Guest guest Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Dear Tanvir and members, I'm tempted to write something in responce to your this mail. On the path to finding truth many time we lost our focus and lost our path. Some time we return back to the place from where we had started our journey. As a result it confused us in between. >From my experience personally I believe that person should follow only one theory. Either we should faith blindly on God, destiny etc. and accept whatever comes in our life and try to change ourself accordingly or we should not give up search for solution. However it's not easy I know. When troubles come in our life nothing can make us happy and satisfied than the solution. Inspiration, motivation etc. factors can give some temporary relief and temporary enthusiasm but it can not be permanent solution and it can never bring us out of mental pain created by curcumstances. There is always difference between happiness and imagination of happiness. Our culture many time teach us to live in dreams and run away from realities. I do believe that each person who is intellectual and gifted little more vision and wisdom than common man, who is interested to do some work for the benifit of human should try to work in result oriented approach instead of discussing what he said and what she said. Why we can not study this as combination of science, maths,logic, statistics, analysis and art instead of making it as subject of miracles, fear and blind beliefs? This is my polite opinion and everybody has full right to disagree with me. regards, Tushar --- Tanvir Chowdhury <tanvir wrote: > I am sorry to hear about your relationship problem. > > Just to make it clear that if we are not destined to > get relief then > no astrologer or remedy can do that. > > Astrologers can provide remedy, we can read charts, > see destiny, try > to get remedies, but that is NOT being outside of > the areas of the > planetary effects but is being under there watch / > effect. If they / > our destiny do not allow us releif, nothing can > work. > > This might sound rude but is the ultimate truth. I > have so many, so > many personal experience with this. > > I know how painful my married life will be and most > probably my first > marriage is going to fail miserably. I am just > thankful that I have > this Rahu bhukti (Current) and Jup bhukti > (June2004-Oct2006) and have > a time to breath in this time and then from Oct2006, > the real > struggle is gonna start about married life :D > > And that is not gonna be over until VE MD around > 2016, I will be > married for the second time then I guess, since Ketu > MD is not gonna > forgive me in any way. I guess the AD will be Sat or > Moon or Ketu > itself. > > Now this is NOT my destiny, I can not surely tell > it. Since there are > matters of remedy. Because, I believe, > > Destiny = Chart + Remedy > > But for 99% peopole, remedy = 0, so in their case, > destiny = chart. > > Now when we talk about remdy, that is not my free > will but for some > blessings in the chart. Esp. houses 5, 9 etc. > > Even then, there is no way we can always say that if > the person will > do remedy or not. The chart indicates that but not > surely tells. > > That is why I have seen that even in a good period, > I did wrong > remedies and got v bad results. > > The bottom line is that, destiny is always keeping > itself unclear and > unpredictable, even greatest astrologer's > predictions fail sometimes. > And the main thing is that, we'll suffer according > to the chart till > our couls remain stubborn. Peace / relief is only > possible when we > completely surrender on the God's will. > > That is, surely, indicated in the chart / part of > our destiny :-) > > Best wishes, > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > , Neeraj > Gupta > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > Dear Washdev Sharma, > > > > Sorry, but atleast I am not a jyotishi, I am just > a > > student of vedic astrology, a learner, a beginner, > > trying to learn, may be I will do good reading on > > charts one day. > > > > Actually, Tushar and me needs to worship Sri > Mahalaxmi > > (lord of UL, venus) to help us improve our > > relationship problems. Me and tushar are looking > for > > this. Kindly correct me Tushar, If I wrote > anything > > wrong about you. > > > > And Tanvir and other members are giving us their > vital > > support and knowledge sharing. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > --- Washdev Sharma <washdev_sharma> wrote: > > > Dear Jotisha's > > > what is the specific......mantra are you all > looking > > > for.as there are so many mantras to strengthen > > > various aspects of lifes with MAHA LAXMI's > > > mantras........ > > > let me know maybe I can be of help. > > > Or is it just a genral mantra?....../Sharma > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Take one more > > > > > > "Om Shrim Maha-Lakshamaaye Namah" > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > > > --- Tanvir <tanvir@s...