatives of your daughet? It is v imp to know. My logic says since this is a problem caused by Ve (to some degree) and you are running Ve MD now, this problem might continue more or less. It has to be noticed that your problem lessened to some degre from ju PD and it is no wonder because Jupiter joins your 11th lord and cools it down to some degree by Rahu and also gives neecha bhanga. It is a brilliant example of the true nature of planet since Ju is functionally malefic for ur asc. I always stress on the true nature of the planets which you see here. The problem is solely caused by Mars, Ve and Merc [secondary] bec it is getting influenced by Ve though Merc isnt the criminal really. The Ve MD tends to make you worried more or less about it - I hope I am wrong :-) One thing that is really getting me surprised is the nature of ur father. 10th house aspected by Me, Ve, Su, Mo. How come it give such a father. I am finding no answer for it and perhaps any member might see something which I can not see right now??? This is all for now. I will continue it so some extent after receiving your reply. However I think I have covered the main concerns here? :-)Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir ChowdhuryMail tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comPersonal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirJyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastroJyotish discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 very much sorry, please read it "mars goes to 7TH HOUSE" (not 8th) i saw it rightly but when typing it was wrong :-( namaste, tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir ChowdhuryMail tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comPersonal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirJyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastroJyotish discussion - Tanvir Jyotish Remedies Monday, October 06, 2003 1:20 AM Query of Kaimal Jee Dear Kaimal Jee, namaste. First I am very sorry for my extremely late reply. Actually I am 'kept' very busy and I sometimes wish that the day would be of 28/30 hrs than of only 24 hrs - then I could have finished all my works in a day! :-) I am even worst than this - like today I got another reminder from one of my school friend who is after me for his+his sister's charts for over 3 months. And he lives in the 1st floor of the same house I live in !!!!! Thanks for sharing so many events with this group :-) There is no 'basic house' for son-in-law, but I have seen people taking 11th for it which is logical, since 11th is the 7th to 5th. Your 11th lord is Mars. Mars goes to 8th house, being fallen. It gets cancellation of debilitation by Jupiter, your 3+12 Lord. Still I always consider a fallen planet to be somehow weak, even after being neecha bhanga. 11th Lord in fall can/will give trouble through elder siblings, co-workers and friends, son/daughter in law etc. Here you do not have any elder siblings. Jupiter and Rahu joins the 11th lord Mars, Rahu being more effective. [More closer to Mars than Ju.] Since 11th lord [elder siblings / son in law / friends] is in 7th [marriage] the problem might come through a 'marriage' so by 7th house placement, the 'in law' kind of matters get priority in all other 11th house matters such as friends and co workers and elder siblings. So this is clear. BTW 11th lord in such state in 7th house can cause marital problems for any co worker or friend or something like this. The view from the side of son in law explains this way. On the other hand another 'view' of this problem is "trouble about children". Your 5th lord is Ve, who goes to 4th, which is 12th to own place. So some trouble regarding children will be there. However Ve is female planet so female children might give you more problems, than male children. Again, Ve is the planet of marriage thus your female child [Ve] suffers after/through marriage [Ve]. This is my favourite Bhavat bhavam technique which I like to use :-) Well, it mostly happened in the AD of Merc. Merc is a great friend of Ve and he works as the way of the planet he joins [Here Ve] and he also is in the star of Ve. He is totally convinced by Ve and so he gave all this in his AD. Note that he is the 6th lord of disputes and arguements. He is also the 9th lord and this case again proves that 9th lord doesnt mean 'all good' always... Q1. When you first came to know / saw that your son in law is showing disrespect to you and other relatives of your daughet? It is v imp to know. My logic says since this is a problem caused by Ve (to some degree) and you are running Ve MD now, this problem might continue more or less. It has to be noticed that your problem lessened to some degre from ju PD and it is no wonder because Jupiter joins your 11th lord and cools it down to some degree by Rahu and also gives neecha bhanga. It is a brilliant example of the true nature of planet since Ju is functionally malefic for ur asc. I always stress on the true nature of the planets which you see here. The problem is solely caused by Mars, Ve and Merc [secondary] bec it is getting influenced by Ve though Merc isnt the criminal really. The Ve MD tends to make you worried more or less about it - I hope I am wrong :-) One thing that is really getting me surprised is the nature of ur father. 