kind atten -msgfromhell

[Guest guest]

hi,

i m very much surprise to see the 100% success of ur

predictions.... even u are a student .but i think you

are very good since your prediction never fails .

 

i would like to see ur expert assesment and comments

on the following chart I am proposing . i would very

much like some discussion from u on the past of this

native and would like to hear your expert comments on

the past of this native . would like to see the way

you analysis a chart and find the truth out of it -

that is why u am rather eager to hear about the past

from you.i would like to know some facts from u like

on what people have no control..like Things can not be

applied to all in common,and only specific and

particular .that reallymakes sense.

 

So i am waiting for you for a positive reply with some

Discussion on the past of this native and i would like

to hear and know ur uncommon techniques,they seem to

be very Interesting to me.

 

Male, born on Thursday, 1974-04-18 06:05:00 at

mannargudi, India

Latitude: 010:40:N / Longitude: 079:26:E

 

thx

 

hari om namo narayana

n.rajagoopalan

 

 

=====

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear rajagoopalan,

First of all, let me re-emphasize that I have no 'reported' wrong

prediction. It doesn't mean that I've been never wrong.

Secondly, I wrote it more than once that I don't believe in transits

or dasha system. So, what will happen when? or what has happened

when? are two questions I can't answer using natal astrology. The

horary part can be used but I can't use it on the internet because

time and location of question, and the time and location where I read

it are always different and I never know what time and location to

use!

I am doing some research and only after that I'll be able to use

internet to predict the past and future.

 

Using natal astrology, I only predict what 'potential' the native

has. It has absolutely no saying on what will 'definitely' happen and

what won't 'definitely' happen. In general, astrology can neither

deny anything nor guarantee anything. One has to look at a lot of

other factors too to ascertain a certain prediction. These factors

include family background, family religion, country, culture, etc.

Since I can't know each and every person that I give prediction for,

therefore, I only tell them what 'potential' they have instead of

going into the details. For example, I tell people that you have

creative potentials, I don't tell them that you can be a great

artist. I tell them you can be good at technical subjects, but I

don't say that you'll go into computer science.

 

So, if you want to know about your past, then come to meet me in real

life and one more thing don't expect me to give accurate reading if

you don't tell me a lot about your family background and other

factors that I told you above.

 

I've seen astrologers who go on predicting without knowing the

querent's family background, culture, etc. They often get their

readings wrong because marriage in India, Pakistan is a very sacred

act which people normally prefer to do only once, on the other hand,

in Europe, people can marry as many times as they like. No one can

criticize them for that. So, if in a Pakistani's chart, there is a

great indication for second marriage, I never tell that person that

you 'will' marry twice. I normally just say that you'll have problems

with your first wife. On the other hand, if I see problems in

marriage of a European, I'll say that you'll have multiple marriages.

That is just an example how the other factors affect astrology.

 

Astrology isn't that simple as it seems. In fact, astrology is never

100% sure. Astrology isn't based on logic. If it had been, there

would've been only one system of calculation, and only one system of

prediction whereas there are so many systems of calculation. And

almost every expert on astrology has a unique system of prediction.

So, if you think that some expert can tell you what has happened to

you in the past, you are wrong. No one can do that. They perhaps can

only make 'guesses' about things that might've happened!

 

Regards,

A student of astrology

[Guest guest]

Ahimsa, Namaste; Msgfromhell person; Greetings & Salutations of the Highest

 

  Dear Astrology Student; Following your criticisms & complaints, and I believe

you are observing something astutely, but not finding the right forum to debate

it. For forty+plus years I have watched the stars, people, rise & fall of govts.

leaders, Wars, etc,...  And, this forum my friend is a Vedic Astrology group,

and the answers you seek are in a old western style Sidereal School of Astrology

debate, which no longer exists.

  The late Rick Ostrander, a western sidereal zodiac pioneer & Newsletter torch

bearer, and used to discuss with me hours & hours the very kinds of issues

you've brought up.

   Why? does one system work like gangbusters for predicting events, and with

another person- Zip! Nothing working. Case in point: He successfully predicted

the passing of a collegues father when he Spoke at an Astrology Conference;

Using the primary directed Sun to the Angle. But it doesn't always Work!

  Why? do some have success with the Ramakrishna Ayanamsa & others the Lahiri??

When you bring up this issue with the Vimshattari Dasa it clearly indicates that

something divinatory, psycho-associative is working rather than a Newtonian

Mechanical Astrology Model we can take apart and put together lika a car engine.