> wrote: > > > > Another good mantra for Lakshmi is "Om > > > > Laxmi-naraayanaayaa Namah". > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury > > > > tanvir@s... > > > > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > > > > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Tushar > > > > > > > > Friday, July 25, 2003 2:25 PM > > > > Laxmi Mantra - Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > > > > > Is this the Laxmi Mantra you refered??? > > > > (Copied from your site) > > > > ----- > > > > Mantra for Lakshmi Devi > > > > Om Sri Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > Tushar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ > > > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > > design software > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Hello Everybody, I am a very new member of this group and really enjoying the "IDEA FLOW" among the group members. I would like to thank all of you for ur valuable time to keep ideas flowing across the group. Regarding the "Destiny, Astrology, Remedies" discussion, i would like to add something to what has already been told. Based upon my experiences and feelings: ======================================================= EVENTS, which haapen in one's life are the results of the following: 1. 50% PURUSHARTHA (OWN KARMA i.e Actions) 2. 50% BHAGYA (PAST KARMAs, which are analysed using different technologies called Astrology, Palmistry etc..etc..) THE first one is a matter of SELF MANAGEMENT. The more one can MANAGE oneself, the more he/she would be able to progress in life. How one progresses doesn't matter. What matters is PROGRESS. Finally, IT ALL DEPENDS UPON ONE'S PERCEPTION AND THE WAY IT IS INTERPRETED. This is the crux of everything. We should be able to feel this and words cannot explain better than feelings. ======================================================= Thank You All, Regards, OPMishra ===== With Best Regards, Om Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Hello, Always feel free to tell your opinion. We can hold different opinions that is no problem. The only problem begins when people push it to prove their point and trying to prove others false. Facing these uncourteous situation, I even left some list. Thanks God it does not hamper my learning even a little. If God is willing and I have honest intention, then my knowledge will grow. On the other hand if God is not willing, in no way I can be a good astrologer :-) Actually I know that free will and destiny, it is a matter of huge debate and controversory. Even the existance of astrology might be a topic of huge debate. But if someone tries to understand rather than debating, the conclusion becomes clear. If we think for a while then we can understand that believing in Vedic Astrology is against of beling in free will. It is possible in Western Astrology to believe in free will where predictions are mere possibilities where we can avoid them with simple effort. But in Vedic Astrology we always see how accurately and detailedly we can predict one's everything, started from nature and whatever he/she does and faces throughout his life. And most of all, this all could be predicted right at the time of his birth. Now when all the life's everything can be predicted right at the time of the birth, it explains what kind of free will we exercise / own throughout all our lives. Seeing the chart we can understand if the person is friendly, bad mannered, lusful, sincful, religious etc. etc., but this would never apply / be true if there was free will. Again, most of all, if we simply think for a while then we can understand that if we had any free will then no prediction would ever come true. Even though you are a student, but I guess you already know how predictions come true. Then think of any prediction and think, then you will see that if there is any free will, the prediction would happen otherwise. Might of someone's else "free will" worked there, but in a very planned way to make the entire thing happen as it was promised. If a person would not walk in the 'planned road' all life long, then a prediction which could be done up on his birth would not come true after long 40/45 years later. If we thing of any matter, we will find that each big matter consists of many small matters and if the small matters do not happen in a planned way, the big matter would not come true (As per the prediction) either. If a man has free will, how can we predict when he will marry. How can we predict if his marriage will break? How can KP system or even PD predict he will face an accident? Actually if we believe or see that predictions are coming true, then in no way we can talk about our so called free will. Well, we might have a free will, but that is unders trict control, or "controlled free will". We hate a rapist/murderer but even being astrologers we forget that his chart shows that he will rape/murder and he does that, also in an appropriate dasa and transit. Then, when we can predict that this 'new born baby' will commit a murder in his 40th year, and he really does so after 40 years, then it simple proves vedic Astrology true. On the other hand a big part we always overlook that if the person had any free will then he would not do that, also on the due time. Now even when we see that the person did NOT do that but his DESTINY made him do that, how come we still hate the person? How