10th house aspected by Me, Ve, Su, Mo. How come it give such a father. I am finding no answer for it and perhaps any member might see something which I can not see right now??? This is all for now. I will continue it so some extent after receiving your reply. However I think I have covered the main concerns here? :-)Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir ChowdhuryMail tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comPersonal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirJyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastroJyotish discussion ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 Hello Tanvir, Namaste and very glad to see you back! Thanks a lot for your evaluation.I was really fascinated by the way you applied astrological principles in such a logical fashion which carries conviction,even though it is not very good news to me. Well the first time we felt something odd was during their visit in April 2002.But it came out in the open during our stay with them in US from Nov 2002 to May 2003.As a result I was reduced to a mental wreck for some time but now recovered to a large extend.But as you said,it is like a knife permenantly placed in my heart with its sharp edge rubbing against it so that I can never be free from the pain.My wife is also distressed though not to this extend.She is just sad about it. And I was looking forward to a happy old age in happiness and prosperity as Venus is my Yogakaraka!Will the sub dasas give some relief?Or is there any remedial measures you can recommend? BTW means Badhaka? Regarding my father,in D9,Mercury and Mars are together in the 8th from D1 Lagna and may be it has something to do with it.I was trying to apply the logic you have shown.Mer can stand as the 10th Lord Venus also and afflicted by Badhaka Mars in D9 ? Thank you once again.I have one request.Can you take a look at my daughter's chart and see whether she will have a lasting happy married life as that alone is important to me? With warm regards Kaimal - Tanvir Jyotish Remedies Monday, October 06, 2003 12:50 AM Query of Kaimal Jee Dear Kaimal Jee, namaste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 Hello Tanvir, This sign aspect about which you have written before,can be aplied to my chart?The Sun in Taurus is directly aspected by Rahu and Mars and that may point to a cruel and brutal father?The Jupiter there is quite far off and may not be in a position to mitigate the bad effects.What do you think? Taking 11th for son in law is very logical as we take 5th for grandparents because it is 9th from 9th.But if you take 10th for father then it should be 7th for grand parents."I always stress on the true nature of the planets ".This a very interesting comment.Can you please elaborate?Or is there anything in our files?When a planet acts according to its basic nature or functional nature is always a matter of great confusion to me. With best regards Kaimal --- Original Message ----- Tanvir Jyotish Remedies Monday, October 06, 2003 12:50 AM Query of Kaimal Jee Dear Kaimal Jee, namaste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Su is the natural karaka and he'll have to be considered but actually most of the times particular karaka (here 9L or 10L) is more imp than natural karaka (here Su). Yes I would consider SU aspected by Ma, Ra but it is aspected by Ju too. In this case how come is it possible as 10L Ve is so strong in 4H and even if you consider 9L then it isnt that bad. However the dispositor of 10L / 9L is fallen and is that the reason besides afflicted Su in 6th (enmity) ? Still, Ve is strong... The only ans i find here that the dispositor (Ma) is doing prob. I have seen and do agree the influence of dispositor on strength but THIS MUCH??? :-o I just am trying to relate something to 10L since the effect on Su isnt enough to give a v horrible father... However Ra and Mars aspecting Su can give a cruel father, but a cruel father can also be loving and positive toward the kid... so it has to be powerfully indicated. Taking grandparents from 5H isnt logical, do you see it. if you take 9H for father then only grandfather is from 5H but grandmother (paternal) should be from 12th... on the other hand maternal g. pa from 12th n g.ma from 7H... As per my experience malefics (functional) can not/ does not give happiness but can/do give material success like fame money etc. Ju if a mild benefic and well placed can give benefic result for some aspects, also note here that Ju provides neecha bhanga to Mars so can calm down Mars to the best. Even by nature Ju can calm down Mars to the best bec he is a great friend of Ma and just opposite nature of Ma - virtue, calmness etc. [Ma is anger and aggression.] I will soon reply and proceed with your chart. Regards Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir ChowdhuryMail tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comPersonal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirJyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastroJyotish discussion - SRCKaimal Monday, October 06, 2003 9:02 AM Re: Query of Kaimal Jee Hello Tanvir, This sign aspect about which you have written before,can be aplied to my chart?The Sun in Taurus is directly aspected by Rahu and Mars and that may point to a cruel and brutal father?The Jupiter there is quite far off and may not be in a position to mitigate the bad effects.What do you think? Taking 11th for son in law is very logical as we take 5th for grandparents because it is 9th from 9th.But if you take 10th for father then it should be 7th for grand parents."I always stress on the true nature of the planets ".This a very interesting comment.Can you please elaborate?Or is there anything in our files?When a planet acts according to its basic nature or functional nature is always a matter of great confusion to me. With best regards Kaimal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 namaste dear kaimal jee, dont worry much. ve