   The Guaquelin Data gave western aspirants of the Sidereal Zodiac the glimmer

of hope we could find this verifiable statistically repeatable model of

Astrology and prove to the Western Scientific Community there was some definable

force working in our Astrological Observations.

    Like you I get frustrated also, and tried to discuss with the wrong people

Schroedinger's Cat: refer you to the famous paper by Erwin Schroedinger; "The

Present Situation In Quantum Mechanics" published over seventy years ago.

Albeit, great advances have been made in scientific inquiry towards "The Nature

of Things" far evolved from the days of Lucretius, but this kind on discussion

will not find fertile ground in a Vedic tradition of Jyotish, i.e., Science of

Light.

    Nor is this the place to speculate EPR photons possibly having some

connection to "How" Astrology might work; refer you to "Bob & Alice" paper on

Quantum Teleportation & Cryptography. Though possibly related.

    These are exciting and dangerously eventful days fitting the Chinese

proverb: "May you be born in eventful times." .....

Still as the moderator has pointed out, you should exercise a more mature

decorum with those who have a chosen Weltanschaaung to use a Jungian term

seeking knowledge, guidence, solace, and wisdom in Vedic Jyotish. And with all

due respect; Jung only added another decoration to the perverbial metaphysical

Christmas tree. That's pretty!

    So, a Muslem at work yesterday asked me a question about lying. "Is it bad

to lie? and I said, "Not if its your wife putting on her favorite dress, and she

asks you how do I look, Honey?"  

   Jest parting in the future I hope to start a chat group where we can bant

these tough questions around, about astrology, I mean. Not the dress. And myself

being a personal r to Advaita Vedanta philosophy welcome the rich and

ancient revelations of Vedic Metaphysical thought.

   Since I was a teenager I've marveled at the brilliance, beauty, and genius

of Vedic rishis & seers. We may find out as mystics have stated before, the

Truth can not be put into words, and all this effort is for Not! But a stepping

stone in our path of return to become one with Brahman at the end of the Age.

     Be at Peace my friend msgfromHell, the Universe is Safe.

    Many Blessings and happy Quest to you, Om Tat Sat, Sidereal Bob.

 

 

"msgfromhell" <msgfromhell wrote:

 

>Dear rajagoopalan,

>First of all, let me re-emphasize that I have no 'reported' wrong

>prediction. It doesn't mean that I've been never wrong.

>Secondly, I wrote it more than once that I don't believe in transits

>or dasha system. So, what will happen when? or what has happened

>when? are two questions I can't answer using natal astrology. The

>horary part can be used but I can't use it on the internet because

>time and location of question, and the time and location where I read

>it are always different and I never know what time and location to

>use!

>I am doing some research and only after that I'll be able to use

>internet to predict the past and future.

>

>Using natal astrology, I only predict what 'potential' the native

>has. It has absolutely no saying on what will 'definitely' happen and

>what won't 'definitely' happen. In general, astrology can neither

>deny anything nor guarantee anything. One has to look at a lot of

>other factors too to ascertain a certain prediction. These factors

>include family background, family religion, country, culture, etc.

>Since I can't know each and every person that I give prediction for,

>therefore, I only tell them what 'potential' they have instead of

>going into the details. For example, I tell people that you have

>creative potentials, I don't tell them that you can be a great

>artist. I tell them you can be good at technical subjects, but I

>don't say that you'll go into computer science.

>

>So, if you want to know about your past, then come to meet me in real

>life and one more thing don't expect me to give accurate reading if

>you don't tell me a lot about your family background and other

>factors that I told you above.

>

>I've seen astrologers who go on predicting without knowing the

>querent's family background, culture, etc. They often get their

>readings wrong because marriage in India, Pakistan is a very sacred

>act which people normally prefer to do only once, on the other hand,

>in Europe, people can marry as many times as they like. No one can

>criticize them for that. So, if in a Pakistani's chart, there is a

>great indication for second marriage, I never tell that person that

>you 'will' marry twice. I normally just say that you'll have problems

>with your first wife. On the other hand, if I see problems in

>marriage of a European, I'll say that you'll have multiple marriages.

>That is just an example how the other factors affect astrology.

>

>Astrology isn't that simple as it seems. In fact, astrology is never

>100% sure. Astrology isn't based on logic. If it had been, there

>would've been only one system of calculation, and only one system of

>prediction whereas there are so many systems of calculation. And

>almost every expert on astrology has a unique system of prediction.

>So, if you think that some expert can tell you what has happened to

>you in the past, you are wrong. No one can do that. They perhaps can

>only make 'guesses' about things that might've happened!

>

>Regards,

>A student of astrology

>

>

>

 

 

________________

McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network.

Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today!