come we still call that he had a free will? >From our practical sense when we see a very worse situation, we can say that even a mudersome crime might happen here. But when a child is newborn and did not even start his life yet, how can we predict the murder he will commit after 35/40 of his life? His life is totally blank that time. here I am calling a new born baby since all the charts are cast with birth data so anything which can be predicted seeing the chart, can be predicted right at the time of his birth. So this is like a new born kid. Now the ques is, why we do not surrender to the God's will? I face this question from my friends when I discuss about this. And the answer is that, "That is my LIMITATION." Even after knowing that people have no free will, we hate the bad people. We involve in fights, accuse people. That is our own limitation, nothing else. And that IS the different between an enlightened person and us, he works as he understands, but we do understand but can not work accordingly, rather get involved in this material world of Maya. We can not deny the desire for power, position, material happiness, etc etc., thus even after understanding, we act like normal people. That is our limitation. Again, we can not act great/surrender to the nature because our charts do not say so. On the other hand, sages chart say that. You indeed will figure out great difference between our charts and enlighten person's charts, not so? Thus again it tells us the importance of destiny/karma. We do what our karma make us do. If we accept the basic principle of Sanatana Dharma then it is accepted that we come here to learn lessons, which are in the form of the incidents we face. So our life is actually a syllabus of learning. Now the syllabus must have to be planned. If we ourselves plan/create the syllabus, then it makes no sense, it can not happen. Syllanus is planned by the divinity. And now if we (Unconsciously) do not create our future in the planned way, then the syllabus is changed. That makes no sense. Example - One man has to learn something in life by facing an accidant/divorce, this is one of the lessons of his life. Now, if he has free will, he can easily avoid the divorce or accidant. Then it means - 1. vedic astrology could never predict any future 2. The person could alter what God wanted on him. God wanted to teach him something, but with his own power, he changed his syllabus, and out did the power of God. Gods wish on him simply failed. 3. He did some bad karma in previous life for what God wanted to face him divorce. But with his free will, he avoided it, so it means God could not punish him for what he did. If we had any free will, the karmic agents (planets) would never be able to impose the result of our karma on us by blessing/punishing us. We could do anything in life then. Some verses from Gita I have given on this account. If I am misinterpreting them, please correct me. "One who can see that all activities are performed by the body, which is created of material nature, and sees that the self does nothing, actually sees." "The spirit soul bewildered by the influence of false ego thinks himself the doer of activities that are in actuality carried out by the three modes of material nature." Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Tushar Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:54 PM Destiny, Astrology, Remedies etc. Dear Tanvir and members,I'm tempted to write something in responce to yourthis mail.On the path to finding truth many time we lost ourfocus and lost our path. Some time we return back tothe place from where we had started our journey. As aresult it confused us in between.>From my experience personally I believe that personshould follow only one theory. Either we should faithblindly on God, destiny etc. and accept whatever comesin our life and try to change ourself accordingly orwe should not give up search for solution. Howeverit's not easy I know. When troubles come in our lifenothing can make us happy and satisfied than thesolution. Inspiration, motivation etc. factors cangive some temporary relief and temporary enthusiasmbut it can not be permanent solution and it can neverbring us out of mental pain created by curcumstances.There is always difference between happiness andimagination of happiness. Our culture many time teachus to live in dreams and run away from realities. I dobelieve that each person who is intellectual andgifted little more vision and wisdom than common man,who is interested to do some work for the benifit ofhuman should try to work in result oriented approachinstead of discussing what he said and what she said. Why we can not study this as combination of science,maths,logic, statistics, analysis and art instead ofmaking it as subject of miracles, fear and blindbeliefs?This is my polite opinion and everybody has full rightto disagree with me.regards,Tushar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Hi Tanvir, I share your opinion on free will and destiny and I always try to avoid a debate on this subject, because people get really mad at you when you mention this. I observed that people desparately need the concept of free will for some reason, and do not allow