is your YK. however i have seen that the same kind of ve - means ve being YK for a capricorn native giving negative kind of result in love matters... YK is not all-excellent, but in general good for material success. YK = yoga karaka, in general we refer to raja yoga. now, rajas were not always happy but they had lots of money and power. this ensures that a YK is not always good assurance for mental happiness. it's a tough job to find out. but yes your YK ve period will be good over all, but for being 12th from 5th, (own sign) it is bound to give prob about children. and it is giving it in the planet it joins and disposits in own star [merc] and notice that started in Me AD and ve PD so both they are working for it - we can see clearly. now i gues rahu can worse things in same way, since it joins 11L mars. please dont worry, bec as soon as the 3 level ve period [ve-ve-ve] ends at feb 2004, you will get some pretty good news about it. but in aug 2004 - apr 2005 things might worse a little bec of rahu and mars, then ju PD comes and you will be relieved again. maha dasa doesnt make anything happened directly but sets a bounday. you will be greatly relieved after VE AD ends. Notice that you are running a 3 level Ve period that is making you very much worried. The remedial measure is to obtain is surely, sincere prayers to mother Lakshmi and Lord Hanumana, and Mother Durga. BTW = by the way :-) d9 is particularly for the spouse, and general strength. for parents it would have to be seen from d-12 you know and esp sun's position in there. yes, surely i would look at our daughter's chart. please send me. however you already see i am running out of time and having huge pending works, so i really can not promiss when i will have the time. i even wanted to ask you some question, having no time for it :-) wish to do later. regards tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir ChowdhuryMail tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comPersonal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirJyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastroJyotish discussion - SRCKaimal Monday, October 06, 2003 8:05 AM Re: Query of Kaimal Jee Hello Tanvir, Namaste and very glad to see you back! Thanks a lot for your evaluation.I was really fascinated by the way you applied astrological principles in such a logical fashion which carries conviction,even though it is not very good news to me. Well the first time we felt something odd was during their visit in April 2002.But it came out in the open during our stay with them in US from Nov 2002 to May 2003.As a result I was reduced to a mental wreck for some time but now recovered to a large extend.But as you said,it is like a knife permenantly placed in my heart with its sharp edge rubbing against it so that I can never be free from the pain.My wife is also distressed though not to this extend.She is just sad about it. And I was looking forward to a happy old age in happiness and prosperity as Venus is my Yogakaraka!Will the sub dasas give some relief?Or is there any remedial measures you can recommend? BTW means Badhaka? Regarding my father,in D9,Mercury and Mars are together in the 8th from D1 Lagna and may be it has something to do with it.I was trying to apply the logic you have shown.Mer can stand as the 10th Lord Venus also and afflicted by Badhaka Mars in D9 ? Thank you once again.I have one request.Can you take a look at my daughter's chart and see whether she will have a lasting happy married life as that alone is important to me? With warm regards Kaimal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 Hello Tanvir, Namaste! Thank you for your comforting words and I pray that they come true.Now I am giving below the birth details of my daughter with your concurrence.(yes, surely i would look at our daughter's chart. please send me. however you already see i am running out of time and having huge pending works, so i really can not promiss when i will have the time. i even wanted to ask you some question, having no time for it ) DOB 4th Dec 1978 TOB 11.55am IST POB Trivandrum,Kerala,India (76E55 8N30) I was again going through your earlier mail giving me the detailed analysis and I was struck by this sentence. "There is no 'basic house' for son-in-law, but I have seen people taking 11th for it which is logical, since 11th is the 7th to 5th." Now I have found something interesting in the Lessons given in the full version of JHL5 by Guruji PVRN and I am extracting it below. "Family Members - We can analyze the fortunes of family members from one's chart. For parents, grandparents, uncles and aunts, we should see D-12. For children, children-in-law and grandchildren, we should see D-7. For brothers, sisters, brothers-in-law and sister-in-law, we should see D-3. For spouse and his/her family members, we should see D-9. In each of these charts, we should look at the house that shows the person of interest and consider the rasi containing the lord of that house as lagna. We can consider the corresponding arudha pada also. For example, the 9th lord or the arudha pada of 9th house in D-12 shows father. The 4th lord or the arudha pada of 4th house in D-12 shows mother" I do not have the depth to fully undestand or make of use of this.When you have time can you please look into my chart again and get support for your conclusions through the divisional charts,Arudhas and Argalas as advised by our Guriji PVRN?I am sure it will be very helpful and useful for all the members. With best regards Kaimal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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