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397

 

Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now!

http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

[Guest guest]

Dear gandoff,

 

I realize the fact that talking about the very basics of astrology

among the believers of it isn't the right kind of thing but I just

can't help it.

 

Thanks anyway for your suggestion!

 

Regards,

A student of astrology

[Guest guest]

Very nice post. Dasha system is the unique system and among the ways to

interprete a chart that makes Vedic Astrology different from other astrlogy

systems like Western Astrology etc. Like D-charts, the Dasha is one of those

pillers that makes Vedic Astrology glorious and respectable.

 

When we see the whole "Table" of Vimsottari Dasha then we can understand by our

simple common sense that Vedic Astrology is something which can not be derived

by any human research or anything - there must be some divine source from the

creator himself we got it from.

 

Thus, Dasha system, makes Vedic Astrology respectable and proves it's divinity

and shows it's spiritual values.

 

Other Dasha systems are more amazing, more complicated... where the whole bunch

of scientist would pass their lives in researching but could develop no

scientific analysis to support them, surely.

 

Best wishes,

Tanvir

 

 

 

What can not happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

 

Tanvir Chowdhury

Mail tanvir

Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir

Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro

Jyotish discussion

 

-

gandoff93

Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:39 AM

RE: Re: kind atten -"msgfromhell"

 

 

Ahimsa, Namaste; Msgfromhell person; Greetings & Salutations of the Highest

 

Dear Astrology Student; Following your criticisms & complaints, and I

believe you are observing something astutely, but not finding the right forum to

debate it. For forty+plus years I have watched the stars, people, rise & fall of

govts. leaders, Wars, etc,... And, this forum my friend is a Vedic Astrology

group, and the answers you seek are in a old western style Sidereal School of

Astrology debate, which no longer exists.

The late Rick Ostrander, a western sidereal zodiac pioneer & Newsletter

torch bearer, and used to discuss with me hours & hours the very kinds of issues

you've brought up.

Why? does one system work like gangbusters for predicting events, and with

another person- Zip! Nothing working. Case in point: He successfully predicted

the passing of a collegues father when he Spoke at an Astrology Conference;

Using the primary directed Sun to the Angle. But it doesn't always Work!

Why? do some have success with the Ramakrishna Ayanamsa & others the

Lahiri?? When you bring up this issue with the Vimshattari Dasa it clearly

indicates that something divinatory, psycho-associative is working rather than a

Newtonian Mechanical Astrology Model we can take apart and put together lika a

car engine.

The Guaquelin Data gave western aspirants of the Sidereal Zodiac the glimmer

of hope we could find this verifiable statistically repeatable model of

Astrology and prove to the Western Scientific Community there was some definable

force working in our Astrological Observations.

Like you I get frustrated also, and tried to discuss with the wrong people

Schroedinger's Cat: refer you to the famous paper by Erwin Schroedinger; "The

Present Situation In Quantum Mechanics" published over seventy years ago.

Albeit, great advances have been made in scientific inquiry towards "The Nature

of Things" far evolved from the days of Lucretius, but this kind on discussion

will not find fertile ground in a Vedic tradition of Jyotish, i.e., Science of

Light.

Nor is this the place to speculate EPR photons possibly having some

connection to "How" Astrology might work; refer you to "Bob & Alice" paper on

Quantum Teleportation & Cryptography. Though possibly related.

These are exciting and dangerously eventful days fitting the Chinese

proverb: "May you be born in eventful times." .....

Still as the moderator has pointed out, you should exercise a more

mature decorum with those who have a chosen Weltanschaaung to use a Jungian term

seeking knowledge, guidence, solace, and wisdom in Vedic Jyotish. And with all

due respect; Jung only added another decoration to the perverbial metaphysical

Christmas tree. That's pretty!

So, a Muslem at work yesterday asked me a question about lying. "Is it bad

to lie? and I said, "Not if its your wife putting on her favorite dress, and she

asks you how do I look, Honey?"

Jest parting in the future I hope to start a chat group where we can bant

these tough questions around, about astrology, I mean. Not the dress. And myself

being a personal r to Advaita Vedanta philosophy welcome the rich and

ancient revelations of Vedic Metaphysical thought.

Since I was a teenager I've marveled at the brilliance, beauty, and genius

of Vedic rishis & seers. We may find out as mystics have stated before, the

Truth can not be put into words, and all this effort is for Not! But a stepping

stone in our path of return to become one with Brahman at the end of the Age.

Be at Peace my friend msgfromHell, the Universe is Safe.

Many Blessings and happy Quest to you, Om Tat Sat, Sidereal Bob.