anyone to speak otherwise. Which clearly shows how painful the subject is. Everything happens in accordance with the laws of nature and is posited in its rightful place. That is also true for me wearing an emerald. So I wonder why it was necessary for me to wear those gemstones for that periode, what was their effect in my life, what would have happened or not have happened if I had not been wearing them. You explained that Mercury is a neuter planet, strong in my chart, and emerald strengthend this, which would make me more neuter. The way I understand this: it makes me not so willing to engage in a relationship. This is the only reason I can find. A few months after start of wearing emerald there was an option for 3rd relation in my life (Ju/Ve/Ju, Ju=7L), but I kept out of it, because it would make me unhappy again, husband and children is a bad combination in my chart. And I really do feel blessed by not having a relation anymore. What is your opinion about this effect of the emerald? kind regards, Clara - Tanvir Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:25 PM Re: Destiny, Astrology, Remedies etc. Hello, Always feel free to tell your opinion. We can hold different opinions that is no problem. The only problem begins when people push it to prove their point and trying to prove others false. Facing these uncourteous situation, I even left some list. Thanks God it does not hamper my learning even a little. If God is willing and I have honest intention, then my knowledge will grow. On the other hand if God is not willing, in no way I can be a good astrologer :-) Actually I know that free will and destiny, it is a matter of huge debate and controversory. Even the existance of astrology might be a topic of huge debate. But if someone tries to understand rather than debating, the conclusion becomes clear. If we think for a while then we can understand that believing in Vedic Astrology is against of beling in free will. It is possible in Western Astrology to believe in free will where predictions are mere possibilities where we can avoid them with simple effort. But in Vedic Astrology we always see how accurately and detailedly we can predict one's everything, started from nature and whatever he/she does and faces throughout his life. And most of all, this all could be predicted right at the time of his birth. Now when all the life's everything can be predicted right at the time of the birth, it explains what kind of free will we exercise / own throughout all our lives. Seeing the chart we can understand if the person is friendly, bad mannered, lusful, sincful, religious etc. etc., but this would never apply / be true if there was free will. Again, most of all, if we simply think for a while then we can understand that if we had any free will then no prediction would ever come true. Even though you are a student, but I guess you already know how predictions come true. Then think of any prediction and think, then you will see that if there is any free will, the prediction would happen otherwise. Might of someone's else "free will" worked there, but in a very planned way to make the entire thing happen as it was promised. If a person would not walk in the 'planned road' all life long, then a prediction which could be done up on his birth would not come true after long 40/45 years later. If we thing of any matter, we will find that each big matter consists of many small matters and if the small matters do not happen in a planned way, the big matter would not come true (As per the prediction) either. If a man has free will, how can we predict when he will marry. How can we predict if his marriage will break? How can KP system or even PD predict he will face an accident? Actually if we believe or see that predictions are coming true, then in no way we can talk about our so called free will. Well, we might have a free will, but that is unders trict control, or "controlled free will". We hate a rapist/murderer but even being astrologers we forget that his chart shows that he will rape/murder and he does that, also in an appropriate dasa and transit. Then, when we can predict that this 'new born baby' will commit a murder in his 40th year, and he really does so after 40 years, then it simple proves vedic Astrology true. On the other hand a big part we always overlook that if the person had any free will then he would not do that, also on the due time. Now even when we see that the person did NOT do that but his DESTINY made him do that, how come we still hate the person? How come we still call that he had a free will? >From our practical sense when we see a very worse situation, we can say that even a mudersome crime might happen here. But when a child is newborn and did not even start his life yet, how can we predict the murder he will commit after 35/40 of his life? His life is totally blank that time. here I am calling a new born baby since all the charts are cast with birth data so anything which can be predicted seeing the chart, can be predicted right at the time of his birth. So this is like a new born kid. Now the ques is, why we do not surrender to the God's will? I face this question from my friends when I discuss about this. And the