Babylonian Zodiac:Sidereal

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I thank you for mentioning how sidereal astrology appears first historically.

What you see in the sky, is what you get. I at this point would only like to

add one possibility:

 

What if the Yugas of 26,000 years approximately have risen and fallen for more

than this one cycle we term as "Human History". We tend to value our modern

accomplishments so much, and in the "relative progress" of the last 10-12,000

years as "Man has evolved into civilization".

 

How can we not respect & be open to the vast knowledge that our ancient

forefathers gathered. Info about cycles that last 100 to 1000 to 26,000, to

even millions of years? And we only think we Moderns have this 'advanced

perception of reality'.

 

Something in me somehow percieves these ancient cultures as being at their peak

10-12,000 years ago, at the top of the last Yuga per Sri Yukteswar, and having

a much grander knowledge of the intricacies of this Universe. Maybe the

Objective world wasn't so 'scientifically advanced' but the inner life of these

people seemed to be beyond our perception. Thus if this new perspective is true,

then we are keepers and REVIVERS of knowledge that has survived 1,2 or many Yuga

(26,000 Yuga) cycles before. If this info was "Cognized", or seen by the Great

Rishis within the fabric of the Universe itself, then couldn't it be

're-captured' by great beings in any age!??!

 

Thank you O' Grand Rishi Seers!!!

 

For we will never know the exact momentum of Astrology in the ancient world thru

simply digging up bones & books, and hypothesizing what it all means from our

modern psyche. We can see the trail, but the Life that is and WAS Jyotish is

too vast to be captured in this linear way.

 

So in the end I believe Astrology is almost as old as our species...we watch the

sky, we learn and observe, and we pass down our wisdom...

 

May we all shine on,

Ashwin

 

 

gandoff93 (AT) netscape (DOT) net wrote:

Dear Group Patrons; Namaste, Ahimsa. There were some comments about the western

Astrology thing. It should be clarified that archealogist Van der Vaarden in

the early part of the twentieth century stated: The Babylonians clearly had a

sidereal zodiac that consisted of 12 signs, each thirty degrees by which the

measured astronomical events along the ecliptic. This astro-archealogical

research and findings have very much been confirmed the last fifty years by

western scholars and academics. More recently, Babylonian Horoscopes have

likewise been cataloged in the Sachs-Hunger translations; and other doctorial

dissertations by Rosenberg, further demonstrating that the Assyrians,

Babylonians, and Chaldeans all utilized a sidereal zodiac defined by fiducials

namely, Antares, Aldeboran, Regulas, Spica, etc. dividing the zodiac of 360

degrees and 12

houses, i.e., sidereal signs equal 30 degrees each. This was all hot &

controversial stuff when Cyril Fagan published in his Solunars column in

American Astrology Magazine 1953 the Sachs translation of Chaldean Horoscopes

circa 300 B.C. exemplifying that the earliest or first found recorded

horoscopes were "sidereal" and simple. Since that time many have continued to

argue about the data, but clearly the origins of twelve sign zodiac we know of

today was sidereal and a Mesopatamean invention consumated by the Assyrians &

Babylonians. I so very much appreciate the boon of this Astrology Group, and

only wish to give an academic perspective in citing some discoveries that gave

precident to the Western Sidereal Astrology School, albeit this information is

rapidly fading and may soon all be forgotten. I hope I've not offended our

Vedic colleagues by stating facts from the last century, as they did assist the

early western

sidereal movement in many ways. Still to date the earliest written horoscopes

appear to be no earlier than 300 B.C. I am aware of the Palm Leaves

libraries in India, and hope to pilgrimage to one some day, but I have no

empirical or other data supporting that those depositories of horoscopes were

written before the Chaldean texts discussed. Though, I've read claims that they

are of great antiquity, and may prove to be so someday. It is my hope these

comments give clarification to an debate that was long forgotten, and

mis-information still going around about. Blessings & Salutations of the

Highest, Namaste, Sidereal

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