answer is that, "That is my LIMITATION." Even after knowing that people have no free will, we hate the bad people. We involve in fights, accuse people. That is our own limitation, nothing else. And that IS the different between an enlightened person and us, he works as he understands, but we do understand but can not work accordingly, rather get involved in this material world of Maya. We can not deny the desire for power, position, material happiness, etc etc., thus even after understanding, we act like normal people. That is our limitation. Again, we can not act great/surrender to the nature because our charts do not say so. On the other hand, sages chart say that. You indeed will figure out great difference between our charts and enlighten person's charts, not so? Thus again it tells us the importance of destiny/karma. We do what our karma make us do. If we accept the basic principle of Sanatana Dharma then it is accepted that we come here to learn lessons, which are in the form of the incidents we face. So our life is actually a syllabus of learning. Now the syllabus must have to be planned. If we ourselves plan/create the syllabus, then it makes no sense, it can not happen. Syllanus is planned by the divinity. And now if we (Unconsciously) do not create our future in the planned way, then the syllabus is changed. That makes no sense. Example - One man has to learn something in life by facing an accidant/divorce, this is one of the lessons of his life. Now, if he has free will, he can easily avoid the divorce or accidant. Then it means - 1. vedic astrology could never predict any future 2. The person could alter what God wanted on him. God wanted to teach him something, but with his own power, he changed his syllabus, and out did the power of God. Gods wish on him simply failed. 3. He did some bad karma in previous life for what God wanted to face him divorce. But with his free will, he avoided it, so it means God could not punish him for what he did. If we had any free will, the karmic agents (planets) would never be able to impose the result of our karma on us by blessing/punishing us. We could do anything in life then. Some verses from Gita I have given on this account. If I am misinterpreting them, please correct me. "One who can see that all activities are performed by the body, which is created of material nature, and sees that the self does nothing, actually sees." "The spirit soul bewildered by the influence of false ego thinks himself the doer of activities that are in actuality carried out by the three modes of material nature." Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Tushar Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:54 PM Destiny, Astrology, Remedies etc. Dear Tanvir and members,I'm tempted to write something in responce to yourthis mail.On the path to finding truth many time we lost ourfocus and lost our path. Some time we return back tothe place from where we had started our journey. As aresult it confused us in between.>From my experience personally I believe that personshould follow only one theory. Either we should faithblindly on God, destiny etc. and accept whatever comesin our life and try to change ourself accordingly orwe should not give up search for solution. Howeverit's not easy I know. When troubles come in our lifenothing can make us happy and satisfied than thesolution. Inspiration, motivation etc. factors cangive some temporary relief and temporary enthusiasmbut it can not be permanent solution and it can neverbring us out of mental pain created by curcumstances.There is always difference between happiness andimagination of happiness. Our culture many time teachus to live in dreams and run away from realities. I dobelieve that each person who is intellectual andgifted little more vision and wisdom than common man,who is interested to do some work for the benifit ofhuman should try to work in result oriented approachinstead of discussing what he said and what she said. Why we can not study this as combination of science,maths,logic, statistics, analysis and art instead ofmaking it as subject of miracles, fear and blindbeliefs?This is my polite opinion and everybody has full rightto disagree with me.regards,Tushar~! THE WORLD IS TOUGH, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Mercury, neuter etc. Well, though Mercury is a neuter planet, it will not really make you neuter since other matters and planets are involved. But yes in extreme case it may do so. Most of the cases it will make unhappy from children and married life if attached to 7H / 5H etc. My mom is sagittarius and has Mercury in 5th house, combust by Sun. Now Mercury in 5th house is bad and can give no children. But again, her exalted 9L (Sun) is also there. So Sun would give at least one child. True, she has only one child, that is me :-) Now Sun is a male planet and exalted. So, I am a male :-) And Sun gave her the child, it is clear seeing the chart. And that is proved because I was born when she was running SUN AD in 1982!!! :-))) But in next Merc AD, she was separated from me and could not even see me until the merc AD was over! She recently passed another Merc AD and throughout the AD, she was so tense about me for this and that, and I also could not visit her often for some time long, too! But since this AD is under Sun MD, it could not harm much. So see how neuter is working here :-) And so it is possible the emerald is making you away from relationships, since merc joins Ve and aspects 7th H. physical non-attachment to relationships is also possible since merc is asc lord placed in asc. I am also a Virgo and deep green clothes and peridot sometimes gives me trouble about relationship, but sometimes it does not. Same peridot I wear once, it gives immediate problems. I take it off, wear some days later, it does not do any harm to relationship. Same about deep green clothes... Sometimes even with deep green clothes, the troubles on relationship were too much to tolerate. Colours work tremendous for me, God knows why. That is why though emerald be good for your skin, health and career, for love and progenic happiness, I do not suggest it. Because if the emerald discourages you not to have a relationship, it is not a good solution. And in this kind of 'Solution', you must face the bad side of it in the later part of life. Destiny, remedy etc. - my opinion It is true, and very natural for people that no one would like to hear about 'No free will'. Because when we think of free will we get some hope that we might do remedy or realistic effort to overcome sufferings. But 'No free will' concept makes us dissapoint. A greek story describes how 'Hope' helps people live, and if there was no hope, there was no inspiration to live... That is why 'No free will' theory is indeed painful. But many of the burning truth are painful actually. I have a lot of first hand experience with mantras, charity and stones etc., and trust me, each time something good or bad happens for the remedies, I clearly understand that it happened only for the remedies, but with other considerations I understand that 'The event' (that happened for remedy) should have to happen in this condition of life, and each and everytime it becomes clear that the fact that I would do the remedy was fixed / pre planned by the nature. It always does work... :-((( A 'silly' example would be that, two plus two always make four, like 2+2=4. But sometimes, to balance things / match things with other events, sometimes nature make that 2+2=5! And then to correct the equation, the nature MAKE YOU add a '1' so that the equation becomes 2+2 (+1) =5. Now we always think that 'WE' added this extra 1, but actually nature has to make the result 5, so it makes us add another 1. But since we always see only the horoscope ("2+2") and do not surely know the future, ("5"), we think that we do the remedy ("1"). But it is not really the truth. But since only a real few people do the remedy ("1"), the future is always equal to the horoschope (2+2=4). It has to be remembered that since planets control our nature, talent, ability, and the events around us, unless they allow, we can never do any remedy. We know astrology, we know the remedy, but being under their influence. Gem, ritual, yajna, mantra, all these things are showed by the charts, by different houses. So we can say "The person will be well versed in Mantras". So we can understand that the person is not doing mantras (A form of remedy) from his own but his destiny is making him do that. Again, we know that the happenings we face are the results of our previous action (punishment/reward) and if we could avoid this by free will, it would simply mean that we can overcome the God's will/plan on us by avoiding his punishment. Which is simply impossible. Well, I am stretching it too long. Sorry :-) Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Clara Friday, August 01, 2003 4:23 PM Re: Destiny, Astrology, Remedies etc. Hi Tanvir, I share your opinion on free will and destiny and I always try to avoid a debate on this subject, because people get really mad at you when you mention this. I observed that people desparately need the concept of free will for some reason, and do not allow anyone to speak otherwise. Which clearly shows how painful the subject is. Everything happens in accordance with the laws of nature and is posited in its rightful place. That is also true for me wearing an emerald. So I wonder why it was necessary for me to wear those gemstones for that periode, what was their effect in my life, what would have happened or not have happened if I had not been wearing them. You explained that Mercury is a neuter planet, strong in my chart, and emerald strengthend this, which would make me more neuter. The way I understand this: it makes me not so willing to engage in a relationship. This is the only reason I can find. A few months after start of wearing emerald there was an option for 3rd relation in my life (Ju/Ve/Ju, Ju=7L), but I kept out of it, because it would make me unhappy again, husband and children is a bad combination in my chart. And I really do feel blessed by not having a relation anymore. What is your opinion about this effect of the emerald? kind regards, Clara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Dear Tanvir, By thinking this over, maybe there is a better way to describe neuter of Mercury as I understand it: Relations are ruled by planets Venus (love from the heart) and Mars (sexual desire). Now Mercury is the rational mind which is overruled mostly in relationmatters by the feelings produced by Venus and Mars. Mercury can logically come to a conclusion that a particular relation will not be very beneficial for myself and my kids. But in order to stay out of that relation it has to be very powerful, because it has to overrule the desires for love from Venus and Mars at that particular time. And believe me, it was truly the right thing to do at that time. Life with the kids has calmed down since somewhat, because they are growing older, taking over responsibility for their own lives, although 3 out of 4 still live with me. A rajayoga in a chart shows that action and opportunity meet. And this is always so in my life. When certain action is needed, the opportunity is presenting itself in a very spontaneous way and I know from inside that I must follow the lead. When I joined the meeting that evening, where a pandit would give a lecture about astrologie and offer the opportunity for consult, I was nowhere near the idea that I would do such a thing, too expensive. For me it was just a pleasant evening with my friends. In fact the lecture was not very interesting at all. But before the pandit started the lecture he recited something, I have no idea what, with a beautiful and deep voice, which had an enormous effect on me, the sound resonated in my body and maybe even into my soul or something like that. And this is where it all started from as for upayas. I like your "silly" example very much. kind regards, Clara - Tanvir Jyotish Remedies Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:50 AM Re: Destiny, Astrology, Remedies etc. Mercury, neuter etc. Well, though Mercury is a neuter planet, it will not really make you neuter since other matters and planets are involved. But yes in extreme case it may do so. Most of the cases it will make unhappy from children and married life if attached to 7H / 5H etc. My mom is sagittarius and has Mercury in 5th house, combust by Sun. Now Mercury in 5th house is bad and can give no children. But again, her exalted 9L (Sun) is also there. So Sun would give at least one child. True, she has only one child, that is me :-) Now Sun is a male planet and exalted. So, I am a male :-) And Sun gave her the child, it is clear seeing the chart. And that is proved because I was born when she was running SUN AD in 1982!!! :-))) But in next Merc AD, she was separated from me and could not even see me until the merc AD was over! She recently passed another Merc AD and throughout the AD, she was so tense about me for this and that, and I also could not visit her often for some time long, too! But since this AD is under Sun MD, it could not harm much. So see how neuter is working here :-) And so it is possible the emerald is making you away from relationships, since merc joins Ve and aspects 7th H. physical non-attachment to relationships is also possible since merc is asc lord placed in asc. I am also a Virgo and deep green clothes and peridot sometimes gives me trouble about relationship, but sometimes it does not. Same peridot I wear once, it gives immediate problems. I take it off, wear some days later, it does not do any harm to relationship. Same about deep green clothes... Sometimes even with deep green clothes, the troubles on relationship were too much to tolerate. Colours work tremendous for me, God knows why. That is why though emerald be good for your skin, health and career, for love and progenic happiness, I do not suggest it. Because if the emerald discourages you not to have a relationship, it is not a good solution. And in this kind of 'Solution', you must face the bad side of it in the later part of life. Destiny, remedy etc. - my opinion It is true, and very natural for people that no one would like to hear about 'No free will'. Because when we think of free will we get some hope that we might do remedy or realistic effort to overcome sufferings. But 'No free will' concept makes us dissapoint. A greek story describes how 'Hope' helps people live, and if there was no hope, there was no inspiration to live... That is why 'No free will' theory is indeed painful. But many of the burning truth are painful actually. I have a lot of first hand experience with mantras, charity and stones etc., and trust me, each time something good or bad happens for the remedies, I clearly understand that it happened only for the remedies, but with other considerations I understand that 'The event' (that happened for remedy) should have to happen in this condition of life, and each and everytime it becomes clear that the fact that I would do the remedy was fixed / pre planned by the nature. It always does work... :-((( A 'silly' example would be that, two plus two always make four, like 2+2=4. But sometimes, to balance things / match things with other events, sometimes nature make that 2+2=5! And then to correct the equation, the nature MAKE YOU add a '1' so that the equation becomes 2+2 (+1) =5. Now we always think that 'WE' added this extra 1, but actually nature has to make the result 5, so it makes us add another 1. But since we always see only the horoscope ("2+2") and do not surely know the future, ("5"), we think that we do the remedy ("1"). But it is not really the truth. But since only a real few people do the remedy ("1"), the future is always equal to the horoschope (2+2=4). It has to be remembered that since planets control our nature, talent, ability, and the events around us, unless they allow, we can never do any remedy. We know astrology, we know the remedy, but being under their influence. Gem, ritual, yajna, mantra, all these things are showed by the charts, by different houses. So we can say "The person will be well versed in Mantras". So we can understand that the person is not doing mantras (A form of remedy) from his own but his destiny is making him do that. Again, we know that the happenings we face are the results of our previous action (punishment/reward) and if we could avoid this by free will, it would simply mean that we can overcome the God's will/plan on us by avoiding his punishment. Which is simply impossible. Well, I am stretching it too long. Sorry :-) Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Clara Friday, August 01, 2003 4:23 PM Re: Destiny, Astrology, Remedies etc. Hi Tanvir, I share your opinion on free will and destiny and I always try to avoid a debate on this subject, because people get really mad at you when you mention this. I observed that people desparately need the concept of free will for some reason, and do not allow anyone to speak otherwise. Which clearly shows how painful the subject is. Everything happens in accordance with the laws of nature and is posited in its rightful place. That is also true for me wearing an emerald. So I wonder why it was necessary for me to wear those gemstones for that periode, what was their effect in my life, what would have happened or not have happened if I had not been wearing them. You explained that Mercury is a neuter planet, strong in my chart, and emerald strengthend this, which would make me more neuter. The way I understand this: it makes me not so willing to engage in a relationship. This is the only reason I can find. A few months after start of wearing emerald there was an option for 3rd relation in my life (Ju/Ve/Ju, Ju=7L), but I kept out of it, because it would make me unhappy again, husband and children is a bad combination in my chart. And I really do feel blessed by not having a relation anymore. What is your opinion about this effect of the emerald? kind regards, Clara ~! 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Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Salam. I think, your understanding about this is correct. In love matters, Venus and Moon is totally emotional and romantic - both of them can be lustful, too. I sometimes feel that difference between them in this manner might be hard to see. Well even then, Moon is little "light" or "artistic" in this matter while Ve is more deep and passionate. Mercury is logical, he will think with logic. He is also childish so Merc joining Ve means he will do a lot of funny and childish things in love. Mars is actually a planet of libido. He is actually a planet of illegal, immoral and sick kind of sex. On the other hand Saturn is cold, logical and sometimes even mean about these matters. Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Clara Monday, August 04, 2003 6:22 PM Re: Destiny, Astrology, Remedies etc. Dear Tanvir, By thinking this over, maybe there is a better way to describe neuter of Mercury as I understand it: Relations are ruled by planets Venus (love from the heart) and Mars (sexual desire). Now Mercury is the rational mind which is overruled mostly in relationmatters by the feelings produced by Venus and Mars. Mercury can logically come to a conclusion that a particular relation will not be very beneficial for myself and my kids. But in order to stay out of that relation it has to be very powerful, because it has to overrule the desires for love from Venus and Mars at that particular time. And believe me, it was truly the right thing to do at that time. Life with the kids has calmed down since somewhat, because they are growing older, taking over responsibility for their own lives, although 3 out of 4 still live with me. A rajayoga in a chart shows that action and opportunity meet. And this is always so in my life. When certain action is needed, the opportunity is presenting itself in a very spontaneous way and I know from inside that I must follow the lead. When I joined the meeting that evening, where a pandit would give a lecture about astrologie and offer the opportunity for consult, I was nowhere near the idea that I would do such a thing, too expensive. For me it was just a pleasant evening with my friends. In fact the lecture was not very interesting at all. But before the pandit started the lecture he recited something, I have no idea what, with a beautiful and deep voice, which had an enormous effect on me, the sound resonated in my body and maybe even into my soul or something like that. And this is where it all started from as for upayas. I like your "silly" example very much. kind regards, Clara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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